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  Next update of Mac Mini? "Ed H." <fake@notreal.net> - 2014-03-22 16:07 -0500
    Re: Next update of Mac Mini? Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-03-22 23:02 +0000
    Re: Next update of Mac Mini? Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-03-23 12:09 +1200
      Re: Next update of Mac Mini? Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-03-23 12:11 -0400
        Re: Next update of Mac Mini? JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-03-23 21:10 -0400
          Re: Next update of Mac Mini? Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-03-24 16:09 +1200
    Re: Next update of Mac Mini? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-03-23 09:06 -0400
    Re: Next update of Mac Mini? Ed Anson <EdAnson@comcast.net> - 2014-03-23 19:00 -0400
      Re: Next update of Mac Mini? "Ed H." <fake@notreal.net> - 2014-03-24 20:46 -0500
        Re: Next update of Mac Mini? Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-03-25 11:02 -0400
    Re: Next update of Mac Mini? John Albert <j.albert@snet.net> - 2014-03-23 19:30 -0400
      Re: Next update of Mac Mini? Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-03-24 13:11 +1200
      Re: Next update of Mac Mini? Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-03-24 01:40 +0000
    Re: Next update of Mac Mini? dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2014-03-24 13:27 +1300
      Re: Next update of Mac Mini? JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-03-23 22:55 -0400
        Re: Next update of Mac Mini? Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-03-23 20:12 -0700
          Re: Next update of Mac Mini? JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-03-24 04:42 -0400
            Re: Next update of Mac Mini? Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-03-25 09:01 +1200
              Re: Next update of Mac Mini? dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2014-03-25 09:28 +1300
                Re: Next update of Mac Mini? Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-03-25 13:24 +1200
                  Re: Next update of Mac Mini? dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2014-03-25 13:56 +1300
                    Re: Next update of Mac Mini? Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-03-25 13:03 +0000
                      Re: Next update of Mac Mini? dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2014-03-26 13:34 +1300
              Re: Next update of Mac Mini? JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-03-24 17:01 -0400
                Re: Next update of Mac Mini? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-03-24 23:02 +0000
                  Re: Next update of Mac Mini? Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2014-03-24 19:15 -0400
                    Re: Next update of Mac Mini? Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-03-25 13:31 +1200
                Re: Next update of Mac Mini? Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-03-24 23:10 +0000
                Re: Next update of Mac Mini? Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-03-25 13:18 +1200
            Re: Next update of Mac Mini? Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-03-25 18:16 +1200
              Re: Next update of Mac Mini? JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-03-25 05:14 -0400
                Re: Next update of Mac Mini? Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2014-03-25 10:19 +0000
                Re: Next update of Mac Mini? Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-03-25 13:05 +0000
                  Re: Next update of Mac Mini? Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-03-25 11:14 -0400
                Re: Next update of Mac Mini? Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-03-25 11:11 -0400
                  Re: Next update of Mac Mini? Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-03-25 23:01 +0000
                    Re: Next update of Mac Mini? Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-03-25 19:37 -0400
                      Re: Next update of Mac Mini? Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2014-03-26 08:30 -0400
                        Re: Next update of Mac Mini? Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2014-03-26 09:04 -0400
                          Re: Next update of Mac Mini? Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2014-03-26 09:33 -0400
                        Re: Next update of Mac Mini? Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-03-26 16:20 -0400
                          Re: Next update of Mac Mini? Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2014-03-26 19:31 -0400
                            Re: Next update of Mac Mini? Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-03-26 19:59 -0400
                              Re: Next update of Mac Mini? JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-03-26 20:22 -0400
                                Re: Next update of Mac Mini? Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-03-26 20:30 -0400
                                  Re: Next update of Mac Mini? Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2014-03-26 20:35 -0400
                                    Re: Next update of Mac Mini? Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-03-27 13:52 +1200
                                      Re: Next update of Mac Mini? Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2014-03-27 08:46 -0400
                                        Re: Next update of Mac Mini? Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2014-03-27 13:45 +0000
                                      Re: Next update of Mac Mini? Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-03-27 18:27 +0000
                                        Re: Next update of Mac Mini? JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-03-27 15:07 -0400
                                          Re: Next update of Mac Mini? Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2014-03-27 15:41 -0400
                                            Re: Next update of Mac Mini? Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-03-28 06:06 +0000
                                              Re: Next update of Mac Mini? Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2014-03-28 09:28 -0400
                                                Re: Next update of Mac Mini? Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-03-28 13:50 +0000
                                                  Re: Next update of Mac Mini? Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2014-03-28 10:08 -0400
                                        Re: Next update of Mac Mini? Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-03-27 17:30 -0400
                                        Re: Next update of Mac Mini? Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2014-03-27 21:59 +0000
                                      Re: Next update of Mac Mini? JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-04-02 23:14 -0400
                                        Re: Next update of Mac Mini? Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-04-03 16:37 +1200
                                          Re: Next update of Mac Mini? Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2014-04-08 12:47 -0400
                                        Re: Next update of Mac Mini? Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-04-03 06:22 +0000
                                    Re: Next update of Mac Mini? JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-03-27 00:59 -0400
                                  Re: Next update of Mac Mini? JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-03-27 00:57 -0400
                                  Re: Next update of Mac Mini? JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-03-27 00:57 -0400
                                    Re: Next update of Mac Mini? Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2014-03-27 08:44 -0400
                                      Re: Next update of Mac Mini? JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-03-27 15:03 -0400
                                        Re: Next update of Mac Mini? Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-03-27 17:31 -0400
                                    Re: Next update of Mac Mini? Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-03-27 17:28 -0400
                    Re: Next update of Mac Mini? Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-03-25 19:49 -0400
                Re: Next update of Mac Mini? Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-03-26 08:20 +1200

