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  Apple High End DSLR? Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2012-08-20 13:47 -0700
    Re: Apple High End DSLR? Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2012-08-20 17:28 -0400
      Re: Apple High End DSLR? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2012-08-20 15:23 -0700
        Re: Apple High End DSLR? Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2012-08-20 18:49 -0400
          Re: Apple High End DSLR? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2012-08-20 16:36 -0700
            Re: Apple High End DSLR? Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2012-08-20 19:53 -0400
        Re: Apple High End DSLR? George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> - 2012-08-20 18:26 -0500
        Re: Apple High End DSLR? Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2012-08-21 15:05 +0200
      Re: Apple High End DSLR? YourName@YourISP.com (Your Name) - 2012-08-21 16:10 +1200
        Re: Apple High End DSLR? Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2012-08-21 18:50 -0400
      Re: Apple High End DSLR? Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2012-08-21 01:10 -0400
        Re: Apple High End DSLR? JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2012-08-21 01:49 -0400
          Re: Apple High End DSLR? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2012-08-20 23:40 -0700
        Re: Apple High End DSLR? Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2012-08-21 19:01 -0400
          Re: Apple High End DSLR? Doug Anderson <ethelthelogremovethis@gmail.com> - 2012-08-21 16:08 -0700
            Re: Apple High End DSLR? Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2012-08-21 21:20 -0400
          Re: Apple High End DSLR? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2012-08-21 16:09 -0700
            Re: Apple High End DSLR? Nospam is my hero! Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2012-08-21 21:26 -0400
              Re: Apple High End DSLR? Nospam is my hero! nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2012-08-21 19:29 -0700
                Re: Apple High End DSLR? Nospam is my hero! Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2012-08-22 10:25 +0100
                  Re: Apple High End DSLR? Nospam is my hero! dorayme <dorayme@optusnet.com.au> - 2012-08-23 08:06 +1000
                    Re: Apple High End DSLR? Nospam is my hero! Bread <BreadWithSpam@Fractious.net> - 2012-08-22 15:15 -0700
                      Re: Apple High End DSLR? Nospam is my hero! dorayme <dorayme@optusnet.com.au> - 2012-08-23 08:35 +1000
                        Re: Apple High End DSLR? Nospam is my hero! dorayme <dorayme@optusnet.com.au> - 2012-08-24 07:57 +1000
                Re: Apple High End DSLR? Nospam is my hero! Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2012-08-23 16:53 -0400
                  Re: Apple High End DSLR? Nospam is my hero! Doug Anderson <ethelthelogremovethis@gmail.com> - 2012-08-23 14:01 -0700
                    iCloud, PhotoStream and backing up your photos (was Re: Apple High End DSLR? Nospam is my hero!) Bread <BreadWithSpam@Fractious.net> - 2012-08-23 15:13 -0700
                      Re: iCloud, PhotoStream and backing up your photos (was Re: Apple High End DSLR? Nospam is my hero!) Doug Anderson <ethelthelogremovethis@gmail.com> - 2012-08-23 15:27 -0700
                      Re: iCloud, PhotoStream and backing up your photos (was Re: Apple High End DSLR? Nospam is my hero!) Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2012-08-23 19:08 -0400
                        Re: iCloud, PhotoStream and backing up your photos (was Re: Apple   High End DSLR? Nospam is my hero!) Bread <BreadWithSpam@Fractious.net> - 2012-08-23 16:54 -0700
                          Re: iCloud, PhotoStream and backing up your photos Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2012-08-24 16:45 -0400
                        Re: iCloud, PhotoStream and backing up your photos (was Re: Apple High End DSLR? Nospam is my hero!) Doug Anderson <ethelthelogremovethis@gmail.com> - 2012-08-23 21:30 -0700
                          Re: iCloud, PhotoStream and backing up your photos (was Re: Apple High End DSLR? Nospam is my hero!) Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2012-08-24 16:57 -0400
                            Re: iCloud, PhotoStream and backing up your photos (was Re: Apple High End DSLR? Nospam is my hero!) Doug Anderson <ethelthelogremovethis@gmail.com> - 2012-08-24 14:17 -0700
                              Re: iCloud, PhotoStream and backing up your photos (was Re: Apple High End DSLR? Nospam is my hero!) Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2012-08-24 17:47 -0400
                                Re: iCloud, PhotoStream and backing up your photos (was Re: Apple High End DSLR? Nospam is my hero!) Doug Anderson <ethelthelogremovethis@gmail.com> - 2012-08-24 14:55 -0700
                                  Re: iCloud, PhotoStream and backing up your photos (was Re: Apple High End DSLR? Nospam is my hero!) Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2012-08-25 09:08 -0400
                                    Re: iCloud, PhotoStream and backing up your photos (was Re: Apple High End DSLR? Nospam is my hero!) Doug Anderson <ethelthelogremovethis@gmail.com> - 2012-08-26 11:44 -0700
                                      Re: iCloud, PhotoStream and backing up your photos (was Re: Apple High End DSLR? Nospam is my hero!) Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2012-08-26 15:31 -0400
