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| Started by | nmassello@yahoo.com (Neill Massello) |
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| First post | 2015-01-19 16:50 -0700 |
| Last post | 2015-01-23 14:16 +0000 |
| Articles | 20 on this page of 220 — 21 participants |
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Gassee joins the fray nmassello@yahoo.com (Neill Massello) - 2015-01-19 16:50 -0700
Re: Gassee joins the fray Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-01-20 00:01 +0000
Re: Gassee joins the fray Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2015-01-19 22:18 -0500
Re: Gassee joins the fray Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-01-20 15:43 +0000
Re: Gassee joins the fray JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-01-20 11:16 -0500
Re: Gassee joins the fray Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-01-20 16:28 +0000
Re: Gassee joins the fray TaliesinSoft <taliesinsoft@me.com> - 2015-01-20 12:39 -0600
Re: Gassee joins the fray Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-01-21 06:18 +0000
Re: Gassee joins the fray Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> - 2015-01-20 14:05 -0500
Re: Gassee joins the fray Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-01-21 06:19 +0000
Re: Gassee joins the fray Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2015-01-20 19:53 -0500
Re: Gassee joins the fray Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-01-21 02:40 +0000
Re: Gassee joins the fray Lao-Ming Liu <laomingliu@gmail.com> - 2015-01-20 20:18 -0800
Re: Gassee joins the fray Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-01-21 04:42 +0000
Re: Gassee joins the fray Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-01-20 22:31 -0700
Re: Gassee joins the fray Oregonian Haruspex <bob_davis_retired@yahoo.com> - 2015-01-21 21:46 -0800
Re: Gassee joins the fray Lao-Ming Liu <laomingliu@gmail.com> - 2015-01-20 22:01 -0800
Re: Gassee joins the fray Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-01-20 23:12 -0700
Re: Gassee joins the fray Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2015-01-21 09:56 +0000
Re: Gassee joins the fray George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> - 2015-01-21 09:22 -0600
Re: Gassee joins the fray Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-01-21 15:49 +0000
Re: Gassee joins the fray JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-01-21 10:59 -0500
Re: Gassee joins the fray Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-01-21 16:29 +0000
Re: Gassee joins the fray Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-01-21 16:52 +0000
Re: Gassee joins the fray Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-01-21 17:06 +0000
Re: Gassee joins the fray nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-01-21 13:40 -0500
Re: Gassee joins the fray Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2015-01-21 19:02 +0000
Re: Gassee joins the fray nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-01-21 14:09 -0500
Re: Gassee joins the fray Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-01-21 19:23 +0000
Re: Gassee joins the fray Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-01-21 19:19 +0000
Re: Gassee joins the fray Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-01-21 19:46 +0000
Re: Gassee joins the fray Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-01-21 19:50 +0000
Re: Gassee joins the fray Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-01-21 20:43 +0000
Re: Gassee joins the fray Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-01-21 20:55 +0000
Re: Gassee joins the fray Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-01-21 14:00 -0700
Re: Gassee joins the fray Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-01-21 21:09 +0000
Re: Gassee joins the fray nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-01-21 16:14 -0500
Re: Gassee joins the fray Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-01-21 21:19 +0000
Re: Gassee joins the fray Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-01-21 23:53 +0000
Re: Gassee joins the fray Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-01-22 00:06 +0000
Re: Gassee joins the fray Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-01-21 13:55 -0700
Re: Gassee joins the fray Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-01-21 23:55 +0000
Re: Gassee joins the fray Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-01-21 17:41 -0700
Re: Gassee joins the fray nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-01-21 16:13 -0500
Re: Gassee joins the fray JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-01-21 16:10 -0500
Re: Gassee joins the fray Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-01-21 21:12 +0000