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#58112

Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:

> In article <1lj2402.1yxtq771vwwymjN%dempson@actrix.gen.nz>, David
> Empson <dempson@actrix.gen.nz> wrote:
> 
> > Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:
> > 
> > > In article <532fefd9$0$61371$c3e8da3$5e5e430d@news.astraweb.com>, JF
> > > Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote:
> > > > 
> > > <snip>
> > > > ... doesn't have the physical size to be a storage engine.
> > > > Having a file server product would complement the now diskless Mac
> > > > Pro and the iMacs that are going SSDs.
> > > 
> > > The Mac Mini Server already comes with two 1TB drives installed, which
> > > may be able to be user-upgraded to bigger drives.
> > 
> > Not really.
> > 
> > Drive replacement in the Mac Mini is not a task for which Apple has
> > supplied instructions so their intention is that drive replacement is
> > only done by authorised service agents.
> > 
> > The process of extracting the drives in the current body requires some
> > disassembly for the first drive and substantial disassembly for the
> > second drive.
> > 
> > There is limited scope for upgrading to bigger drives as the Mac Mini
> > uses 2.5" drive mechanisms. Capacity increases for 2.5" drives seem to
> > be taking a long time. The current Mac Mini came with 1 TB drives about
> > 18 months ago, and I can only find one larger capacity drive available
> > now as a bare mechanism: Hitachi has a 1.5 TB drive. Everyone else still
> > maxes out at 1 TB (ignoring WD's hybrid Black2, which doesn't support
> > Macs, and is only 1 TB HD + 120 MB SSD so the main benefit is speed).
> > 
> > The obvious method of expanding storage for a Mac Mini Server is to
> > connect an external multi-drive bay, same as every other current Mac.
> 
> I'm not sure where you're looking, but a quick Google search turns up
> quite a few 2TB 2.5" hard drives from Western Digital, Seagate, and
> others

External drives, yes.

Judging by a random sample I looked at, many of them appear to be dual 1
TB mechanisms inside a double height or double width enclosure. Some
might contain a 2 TB single drive but unusually thick, and for most of
them you can't buy a bare drive of that capacity.

For bare mechanisms:

http://www.seagate.com/au/en/internal-hard-drives/laptop-hard-drives/

Nothing above 1 TB from Seagate.

http://www.wdc.com/en/products/internal/mobile/

I see Western Digital mentions a 2 TB "Green" drive. It won't fit in
many computers due to the physical height of the mechanism (15 mm): the
limit is usually 12 mm or 9.5 mm. Even if it did fit, a "Green" drive
isn't particularly suitable as the startup drive. Other WD series max
out at 1 TB.

http://www.hgst.com/hard-drives/mobile-drives

One series goes up to 1.5 TB from Hitachi, and would fit in Macs
(9.5mm).

http://www.toshiba.com/us/accessories?Nr=OR(p_ProductOID:2000041509,p_ProductOID:2000041413,p_ProductOID:2000041414,p_ProductOID:2000041415)

Nothing from Toshiba larger than 1 TB in 2.5".