                                        Re: iCloud, PhotoStream and backing up your photos (was Re: Apple High End DSLR? Nospam is my hero!) John McWilliams <jpmcw@comcast.net> - 2012-08-27 10:46 -0700
                                          Re: iCloud, PhotoStream and backing up your photos (was Re: Apple High End DSLR? Nospam is my hero!) Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2012-08-27 19:23 -0400
                                            Keepers, storage, culling photos [was Re: iCloud, PhotoStream a....] John McWilliams <jpmcw@comcast.net> - 2012-08-27 19:53 -0700
                                              Re: Keepers, storage, culling photos [was Re: iCloud, PhotoStream a....] Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2012-08-28 19:49 -0400
                    Re: Apple High End DSLR? Nospam is my hero! Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2012-08-23 21:10 -0400
                      Re: Apple High End DSLR? Nospam is my hero! Doug Anderson <ethelthelogremovethis@gmail.com> - 2012-08-23 21:42 -0700
                  Re: Apple High End DSLR? Nospam is my hero! nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2012-08-23 14:39 -0700
                    Re: Apple High End DSLR? Nospam is my hero! Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2012-08-24 17:32 -0400
                      Re: Apple High End DSLR? Nospam is my hero! Doug Anderson <ethelthelogremovethis@gmail.com> - 2012-08-24 14:49 -0700
                        Re: Apple High End DSLR? Nospam is my hero! Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2012-08-24 17:51 -0400
                      Re: Apple High End DSLR? Nospam is my hero! nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2012-08-24 16:46 -0700
                        Re: Apple High End DSLR? Nospam is my hero! Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2012-08-25 09:12 -0400
                      Re: Apple High End DSLR? Nospam is my hero! John McWilliams <jpmcw@comcast.net> - 2012-08-24 17:16 -0700
                        Re: Apple High End DSLR? Nospam is my hero! Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2012-08-25 09:13 -0400
                          Re: Apple High End DSLR? Nospam is my hero! John McWilliams <jpmcw@comcast.net> - 2012-08-25 09:41 -0700
                            Re: Apple High End DSLR? Nospam is my hero! Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2012-08-25 13:00 -0400
                              Re: Apple High End DSLR? Nospam is my hero! John McWilliams <jpmcw@comcast.net> - 2012-08-25 10:47 -0700
                                Re: Apple High End DSLR? Nospam is my hero! Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2012-08-25 14:12 -0400
                                  Re: Apple High End DSLR? Nospam is my hero! John McWilliams <jpmcw@comcast.net> - 2012-08-25 11:16 -0700
                                    Re: Apple High End DSLR? Nospam is my hero! Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2012-08-25 14:51 -0400
                                      Re: Apple High End DSLR? Nospam is my hero! Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2012-08-25 15:37 -0400
                                        Re: Apple High End DSLR? Nospam is my hero! Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2012-08-25 16:51 -0400
                                          Re: Apple High End DSLR? Nospam is my hero! MC <copespaz@mapca.inter.net> - 2012-08-25 16:56 -0400
                                            Re: Apple High End DSLR? Nospam is my hero! Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2012-08-26 16:13 -0400
                                              Re: Apple High End DSLR? Nospam is my hero! Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2012-08-26 19:12 -0400
                                                Re: Apple High End DSLR? Nospam is my hero! Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2012-08-26 19:17 -0400
                                              Re: Apple High End DSLR? Nospam is my hero! Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2012-08-26 18:20 -0700
                                              Re: Apple High End DSLR? Nospam is my hero! John McWilliams <jpmcw@comcast.net> - 2012-08-27 10:48 -0700
                                          Re: Apple High End DSLR? Nospam is my hero! Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2012-08-25 17:09 -0400
                                            Re: Apple High End DSLR? Nospam is my hero! Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2012-08-25 18:14 -0400
                                              Re: Apple High End DSLR? Nospam is my hero! Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2012-08-25 22:23 -0400
                                                Re: Apple High End DSLR? Nospam is my hero! nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2012-08-25 19:53 -0700
                                                  Re: Apple High End DSLR? Nospam is my hero! dorayme <dorayme@optusnet.com.au> - 2012-08-26 12:58 +1000
                                                  Re: Apple High End DSLR? Nospam is my hero! JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2012-08-25 23:16 -0400
                                                    Re: Apple High End DSLR? Nospam is my hero! nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2012-08-25 20:28 -0700