Re: Gassee joins the fray Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-01-21 23:57 +0000
Re: Gassee joins the fray dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2015-01-22 15:16 +1300
Re: Gassee joins the fray Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2015-01-22 11:59 -0500
Re: Gassee joins the fray Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-01-23 01:04 +0000
Re: Gassee joins the fray Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-01-23 03:04 +0000
Re: Gassee joins the fray dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2015-01-22 11:59 +1300
Re: Gassee joins the fray Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-01-21 23:17 +0000
Re: Gassee joins the fray "D.F. Manno" <dfmanno@mail.com> - 2015-01-22 20:42 -0500
Re: Gassee joins the fray JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-01-22 22:14 -0500
Re: Gassee joins the fray Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-01-23 03:52 +0000
Re: Gassee joins the fray Oregonian Haruspex <bob_davis_retired@yahoo.com> - 2015-01-22 22:14 -0800
Re: Gassee joins the fray Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-01-23 14:21 +0000
Re: Gassee joins the fray FPP <fredp151@gmail.com> - 2015-01-21 23:12 -0500
Re: Gassee joins the fray Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2015-01-24 18:42 -0500
Re: Gassee joins the fray Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2015-01-24 18:40 -0500
Re: Gassee joins the fray Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-01-25 02:53 +0000
Re: Gassee joins the fray Oregonian Haruspex <bob_davis_retired@yahoo.com> - 2015-01-21 21:36 -0800
Re: Gassee joins the fray Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-01-22 16:55 +0000
Re: Gassee joins the fray JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-01-22 12:14 -0500
Re: Gassee joins the fray Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-01-22 17:24 +0000
Re: Gassee joins the fray Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> - 2015-01-22 13:25 -0800
Re: Gassee joins the fray Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-01-22 22:05 +0000
Re: Gassee joins the fray Oregonian Haruspex <bob_davis_retired@yahoo.com> - 2015-01-22 22:06 -0800
Re: Gassee joins the fray Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-01-23 14:16 +0000
Re: Gassee joins the fray nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-01-23 13:44 -0500
Re: Gassee joins the fray Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2015-01-24 18:47 -0500
Re: Gassee joins the fray Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-01-25 02:57 +0000
Re: Gassee joins the fray Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-01-24 21:09 -0700
Re: Gassee joins the fray Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2015-01-25 09:30 -0500
Re: Gassee joins the fray sctvguy1 <sctvguy1@invalid.net> - 2015-01-25 16:19 +0000
Re: Gassee joins the fray Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-01-25 09:22 -0700
Re: Gassee joins the fray Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-01-26 11:09 +0000
Re: Gassee joins the fray Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-01-26 14:53 +0000
Re: Gassee joins the fray Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2015-01-22 12:14 -0500
Re: Gassee joins the fray Oregonian Haruspex <bob_davis_retired@yahoo.com> - 2015-01-22 22:03 -0800
Re: Gassee joins the fray Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> - 2015-01-23 00:00 -0800
Re: Gassee joins the fray JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-01-23 09:52 -0500
Re: Gassee joins the fray Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-01-23 15:13 +0000
Re: Gassee joins the fray Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2015-01-23 15:40 +0000
Re: Gassee joins the fray Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2015-01-23 11:28 -0500
Re: Gassee joins the fray nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-01-23 13:44 -0500
Re: Gassee joins the fray Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> - 2015-01-23 11:44 -0800
Re: Gassee joins the fray Oregonian Haruspex <bob_davis_retired@yahoo.com> - 2015-01-23 14:32 -0800
Re: Gassee joins the fray Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> - 2015-01-23 14:44 -0800
Re: Gassee joins the fray Oregonian Haruspex <bob_davis_retired@yahoo.com> - 2015-01-23 14:48 -0800
Re: Gassee joins the fray Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> - 2015-01-23 14:50 -0800
Re: Gassee joins the fray Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-01-23 23:15 +0000
Re: Gassee joins the fray nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-01-23 18:22 -0500
Re: Gassee joins the fray Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2015-01-24 10:56 +0000
