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| Started by | Otto Pylot <otto@bogus.address.com> |
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| First post | 2013-12-28 09:21 -0800 |
| Last post | 2013-12-29 14:45 -0800 |
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External HD Recommendation Otto Pylot <otto@bogus.address.com> - 2013-12-28 09:21 -0800
Re: External HD Recommendation William Hanna <whanna@invalid.invalid> - 2013-12-28 09:44 -0800
Re: External HD Recommendation Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> - 2013-12-29 09:37 -0800
Re: External HD Recommendation Otto Pylot <otto@bogus.address.com> - 2013-12-29 10:08 -0800
Re: External HD Recommendation android <here@there.was> - 2013-12-29 19:15 +0100
Re: External HD Recommendation billy@MIX.COM - 2013-12-28 20:21 +0000
Re: External HD Recommendation Michael Vilain <vilain@NOspamcop.net> - 2013-12-28 14:59 -0800
Re: External HD Recommendation Otto Pylot <otto@bogus.address.com> - 2013-12-28 15:28 -0800
Re: External HD Recommendation nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2013-12-28 20:17 -0500
Re: External HD Recommendation Michael Vilain <vilain@NOspamcop.net> - 2013-12-28 17:34 -0800
Re: External HD Recommendation nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2013-12-28 21:06 -0500
Re: External HD Recommendation Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2013-12-29 04:18 +0000
Re: External HD Recommendation Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-12-30 04:38 +0000
Re: External HD Recommendation Otto Pylot <otto@bogus.address.com> - 2013-12-29 21:36 -0800
Re: External HD Recommendation Michael Vilain <vilain@NOspamcop.net> - 2013-12-30 01:58 -0800
Re: External HD Recommendation J Burns <burns4@nowhere.com> - 2013-12-30 10:20 -0500
Re: External HD Recommendation Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> - 2013-12-31 07:32 -0800
Re: External HD Recommendation J Burns <burns4@nowhere.com> - 2013-12-31 11:46 -0500
Re: External HD Recommendation Bread <BreadWithSpam@Fractious.net> - 2013-12-30 09:37 -0800
Re: External HD Recommendation Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-12-30 18:07 +0000
Re: External HD Recommendation nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2013-12-30 13:13 -0500
Re: External HD Recommendation Bread <BreadWithSpam@Fractious.net> - 2013-12-30 10:27 -0800
Re: External HD Recommendation J Burns <burns4@nowhere.com> - 2013-12-30 14:15 -0500
Re: External HD Recommendation Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-12-30 22:43 +0000
Re: External HD Recommendation nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2013-12-30 18:09 -0500
Re: External HD Recommendation J Burns <burns4@nowhere.com> - 2013-12-30 22:34 -0500
Re: External HD Recommendation TaliesinSoft <taliesinsoft@me.com> - 2013-12-30 13:54 -0600
Re: External HD Recommendation Otto Pylot <otto@bogus.address.com> - 2013-12-30 13:14 -0800
Re: External HD Recommendation Bread <BreadWithSpam@Fractious.net> - 2013-12-30 14:49 -0800
Re: External HD Recommendation Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-12-30 18:01 +0000
Re: External HD Recommendation Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2013-12-29 03:59 +0000
Re: External HD Recommendation George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> - 2013-12-29 07:47 -0600
Re: External HD Recommendation J Burns <burns4@nowhere.com> - 2013-12-28 17:52 -0500
Re: External HD Recommendation Earl Grey <earl@t.net> - 2013-12-29 10:06 -0500
Re: External HD Recommendation yellow label <here@there.was> - 2013-12-29 17:01 +0100
Re: External HD Recommendation John Albert <j.albert@snet.net> - 2013-12-29 16:27 -0500
Re: External HD Recommendation J Burns <burns4@nowhere.com> - 2013-12-29 21:29 -0500
Re: External HD Recommendation claudel@sonic.net (Claude V. Lucas) - 2013-12-30 12:36 +0000
Re: External HD Recommendation TaliesinSoft <taliesinsoft@me.com> - 2013-12-30 08:55 -0600
Re: External HD Recommendation John Albert <j.albert@snet.net> - 2013-12-30 10:29 -0500
Re: External HD Recommendation Martin Frost me at invalid stanford daht edu <nospam@stanford.edu.invalid> - 2013-12-30 19:56 -0800
Re: External HD Recommendation Barry OGrady <atheist@hotmail.com.au> - 2013-12-31 19:18 +1100
Re: External HD Recommendation Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-12-31 15:30 +0000
Re: External HD Recommendation Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> - 2013-12-31 07:34 -0800
Re: External HD Recommendation Barry OGrady <atheist@hotmail.com.au> - 2014-01-01 17:51 +1100
Re: External HD Recommendation TaliesinSoft <taliesinsoft@me.com> - 2014-01-01 10:14 -0600