                                                    Re: Apple High End DSLR? Nospam is my hero! Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2012-08-26 10:47 -0400
                                                  Re: Apple High End DSLR? Nospam is my hero! Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2012-08-26 10:41 -0400
                                                    Re: Apple High End DSLR? Nospam is my hero! Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2012-08-26 13:20 -0400
                                                      Re: Apple High End DSLR? Nospam is my hero! Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2012-08-26 13:33 -0400
                                                        Re: Apple High End DSLR? Nospam is my hero! Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2012-08-26 19:05 -0400
                                                          Re: Apple High End DSLR? Nospam is my hero! Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2012-08-26 19:19 -0400
                                                Re: Apple High End DSLR? Nospam is my hero! Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2012-08-26 10:37 -0400
                                            Re: Apple High End DSLR? Nospam is my hero! Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2012-08-25 23:18 +0100
                                              Re: Apple High End DSLR? Nospam is my hero! dorayme <dorayme@optusnet.com.au> - 2012-08-26 09:57 +1000
                                                Re: Apple High End DSLR? Nospam is my hero! Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2012-08-26 13:27 +0100
                                    Re: Apple High End DSLR? Nospam is my hero! Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2012-08-25 15:33 -0400
                                      Re: Apple High End DSLR? Nospam is my hero! Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2012-08-25 16:53 -0400
                                        Re: Apple High End DSLR? Nospam is my hero! John McWilliams <jpmcw@comcast.net> - 2012-08-25 17:48 -0700
                                          Re: Apple High End DSLR? Nospam is my hero! Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2012-08-26 16:23 -0400
                            Re: Apple High End DSLR? Nospam is my hero! Bread <BreadWithSpam@Fractious.net> - 2012-08-25 20:23 -0700
                              Re: Apple High End DSLR? Nospam is my hero! Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2012-08-26 10:48 -0400
          Re: Apple High End DSLR? Bread <BreadWithSpam@Fractious.net> - 2012-08-21 16:31 -0700
            Re: Apple High End DSLR? Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2012-08-21 21:27 -0400
            Re: Apple High End DSLR? Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2012-08-21 21:59 -0700
          Re: Apple High End DSLR? JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2012-08-21 21:27 -0400
            Re: Apple High End DSLR? John McWilliams <jpmcw@comcast.net> - 2012-08-22 16:03 -0700
              Re: Apple High End DSLR? Patty Winter <patty1@wintertime.com> - 2012-08-23 01:50 +0000
    Re: Apple High End DSLR? Doug Anderson <ethelthelogremovethis@gmail.com> - 2012-08-20 15:37 -0700
      Re: Apple High End DSLR? Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2012-08-20 18:48 -0400
        Re: Apple High End DSLR? Doug Anderson <ethelthelogremovethis@gmail.com> - 2012-08-20 16:00 -0700
          Re: Apple High End DSLR? Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2012-08-20 19:38 -0400
            Re: Apple High End DSLR? Doug Anderson <ethelthelogremovethis@gmail.com> - 2012-08-20 16:51 -0700
              Re: Apple High End DSLR? Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2012-08-20 19:58 -0400
                Re: Apple High End DSLR? Doug Anderson <ethelthelogremovethis@gmail.com> - 2012-08-20 17:13 -0700
            Re: Apple High End DSLR? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2012-08-20 19:24 -0700
    Re: Apple High End DSLR? "Charles" <charlesschuler@comcast.net> - 2012-08-20 18:52 -0400
      Re: Apple High End DSLR? Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2012-08-20 19:42 -0400
      Re: Apple High End DSLR? JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2012-08-20 22:34 -0400
        Re: Apple High End DSLR? JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2012-08-20 22:44 -0400
          Re: Apple High End DSLR? Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2012-08-21 15:15 +0200
          Re: Apple High End DSLR? Todd Allcock <elecconnec@AnoOspamL.com> - 2012-08-21 07:54 -0600
          Re: Apple High End DSLR? Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2012-08-21 21:08 -0400
        Re: Apple High End DSLR? Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2012-08-21 18:30 -0400
          Re: Apple High End DSLR? YourName@YourISP.com (Your Name) - 2012-08-22 13:09 +1200
    Re: Apple High End DSLR? George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> - 2012-08-20 18:04 -0500
    Re: Apple High End DSLR? "Mark Dodel" <madodelNOSPAM@ptd.net> - 2012-08-20 19:19 -0500
    Re: Apple High End DSLR? "zulu" <zulu.romeotangohotel@ntlworld.com> - 2012-08-21 15:54 +0100
      Re: Apple High End DSLR? Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2012-08-21 13:59 -0400