Re: Gassee joins the fray Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> - 2015-01-24 11:05 -0800
Re: Gassee joins the fray JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-01-24 16:22 -0500
Re: Gassee joins the fray Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-01-24 21:51 +0000
Re: Gassee joins the fray Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2015-01-25 12:20 +1300
Re: Gassee joins the fray Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-01-25 02:38 +0000
Re: Gassee joins the fray Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> - 2015-01-24 15:32 -0800
Re: Gassee joins the fray Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-01-23 23:14 +0000
Re: Gassee joins the fray nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-01-23 18:22 -0500
Re: Gassee joins the fray Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-01-26 10:29 +0000
Re: Gassee joins the fray JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-01-24 15:35 -0500
Re: Gassee joins the fray Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> - 2015-01-24 12:38 -0800
Re: Gassee joins the fray Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-01-26 10:33 +0000
Re: Gassee joins the fray Oregonian Haruspex <bob_davis_retired@yahoo.com> - 2015-01-23 14:30 -0800
Re: Gassee joins the fray Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> - 2015-01-23 14:42 -0800
Re: Gassee joins the fray Oregonian Haruspex <bob_davis_retired@yahoo.com> - 2015-01-23 14:54 -0800
Re: Gassee joins the fray Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> - 2015-01-23 15:00 -0800
Re: Gassee joins the fray Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2015-01-24 08:50 -0500
Re: Gassee joins the fray Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2015-01-24 17:07 +0000
Re: Gassee joins the fray Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2015-01-24 16:35 -0500
Re: Gassee joins the fray sctvguy1 <sctvguy1@invalid.net> - 2015-01-25 00:03 +0000
Re: Gassee joins the fray Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2015-01-25 09:19 -0500
Re: Gassee joins the fray Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-01-23 23:13 +0000
Re: Gassee joins the fray Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-01-26 11:01 +0000
Re: Gassee joins the fray "D.F. Manno" <dfmanno@mail.com> - 2015-01-26 21:34 -0500
Re: Gassee joins the fray Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-01-23 23:07 +0000
Re: Gassee joins the fray nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-01-23 18:22 -0500
Re: Gassee joins the fray Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-01-23 14:12 +0000
Re: Gassee joins the fray JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-01-23 09:49 -0500
Re: Gassee joins the fray Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-01-23 15:08 +0000
Re: Gassee joins the fray JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-01-23 10:49 -0500
Re: Gassee joins the fray Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-01-23 16:18 +0000
Re: Gassee joins the fray JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-01-23 11:30 -0500
Re: Gassee joins the fray Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-01-23 16:55 +0000
Re: Gassee joins the fray JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-01-23 12:03 -0500
Re: Gassee joins the fray Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-01-23 17:07 +0000
Re: Gassee joins the fray nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-01-23 13:44 -0500
Re: Gassee joins the fray Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> - 2015-01-23 11:41 -0800
Re: Gassee joins the fray Oregonian Haruspex <bob_davis_retired@yahoo.com> - 2015-01-23 14:39 -0800
Re: Gassee joins the fray Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> - 2015-01-23 14:45 -0800
Re: Gassee joins the fray JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-01-24 16:19 -0500
Re: Gassee joins the fray Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-01-24 21:38 +0000
Re: Gassee joins the fray Oregonian Haruspex <bob_davis_retired@yahoo.com> - 2015-01-24 18:45 -0800
Re: Gassee joins the fray Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-01-25 03:04 +0000
Re: Gassee joins the fray Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-01-23 11:17 -0700
Re: Gassee joins the fray nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-01-23 13:44 -0500
Re: Gassee joins the fray Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-01-23 18:46 +0000
Re: Gassee joins the fray dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2015-01-24 10:46 +1300
Re: Gassee joins the fray Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2015-01-24 10:54 +0000
Re: Gassee joins the fray Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-01-24 13:55 +0000