Re: External HD Recommendation Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-01-01 17:39 +0000
Re: External HD Recommendation Barry OGrady <atheist@hotmail.com.au> - 2014-01-02 11:54 +1100
Re: External HD Recommendation Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-01-02 01:09 +0000
Re: External HD Recommendation Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-01-01 20:38 -0700
Re: External HD Recommendation Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-01-02 16:47 +0000
Re: External HD Recommendation Barry OGrady <atheist@hotmail.com.au> - 2014-01-09 08:13 +1100
Re: External HD Recommendation Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-01-08 21:19 +0000
Re: External HD Recommendation Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-01-02 02:35 +0000
Re: External HD Recommendation Barry OGrady <atheist@hotmail.com.au> - 2014-01-01 17:47 +1100
Re: External HD Recommendation nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-01-01 02:24 -0500
Re: External HD Recommendation Barry OGrady <atheist@hotmail.com.au> - 2014-01-02 02:38 +1100
Re: External HD Recommendation nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-01-01 11:55 -0500
Re: External HD Recommendation J Burns <burns4@nowhere.com> - 2014-01-01 13:34 -0500
Re: External HD Recommendation Leonard Blaisdell <leoblaisdell@sbcglobal.net> - 2014-01-01 19:01 -0800
Re: External HD Recommendation Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-01-01 09:45 +0000
Re: External HD Recommendation Barry OGrady <atheist@hotmail.com.au> - 2014-01-02 02:28 +1100
Re: External HD Recommendation Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-01-01 15:36 +0000
Re: External HD Recommendation nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-01-01 11:55 -0500
Re: External HD Recommendation TaliesinSoft <taliesinsoft@me.com> - 2013-12-29 16:00 -0600
Re: External HD Recommendation Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2013-12-29 22:01 +0000
Re: External HD Recommendation TaliesinSoft <taliesinsoft@me.com> - 2013-12-29 16:19 -0600
Re: External HD Recommendation Otto Pylot <otto@bogus.address.com> - 2013-12-29 14:45 -0800
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| From | Otto Pylot <otto@bogus.address.com> |
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| Date | 2013-12-28 09:21 -0800 |
| Subject | External HD Recommendation |
| Message-ID | <281220130921464151%otto@bogus.address.com> |
Ok, it's a new subject related to my previous question about backing up to a bootable external. With the exception of the WD My Passport Slim, what would you all recommend for an external HD? Needs are simple, just backing up my HD before installation of Mavericks, probably backed up with CCC, and then the occasional back up. The drive needs to be bootable and the capacity could be as low as 500GB. I'd also like to keep the cost at $100 or lower. The primary laptop is a mid-2011 MacBook Air. Thanks. -- Deja Moo: I've seen this bullshit before. Please respond to: scasse@invalid.net replacing invalid with sonic.
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| From | William Hanna <whanna@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2013-12-28 09:44 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <281220130944225582%whanna@invalid.invalid> |
| In reply to | #53946 |
In article <281220130921464151%otto@bogus.address.com>, Otto Pylot <otto@bogus.address.com> wrote: > Ok, it's a new subject related to my previous question about backing up > to a bootable external. With the exception of the WD My Passport Slim, > what would you all recommend for an external HD? Needs are simple, just > backing up my HD before installation of Mavericks, probably backed up > with CCC, and then the occasional back up. The drive needs to be > bootable and the capacity could be as low as 500GB. I'd also like to > keep the cost at $100 or lower. The primary laptop is a mid-2011 > MacBook Air. Thanks. i've had good luck with Seagate drives. it will be easy finding 1 TB drives for $100. i just bought four 4 TB Seagate Backup Plus HDs for $150 each, to replace all the 1 and 2 TB HDs cluttering up my desk.
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| From | Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> |
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| Date | 2013-12-29 09:37 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <aPmdnU73WNFtwF3PnZ2dnUVZ_oydnZ2d@earthlink.com> |
| In reply to | #53949 |
On 12/28/2013 9:44 AM PT, William Hanna typed:
> i've had good luck with Seagate drives.
>
> it will be easy finding 1 TB drives for $100.
>
> i just bought four 4 TB Seagate Backup Plus HDs for $150 each, to
> replace all the 1 and 2 TB HDs cluttering up my desk.
