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  How about Aldus PageMaker? sctvguy1 <sctvguy1@invalid.net> - 2015-04-26 23:38 +0000
    Re: How about Aldus PageMaker? JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-04-26 19:48 -0400
    Re: How about Aldus PageMaker? Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2015-04-27 12:07 +1200
    Re: How about Aldus PageMaker? Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-04-26 18:37 -0700
    Re: How about Aldus PageMaker? Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2015-04-27 08:26 -0400
    Re: How about Aldus PageMaker? Howard S Shubs <howard@shubs.net> - 2015-04-28 09:25 +0000
      Re: How about Aldus PageMaker? Siri Cruz <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> - 2015-04-28 02:41 -0700
        Re: How about Aldus PageMaker? Oregonian Haruspex <bob_davis_retired@yahoo.com> - 2015-04-29 01:04 -0700
          Re: How about Aldus PageMaker? heron stone <heron@invalid.invalid> - 2015-04-29 08:57 -0700
            Re: How about Aldus PageMaker? Siri Cruz <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> - 2015-04-29 09:04 -0700
            Re: How about Aldus PageMaker? JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-04-29 13:27 -0400
              Re: How about Aldus PageMaker? Alan Baker <email@domain.com> - 2015-04-29 10:52 -0700
                Re: How about Aldus PageMaker? JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-04-29 14:15 -0400
                  Re: How about Aldus PageMaker? Alan Baker <email@domain.com> - 2015-04-29 11:38 -0700
                    Re: How about Aldus PageMaker? JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-04-29 15:16 -0400
                      Re: How about Aldus PageMaker? Alan Baker <email@domain.com> - 2015-04-29 12:55 -0700
                  Re: How about Aldus PageMaker? Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2015-04-30 09:38 +1200
                    Re: How about Aldus PageMaker? JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-04-29 19:37 -0400
                      Re: How about Aldus PageMaker? Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2015-04-30 13:50 +1200
              Re: How about Aldus PageMaker? Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2015-04-30 09:35 +1200
                Re: How about Aldus PageMaker? JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-04-29 19:34 -0400
              Re: How about Aldus PageMaker? Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2015-04-30 09:44 +1200
            Re: How about Aldus PageMaker? heron stone <heron@invalid.invalid> - 2015-04-29 17:48 -0700
              Re: How about Aldus PageMaker? Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2015-04-30 13:51 +1200
          Re: How about Aldus PageMaker? JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-04-29 13:21 -0400
            Re: How about Aldus PageMaker? Alan Baker <email@domain.com> - 2015-04-29 10:54 -0700

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#74230 — How about Aldus PageMaker?

I still have a copy of that software that I used under OS/2!  Anyone else 
ever use that?

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#74235

On 15-04-26 19:38, sctvguy1 wrote:
> I still have a copy of that software that I used under OS/2!  Anyone else 
> ever use that?

I still have the diskette for PageMaker 1.2 (I think) that I had for my
MacPlus.

Aldus used the registration number from your first purchase so you had
to keep that diskette and registration number to get upgrades later on.
This was such an old version that when I did my first Adobe upgrade, I
had to be shunted from person to person because their software didn't
recognize this and was eventually told to do special trick with an
confirmation code generated by them to force-accept the registration.

So I had 1 diskette for the MacOS, 1 diskette for Page Maker, and 1
diskette for documents.

I still have Page Maker available on MacOS 8,6 running in SheepShaver.
Forget the version though.

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#74236

In article <mhjst7$6om$2@dont-email.me>, sctvguy1
<sctvguy1@invalid.net> wrote:
> 
> I still have a copy of that software that I used under OS/2!  Anyone else 
> ever use that?

I used PageMaker for years, both Aldus and Adobe versions, on various
Macs from the 9" monochrome Mac Plus onwards. I still have Adobe
PageMaker 7 installed on my current computer's bootable Mac OS 9 /
Classic drive, although I haven't used it in a long time. Now I use
Adobe InDesign mostly because the old version 2 I have runs under both
OS 9 and OS X, but in some ways it's inferior to PageMaker.

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#74263

In article <mhjst7$6om$2@dont-email.me>, sctvguy1
<sctvguy1@invalid.net> wrote:

> I still have a copy of that software that I used under OS/2!  Anyone else 
> ever use that?

I used it extensively in the 1980s while I was a newsletter editor.  It
was EOLed a decade or two ago.

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#74310

In article <mhjst7$6om$2@dont-email.me>,
 sctvguy1 <sctvguy1@invalid.net> wrote:

> I still have a copy of that software that I used under OS/2!  Anyone else 
> ever use that?

In 1986 I did some "desktop publishing" with Pagemaker 1.1 (on a "fat 
Mac"). We put out a small magazine for a sports psychologist. 

You could call Aldus (long-distance to Oregon) and ask questions and 
make suggestions, and they were very helpful and seemed to take your 
suggestions seriously).

Aldus sent us "Pagemaker" t-shirts. Mine has shrunk.