Re: Gassee joins the fray nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-01-24 10:42 -0500
Re: Gassee joins the fray JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-01-24 16:14 -0500
Re: Gassee joins the fray Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-01-25 03:54 +0000
Re: Gassee joins the fray sctvguy1 <sctvguy1@invalid.net> - 2015-01-23 17:34 +0000
Re: Gassee joins the fray Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-01-23 17:49 +0000
Re: Gassee joins the fray sctvguy1 <sctvguy1@invalid.net> - 2015-01-23 18:05 +0000
Re: Gassee joins the fray Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-01-23 18:37 +0000
Re: Gassee joins the fray Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-01-23 11:41 -0700
Re: Gassee joins the fray Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-01-23 18:43 +0000
Re: Gassee joins the fray Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2015-01-23 14:13 -0500
Re: Gassee joins the fray Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-01-23 12:23 -0700
Re: Gassee joins the fray Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-01-23 19:28 +0000
Re: Gassee joins the fray Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-01-26 10:58 +0000
Re: Gassee joins the fray Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-01-26 10:58 +0000
Re: Gassee joins the fray Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-01-26 14:46 +0000
Re: Gassee joins the fray sctvguy1 <sctvguy1@invalid.net> - 2015-01-23 20:46 +0000
Re: Gassee joins the fray Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2015-01-24 10:17 +1300
Re: Gassee joins the fray Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2015-01-23 14:05 -0500
Re: Gassee joins the fray Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-01-23 19:08 +0000
Re: Gassee joins the fray Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-01-23 11:20 -0700
Re: Gassee joins the fray Oregonian Haruspex <bob_davis_retired@yahoo.com> - 2015-01-23 14:40 -0800
Re: Gassee joins the fray Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-01-23 18:23 -0700
Re: Gassee joins the fray Oregonian Haruspex <bob_davis_retired@yahoo.com> - 2015-01-23 18:21 -0800
Re: Gassee joins the fray Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-01-23 20:50 -0700
Re: Gassee joins the fray Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2015-01-24 10:15 +1300
Re: Gassee joins the fray sctvguy1 <sctvguy1@invalid.net> - 2015-01-23 23:19 +0000
Re: Gassee joins the fray Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2015-01-24 13:16 +1300
Re: Gassee joins the fray Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2015-01-24 08:48 -0500
Re: Gassee joins the fray Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2015-01-24 09:20 +0000
Re: Gassee joins the fray Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2015-01-23 15:38 +0000
Re: Gassee joins the fray Oregonian Haruspex <bob_davis_retired@yahoo.com> - 2015-01-23 14:36 -0800
Re: Gassee joins the fray Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> - 2015-01-23 14:45 -0800
Re: Gassee joins the fray Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-01-23 23:17 +0000
Re: Gassee joins the fray JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-01-24 17:14 -0500
Re: Gassee joins the fray Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-01-24 22:37 +0000
Re: Gassee joins the fray Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2015-01-25 12:24 +1300
Re: Gassee joins the fray Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-01-26 10:40 +0000
Re: Gassee joins the fray nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-01-26 13:39 -0500
Re: Gassee joins the fray nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-01-23 18:22 -0500
Re: Gassee joins the fray Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-01-23 18:22 -0700
Re: Gassee joins the fray Oregonian Haruspex <bob_davis_retired@yahoo.com> - 2015-01-23 18:21 -0800
Re: Gassee joins the fray nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-01-23 22:05 -0500
Re: Gassee joins the fray Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-01-23 20:46 -0700
Re: Gassee joins the fray Oregonian Haruspex <bob_davis_retired@yahoo.com> - 2015-01-23 19:55 -0800
Re: Gassee joins the fray Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-01-23 21:05 -0700
Re: Gassee joins the fray Oregonian Haruspex <bob_davis_retired@yahoo.com> - 2015-01-23 20:57 -0800
Re: Gassee joins the fray Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> - 2015-01-23 21:01 -0800
Re: Gassee joins the fray nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-01-24 00:12 -0500
Re: Gassee joins the fray Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2015-01-24 18:31 +1300