You missed USB3 external 1 TB Seagate HDDs for $59.00 yesterday in Fry's
Electronic stores yesterday. :(
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| From | Otto Pylot <otto@bogus.address.com> |
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| Date | 2013-12-29 10:08 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <291220131008384888%otto@bogus.address.com> |
| In reply to | #54011 |
In article <aPmdnU73WNFtwF3PnZ2dnUVZ_oydnZ2d@earthlink.com>, Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> wrote: > On 12/28/2013 9:44 AM PT, William Hanna typed: > > > i've had good luck with Seagate drives. > > > > it will be easy finding 1 TB drives for $100. > > > > i just bought four 4 TB Seagate Backup Plus HDs for $150 each, to > > replace all the 1 and 2 TB HDs cluttering up my desk. > > You missed USB3 external 1 TB Seagate HDDs for $59.00 yesterday in Fry's > Electronic stores yesterday. :( Thanks for all of your input. Didn't realize that HD choice could be such a touchy subject. Yes, I know not to use any bundled software that comes with the drives and to reformat it with Disk Utility I was just looking for recommendations based on experience (certainly got those). I was going to go to Fry's yesterday but got off track. Buying at Fry's is always a carp shoot unless you know how to buy at Fry's. Once burned, twice shy. Found out yesterday that my bro-in-law has a couple of WD "book end" drives. That's the wrong term I know but they do look like books so he may wipe one and give it to me. We'll see. -- Deja Moo: I've seen this bullshit before. Please respond to: scasse@invalid.net replacing invalid with sonic.
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| From | android <here@there.was> |
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| Date | 2013-12-29 19:15 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <bib76pFpr71U1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #54012 |
In article <291220131008384888%otto@bogus.address.com>, Otto Pylot <otto@bogus.address.com> wrote: > In article <aPmdnU73WNFtwF3PnZ2dnUVZ_oydnZ2d@earthlink.com>, Ant > <ant@zimage.comANT> wrote: > > > On 12/28/2013 9:44 AM PT, William Hanna typed: > > > > > i've had good luck with Seagate drives. > > > > > > it will be easy finding 1 TB drives for $100. > > > > > > i just bought four 4 TB Seagate Backup Plus HDs for $150 each, to > > > replace all the 1 and 2 TB HDs cluttering up my desk. > > > > You missed USB3 external 1 TB Seagate HDDs for $59.00 yesterday in Fry's > > Electronic stores yesterday. :( > > Thanks for all of your input. Didn't realize that HD choice could be > such a touchy subject. Yes, I know not to use any bundled software that > comes with the drives and to reformat it with Disk Utility I was just > looking for recommendations based on experience (certainly got those). > > I was going to go to Fry's yesterday but got off track. Buying at Fry's > is always a carp shoot unless you know how to buy at Fry's. Once > burned, twice shy. Found out yesterday that my bro-in-law has a couple > of WD "book end" drives. That's the wrong term I know but they do look > like books so he may wipe one and give it to me. We'll see. I'f you only need it for that upgrade then you don't need to own it do you? Your bro can lend it to you and get it back! -- teleportation kills
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| From | billy@MIX.COM |
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| Date | 2013-12-28 20:21 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <l9nbrf$qqu$1@reader2.panix.com> |
| In reply to | #53946 |
Otto Pylot <otto@bogus.address.com> writes:
> Ok, it's a new subject related to my previous question about backing up
> to a bootable external. With the exception of the WD My Passport Slim,
> what would you all recommend for an external HD?
I really like these (just bought my 7th one) -
http://eshop.macsales.com/shop/firewire/on-the-go
They have a large heatsink (hard to see in the photos) for the drive
that works very well. These used to be supplied with Seagate drives
but now come mostly with Hitachi drives, which also seem to be ok,
but it'll be a while longer before I can say that for sure.
Billy Y..