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#30040 — Re: Apple High End DSLR? Nospam is my hero!

On 2012-08-25 15:37 , Davoud wrote:
> John McWilliams:
>>> but iTunes works very well for me.
>>> Very well indeed.
>
> Alan Browne:
>> It works.  Very well?  No.
>
> You are a total lid. Your denial that iTunes works very well for Mr.
> McWilliams (and for me and for countless other users) is patently
> ridiculous.

You are a 'droid.  I'm not the only one who thinks iTunes needs a major 
overhaul and that has been stated by others in this NG in the past.

The fact is that iTunes has evolved over time collecting features and 
add ons and accomodations as a ship collects barnacles plying the trade 
routes.

It does work as a music player and I enjoy it for that (esp. sharing to 
a laptop hooked into whatever sound system), but using it for apps 
downloading and perusing the Apple store is so badly laid out as to be 
embarrassing to the profession of software design.

Frankly iTunes as a music, even video launcher, is one thing, but mixing 
apps management into it is plain stupid - or at least poorly done.  (I'm 
just thankful that Mac apps are not wrapped into it as well, but that's 
also a hint about how Apps for the iDevices should be managed).

Where both you and Bill have been using it so long and not perhaps 
noticing the incongruity of its design, a relative newcomer like myself 
sees it for the blivet it is.  (I started using iTunes on a PC in about 
2006 or so).

It is time for Apple to do a clean sheet where iTunes is concerned.

-- 
"C'mon boys, you're not laying pipe!".
                                 -John Keating.

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#30044 — Re: Apple High End DSLR? Nospam is my hero!

In article <e4OdnZMoBc5Lp6TNnZ2dnUVZ_vGdnZ2d@giganews.com>,
 Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote:

> using it for apps downloading and perusing the Apple store is so badly laid out as to be 
> embarrassing to the profession of software design.

Hasn't that function been duplicated and replaced by the App Store 
program? 

I wouldn't be surprised to see it phased out on iTunes.

-- 

"If you can, tell me something happy."
- Marybones

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#30099 — Re: Apple High End DSLR? Nospam is my hero!

On 2012.08.25 16:56 , MC wrote:
> In article <e4OdnZMoBc5Lp6TNnZ2dnUVZ_vGdnZ2d@giganews.com>,
>   Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote:
>
>> using it for apps downloading and perusing the Apple store is so badly laid out as to be
>> embarrassing to the profession of software design.
>
> Hasn't that function been duplicated and replaced by the App Store
> program?

Apps for iDevices (iOS) are via iTunes.

Apps for Mac (OS X) are via App Store (a function that is irksome in 
that they've removed the "download size" for updates.  Though they show 
it for Mountain Lion).

Also irksome is that I can't run XCode because there is an update to it 
related to iDevice apps.  But I don't code for iDevices, I code good old 
Pascal and a bit of C for stuff that will never go on an iDevice.

So I have to update XCode (though there is no need to for my purposes) 
and they don't say how big the DL will be.  For those of us on capped 
ISP's that's a PITA.


-- 
"C'mon boys, you're not laying pipe!".
                                 -John Keating.

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#30110 — Re: Apple High End DSLR? Nospam is my hero!

Alan Browne:

> Apps for iDevices (iOS) are via iTunes.

> Apps for Mac (OS X) are via App Store (a function that is irksome in 
> that they've removed the "download size" for updates.  Though they show 
> it for Mountain Lion).

> Also irksome is that I can't run XCode because there is an update to it 
> related to iDevice apps.  But I don't code for iDevices, I code good old 
> Pascal and a bit of C for stuff that will never go on an iDevice.

> So I have to update XCode (though there is no need to for my purposes) 
> and they don't say how big the DL will be.  For those of us on capped 
> ISP's that's a PITA.

Sounds to me like I've been wrong in criticizing you. Apple apparently
has a secret division whose sole mission is to make your life
miserable. I don't know why you don't dump Apple and switch to Windows
and Android or Windows Mobile. We would miss you here, of course, but
we would get over it in time.

-- 
I agree with almost everything that you have said and almost everything that
you will say in your entire life.

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#30111 — Re: Apple High End DSLR? Nospam is my hero!