Re: Gassee joins the fray Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-01-23 23:17 -0700
Re: Gassee joins the fray Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2015-01-24 08:52 -0500
Re: Gassee joins the fray Oregonian Haruspex <bob_davis_retired@yahoo.com> - 2015-01-24 18:40 -0800
Re: Gassee joins the fray Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-01-25 03:03 +0000
Re: Gassee joins the fray Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2015-01-25 09:27 -0500
Re: Gassee joins the fray sctvguy1 <sctvguy1@invalid.net> - 2015-01-26 01:50 +0000
Re: Gassee joins the fray Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2015-01-25 22:25 -0500
Re: Gassee joins the fray JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-01-25 14:56 -0500
Re: Gassee joins the fray Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-01-25 20:19 +0000
Re: Gassee joins the fray "D.F. Manno" <dfmanno@mail.com> - 2015-01-26 21:55 -0500
Re: Gassee joins the fray Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> - 2015-01-23 20:07 -0800
Re: Gassee joins the fray nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-01-23 23:57 -0500
Re: Gassee joins the fray Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-01-26 10:45 +0000
Re: Gassee joins the fray "D.F. Manno" <dfmanno@mail.com> - 2015-01-26 21:52 -0500
Re: Gassee joins the fray Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-01-26 10:37 +0000
Re: Gassee joins the fray "D.F. Manno" <dfmanno@mail.com> - 2015-01-26 21:49 -0500
Re: Gassee joins the fray Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2015-01-23 11:26 -0500
Re: Gassee joins the fray Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2015-01-24 10:20 +1300
Re: Gassee joins the fray Oregonian Haruspex <bob_davis_retired@yahoo.com> - 2015-01-23 14:43 -0800
Re: Gassee joins the fray Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> - 2015-01-23 14:48 -0800
Re: Gassee joins the fray Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-01-26 10:56 +0000
Re: Gassee joins the fray nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-01-23 13:44 -0500
Re: Gassee joins the fray "D.F. Manno" <dfmanno@mail.com> - 2015-01-22 20:37 -0500
Re: Gassee joins the fray nmassello@yahoo.com (Neill Massello) - 2015-01-22 20:55 -0700
Re: Gassee joins the fray Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-01-23 03:59 +0000
Re: Gassee joins the fray Oregonian Haruspex <bob_davis_retired@yahoo.com> - 2015-01-22 22:09 -0800
Re: Gassee joins the fray Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-01-23 14:16 +0000
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| From | Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> |
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| Date | 2015-01-26 10:40 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <slrnmcc6df.v83.g.kreme@kreme.eternal-september.org> |
| In reply to | #68894 |
Okay, so one time? In band camp? JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> was all, like: > One solution was a package: Get Steve Jobs back along with rights to an > OS that can be used to replace MacOS. I suspect the two cane together as > a package. Revisionist bullshit. When Apple bought NeXT, Jobs was not part of the purchase. He was busy with a little company he'd named Pixar and had no interest in coming back to Apple. > But getting a Unix core wasn't a compromise, it was an advantage since > Apple could pursue not only the Mac Installed base but also the Next > and other Unix installed bases. The number of Next and Unix users was even smaller than the number of Mac users, and was of no consideration whatsoever. -- http://2blog.kreme.com
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| From | nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> |
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| Date | 2015-01-26 13:39 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <260120151339509562%nospam@nospam.invalid> |
| In reply to | #68994 |
In article <slrnmcc6df.v83.g.kreme@kreme.eternal-september.org>, Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote: > > One solution was a package: Get Steve Jobs back along with rights to an > > OS that can be used to replace MacOS. I suspect the two cane together as > > a package. > > Revisionist bullshit. When Apple bought NeXT, Jobs was not part of the > purchase. He was busy with a little company he'd named Pixar and had no > interest in coming back to Apple. jobs absolutely was part of the purchase. > > But getting a Unix core wasn't a compromise, it was an advantage since > > Apple could pursue not only the Mac Installed base but also the Next > > and other Unix installed bases. > > The number of Next and Unix users was even smaller than the number of > Mac users, and was of no consideration whatsoever. true.