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| From | Michael Vilain <vilain@NOspamcop.net> |
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| Date | 2013-12-28 14:59 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <vilain-E2F745.14592728122013@news.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #53960 |
In article <l9nbrf$qqu$1@reader2.panix.com>, billy@MIX.COM wrote: > Otto Pylot <otto@bogus.address.com> writes: > > > Ok, it's a new subject related to my previous question about backing up > > to a bootable external. With the exception of the WD My Passport Slim, > > what would you all recommend for an external HD? > > I really like these (just bought my 7th one) - > > http://eshop.macsales.com/shop/firewire/on-the-go > > They have a large heatsink (hard to see in the photos) for the drive > that works very well. These used to be supplied with Seagate drives > but now come mostly with Hitachi drives, which also seem to be ok, > but it'll be a while longer before I can say that for sure. > > Billy Y.. Seagates and Western Digital drives have caused me nothing but trouble. I bought a 1GB Seagate and it died within a week of doing a full clone backup. Took it back to Frys and they wouldn't take it back because I didn't buy their extended warrantee. I had to send it back to Seagate. 6 weeks later after dealing with UPS, I get the replacement that had the same problem. I tossed the drive and won't buy Seagate ever again. 3 WDs were DOA on getting them home from Frys and I won't ever get something from them again either. Hitachi or Toshiba drives seem OK. You missed all the Christmas disk drive deals on Lifehacker, but you can still keep an eye out http://lifehacker.com/tag/dealhacker Meanwhile, Toshiba's Canvio USB3 drive is self-powered. $60 for 1GB. http://www.amazon.com/Toshiba-Canvio-Basics-Portable-Drive/dp/B005J7YBRW -- DeeDee, don't press that button! DeeDee! NO! Dee... [I filter all Goggle Groups posts, so any reply may be automatically ignored]
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| From | Otto Pylot <otto@bogus.address.com> |
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| Date | 2013-12-28 15:28 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <281220131528132066%otto@bogus.address.com> |
| In reply to | #53981 |
In article <vilain-E2F745.14592728122013@news.individual.net>, Michael Vilain <vilain@NOspamcop.net> wrote: > In article <l9nbrf$qqu$1@reader2.panix.com>, billy@MIX.COM wrote: > > > Otto Pylot <otto@bogus.address.com> writes: > > > > > Ok, it's a new subject related to my previous question about backing up > > > to a bootable external. With the exception of the WD My Passport Slim, > > > what would you all recommend for an external HD? > > > > I really like these (just bought my 7th one) - > > > > http://eshop.macsales.com/shop/firewire/on-the-go > > > > They have a large heatsink (hard to see in the photos) for the drive > > that works very well. These used to be supplied with Seagate drives > > but now come mostly with Hitachi drives, which also seem to be ok, > > but it'll be a while longer before I can say that for sure. > > > > Billy Y.. > > Seagates and Western Digital drives have caused me nothing but trouble. > I bought a 1GB Seagate and it died within a week of doing a full clone > backup. Took it back to Frys and they wouldn't take it back because I > didn't buy their extended warrantee. I had to send it back to Seagate. > 6 weeks later after dealing with UPS, I get the replacement that had the > same problem. I tossed the drive and won't buy Seagate ever again. > > 3 WDs were DOA on getting them home from Frys and I won't ever get > something from them again either. > > Hitachi or Toshiba drives seem OK. You missed all the Christmas disk > drive deals on Lifehacker, but you can still keep an eye out > > http://lifehacker.com/tag/dealhacker > > Meanwhile, Toshiba's Canvio USB3 drive is self-powered. $60 for 1GB. > > http://www.amazon.com/Toshiba-Canvio-Basics-Portable-Drive/dp/B005J7YBRW According to the Amazon page you can't back up the OS (I'm assuming it is Mac compatible) so using it as an emergency boot drive for my MacBook Air won't work. -- Deja Moo: I've seen this bullshit before. Please respond to: scasse@invalid.net replacing invalid with sonic.
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| From | nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> |
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| Date | 2013-12-28 20:17 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <281220132017504342%nospam@nospam.invalid> |
| In reply to | #53985 |
In article <281220131528132066%otto@bogus.address.com>, Otto Pylot <otto@bogus.address.com> wrote: > > Meanwhile, Toshiba's Canvio USB3 drive is self-powered. $60 for 1GB. > > > > http://www.amazon.com/Toshiba-Canvio-Basics-Portable-Drive/dp/B005J7YBRW > > According to the Amazon page you can't back up the OS (I'm assuming it > is Mac compatible) so using it as an emergency boot drive for my > MacBook Air won't work. of course you can back up the os and you definitely can use it to boot. maybe whatever piece of shit backup software is included can't backup the os, but if that's the case, then it's even more of a piece of shit than i thought. all mass storage compliant usb/firewire hard drives (i.e., all of them) are mac compatible. plug them in and they work. where the 'compatibility' comes in is with the crappy bundled software and whatever disk format it has out of the box. don't bother with the bundled software and reformat it however you want. as for which hard drive to buy, it makes almost no difference. everyone will have a horror story about every hard drive maker, while others will praise the very same ones. like everything, nothing is perfect and it's possible whatever you get will fail prematurely, but chances are it won't. the drive companies would not be in business for very long if they shipped crap. there are bad batches every so often, but that's what the warranties are for. since it's a backup drive, you have the original data on another drive. what you need to protect against is *both* the backup *and* the main drive failing at the same time. that means having more than one backup, with one offsite. the chances of that are low, but it can still happen.
