Groups | Search | Server Info | Keyboard shortcuts | Login | Register [http] [https] [nntp] [nntps]

Groups > comp.sys.mac.system > #58798 > unrolled thread

[NEWS} Be a Mac OS X Beta tester

Back to article view | Back to comp.sys.mac.system

Contents

  [NEWS} Be a Mac OS X Beta tester Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-04-23 09:14 +1200
    Re: [NEWS} Be a Mac OS X Beta tester billy@MIX.COM - 2014-04-22 22:44 +0000
      Re: [NEWS} Be a Mac OS X Beta tester Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-04-22 19:17 -0400
        Re: [NEWS} Be a Mac OS X Beta tester billy@MIX.COM - 2014-04-22 23:21 +0000
      Re: [NEWS} Be a Mac OS X Beta tester Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-04-23 19:17 +1200
        Re: [NEWS} Be a Mac OS X Beta tester Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-04-23 12:49 +0000
          Re: [NEWS} Be a Mac OS X Beta tester billy@MIX.COM - 2014-04-23 14:50 +0000
            Re: [NEWS} Be a Mac OS X Beta tester Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-04-24 09:22 +1200
              Re: [NEWS} Be a Mac OS X Beta tester billy@MIX.COM - 2014-04-24 02:22 +0000
                Re: [NEWS} Be a Mac OS X Beta tester Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-04-24 16:37 +1200
                  Re: [NEWS} Be a Mac OS X Beta tester Invid Fan <invid@loclanet.com> - 2014-04-24 13:19 -0400
                    Re: [NEWS} Be a Mac OS X Beta tester Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-04-25 09:17 +1200
    Re: [NEWS} Be a Mac OS X Beta tester Kevin McMurtrie <mcmurtrie@pixelmemory.us> - 2014-04-23 21:07 -0700
      Re: [NEWS} Be a Mac OS X Beta tester Leonard Blaisdell <leoblaisdell@sbcglobal.net> - 2014-04-23 23:41 -0700
        Re: [NEWS} Be a Mac OS X Beta tester Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-04-24 19:13 +1200
          Re: [NEWS} Be a Mac OS X Beta tester Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-04-24 20:55 +0000
            Re: [NEWS} Be a Mac OS X Beta tester nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-04-24 17:09 -0400
              Re: [NEWS} Be a Mac OS X Beta tester android <here@there.was> - 2014-04-24 23:19 +0200
            Re: [NEWS} Be a Mac OS X Beta tester Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-04-24 21:03 -0700
            Re: [NEWS} Be a Mac OS X Beta tester Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2014-05-10 19:20 +0200
              Re: [NEWS} Be a Mac OS X Beta tester Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-05-11 10:23 +1200
                Re: [NEWS} Be a Mac OS X Beta tester Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-05-11 15:36 +0000
        Re: [NEWS} Be a Mac OS X Beta tester Kevin McMurtrie <mcmurtrie@pixelmemory.us> - 2014-04-24 21:11 -0700
      Re: [NEWS} Be a Mac OS X Beta tester billy@MIX.COM - 2014-04-24 14:39 +0000
        Re: [NEWS} Be a Mac OS X Beta tester J Burns <burns4@nowhere.com> - 2014-04-25 01:40 -0400
          Re: [NEWS} Be a Mac OS X Beta tester billy@MIX.COM - 2014-04-25 14:15 +0000
            Re: [NEWS} Be a Mac OS X Beta tester J Burns <burns4@nowhere.com> - 2014-04-25 16:07 -0400
              Re: [NEWS} Be a Mac OS X Beta tester Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-04-27 21:40 +0000
                Re: [NEWS} Be a Mac OS X Beta tester J Burns <burns4@nowhere.com> - 2014-04-27 20:46 -0400
              Re: [NEWS} Be a Mac OS X Beta tester billy@MIX.COM - 2014-04-28 18:27 +0000
      Re: [NEWS} Be a Mac OS X Beta tester J Burns <burns4@nowhere.com> - 2014-04-24 23:02 -0400

Page 1 of 2  [1] 2  Next page →

#58798 — [NEWS} Be a Mac OS X Beta tester

Some of you thought you already were beat testers. ;-)
Well, now you can be an official one (still unpaid). This is from
MacRumors.com ...