-- 
David Empson
dempson@actrix.gen.nz

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#58122

In message <1lj2gqg.7kq97s4za9d9N%dempson@actrix.gen.nz> 
  David Empson <dempson@actrix.gen.nz> wrote:
> Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:

>> In article <1lj2402.1yxtq771vwwymjN%dempson@actrix.gen.nz>, David
>> Empson <dempson@actrix.gen.nz> wrote:
>> 
>> > Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:
>> > 
>> > > In article <532fefd9$0$61371$c3e8da3$5e5e430d@news.astraweb.com>, JF
>> > > Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote:
>> > > > 
>> > > <snip>
>> > > > ... doesn't have the physical size to be a storage engine.
>> > > > Having a file server product would complement the now diskless Mac
>> > > > Pro and the iMacs that are going SSDs.
>> > > 
>> > > The Mac Mini Server already comes with two 1TB drives installed, which
>> > > may be able to be user-upgraded to bigger drives.
>> > 
>> > Not really.
>> > 
>> > Drive replacement in the Mac Mini is not a task for which Apple has
>> > supplied instructions so their intention is that drive replacement is
>> > only done by authorised service agents.
>> > 
>> > The process of extracting the drives in the current body requires some
>> > disassembly for the first drive and substantial disassembly for the
>> > second drive.
>> > 
>> > There is limited scope for upgrading to bigger drives as the Mac Mini
>> > uses 2.5" drive mechanisms. Capacity increases for 2.5" drives seem to
>> > be taking a long time. The current Mac Mini came with 1 TB drives about
>> > 18 months ago, and I can only find one larger capacity drive available
>> > now as a bare mechanism: Hitachi has a 1.5 TB drive. Everyone else still
>> > maxes out at 1 TB (ignoring WD's hybrid Black2, which doesn't support
>> > Macs, and is only 1 TB HD + 120 MB SSD so the main benefit is speed).
>> > 
>> > The obvious method of expanding storage for a Mac Mini Server is to
>> > connect an external multi-drive bay, same as every other current Mac.
>> 
>> I'm not sure where you're looking, but a quick Google search turns up
>> quite a few 2TB 2.5" hard drives from Western Digital, Seagate, and
>> others

> External drives, yes.

What do you think an external drive is, some magic version that only
works externally?

Besides, you are wrong, you can buy 2.5" 2TB bare drives.

For example: <http://www.amazon.com/2TB-SATA-Green-Drive-15mm/dp/B00H55RQ8W/>

> Judging by a random sample I looked at, many of them appear to be dual 1
> TB mechanisms inside a double height or double width enclosure. Some
> might contain a 2 TB single drive but unusually thick, and for most of
> them you can't buy a bare drive of that capacity.

You're wrong.

> I see Western Digital mentions a 2 TB "Green" drive. It won't fit in
> many computers due to the physical height of the mechanism (15 mm): the
> limit is usually 12 mm or 9.5 mm. Even if it did fit, a "Green" drive
> isn't particularly suitable as the startup drive. Other WD series max
> out at 1 TB.

So you even admit you are wrong, but continue to insist you are right?
Are you weasel-boy in disguise?

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#58138

Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:

> In message <1lj2gqg.7kq97s4za9d9N%dempson@actrix.gen.nz> 
>   David Empson <dempson@actrix.gen.nz> wrote:
> > Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:
> 
> >> In article <1lj2402.1yxtq771vwwymjN%dempson@actrix.gen.nz>, David
> >> Empson <dempson@actrix.gen.nz> wrote:
> >> 
> >> > There is limited scope for upgrading to bigger drives as the Mac Mini
> >> > uses 2.5" drive mechanisms. Capacity increases for 2.5" drives seem to
> >> > be taking a long time. The current Mac Mini came with 1 TB drives about
> >> > 18 months ago, and I can only find one larger capacity drive available
> >> > now as a bare mechanism: Hitachi has a 1.5 TB drive. Everyone else still
> >> > maxes out at 1 TB (ignoring WD's hybrid Black2, which doesn't support
> >> > Macs, and is only 1 TB HD + 120 MB SSD so the main benefit is speed).
> >> > 
> >> > The obvious method of expanding storage for a Mac Mini Server is to
> >> > connect an external multi-drive bay, same as every other current Mac.
> >> 
> >> I'm not sure where you're looking, but a quick Google search turns up
> >> quite a few 2TB 2.5" hard drives from Western Digital, Seagate, and
> >> others
> 
> > External drives, yes.
> 
> What do you think an external drive is, some magic version that only
> works externally?