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| From | Michael Vilain <vilain@NOspamcop.net> |
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| Date | 2013-12-28 17:34 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <vilain-D60D6E.17345528122013@news.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #53985 |
In article <281220131528132066%otto@bogus.address.com>, Otto Pylot <otto@bogus.address.com> wrote: > In article <vilain-E2F745.14592728122013@news.individual.net>, Michael > Vilain <vilain@NOspamcop.net> wrote: > > > In article <l9nbrf$qqu$1@reader2.panix.com>, billy@MIX.COM wrote: > > > > > Otto Pylot <otto@bogus.address.com> writes: > > > > > > > Ok, it's a new subject related to my previous question about backing up > > > > to a bootable external. With the exception of the WD My Passport Slim, > > > > what would you all recommend for an external HD? > > > > > > I really like these (just bought my 7th one) - > > > > > > http://eshop.macsales.com/shop/firewire/on-the-go > > > > > > They have a large heatsink (hard to see in the photos) for the drive > > > that works very well. These used to be supplied with Seagate drives > > > but now come mostly with Hitachi drives, which also seem to be ok, > > > but it'll be a while longer before I can say that for sure. > > > > > > Billy Y.. > > > > Seagates and Western Digital drives have caused me nothing but trouble. > > I bought a 1GB Seagate and it died within a week of doing a full clone > > backup. Took it back to Frys and they wouldn't take it back because I > > didn't buy their extended warrantee. I had to send it back to Seagate. > > 6 weeks later after dealing with UPS, I get the replacement that had the > > same problem. I tossed the drive and won't buy Seagate ever again. > > > > 3 WDs were DOA on getting them home from Frys and I won't ever get > > something from them again either. > > > > Hitachi or Toshiba drives seem OK. You missed all the Christmas disk > > drive deals on Lifehacker, but you can still keep an eye out > > > > http://lifehacker.com/tag/dealhacker > > > > Meanwhile, Toshiba's Canvio USB3 drive is self-powered. $60 for 1GB. > > > > http://www.amazon.com/Toshiba-Canvio-Basics-Portable-Drive/dp/B005J7YBRW > > According to the Amazon page you can't back up the OS (I'm assuming it > is Mac compatible) so using it as an emergency boot drive for my > MacBook Air won't work. I don't know where you read that, but it's not true for this drive. I did it on my MacBook Pro before I found the 3TB model for less money. It's your call on if you want to trust that statement, but the drive was visible from the available boot devices after I cloned my 10.8 system to it with SuperDuper. http://www.wikihow.com/Boot-a-Mac-from-USB-Drive Why don't you continue your search on your own and let us know what you end up with? -- DeeDee, don't press that button! DeeDee! NO! Dee... [I filter all Goggle Groups posts, so any reply may be automatically ignored]
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| From | nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> |
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| Date | 2013-12-28 21:06 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <281220132106339700%nospam@nospam.invalid> |
| In reply to | #53991 |
In article <vilain-D60D6E.17345528122013@news.individual.net>, Michael Vilain <vilain@NOspamcop.net> wrote: > > > Meanwhile, Toshiba's Canvio USB3 drive is self-powered. $60 for 1GB. > > > > > > http://www.amazon.com/Toshiba-Canvio-Basics-Portable-Drive/dp/B005J7YBRW > > > > According to the Amazon page you can't back up the OS (I'm assuming it > > is Mac compatible) so using it as an emergency boot drive for my > > MacBook Air won't work. > > I don't know where you read that, it was one of the questions/answers on the linked page. > but it's not true for this drive. it's not true for any drive. it's possible that the included software might not support it (and a ridiculous limitation if true), but the included software can (and should) be discarded.
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| From | Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> |
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| Date | 2013-12-29 04:18 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <bi9m5hFflh8U2@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #53981 |
On 2013-12-28, Michael Vilain <vilain@NOspamcop.net> wrote: > In article <l9nbrf$qqu$1@reader2.panix.com>, billy@MIX.COM wrote: > >> Otto Pylot <otto@bogus.address.com> writes: >> >> > Ok, it's a new subject related to my previous question about backing up >> > to a bootable external. With the exception of the WD My Passport Slim, >> > what would you all recommend for an external HD? >> >> I really like these (just bought my 7th one) - >> >> http://eshop.macsales.com/shop/firewire/on-the-go >> >> They have a large heatsink (hard to see in the photos) for the drive >> that works very well. These used to be supplied with Seagate drives >> but now come mostly with Hitachi drives, which also seem to be ok, >> but it'll be a while longer before I can say that for sure. >> >> Billy Y.. > > Seagates and Western Digital drives have caused me nothing but trouble. > I bought a 1GB Seagate and it died within a week of doing a full clone > backup. Took it back to Frys and they wouldn't take it back because I > didn't buy their extended warrantee. I had to send it back to Seagate. > 6 weeks later after dealing with UPS, I get the replacement that had the > same problem. I tossed the drive and won't buy Seagate ever again. Seriously? LOL... If I spent ~$100 on a hard drive and it was defective and under warranty, I wouldn't just throw it into the garbage - even if the drive was a replacement itself. That's effectively throwing away good