    Apple Allowing Non-Developers to Apply for OS X Beta Program
    ------------------
    Alongside iOS 7.1.1, Apple has introduced a new OS X beta 
    program that will see non-developers given an opportunity to
    download OS X betas before they are released to the public.
    Previously, participating in OS X betas required a developer
    account, priced at $99 per year.
    https://appleseed.apple.com/sp/betaprogram

       "Join the OS X Beta Seed Program and accept the
        Beta Seed and Confidentiality Agreement. Apple
        will provide a Beta Access Utility for your Mac,
        which gives you access to pre-release versions
        of OS X in the Mac App Store Updates panel."

    Users can apply to join the beta program on Apple's new
    Appleseed Beta website, which allows users to apply using an
    Apple ID.Apple requires everyone who signs up to sign a
    confidentiality agreement, which prevents users from
    disclosing, publishing, or disseminating confidential 
    information to anyone not also enrolled in the Appleseed 
    program. 

    After agreeing to keep beta information confidential, Apple
    asks users to make a backup on their Macs before downloading
    a special Beta Access Utility App which allows a Mac to be
    enrolled for beta software updates. All updates will be
    delivered via the Mac App Store, similar to standard OS X
    updates.

[toc] | [next] | [standalone]

#58799

Your Name <YourName@yourisp.com> writes:

>     After agreeing to keep beta information confidential, Apple
>     asks users to make a backup on their Macs before downloading
>     a special Beta Access Utility App which allows a Mac to be
>     enrolled for beta software updates.

Highly recommended, because you can not back out after loading
the new (beta) versions.

Billy Y..
-- 
        sub     #'9+1   ,r0             ; convert ascii byte
	add     #9.+1   ,r0             ; to an integer
	bcc     20$                     ; not a number

[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]

#58801

On 2014.04.22, 18:44 , billy@MIX.COM wrote:
> Your Name <YourName@yourisp.com> writes:
>
>>      After agreeing to keep beta information confidential, Apple
>>      asks users to make a backup on their Macs before downloading
>>      a special Beta Access Utility App which allows a Mac to be
>>      enrolled for beta software updates.
>
> Highly recommended, because you can not back out after loading
> the new (beta) versions.

Can they be loaded into a VM?


-- 
"Big data can reduce anything to a single number,
  but you shouldn’t be fooled by the appearance of exactitude."
      -Gary Marcus and Ernest Davis, NYT, 2014.04.07

[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]

#58802

Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> asks
about MacOS beta versions:

> Can they be loaded into a VM?

Probably, although that might not be the best environment
to evaluate some of the changes in them.  I haven't tried
it...

Billy Y..
-- 
        sub     #'9+1   ,r0             ; convert ascii byte
	add     #9.+1   ,r0             ; to an integer
	bcc     20$                     ; not a number

[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]

#58804

In article <lj6rcc$57j$1@reader2.panix.com>, <billy@MIX.COM> wrote:
> Your Name <YourName@yourisp.com> writes:
> > 
> >     After agreeing to keep beta information confidential, Apple
> >     asks users to make a backup on their Macs before downloading
> >     a special Beta Access Utility App which allows a Mac to be
> >     enrolled for beta software updates.
> 
> Highly recommended, because you can not back out after loading
> the new (beta) versions.

I'd say only install it on a second drive / partition so you can
actually still use the computer normally by simply rebooting into the
non-Beat version.