I have seen claims that there are external 2.5" drives which have a
mechanism that can't be used internally, e.g. the USB interface goes
directly to the drive controller board and there is no SATA connector or
bridge board.

e.g. post #9 in this thread:

http://www.avforums.com/threads/removing-the-hard-drive-from-a-western-digital-my-passport-essential-se-1tb-2-5.1092720/

I haven't gone looking inside a recent drive to confirm this.

Even if the mechanism has SATA, extracting it will void the warranty,
and it might not fit internally.

Various reports from people who have opened up a 2012 Mac Mini say that
the supplied drives are 9.5 mm high and are a tight fit, so even a 12 mm
high mechanism won't fit.

The 2 TB external 2.5" drives which I checked (every one available from
my local supplier) are likely to have mechanisms which are at least 12
mm high, as their external dimensions are at least 14.5 mm high and most
are over 15 mm.

The only one we can be sure about is the Western Digital 15 mm drive.

Seagate must have a thinner 2 TB 2.5" drive (their thinnest enclosure
was 14.5 mm), but it is probably 12 mm, isn't sold as a bare drive and
it might not exist with a SATA interface.

> Besides, you are wrong, you can buy 2.5" 2TB bare drives.

One, yes, as I discovered after my earlier post and admitted in the
previous post. (I hadn't noticed it earlier because it isn't available
from my usual local supplier of computer parts, and isn't listed by OWC
as an option for upgrading the internal drive of a Mac Mini, so I didn't
know it existed until I looked at each of the manufacturer's web sites.)

The WD 2 TB Green drive won't fit in the current Mac Mini body.

The Hitachi 1.5 TB drive (Travelstar 5K1000) is 9.5 mm thick so should
fit. It appears to be the only drive currently available which could be
used to upgrade the internal capacity of the Mac Mini.

As I said, limited scope for upgrading the internal drive(s) to higher
capacities.

-- 
David Empson
dempson@actrix.gen.nz

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#58101

On 14-03-24 17:01, Your Name wrote:

> The Mac Mini Server already comes with two 1TB drives installed, which
> may be able to be user-upgraded to bigger drives.

That is barely enough for a workstation, let alone a server that serves
multiple machines.

The Mini is also heat constrained due to its enclosure. So you might not
be want to install faster/bigger hotter drives in there.

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#58104

On 2014-03-24, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote:
> On 14-03-24 17:01, Your Name wrote:
>
>> The Mac Mini Server already comes with two 1TB drives installed, which
>> may be able to be user-upgraded to bigger drives.
>
> That is barely enough for a workstation, let alone a server that serves
> multiple machines.

That's funny, my Mac Pro workstation does just fine with 480G. And my
Mac mini server does just fine with 500G. 

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I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead.

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#58106

In article <bpbrrqFk096U4@mid.individual.net>,
 Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:

> That's funny, my Mac Pro workstation does just fine with 480G. And my
> Mac mini server does just fine with 500G. 

My Mac Pro does just fine with 4 terabytes -- one in each bay.
-- 
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Pris' tongue is sticking out in in the wide shot after Batty has kissed her.
They have put back more tits into the Zhora dressing  room scene.
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#58111

In article <5330bc9a$0$47999$c3e8da3$5d8fb80f@news.astraweb.com>,
Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> wrote:
> In article <bpbrrqFk096U4@mid.individual.net>,
>  Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
> >
> > That's funny, my Mac Pro workstation does just fine with 480G. And my
> > Mac mini server does just fine with 500G. 
> 
> My Mac Pro does just fine with 4 terabytes -- one in each bay.

It's not a server, but my G3 PowerMac does just fine as a "workstation"
with only the original 6GB hard drive and an extra 120GB hard drive
(both internal, and no external drives), and still has lots of free
space left ... and I do some print work, so have some largish (but not
massive) image and document files.   :-)

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#58105

In message <53309d1c$0$61521$c3e8da3$f017e9df@news.astraweb.com> 
  JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote:
> On 14-03-24 17:01, Your Name wrote:

>> The Mac Mini Server already comes with two 1TB drives installed, which
>> may be able to be user-upgraded to bigger drives.