On 2012.08.26 19:12 , Davoud wrote:
> Alan Browne:
>
>> Apps for iDevices (iOS) are via iTunes.
>
>> Apps for Mac (OS X) are via App Store (a function that is irksome in
>> that they've removed the "download size" for updates.  Though they show
>> it for Mountain Lion).
>
>> Also irksome is that I can't run XCode because there is an update to it
>> related to iDevice apps.  But I don't code for iDevices, I code good old
>> Pascal and a bit of C for stuff that will never go on an iDevice.
>
>> So I have to update XCode (though there is no need to for my purposes)
>> and they don't say how big the DL will be.  For those of us on capped
>> ISP's that's a PITA.
>
> Sounds to me like I've been wrong in criticizing you. Apple apparently
> has a secret division whose sole mission is to make your life
> miserable. I don't know why you don't dump Apple and switch to Windows
> and Android or Windows Mobile. We would miss you here, of course, but
> we would get over it in time.

Apple does great work overall and I wouldn't consider Windblows.  That 
doesn't mean their errors should be glossed over.

-- 
"C'mon boys, you're not laying pipe!".
                                 -John Keating.

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#30127 — Re: Apple High End DSLR? Nospam is my hero!

In article <JLKdnVTBHNrgHqfNnZ2dnUVZ_u2dnZ2d@giganews.com>,
 Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote:

> >> using it for apps downloading and perusing the Apple store is so 
> >> badly laid out as to be embarrassing to the profession of software 
> >> design.
> >
> > Hasn't that function been duplicated and replaced by the App Store 
> > program?
> 
> Apps for iDevices (iOS) are via iTunes.
> 
> Apps for Mac (OS X) are via App Store (a function that is irksome in 
> that they've removed the "download size" for updates.  Though they show 
> it for Mountain Lion).

You can download apps and updates on iOS devices directly with the App 
Store app without using iTunes on the computer.  I believe that's what he 
was referring to.

-- 
Tea Party Patriots is to Patriotism as 
People's Democratic Republic is to Democracy.

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#30161 — Re: Apple High End DSLR? Nospam is my hero!

On 8/26/12   PDT 1:13 PM, Alan Browne wrote:
> On 2012.08.25 16:56 , MC wrote:
>> In article <e4OdnZMoBc5Lp6TNnZ2dnUVZ_vGdnZ2d@giganews.com>,
>>   Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote:
>>
>>> using it for apps downloading and perusing the Apple store is so
>>> badly laid out as to be
>>> embarrassing to the profession of software design.
>>
>> Hasn't that function been duplicated and replaced by the App Store
>> program?
>
> Apps for iDevices (iOS) are via iTunes.
>
> Apps for Mac (OS X) are via App Store (a function that is irksome in
> that they've removed the "download size" for updates.  Though they show
> it for Mountain Lion).
>
> Also irksome is that I can't run XCode because there is an update to it
> related to iDevice apps.  But I don't code for iDevices, I code good old
> Pascal and a bit of C for stuff that will never go on an iDevice.
>
> So I have to update XCode (though there is no need to for my purposes)
> and they don't say how big the DL will be.  For those of us on capped
> ISP's that's a PITA.

Woe is me!
You're irked a lot at many things Apple. Perhaps it's time to move back 
to PCs.

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#30045 — Re: Apple High End DSLR? Nospam is my hero!

John McWilliams:
> >>> but iTunes works very well for me.
> >>> Very well indeed.

> > Alan Browne:
> >> It works.  Very well?  No.

Davoud:
> > You are a total lid. Your denial that iTunes works very well for Mr.
> > McWilliams (and for me and for countless other users) is patently
> > ridiculous.

Alan Browne:
> I'm not the only one who thinks iTunes needs a major 
> overhaul....

Nor are Mr. McWilliams and I the only ones for whom iTunes does its job
well. It is not your opinion that iTunes needs an overhaul that makes
you a lid. It's your declaration (an absolute one, by the way) that
iTunes can't be working well for us because it doesn't work well for
you that reveals a faulty processing unit inside your head. Or perhaps
the iTunes software is just too complex for you to learn to use. Either
way, you are, in layman's terms, a lid.

-- 
I agree with almost everything that you have said and almost everything that
you will say in your entire life.

usenet *at* davidillig dawt cawm

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#30048 — Re: Apple High End DSLR? Nospam is my hero!

On 2012-08-25 17:09 , Davoud wrote:
> John McWilliams:
>>>>> but iTunes works very well for me.
>>>>> Very well indeed.
>
>>> Alan Browne:
>>>> It works.  Very well?  No.
>
> Davoud:
>>> You are a total lid. Your denial that iTunes works very well for Mr.
>>> McWilliams (and for me and for countless other users) is patently
>>> ridiculous.
>
> Alan Browne:
>> I'm not the only one who thinks iTunes needs a major
>> overhaul....
>
> Nor are Mr. McWilliams and I the only ones for whom iTunes does its job
> well. It is not your opinion that iTunes needs an overhaul that makes
> you a lid. It's your declaration (an absolute one, by the way) that
> iTunes can't be working well for us because it doesn't work well for

Learn to read.  I didn't say it didn't work well.  I said it is poorly 
designed for the user - it has evolved into a blivet.  It evolved into a 
blivet because Apple just kept adding stuff to it beyond what a basic 
music player should do.  Download tunes?  Okay.  Download video.  er, 
sure.  Download apps?  uh, really?  It's just gotten out of hand.