[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]

#58806

In message <230420141917055349%YourName@YourISP.com> 
  Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:
> In article <lj6rcc$57j$1@reader2.panix.com>, <billy@MIX.COM> wrote:
>> Your Name <YourName@yourisp.com> writes:
>> > 
>> >     After agreeing to keep beta information confidential, Apple
>> >     asks users to make a backup on their Macs before downloading
>> >     a special Beta Access Utility App which allows a Mac to be
>> >     enrolled for beta software updates.
>> 
>> Highly recommended, because you can not back out after loading
>> the new (beta) versions.

> I'd say only install it on a second drive / partition so you can
> actually still use the computer normally by simply rebooting into the
> non-Beat version.

I've been running ${CURRENT_BETA} on my primary machine for a very long
time. Pretty much whenever there has been a seed since back in the days
of System 7.7 (What, you've never heard of System 7.7? Trust me, it
existed).

I've always had a second machine (or third, or fourth, &c) and my
primary machine has never been the machine doing most of the work
(that's always been a lesser Mac churning away on mundane tasks).

I've had very good luck, have kept plenty of backups, and have never had
anything I would consider a catastrophic failure from running a
developer seed of Mac system software.

-- 
Because you can't cotton to evil. No Sir. You have to smack evil on the
nose with the rolled-up newspaper of justice and say, 'Bad evil. Bad BAD
evil"'

[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]

#58807

Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> writes, quoting
Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com>:

> > I'd say only install it on a second drive / partition so you can
> > actually still use the computer normally by simply rebooting into the
> > non-Beat version.

This is not the kind of evaluation Apple (nor I) would call useful...

> I've been running ${CURRENT_BETA} on my primary machine for a very long
> time.

...as what matters is how it performs in the real world.

Billy Y..
-- 
        sub     #'9+1   ,r0             ; convert ascii byte
	add     #9.+1   ,r0             ; to an integer
	bcc     20$                     ; not a number

[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]

#58811

In article <lj8jvl$j0a$1@reader2.panix.com>, <billy@MIX.COM> wrote:
> Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com>:
> > 
> > I'd say only install it on a second drive / partition so you can
> > actually still use the computer normally by simply rebooting into the
> > non-Beat version.
> 
> This is not the kind of evaluation Apple (nor I) would call useful...

It's 100% legitmate and sensible solution, and makes no difference to
anything. You can Beta test the new OS and stil have a fully working OS
for doing real work when needed. 

Otherwise a flaw in the Beta could mean you have an expensive doorstop
until Apple gets around to releasing another update.

[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]

#58826

Your Name <YourName@yourisp.com> writes, quoting me:

> > > I'd say only install it on a second drive / partition so you can
> > > actually still use the computer normally by simply rebooting into the
> > > non-Beat version.
> > 
> > This is not the kind of evaluation Apple (nor I) would call useful...
> 
> It's 100% legitmate and sensible solution, and makes no difference to
> anything. You can Beta test the new OS and stil have a fully working OS
> for doing real work when needed. 

For the sake of anyone who might be misled by your profound ignorance
(not very likely, but just in case), no, it is not, and no, you can't.

Testing in a real-world production environment is very necessary here.

> Otherwise a flaw in the Beta could mean you have an expensive doorstop
> until Apple gets around to releasing another update.

For you, sure.  Everyone else would just restore their system from the
recommended backup.

Billy Y..
-- 
        sub     #'9+1   ,r0             ; convert ascii byte
	add     #9.+1   ,r0             ; to an integer
	bcc     20$                     ; not a number

[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]

#58840

In article <lj9sho$ls8$3@reader2.panix.com>, <billy@MIX.COM> wrote:

> Your Name <YourName@yourisp.com> writes, quoting me:
> 
> > > > I'd say only install it on a second drive / partition so you can
> > > > actually still use the computer normally by simply rebooting into the
> > > > non-Beat version.
> > > 
> > > This is not the kind of evaluation Apple (nor I) would call useful...
> > 
> > It's 100% legitmate and sensible solution, and makes no difference to
> > anything. You can Beta test the new OS and stil have a fully working OS
> > for doing real work when needed. 
> 
> For the sake of anyone who might be misled by your profound ignorance
> (not very likely, but just in case), no, it is not, and no, you can't.
> 
> Testing in a real-world production environment is very necessary here.