> That is barely enough for a workstation, let alone a server that serves
> multiple machines.

No, 2TB is a shedload of space for a server.

> The Mini is also heat constrained due to its enclosure. So you might not
> be want to install faster/bigger hotter drives in there.

"Heat constrained"? Where did you come up with that?


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#58109

In article <53309d1c$0$61521$c3e8da3$f017e9df@news.astraweb.com>, JF
Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote:
> On 14-03-24 17:01, Your Name wrote:
> > 
> > The Mac Mini Server already comes with two 1TB drives installed, which
> > may be able to be user-upgraded to bigger drives.
> 
> That is barely enough for a workstation, let alone a server that serves
> multiple machines.

It depends on the number of people, what you're using the server for,
etc. A computer with a hard drive of less than 1TB can easily be a
fileserver for a small business, but it's unlikely to work as a file
and application server for a video making business or one with
thousands of employees.



> The Mini is also heat constrained due to its enclosure. So you might not
> be want to install faster/bigger hotter drives in there.

I didn't say faster specifically because of potential heat issues. But
bigger capacities could work (although as David Empson pointed out, it
probably needs a proper service centre to install the drives rather
than a normal user).

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#58118

In article <532fefd9$0$61371$c3e8da3$5e5e430d@news.astraweb.com>, JF
Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote:
> 
> People were saying the Xserve sales were good. Jobs decided they were
> not and killed the server business.
> 
> So if Apple isn't happy with the future of Mac Mini, they could do what
> they did to the Xserve and just exit that market.
<snip>

By coinky-dink, this was in the recent batch of MacWorld junk emails ...

     Why Apple can't afford to ditch the Mac mini
     --------------------------------------------
     Could Apple discontinue the Mac mini? We think that 
     would be a big mistake.
<http://www.macworld.co.uk/opinion/mac/apple-shouldnt-ignore-mac-mini-35
07896/>

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#58120

On 14-03-25 02:16, Your Name wrote:
> http://www.macworld.co.uk/opinion/mac/apple-shouldnt-ignore-mac-mini-35
> 07896/


The article mentions Mac Mini as a games console. But to be credible,
wouldn't it have to have a mighty powerful graphics processor instead of
the "vanilla" built-in one ?

More importantly, isn't Apple-TV more likely to get game console role
than a Mac Mini ?

It si somewhat ironic that despite the failure of the "Cube", I could
see that form factor returning. A Mac Mini acting as file server, topped
by a number of 1TB SSDs to bring perhaps 6TB of storage.

Or stackable boxes, one of which would be a Mac Mini with storage
expansion boxes you could stack oabove it.

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#58121

In article <533148dd$0$55609$c3e8da3$b280bf18@news.astraweb.com>, JF
Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote:

> On 14-03-25 02:16, Your Name wrote:
> > http://www.macworld.co.uk/opinion/mac/apple-shouldnt-ignore-mac-mini-35
> > 07896/
> 
> 
> The article mentions Mac Mini as a games console. But to be credible,
> wouldn't it have to have a mighty powerful graphics processor instead of
> the "vanilla" built-in one ?
> 
> More importantly, isn't Apple-TV more likely to get game console role
> than a Mac Mini ?
> 
> It si somewhat ironic that despite the failure of the "Cube", I could
> see that form factor returning. A Mac Mini acting as file server, topped
> by a number of 1TB SSDs to bring perhaps 6TB of storage.
> 
> Or stackable boxes, one of which would be a Mac Mini with storage
> expansion boxes you could stack oabove it.

Well you can already do that. I have a miniStack v3 on top of mine, and
a cheapo Amazon DVD drive on top of that.

-- 
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with what Bob in accounting bought last year. Trace it back - they buy
Microsoft because the IBM Selectric didn't suck much" - P Seebach, afc

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#58123

In message <533148dd$0$55609$c3e8da3$b280bf18@news.astraweb.com> 
  JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote:
> On 14-03-25 02:16, Your Name wrote:
>> http://www.macworld.co.uk/opinion/mac/apple-shouldnt-ignore-mac-mini-35
>> 07896/

> The article mentions Mac Mini as a games console. But to be credible,
> wouldn't it have to have a mighty powerful graphics processor instead of
> the "vanilla" built-in one ?