money for nothing. I actually have sent one or two Seagate drives in for replacement several times in the past few years, and while it's naturally somewhat of an inconvenience to remove a drive, package it up for shipping, print out a prepaid shipping label, and send the drive back to the manufacturer (which, BTW, took a week or so max - not 6 weeks as you suggest), it's certainly not such a hassle that I would consider it worth all that money to avoid doing it. And I'm also not living in some strange utopian magical hard drive dream world where it is impossible to get a defective drive, because I am well aware of the realities of consumer hard drives today. All hard drives fail - it's just a matter of when, and I have yet to see a consumer hard drive manufacturer that never ever ships a defective drive. -- E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my ravenous SPAM filter. I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead. JR
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| From | Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> |
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| Date | 2013-12-30 04:38 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <slrnlc1u6b.c4g.g.kreme@amelia.local> |
| In reply to | #53981 |
In message <vilain-E2F745.14592728122013@news.individual.net> Michael Vilain <vilain@NOspamcop.net> wrote: > In article <l9nbrf$qqu$1@reader2.panix.com>, billy@MIX.COM wrote: >> Otto Pylot <otto@bogus.address.com> writes: >> >> > Ok, it's a new subject related to my previous question about backing up >> > to a bootable external. With the exception of the WD My Passport Slim, >> > what would you all recommend for an external HD? >> >> I really like these (just bought my 7th one) - >> >> http://eshop.macsales.com/shop/firewire/on-the-go >> >> They have a large heatsink (hard to see in the photos) for the drive >> that works very well. These used to be supplied with Seagate drives >> but now come mostly with Hitachi drives, which also seem to be ok, >> but it'll be a while longer before I can say that for sure. >> >> Billy Y.. > Seagates and Western Digital drives have caused me nothing but trouble. > I bought a 1GB Seagate and it died within a week of doing a full clone > backup. Took it back to Frys and they wouldn't take it back because I > didn't buy their extended warrantee. I had to send it back to Seagate. > 6 weeks later after dealing with UPS, I get the replacement that had the > same problem. I tossed the drive and won't buy Seagate ever again. I haven't had any trouble with Seagate drives EXCEPT for their drives sold in enclosures, all of which are complete and utter shit. I had a 3TB USB 3.0 Seagate that would not mount at all until I ripped it out of the case (destroying the case in the process) and put it into another enclosure. I stopped buying WD years ago, but still buy bare drive Seagate or Toshiba or Hitachi. They are all getting progressively worse though. -- 'A man like that could inspire a handful of broken men to conquer a country.' 'Fine. Just so long as he does it on his day off.'
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| From | Otto Pylot <otto@bogus.address.com> |
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| Date | 2013-12-29 21:36 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <291220132136524546%otto@bogus.address.com> |
| In reply to | #54033 |
In article <slrnlc1u6b.c4g.g.kreme@amelia.local>, Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote: > In message <vilain-E2F745.14592728122013@news.individual.net> > Michael Vilain <vilain@NOspamcop.net> wrote: > > In article <l9nbrf$qqu$1@reader2.panix.com>, billy@MIX.COM wrote: > > >> Otto Pylot <otto@bogus.address.com> writes: > >> > >> > Ok, it's a new subject related to my previous question about backing up > >> > to a bootable external. With the exception of the WD My Passport Slim, > >> > what would you all recommend for an external HD? > >> > >> I really like these (just bought my 7th one) - > >> > >> http://eshop.macsales.com/shop/firewire/on-the-go > >> > >> They have a large heatsink (hard to see in the photos) for the drive > >> that works very well. These used to be supplied with Seagate drives > >> but now come mostly with Hitachi drives, which also seem to be ok, > >> but it'll be a while longer before I can say that for sure. > >> > >> Billy Y.. > > > Seagates and Western Digital drives have caused me nothing but trouble. > > I bought a 1GB Seagate and it died within a week of doing a full clone > > backup. Took it back to Frys and they wouldn't take it back because I > > didn't buy their extended warrantee. I had to send it back to Seagate. > > 6 weeks later after dealing with UPS, I get the replacement that had the > > same problem. I tossed the drive and won't buy Seagate ever again. > > I haven't had any trouble with Seagate drives EXCEPT for their drives > sold in enclosures, all of which are complete and utter shit. I had a > 3TB USB 3.0 Seagate that would not mount at all until I ripped it out of > the case (destroying the case in the process) and put it into another > enclosure. > > I stopped buying WD years ago, but still buy bare drive Seagate or > Toshiba or Hitachi. > > They are all getting progressively worse though. This sure doesn't instill a lot of confidence in using an external drive for backup. I just used CCC to clone my HD to the WD "bookend" drive that was just given to me. I'll try to boot from it tomorrow but don't expect any problems. It almost seems like I should get another drive and clone that as well, just in case. But how many do you really need to keep your important data safe? One could sure go crazy with this. -- Deja Moo: I've seen this bullshit before. Please respond to: scasse@invalid.net replacing invalid with sonic.