Geez, there are some ignorant prats on the Usenet newsgroups who live
in some weird fantasy world.  :-\

It's all very well if you've got spare time to "play" about, but
"testing" (i.e. the computer not working properly) is a bloody pain in
the backside when you trying to get work done.



> > Otherwise a flaw in the Beta could mean you have an expensive doorstop
> > until Apple gets around to releasing another update.
> 
> For you, sure.  Everyone else would just restore their system from the
> recommended backup.

Yep, so you waste extra time having to re-load your backup rather than
simply reboot ... good grief what a complete moron. Another imbecile
meets the killfile.  :-\

[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]

#58852

In article <240420141637331601%YourName@YourISP.com>, Your Name
<YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:

> In article <lj9sho$ls8$3@reader2.panix.com>, <billy@MIX.COM> wrote:
> 
> > Your Name <YourName@yourisp.com> writes, quoting me:
> > 
> > > > > I'd say only install it on a second drive / partition so you can
> > > > > actually still use the computer normally by simply rebooting into the
> > > > > non-Beat version.
> > > > 
> > > > This is not the kind of evaluation Apple (nor I) would call useful...
> > > 
> > > It's 100% legitmate and sensible solution, and makes no difference to
> > > anything. You can Beta test the new OS and stil have a fully working OS
> > > for doing real work when needed. 
> > 
> > For the sake of anyone who might be misled by your profound ignorance
> > (not very likely, but just in case), no, it is not, and no, you can't.
> > 
> > Testing in a real-world production environment is very necessary here.
> 
> Geez, there are some ignorant prats on the Usenet newsgroups who live
> in some weird fantasy world.  :-\
> 
> It's all very well if you've got spare time to "play" about, but
> "testing" (i.e. the computer not working properly) is a bloody pain in
> the backside when you trying to get work done.
> 
I think the point is, you shouldn't be beta testing if you're not going
to be using the OS the way you normally would, as the data would be
useless to Apple.

-- 
Chris Mack       "If we show any weakness, the monsters will get cocky!"
'Invid Fan'             - 'Yokai Monsters Along With Ghosts'

[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]

#58858

In article <240420141319509484%invid@loclanet.com>, Invid Fan
<invid@loclanet.com> wrote:
> In article <240420141637331601%YourName@YourISP.com>, Your Name
> <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:
> > In article <lj9sho$ls8$3@reader2.panix.com>, <billy@MIX.COM> wrote:
> > > Your Name <YourName@yourisp.com> writes, quoting me:
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > I'd say only install it on a second drive / partition so you can
> > > > > > actually still use the computer normally by simply rebooting into
> > > > > > the non-Beta version.
> > > > > 
> > > > > This is not the kind of evaluation Apple (nor I) would call useful...
> > > > 
> > > > It's 100% legitmate and sensible solution, and makes no difference to
> > > > anything. You can Beta test the new OS and stil have a fully working OS
> > > > for doing real work when needed. 
> > > 
> > > For the sake of anyone who might be misled by your profound ignorance
> > > (not very likely, but just in case), no, it is not, and no, you can't.
> > > 
> > > Testing in a real-world production environment is very necessary here.
> > 
> > Geez, there are some ignorant prats on the Usenet newsgroups who live
> > in some weird fantasy world.  :-\
> > 
> > It's all very well when you've got spare time to "play" about, but
> > "testing" (i.e. the computer not working properly) is a bloody pain in
> > the backside when you trying to get work done.
> 
> I think the point is, you shouldn't be beta testing if you're not going
> to be using the OS the way you normally would, as the data would be
> useless to Apple.