That's not an absolute.  It is difficult for anyone to declare when 
something is crossing the threshold from okay to blivet.  But once it is 
an unmistakable blivet it can be called little else.

-- 
"C'mon boys, you're not laying pipe!".
                                 -John Keating.

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#30059 — Re: Apple High End DSLR? Nospam is my hero!

Alan Browne:
> Download tunes?  Okay.  Download video.  er, 
> sure.  Download apps?  uh, really?  It's just gotten out of hand.

I said, "Or perhaps the iTunes software is just too complex for you to
learn to use." Got it in one, didn't I?

-- 
I agree with almost everything that you have said and almost everything that
you will say in your entire life.

usenet *at* davidillig dawt cawm

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#30060 — Re: Apple High End DSLR? Nospam is my hero!

In article <250820122223333064%star@sky.net>, Davoud <star@sky.net>
wrote:

> > Download tunes?  Okay.  Download video.  er, 
> > sure.  Download apps?  uh, really?  It's just gotten out of hand.
> 
> I said, "Or perhaps the iTunes software is just too complex for you to
> learn to use." Got it in one, didn't I?

it's not that it's complex, it's that it's buggy and does *far* too
many things. 

it began life as just an mp3 player, thus the name itunes.

now it manages music, videos, tv shows, streaming audio, genius, ping
(even though nobody uses it), ios apps, photos, e-books, ringtones,
podcasts, bookmarks, notes, calendar items, contacts, ios device
activation, ios firmware updates, ios backups and i probably forgot
some stuff.

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#30061 — Re: Apple High End DSLR? Nospam is my hero!

In article <250820121953425829%nospam@nospam.invalid>,
 nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:

> In article <250820122223333064%star@sky.net>, Davoud <star@sky.net>
> wrote:
> 
> > > Download tunes?  Okay.  Download video.  er, 
> > > sure.  Download apps?  uh, really?  It's just gotten out of hand.
> > 
> > I said, "Or perhaps the iTunes software is just too complex for you to
> > learn to use." Got it in one, didn't I?
> 
> it's not that it's complex, it's that it's buggy and does *far* too
> many things. 
>

Absolutely right.
 
> it began life as just an mp3 player, thus the name itunes.
> 
> now it manages music, videos, tv shows, streaming audio, genius, ping
> (even though nobody uses it), ios apps, photos, e-books, ringtones,
> podcasts, bookmarks, notes, calendar items, contacts, ios device
> activation, ios firmware updates, ios backups and i probably forgot
> some stuff.

It is really really awful how things like good functional apps with 
particular purposes become monsters diffusing their initial focussed 
powers. 

One stop shopping sounds tempting but the computer itself has that 
role and that is where it should stop.

-- 
dorayme

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#30062 — Re: Apple High End DSLR? Nospam is my hero!

nospam wrote:

> now it manages music, videos, tv shows, streaming audio, genius, ping
> (even though nobody uses it), ios apps, photos, e-books, ringtones,
> podcasts, bookmarks, notes, calendar items, contacts, ios device
> activation, ios firmware updates, ios backups and i probably forgot
> some stuff.

I have to wonder if this has to do with the fact that they have a
windows version and want to have a common code base and simplify how
much they have on Windows.

If they split iTunes into multiple components, it would become more
complex to the user and would requie multiple separate programmes on
windows.

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#30064 — Re: Apple High End DSLR? Nospam is my hero!

In article <503994f8$0$1628$c3e8da3$14a0410e@news.astraweb.com>, JF
Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote:

> If they split iTunes into multiple components, it would become more
> complex to the user and would requie multiple separate programmes on
> windows.

that's true, but having a bunch of single-purpose apps isn't the
solution either. there's a balance.

the odd thing is that itunes syncs everything except photos from a
device. for that you need another app, such as lightroom, iphoto, etc.,
on either platform.

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#30079 — Re: Apple High End DSLR? Nospam is my hero!