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| From | Michael Vilain <vilain@NOspamcop.net> |
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| Date | 2013-12-30 01:58 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <vilain-035C88.01582430122013@news.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #54041 |
In article <291220132136524546%otto@bogus.address.com>, Otto Pylot <otto@bogus.address.com> wrote: > In article <slrnlc1u6b.c4g.g.kreme@amelia.local>, Lewis > <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote: > > > In message <vilain-E2F745.14592728122013@news.individual.net> > > Michael Vilain <vilain@NOspamcop.net> wrote: > > > In article <l9nbrf$qqu$1@reader2.panix.com>, billy@MIX.COM wrote: > > > > >> Otto Pylot <otto@bogus.address.com> writes: > > >> > > >> > Ok, it's a new subject related to my previous question about backing up > > >> > to a bootable external. With the exception of the WD My Passport Slim, > > >> > what would you all recommend for an external HD? > > >> > > >> I really like these (just bought my 7th one) - > > >> > > >> http://eshop.macsales.com/shop/firewire/on-the-go > > >> > > >> They have a large heatsink (hard to see in the photos) for the drive > > >> that works very well. These used to be supplied with Seagate drives > > >> but now come mostly with Hitachi drives, which also seem to be ok, > > >> but it'll be a while longer before I can say that for sure. > > >> > > >> Billy Y.. > > > > > Seagates and Western Digital drives have caused me nothing but trouble. > > > I bought a 1GB Seagate and it died within a week of doing a full clone > > > backup. Took it back to Frys and they wouldn't take it back because I > > > didn't buy their extended warrantee. I had to send it back to Seagate. > > > 6 weeks later after dealing with UPS, I get the replacement that had the > > > same problem. I tossed the drive and won't buy Seagate ever again. > > > > I haven't had any trouble with Seagate drives EXCEPT for their drives > > sold in enclosures, all of which are complete and utter shit. I had a > > 3TB USB 3.0 Seagate that would not mount at all until I ripped it out of > > the case (destroying the case in the process) and put it into another > > enclosure. > > > > I stopped buying WD years ago, but still buy bare drive Seagate or > > Toshiba or Hitachi. > > > > They are all getting progressively worse though. > > This sure doesn't instill a lot of confidence in using an external > drive for backup. I just used CCC to clone my HD to the WD "bookend" > drive that was just given to me. I'll try to boot from it tomorrow but > don't expect any problems. It almost seems like I should get another > drive and clone that as well, just in case. But how many do you really > need to keep your important data safe? One could sure go crazy with > this. That's the job of a sysadmin. You'e only as good at your job as your last backup. Two backup methods are good enough for me with some data on the cloud services. But I don't bother keeping stuff off-site in a safe deposit box. Do two backups if you want to worry. Check them BOTH for the ability to restore from a disaster. Then go about your business. -- DeeDee, don't press that button! DeeDee! NO! Dee... [I filter all Goggle Groups posts, so any reply may be automatically ignored]
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| From | J Burns <burns4@nowhere.com> |
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| Date | 2013-12-30 10:20 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <l9s304$c3d$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #54041 |
On 12/30/13, 12:36 AM, Otto Pylot wrote: > In article <slrnlc1u6b.c4g.g.kreme@amelia.local>, Lewis > <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote: >> >> They are all getting progressively worse though. > > This sure doesn't instill a lot of confidence in using an external > drive for backup. I just used CCC to clone my HD to the WD "bookend" > drive that was just given to me. I'll try to boot from it tomorrow but > don't expect any problems. It almost seems like I should get another > drive and clone that as well, just in case. But how many do you really > need to keep your important data safe? One could sure go crazy with > this. > I used to go crazy with backups. In the days of floppies, I'd keep at least 3 backups and still feel nervous. When I got a Zip drive, I didn't trust it. I'd keep 2 Zip backups and 3 floppy backups. I've found hard disks very reliable as hardware. I've had only one fail, the internal drive of a computer I'd retired after 9 years. I've also had one enclosure fail. In the days of Classic, I never knew when a computer gremlin or an event like a power failure would leave a disk unreadable. I fell back on my backup often. Once, when I tried to boot from my backup, the gremlin that had made my internal drive unreadable also made my backup unreadable. I was lucky. The gremlin went away the next day, and Apple's disk repair utility was able to fix both disks. It seems possible that an event like a power failure that happened during a backup, might leave both disks unreadable. Time Machine has a provision for that. Plug in 2 backup disks and tell Time Machine to alternate.