The point was as I said in the first place - so you can simply reboot
when you need a fully working system. Simple common sense, and no
different to having and restoring a backup, except it's a lot quicker.
Only a complete moron would install a potentially buggy and non-working
OS on their only computer and then expect it to work all the time.

I never said anything about signing up and then not using the beta
version.  :-\ No doubt some people will do that expecting to get the
latest secrets, but Apple isn't that stupid and the general public Beta
testers won't be given access to the secrets, just the improvements.

[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]

#58834

In article <230420140914036218%YourName@YourISP.com>,
 Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:

> Some of you thought you already were beat testers. ;-)
> Well, now you can be an official one (still unpaid). This is from
> MacRumors.com ...
> 
>     Apple Allowing Non-Developers to Apply for OS X Beta Program
>     ------------------
>     Alongside iOS 7.1.1, Apple has introduced a new OS X beta 
>     program that will see non-developers given an opportunity to
>     download OS X betas before they are released to the public.
>     Previously, participating in OS X betas required a developer
>     account, priced at $99 per year.
>     https://appleseed.apple.com/sp/betaprogram
> 
>        "Join the OS X Beta Seed Program and accept the
>         Beta Seed and Confidentiality Agreement. Apple
>         will provide a Beta Access Utility for your Mac,
>         which gives you access to pre-release versions
>         of OS X in the Mac App Store Updates panel."
> 
>     Users can apply to join the beta program on Apple's new
>     Appleseed Beta website, which allows users to apply using an
>     Apple ID.Apple requires everyone who signs up to sign a
>     confidentiality agreement, which prevents users from
>     disclosing, publishing, or disseminating confidential 
>     information to anyone not also enrolled in the Appleseed 
>     program. 
> 
>     After agreeing to keep beta information confidential, Apple
>     asks users to make a backup on their Macs before downloading
>     a special Beta Access Utility App which allows a Mac to be
>     enrolled for beta software updates. All updates will be
>     delivered via the Mac App Store, similar to standard OS X
>     updates.

Should I keep a backup on Time Machine, which constantly corrupts itself 
because the machine falls asleep while it's in progress and HFS 
journalling doesn't actually work, and can not be repaired by any 
utility because it has too much complexity?

(Reformatting yet another Time Machine sparsebundle backup as I write 
this...)

[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]

#58845

In article
<mcmurtrie-AA3673.21072423042014@c-61-68-245-199.per.connect.net.au>,
Kevin McMurtrie <mcmurtrie@pixelmemory.us> wrote:

> Should I keep a backup on Time Machine, which constantly corrupts itself 
> because the machine falls asleep while it's in progress and HFS 
> journalling doesn't actually work, and can not be repaired by any 
> utility because it has too much complexity?
> 
> (Reformatting yet another Time Machine sparsebundle backup as I write 
> this...)

Sigh. You used to be a major proponent for Macs. I delighted in your
wisdom way back with OS9 and before. Then Apple produced OSX. You
haven't been content since. No?

leo

[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]

#58846

In article <230420142341495471%leoblaisdell@sbcglobal.net>, Leonard
Blaisdell <leoblaisdell@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> In article
> <mcmurtrie-AA3673.21072423042014@c-61-68-245-199.per.connect.net.au>,
> Kevin McMurtrie <mcmurtrie@pixelmemory.us> wrote:
> > 
> > Should I keep a backup on Time Machine, which constantly corrupts itself 
> > because the machine falls asleep while it's in progress and HFS 
> > journalling doesn't actually work, and can not be repaired by any 
> > utility because it has too much complexity?
> > 
> > (Reformatting yet another Time Machine sparsebundle backup as I write 
> > this...)
> 
> Sigh. You used to be a major proponent for Macs. I delighted in your
> wisdom way back with OS9 and before. Then Apple produced OSX. You
> haven't been content since. No?