No mini has ever been really suitable for gaming, but I will say that
the 2012 mini does play WoW just fine, albeit not great. I wouldn't want
to raid on it.

> More importantly, isn't Apple-TV more likely to get game console role
> than a Mac Mini ?

Maybe, if we get iOS app support on the Apple TV.

-- 
'Why is it all Mr Dibbler's films are set against the background of a
world gone mad?' said the dwarf.  Soll's eyes narrowed. 'Because Mr
Dibbler,' he growled, 'is a very observant man.' --Moving Pictures

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#58128

On 2014.03.25, 09:05 , Lewis wrote:
> Maybe, if we get iOS app support on the Apple TV.

No need.  As Steve Jobs said, OS s/w at Apple is portable across 
platforms by design.  They could (and probably do) run "Apple TV" on 
Macs just as they probably run full OS X on ARM processors.

-- 
    ... it may be that "in the cloud" really isn't the best term
    for the services these companies offer.  What they really
    want is to have us "on the leash."
                   -David Pogue, Scientific American, 2014.02

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#58127

On 2014.03.25, 05:14 , JF Mezei wrote:
> On 14-03-25 02:16, Your Name wrote:
>> http://www.macworld.co.uk/opinion/mac/apple-shouldnt-ignore-mac-mini-35
>> 07896/
>
>
> The article mentions Mac Mini as a games console. But to be credible,
> wouldn't it have to have a mighty powerful graphics processor instead of
> the "vanilla" built-in one ?

What makes you think they can't add a more powerful graphics processor 
in an update - especially if they do away with spinning disks and 
replace that with SSD-PCIe?

> More importantly, isn't Apple-TV more likely to get game console role
> than a Mac Mini ?

As I alluded in my other post there's the possibility that the new MM 
have "Apple TV" integrated (it's really just s/w).  But I could take 
your suggestion and the "Apple TV" could become more "OS X" like - even 
if running on ARM processors.  (The transition to ARM based Macs...)

>
> It si somewhat ironic that despite the failure of the "Cube", I could
> see that form factor returning. A Mac Mini acting as file server, topped
> by a number of 1TB SSDs to bring perhaps 6TB of storage.

What part of Thunderbolt did you miss?  For huge storage, Apple seem to 
be of the mind that it should be external.

>
> Or stackable boxes, one of which would be a Mac Mini with storage
> expansion boxes you could stack oabove it.

-- 
    ... it may be that "in the cloud" really isn't the best term
    for the services these companies offer.  What they really
    want is to have us "on the leash."
                   -David Pogue, Scientific American, 2014.02

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#58134

In message <esSdnWnUz94NAazOnZ2dnUVZ_hOdnZ2d@giganews.com> 
  Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote:
> On 2014.03.25, 05:14 , JF Mezei wrote:
>> On 14-03-25 02:16, Your Name wrote:
>>> http://www.macworld.co.uk/opinion/mac/apple-shouldnt-ignore-mac-mini-35
>>> 07896/
>>
>>
>> The article mentions Mac Mini as a games console. But to be credible,
>> wouldn't it have to have a mighty powerful graphics processor instead of
>> the "vanilla" built-in one ?

> What makes you think they can't add a more powerful graphics processor 
> in an update - especially if they do away with spinning disks and 
> replace that with SSD-PCIe?

>> More importantly, isn't Apple-TV more likely to get game console role
>> than a Mac Mini ?

> As I alluded in my other post there's the possibility that the new MM 
> have "Apple TV" integrated (it's really just s/w).  But I could take 
> your suggestion and the "Apple TV" could become more "OS X" like - even 
> if running on ARM processors.  (The transition to ARM based Macs...)

I would love to see a Mac with the Apple TV interface built in. I still
miss Front Row. Frankly, I would like to see them build the AppleTV in
across the line.

-- 
"I have not failed, I've just found 10,000 ways that won't work." -
Thomas Edison

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#58136

On 2014.03.25, 19:01 , Lewis wrote:
> a Mac with the Apple TV interface built in. I still
> miss Front Row. Frankly, I would like to see them build the AppleTV in
> across the line.

My recent setup is that I use my iMac as my Netflix "tuner" and I 
AirPlay the iMac to the AppleTV via ethernet.  HDMI from the AppleTV to 
the 1080p.  (Likewise if I have video to play from the Mac or a YouTube 
of any length to watch).