Many years later, the oul' Woman was using Pagemaker professionally; 
she's since moved to InDesign.
-- 
Where's the Vangelis music?
Pris' tongue is sticking out in in the wide shot after Batty has kissed her.
They have put back more tits into the Zhora dressing  room scene.
  -- notes for Blade Runner

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#74410

On 2015-04-26, sctvguy1 <sctvguy1@invalid.net> wrote:
> I still have a copy of that software that I used under OS/2!  Anyone else 
> ever use that?

Yes, on Mac System 6 and earlier.

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#74411

In article <slrnmjukg9.8rf.howard@foxtrot.local>,
 Howard S Shubs <howard@shubs.net> wrote:

> On 2015-04-26, sctvguy1 <sctvguy1@invalid.net> wrote:
> > I still have a copy of that software that I used under OS/2!  Anyone else 
> > ever use that?
> 
> Yes, on Mac System 6 and earlier.

It was replaced by Adobe InDesign.

PageMaker is a great advance on its successor.

-- 
:-<> Siri Seal of Disavowal #000-001. Disavowed. Denied. Deleted.
'I desire mercy, not sacrifice.'
Icke's razor: Given two equally plausible explanations, choose the weirder.
That's People's Commissioner Siri Cruz now. Punch!

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#74445

On 2015-04-28 09:41:17 +0000, Siri Cruz said:

> In article <slrnmjukg9.8rf.howard@foxtrot.local>,
>  Howard S Shubs <howard@shubs.net> wrote:
> 
>> On 2015-04-26, sctvguy1 <sctvguy1@invalid.net> wrote:
>>> I still have a copy of that software that I used under OS/2!  Anyone else
>>> ever use that?
>> 
>> Yes, on Mac System 6 and earlier.
> 
> It was replaced by Adobe InDesign.
> 
> PageMaker is a great advance on its successor.

If you manage your workflow properly Pagemaker is still *THE VERY BEST* 
DTP software on the market.  Nothing else even comes close.

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#74452

i'm curious

in what specific way(s) is PM better than ID

i used PM personally and in production work until we changed to ID3 at
work 

i hated having to learn a new app, but after a while i realized that ID
was far better at everything than PM





In article <mhq38g$4rt$1@dont-email.me>, Oregonian Haruspex
<bob_davis_retired@yahoo.com> wrote:

> On 2015-04-28 09:41:17 +0000, Siri Cruz said:
> 
> > In article <slrnmjukg9.8rf.howard@foxtrot.local>,
> >  Howard S Shubs <howard@shubs.net> wrote:
> > 
> >> On 2015-04-26, sctvguy1 <sctvguy1@invalid.net> wrote:
> >>> I still have a copy of that software that I used under OS/2!  Anyone else
> >>> ever use that?
> >> 
> >> Yes, on Mac System 6 and earlier.
> > 
> > It was replaced by Adobe InDesign.
> > 
> > PageMaker is a great advance on its successor.
> 
> If you manage your workflow properly Pagemaker is still *THE VERY BEST* 
> DTP software on the market.  Nothing else even comes close.
>

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#74453

In article <290420150857466750%heron@invalid.invalid>,
 heron stone <heron@invalid.invalid> wrote:

> i'm curious
> 
> in what specific way(s) is PM better than ID
> 
> i used PM personally and in production work until we changed to ID3 at
> work 
> 
> i hated having to learn a new app, but after a while i realized that ID
> was far better at everything than PM

PageMaker did one thing, it did it simply, directly, and well. InDesign can't 
decide if it's PageMaker, Illustrator, a web page edittor, or what?

-- 
:-<> Siri Seal of Disavowal #000-001. Disavowed. Denied. Deleted.
'I desire mercy, not sacrifice.'
Icke's razor: Given two equally plausible explanations, choose the weirder.
That's People's Commissioner Siri Cruz now. Punch!

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#74459

On 15-04-29 11:57, heron stone wrote:
> i'm curious
> 
> in what specific way(s) is PM better than ID

-Placing/scaling of images

-automatic flow of text, and automatic creation of as many pages are
required when to place text on first page.

Those are the first 2 things that pop out when you ask. It has been a
while since I last used PageMarkr so I may have forgotten a few.

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#74460

On 2015-04-29 17:27:40 +0000, JF Mezei said:

> On 15-04-29 11:57, heron stone wrote:
>> i'm curious
>> 
>> in what specific way(s) is PM better than ID
> 
> -Placing/scaling of images

How is that "better" in PM than in ID?

> 
> -automatic flow of text, and automatic creation of as many pages are
> required when to place text on first page.



<http://indesignsecrets.com/autoflow-text-when-pasting.php>

> 
> Those are the first 2 things that pop out when you ask. It has been a
> while since I last used PageMarkr so I may have forgotten a few.

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#74462

On 15-04-29 13:52, Alan Baker wrote:

>> -Placing/scaling of images
> 
> How is that "better" in PM than in ID?

In ID, if I want to scale image, I have to scale the box, and then
Object->Fitting->Fit content to frame to rescale the image itself. In
PM, I just rescaled the image "live".