There was nothing wrong with Mac OS 9. If it wasn't for the useless
morons at Vodafone New Zealand and the increasing number of websites
unneccesarily doing "fancy" things, I'd probably still hapily be using
Mac OS 9 every day for my leisure and self-employed business.

Mac OS X 10.1 and the version of Firefox I was using were fine, but
10.2 and the newer version are a bit buggy.

[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]

#58856

In message <240420141913450733%YourName@YourISP.com> 
  Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:
> In article <230420142341495471%leoblaisdell@sbcglobal.net>, Leonard
> Blaisdell <leoblaisdell@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>> In article
>> <mcmurtrie-AA3673.21072423042014@c-61-68-245-199.per.connect.net.au>,
>> Kevin McMurtrie <mcmurtrie@pixelmemory.us> wrote:
>> > 
>> > Should I keep a backup on Time Machine, which constantly corrupts itself 
>> > because the machine falls asleep while it's in progress and HFS 
>> > journalling doesn't actually work, and can not be repaired by any 
>> > utility because it has too much complexity?
>> > 
>> > (Reformatting yet another Time Machine sparsebundle backup as I write 
>> > this...)
>> 
>> Sigh. You used to be a major proponent for Macs. I delighted in your
>> wisdom way back with OS9 and before. Then Apple produced OSX. You
>> haven't been content since. No?

> There was nothing wrong with Mac OS 9.

There were many many things wrong with Mac OS 9.


> Mac OS X 10.1 and the version of Firefox I was using were fine, but
> 10.2 and the newer version are a bit buggy.

Really, you're seriously claiming that 10.1 was better than the
following versions? Congrats, that's the dumbest thing I've heard today.


-- 
Qui me amat, amat et canem meam

[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]

#58857

In article <slrnlliuhq.da0.g.kreme@amelia.local>, Lewis
<g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:

> >> Sigh. You used to be a major proponent for Macs. I delighted in your
> >> wisdom way back with OS9 and before. Then Apple produced OSX. You
> >> haven't been content since. No?
> 
> > There was nothing wrong with Mac OS 9.
> 
> There were many many things wrong with Mac OS 9.

and many things right.

[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]

#58859

In article <240420141709544520%nospam@nospam.invalid>,
 nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:

> In article <slrnlliuhq.da0.g.kreme@amelia.local>, Lewis
> <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:
> 
> > >> Sigh. You used to be a major proponent for Macs. I delighted in your
> > >> wisdom way back with OS9 and before. Then Apple produced OSX. You
> > >> haven't been content since. No?
> > 
> > > There was nothing wrong with Mac OS 9.
> > 
> > There were many many things wrong with Mac OS 9.
> 
> and many things right.

right or wrong
without osx i wouldn't have been a macater
for long
-- 
teleportation kills
http://tinyurl.com/androidphotography

[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]

#58874

In article <slrnlliuhq.da0.g.kreme@amelia.local>, Lewis
<g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:

> > Mac OS X 10.1 and the version of Firefox I was using were fine, but
> > 10.2 and the newer version are a bit buggy.
> 
> Really, you're seriously claiming that 10.1 was better than the
> following versions? Congrats, that's the dumbest thing I've heard today.

He's been claiming that for years.

[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]

#59250

On 2014-04-24, Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:
> In message <240420141913450733%YourName@YourISP.com> 
>
>> Mac OS X 10.1 and the version of Firefox I was using were fine, but
>> 10.2 and the newer version are a bit buggy.
>
> Really, you're seriously claiming that 10.1 was better than the
> following versions? Congrats, that's the dumbest thing I've heard today.
>

Correct.  10.1 was so bad I was on the point of taking the machine back
to the shop and asking for my money back. 10.2 was a vast improvement and
10.3 was better yet.

-- 
Paul Sture

The final step of #heartbleed recovery is to call your mother, and advise
her to change her maiden name                                  -- @gojomo

[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]

Page 1 of 2  [1] 2  Next page →

Back to top | Article view | comp.sys.mac.system

csiph-web