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| From | Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> |
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| Date | 2013-12-31 07:32 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <PdqdnWj3DJoafl_PnZ2dnUVZ_vmdnZ2d@earthlink.com> |
| In reply to | #54056 |
On 12/30/2013 7:20 AM PT, J Burns typed:
> I used to go crazy with backups. In the days of floppies, I'd keep at
> least 3 backups and still feel nervous. When I got a Zip drive, I
> didn't trust it. I'd keep 2 Zip backups and 3 floppy backups.
Did put backups off-site too?
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| From | J Burns <burns4@nowhere.com> |
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| Date | 2013-12-31 11:46 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <l9usd7$ppm$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #54131 |
On 12/31/13, 10:32 AM, Ant wrote: > On 12/30/2013 7:20 AM PT, J Burns typed: >> I used to go crazy with backups. In the days of floppies, I'd keep at >> least 3 backups and still feel nervous. When I got a Zip drive, I >> didn't trust it. I'd keep 2 Zip backups and 3 floppy backups. > > Did put backups off-site too? Of course! One building wasn't big enough for all those piles of floppies and zips!
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| From | Bread <BreadWithSpam@Fractious.net> |
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| Date | 2013-12-30 09:37 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <l9sb0f$98l$1@reader1.panix.com> |
| In reply to | #54041 |
On 2013-12-30 05:36:52 +0000, Otto Pylot said: > In article <slrnlc1u6b.c4g.g.kreme@amelia.local>, Lewis > <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote: > >> >> They are all getting progressively worse though. > > This sure doesn't instill a lot of confidence in using an external > drive for backup. Don't buy it. Hard drives are more reliable now than ever before. Heads don't crash, drivers and connectors are all standardized. Heat is less of a problem than ever before. The progress in hard drives may well be more impressive than the progress that's been made in solid state stuff like CPUs. It's *hard* to make devices with high-speed spinning parts so reliable and on such a massive scale. It's just astonishing. Compared to floopies, Zip drives, almost any other magnetic media, modern hard drives are, to borrow a phrase, insanely great. That all said, if your data is important to you, you need at least two backups. All of my machines get Time Machined to external drives, Crashplanned (only data files, not the entire drive - but the data is much bigger than things like apps and system stuff anyway) to two locations (not to the cloud), and, every once in a while, I make SuperDuper clones. But the clones really aren't very important. They'd get me up and running again immediately if necessary (just plug one in, boot up and be good to go, though some data would be stale). The thing is that the SuperDuper clones require more intervention on my part and the least reliable part of my backup system/workflow is *me*. Crashplan and Time Machine just happen. YMMV, of course. As for actual drives, I have a mix of things. The Drobo is full of WD Red drives. the various externals are a mix of seagate and WDs, most of them actually seagate or WD enclosures which came with the drives in them, though I do have two OWC enclosures that I stuck drives into myself. Most of the time, my drives get retired not because they died but because they were replaced with higher capacity ones. In all the years, across dozens of drives, I've only had a few (perhaps 4 or 5?) actually die on me. Two were internals on an old iMac which ran 24/7, and one was an internal on a MBP which also was run pretty constantly. Another was in the Drobo (simply swapped it out with a new drive, Drobo reconstructs, magic!). There had to be another one or two failures along the way, but that, again, is out of many many drives over decades. The point is that any given drive will eventually die. In my experience, the vast majority will be replaced due to capacity (or computer replacement) well before the drives fail. But at any point, you have to expect any drive to fail and be prepared for it. The odds that two or three critical drives will all fail at once, especially if they are not all running 24/7 are very small. So don't worry. The biggest cause of backup failures is human intervention (or lack thereof as necessary), not hard drive reliability, so I say to solve that problem first.
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| From | Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> |
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| Date | 2013-12-30 18:07 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <slrnlc3diq.ed0.g.kreme@amelia.local> |
| In reply to | #54068 |
In message <l9sb0f$98l$1@reader1.panix.com> Bread <BreadWithSpam@Fractious.net> wrote: > On 2013-12-30 05:36:52 +0000, Otto Pylot said: >> In article <slrnlc1u6b.c4g.g.kreme@amelia.local>, Lewis >> <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote: >> >>> >>> They are all getting progressively worse though. >> >> This sure doesn't instill a lot of confidence in using an external >> drive for backup. > Don't buy it. Hard drives are more reliable now than ever before. Simply not true. I still have a 100MB drive that works just fine in a Mac SE, and many drives in the under 100GB range all of which still work. The last time I booted my Apple //gs, the 20MB drive spun right up and loaded Prosel without a problem. In fact, I've never had a drive under 10GB fail. I've had many drives over 1TB fail, despite owning many more of the smaller drives. -- 'I'm just going to kick some arse dear' 'Oh, good. Just be sure you wrap up well, then.'
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