On 2012-08-25 23:16 , JF Mezei wrote:
> nospam wrote:
>
>> now it manages music, videos, tv shows, streaming audio, genius, ping
>> (even though nobody uses it), ios apps, photos, e-books, ringtones,
>> podcasts, bookmarks, notes, calendar items, contacts, ios device
>> activation, ios firmware updates, ios backups and i probably forgot
>> some stuff.
>
> I have to wonder if this has to do with the fact that they have a
> windows version and want to have a common code base and simplify how
> much they have on Windows.

Correctly designed, those parts common with the Windows version would 
not be lost or compromised.  When the "windows" switch is used at 
compile time, those functions unique to OS X are simply not compiled 
into it.

>
> If they split iTunes into multiple components, it would become more
> complex to the user and would requie multiple separate programmes on
> windows.

It's not so much the breadth of what it does as how it is organized, 
operates and is presented to the user.

iTunes needs to be re-analyzed, top down, by function, by media, by user 
interface and so on and then re-written accordingly.  Likely 80% of the 
software is re-usable as is - after proper re-design of the structure of 
the thing.

As to "multiple separate programs" iTunes is mostly already that, just 
integrated and compiled into one UI - badly.

-- 
"C'mon boys, you're not laying pipe!".
                                 -John Keating.

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#30078 — Re: Apple High End DSLR? Nospam is my hero!

On 2012-08-25 22:53 , nospam wrote:
> In article <250820122223333064%star@sky.net>, Davoud <star@sky.net>
> wrote:
>
>>> Download tunes?  Okay.  Download video.  er,
>>> sure.  Download apps?  uh, really?  It's just gotten out of hand.
>>
>> I said, "Or perhaps the iTunes software is just too complex for you to
>> learn to use." Got it in one, didn't I?
>
> it's not that it's complex, it's that it's buggy and does *far* too
> many things.
>
> it began life as just an mp3 player, thus the name itunes.
>
> now it manages music, videos, tv shows, streaming audio, genius, ping
> (even though nobody uses it), ios apps, photos, e-books, ringtones,
> podcasts, bookmarks, notes, calendar items, contacts, ios device
> activation, ios firmware updates, ios backups and i probably forgot
> some stuff.

Even if forgetting some stuff that is a good illustration of "the 
problem with iTunes".


-- 
"C'mon boys, you're not laying pipe!".
                                 -John Keating.

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#30090 — Re: Apple High End DSLR? Nospam is my hero!

Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote:

> On 2012-08-25 22:53 , nospam wrote:
> > In article <250820122223333064%star@sky.net>, Davoud <star@sky.net>
> > wrote:
Alan Browne:
> >>> Download tunes?  Okay.  Download video.  er,
> >>> sure.  Download apps?  uh, really?  It's just gotten out of hand.

Davoud:
> >> I said, "Or perhaps the iTunes software is just too complex for you to
> >> learn to use." Got it in one, didn't I?

nospam:
> > now it manages music, videos, tv shows, streaming audio, genius, ping
> > (even though nobody uses it), ios apps, photos, e-books, ringtones,
> > podcasts, bookmarks, notes, calendar items, contacts, ios device
> > activation, ios firmware updates, ios backups and i probably forgot
> > some stuff.

Alan Browne:
> Even if forgetting some stuff that is a good illustration of "the 
> problem with iTunes".

Photoshop would kill you with its ambiguities and complexity. It
sharpens and blurs, lightens and darkens, inverts and reverts, rotates
and de-rotates, removes noise and adds noise, colorizes monochrome and
desaturates color, enlarges and reduces, makes greens red and reds
green, saturates and desaturates, straightens and distorts, makes
layers and flattens them again, extrudes and flattens, works
full-screen or in a window, opens RAW and jpeg, is translucent and
opaque, has video layers and still layers and no layers, and I had to
omit 95% of it for the sake of brevity. Take my word for it--like
iTunes, Photoshop is far too complex for the likes of you. And don't
even think of high-end non-linear video editing!

-- 
I agree with almost everything that you have said and almost everything that
you will say in your entire life.

usenet *at* davidillig dawt cawm

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#30091 — Re: Apple High End DSLR? Nospam is my hero!

On 2012.08.26 13:20 , Davoud wrote:

> nospam:
>>> now it manages music, videos, tv shows, streaming audio, genius, ping
>>> (even though nobody uses it), ios apps, photos, e-books, ringtones,
>>> podcasts, bookmarks, notes, calendar items, contacts, ios device
>>> activation, ios firmware updates, ios backups and i probably forgot
>>> some stuff.
>
> Alan Browne:
>> Even if forgetting some stuff that is a good illustration of "the
>> problem with iTunes".
>
> Photoshop would kill you with its ambiguities and complexity. It
> sharpens and blurs, lightens and darkens, inverts and reverts, rotates
> and de-rotates, removes noise and adds noise, colorizes monochrome and
> desaturates color, enlarges and reduces, makes greens red and reds
> green, saturates and desaturates, straightens and distorts, makes
> layers and flattens them again, extrudes and flattens, works
> full-screen or in a window, opens RAW and jpeg, is translucent and
> opaque, has video layers and still layers and no layers, and I had to
> omit 95% of it for the sake of brevity. Take my word for it--like
> iTunes, Photoshop is far too complex for the likes of you. And don't
> even think of high-end non-linear video editing!