I have an Apple bluetooth keyboard and mouse to control the iMac from 
the "TV room".  Thus I can change browsers, turn on HMA to tunnel into 
the US if needed, and so on.

So I don't use the Apple TV as an Apple TV much any more (or at all for 
a few months now).  It's just an AirPlay terminal now.,

It's also less of a pain than the wd-rt router setup I was using.  That 
occasionally needed TLC to get it onto a server in the US (VPN).  That's 
been eliminated.

Tim Cook says something interesting is coming this year wrt Apple TV so 
we'll see (and I'd believe this to be much more than only the Comcast 
deal).  One article suggests Apple has Netflix in its sights.

-- 
    ... it may be that "in the cloud" really isn't the best term
    for the services these companies offer.  What they really
    want is to have us "on the leash."
                   -David Pogue, Scientific American, 2014.02

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#58140

In article <zaCdncUlNvSjjq_OnZ2dnUVZ_uudnZ2d@giganews.com>,
 Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote:

> Tim Cook says something interesting is coming this year wrt Apple TV so 
> we'll see (and I'd believe this to be much more than only the Comcast 
> deal).  One article suggests Apple has Netflix in its sights.

... and Apple will be more strict about enforcing geo-location than 
Netflix; you'll probably have to set up a new Apple ID from a US ip 
address, and even then they'd check your credit card details. Netflix 
don't care where you are, as long as they think they know where you are.

Even now, if I want the US Netflix via my VPN, I have to use a computer 
and a browser, rather than a set-top-box (like a Blu-ray player) because 
the latter is somehow locked to some strange DNS thingie and you can't 
even proxy through a VPN-connected computer the bastards. Another option 
is the Netflix app that comes with Windows 8.1, but it's still running 
on a computer and my ol' MacBook Pro running Firefox connected 
full-screen to Netflix does a fine job of HD.
-- 
Where's the Vangelis music?
Pris' tongue is sticking out in in the wide shot after Batty has kissed her.
They have put back more tits into the Zhora dressing  room scene.
  -- notes for Blade Runner

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#58141

Warren Oates: 
> Even now, if I want the US Netflix via my VPN, I have to use a computer 
> and a browser, rather than a set-top-box (like a Blu-ray player) because 
> the latter is somehow locked to some strange DNS thingie and you can't 
> even proxy through a VPN-connected computer the bastards.

But that isn't Netflix's fault, is it? Netflix would like to sell its
service to you without regard to where in the world you are. The issue
you are facing comes down to a matter of different entities holding the
rights to the same media in different countries. These entities do not
care about service or cooperation or digital anything, they care only
about guarding their properties.

Kind of like the low-down scum at Warner/Chappell Music claiming to own
the traditional song "Happy Birthday To You," aka "Happy Birthday."
Wanna sing it to a family member in a restaurant? No problem. That will
be $700, please. The copyright expires in 2016 in Europe but not until
2030 in the Corporate State of America.

-- 
I agree with almost everything that you have said and almost everything that
you will say in your entire life.

usenet *at* davidillig dawt cawm

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#58143

In article <260320140904407673%star@sky.net>, Davoud <star@sky.net> 
wrote:

> But that isn't Netflix's fault, is it? Netflix would like to sell its
> service to you without regard to where in the world you are. The issue
> you are facing comes down to a matter of different entities holding the
> rights to the same media in different countries. These entities do not
> care about service or cooperation or digital anything, they care only
> about guarding their properties.
> 

I know. "... the bastards" referred to Sony who sold me my (refurbished) 
Blu-ray player. I could set up a VPN on my router to get around that but 
I don't have the right kind of router.

> Kind of like the low-down scum at Warner/Chappell Music claiming to own
> the traditional song "Happy Birthday To You," aka "Happy Birthday."
> Wanna sing it to a family member in a restaurant? No problem. That will
> be $700, please. The copyright expires in 2016 in Europe but not until
> 2030 in the Corporate State of America.

Ah yes, the Hill sister. This dispute is still going on, I think:

<http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20130613/11165823451/filmmaker-finally-
aims-to-get-court-to-admit-that-happy-birthday-is-public-domain.shtml>

http://tinyurl.com/happy-Hill-sisters
-- 
Where's the Vangelis music?
Pris' tongue is sticking out in in the wide shot after Batty has kissed her.
They have put back more tits into the Zhora dressing  room scene.
  -- notes for Blade Runner

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