> <http://indesignsecrets.com/autoflow-text-when-pasting.php>

Nice trick. Is there a way to automatically insert an link the text
frame when one adds a page to a document ? (PM did that).

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#74463

On 2015-04-29 18:15:06 +0000, JF Mezei said:

> On 15-04-29 13:52, Alan Baker wrote:
> 
>>> -Placing/scaling of images
>> 
>> How is that "better" in PM than in ID?
> 
> In ID, if I want to scale image, I have to scale the box, and then
> Object->Fitting->Fit content to frame to rescale the image itself. In
> PM, I just rescaled the image "live".

'Using Auto Fit

...

Auto-Fit

Select this option if you want the image to resize automically when you 
resize the frame.'

<https://helpx.adobe.com/indesign/using/frames-objects.html>

> 
> 
>> <http://indesignsecrets.com/autoflow-text-when-pasting.php>
> 
> Nice trick. Is there a way to automatically insert an link the text
> frame when one adds a page to a document ? (PM did that).

Not sure quite what you're asking here...

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#74464

On 15-04-29 14:38, Alan Baker wrote:
>
> Select this option if you want the image to resize automically when you 
> resize the frame.'
> 
> <https://helpx.adobe.com/indesign/using/frames-objects.html>

Is there a way to make thyis "Auto-fit" apply by default ? Or must it be
emabled for each image object after it has been created ?  Just curious
on why this wasn't the default as it is for just about every other
application out there.

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#74465

On 2015-04-29 19:16:45 +0000, JF Mezei said:

> On 15-04-29 14:38, Alan Baker wrote:
>> 
>> Select this option if you want the image to resize automically when you
>> resize the frame.'
>> 
>> <https://helpx.adobe.com/indesign/using/frames-objects.html>
> 
> Is there a way to make thyis "Auto-fit" apply by default ? Or must it be
> emabled for each image object after it has been created ?  Just curious
> on why this wasn't the default as it is for just about every other
> application out there.

<https://helpx.adobe.com/indesign/using/object-styles.html>

Check out "Use Object Styles"...

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#74472

In article <55411fab$0$2982$b1db1813$7968482@news.astraweb.com>, JF
Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote:
> On 15-04-29 13:52, Alan Baker wrote:
> >>
> >> -Placing/scaling of images
> > 
> > How is that "better" in PM than in ID?
> 
> In ID, if I want to scale image, I have to scale the box, and then
> Object->Fitting->Fit content to frame to rescale the image itself. In
> PM, I just rescaled the image "live".

Hold down Option-Command (from memory since I don't have InDesign
running) while dragging the image box's handles and the image will
scale with the frame. Include Shift to keep the image to it's correct
ratio.

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#74477

On 15-04-29 17:38, Your Name wrote:

> Hold down Option-Command (from memory since I don't have InDesign
> running) while dragging the image box's handles and the image will
> scale with the frame. 


See, that is the problem. With InDesign, yu need to find hidden tricks
that used to be done naturally in PageMaker.

The problem with lack of books is that it is hard to know about features
that are hidden unless you specifically search for them

With a printed book, you can peruse and find features you didn't know
existed. So when you need them, you know they exist.

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#74487

In article <55416b57$0$63974$b1db1813$2411a48f@news.astraweb.com>, JF
Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote:
> On 15-04-29 17:38, Your Name wrote:
> > 
> > Hold down Option-Command (from memory since I don't have InDesign
> > running) while dragging the image box's handles and the image will
> > scale with the frame. 
> 
> See, that is the problem. With InDesign, yu need to find hidden tricks
> that used to be done naturally in PageMaker.
> 
> The problem with lack of books is that it is hard to know about features
> that are hidden unless you specifically search for them
> 
> With a printed book, you can peruse and find features you didn't know
> existed. So when you need them, you know they exist.

I can't remember how I found that out ... might have been just via
experimenting, InDesign's Help, somewhere online ... or it may have
been from the actual printed manual (almost 500 pages) that came in the
box. 

Unfortunately they no longer do manuals with software, they expect you
to download and waste your own ink to print the manual, or buy
something like the "InDesign for Dummies" book ... meanwhile they are,
as usual, charging you the same price for getting less.  :-(

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#74471

In article <5541148c$0$54721$c3e8da3$fdf4f6af@news.astraweb.com>, JF
Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote:
> On 15-04-29 11:57, heron stone wrote:
> > 
> > i'm curious
> > 
> > in what specific way(s) is PM better than ID
> 
> -Placing/scaling of images
> 
> -automatic flow of text, and automatic creation of as many pages are
> required when to place text on first page.
> 
> Those are the first 2 things that pop out when you ask. It has been a
> while since I last used PageMarkr so I may have forgotten a few.

I don't know about the newer versions of InDesign, but at least in
InDesign 2 there's no Build Booklet feature - that was a great time
saver in PageMaker, which in InDesign 2 has to be done by manually
shuffling pages around.

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