Of course I use most of those features and can even lecture on the fine 
points of some of them.

Of course all of them are related to a single thing: photo editing.

Unlike iTunes which is related to more things that have nothing to do 
with "tunes" or music than things that have to do with music.

Next time you try to draw a parallel, use a ruler.


-- 
"C'mon boys, you're not laying pipe!".
                                 -John Keating.

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#30109 — Re: Apple High End DSLR? Nospam is my hero!

nospam:
> >>> now it manages music, videos, tv shows, streaming audio, genius,
> >>> ping
> >>> (even though nobody uses it), ios apps, photos, e-books, ringtones,
> >>> podcasts, bookmarks, notes, calendar items, contacts, ios device
> >>> activation, ios firmware updates, ios backups and i probably forgot
> >>> some stuff.

Alan Browne:
> >> Even if forgetting some stuff that is a good illustration of "the
> >> problem with iTunes".

Davoud:
> > Photoshop would kill you with its ambiguities and complexity. It
> > sharpens and blurs, lightens and darkens, inverts and reverts, rotates
> > and de-rotates, removes noise and adds noise, colorizes monochrome and
> > desaturates color, enlarges and reduces, makes greens red and reds
> > green, saturates and desaturates, straightens and distorts, makes
> > layers and flattens them again, extrudes and flattens, works
> > full-screen or in a window, opens RAW and jpeg, is translucent and
> > opaque, has video layers and still layers and no layers, and I had to
> > omit 95% of it for the sake of brevity. Take my word for it--like
> > iTunes, Photoshop is far too complex for the likes of you. And don't
> > even think of high-end non-linear video editing!

Alan Browne:
> Next time you try to draw a parallel, use a ruler.

I was drawing my parallel lines on a sphere, and a ruler doesn't work
for that. It is natural to assume that the concept of parallel lines
would only further confuse someone who finds iTunes too complex to use.

-- 
I agree with almost everything that you have said and almost everything that
you will say in your entire life.

usenet *at* davidillig dawt cawm

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#30113 — Re: Apple High End DSLR? Nospam is my hero!

On 2012.08.26 19:05 , Davoud wrote:
>>> Photoshop would kill you with its ambiguities and complexity. It
>>> sharpens and blurs, lightens and darkens, inverts and reverts, rotates
>>> and de-rotates, removes noise and adds noise, colorizes monochrome and
>>> desaturates color, enlarges and reduces, makes greens red and reds
>>> green, saturates and desaturates, straightens and distorts, makes
>>> layers and flattens them again, extrudes and flattens, works
>>> full-screen or in a window, opens RAW and jpeg, is translucent and
>>> opaque, has video layers and still layers and no layers, and I had to
>>> omit 95% of it for the sake of brevity. Take my word for it--like
>>> iTunes, Photoshop is far too complex for the likes of you. And don't
>>> even think of high-end non-linear video editing!
>
> Alan Browne:
 >> Of course I use most of those features and can even lecture on the
 >> fine points of some of them.

 >> Of course all of them are related to a single thing: photo editing.

 >> Unlike iTunes which is related to more things that have nothing to
 >> do with "tunes" or music than things that have to do with music.

>> Next time you try to draw a parallel, use a ruler.


>
> I was drawing my parallel lines on a sphere, and a ruler doesn't work
> for that. It is natural to assume that the concept of parallel lines
> would only further confuse someone who finds iTunes too complex to use.

No, you were trying to cite an extreme example of software that does a 
lot as it has evolved in a structured _photo-centric_ manner over the 
past near 25 years.  And then you introduce a deflection to gloss over 
your clumsiness.

And that s/w package (CS5) sells for over $500 for good reason as it is 
the standard tool of most photo editing pros and amateur photographers. 
  If it were a blivet (like iTunes) it would not sell for anywhere near 
that price.

But, take good cheer, there is a reduced functionality version 
(Elements) for about $100 that will still give you much more than most 
photographers need and is still far superior to the iTunes blivet in all 
respects.

-- 
"C'mon boys, you're not laying pipe!".
                                 -John Keating.

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