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| From | nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> |
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| Date | 2015-01-23 18:22 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <230120151822546787%nospam@nospam.invalid> |
| In reply to | #68804 |
In article <m9uict$83v$1@dont-email.me>, Oregonian Haruspex <bob_davis_retired@yahoo.com> wrote: > >> Apple is targetting the hipster Starbucks crowd, not the IT geeks who > >> know Unix. Another example of the Unix side no longer being pushed, > >> Apple no longer includes X windows with OS-X. > > > > Good thing too. > > It was the Unix geek that bought an OS X machine before anybody else > did. no it wasn't. > It was a Unix geek that wrote the programs, no it wasn't. > it was a Unix geek > that got hired at Apple to improve the system, no it wasn't. > it was a Unix geek that > got his whole family onto OS X, no it wasn't. > and it will be a Unix geek who undoes > Apple's hopes of growing its desktop market share, if Apple doesn't get > its shit together. no it won't. > Apple didn't have to put a user-accessible Unix into OS X (or any Unix > at all). This was a deliberate decision by Steve to court the computer > geeks out there, because they - not the Starbucks hipsters - are the > ones who initiate the long-term trends in the computer world. they did if they wanted to sell something. look at linux marketshare, or actually the lack of it. apple *had* to put a quality interface on top of unix to make a sellable product and 99% of buyers don't know nor care what unix is anyway. apple could replace the unix layer entirely and almost nobody would notice a difference. users want to get work done not waste their time screwing with the os itself.
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| From | Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> |
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| Date | 2015-01-23 18:22 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <230120151822053879%michelle@michelle.org> |
| In reply to | #68804 |
In article <m9uict$83v$1@dont-email.me>, Oregonian Haruspex <bob_davis_retired@yahoo.com> wrote: > It was the Unix geek that bought an OS X machine before anybody else > did. Wrong. There were a lot of us who had Macs running Mac OS 9.x who started running OS X right away, and many more who started running OS X 10.0 as soon as it came out. The vast majority of us didn't know didley squat about unix. > Apple didn't have to put a user-accessible Unix into OS X (or any Unix > at all). This was a deliberate decision by Steve to court the computer > geeks out there, because they - not the Starbucks hipsters - are the > ones who initiate the long-term trends in the computer world. OS X is based on the NeXT operating system, which is based on unix. OS X put the Mac UI on top of unix. (Yes, this is a gross simplification, but it seems that you need a gross simplification to understand it.)
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| From | Oregonian Haruspex <bob_davis_retired@yahoo.com> |
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| Date | 2015-01-23 18:21 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <m9uvhh$6ud$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #68832 |
On 2015-01-24 01:22:05 +0000, Michelle Steiner said: > In article <m9uict$83v$1@dont-email.me>, Oregonian Haruspex > <bob_davis_retired@yahoo.com> wrote: > >> It was the Unix geek that bought an OS X machine before anybody else >> did. > > Wrong. There were a lot of us who had Macs running Mac OS 9.x who > started running OS X right away, and many more who started running OS X > 10.0 as soon as it came out. The vast majority of us didn't know > didley squat about unix. A lot of people running OS 9 did indeed upgrade to OS X, but only after OS X was introduced did we see huge year-on-year growth in terms of the install base. The Mac had been consistently declining in market share for years and years before that. >> Apple didn't have to put a user-accessible Unix into OS X (or any Unix >> at all). This was a deliberate decision by Steve to court the computer >> geeks out there, because they - not the Starbucks hipsters - are the >> ones who initiate the long-term trends in the computer world. > > OS X is based on the NeXT operating system, which is based on unix. OS > X put the Mac UI on top of unix. (Yes, this is a gross simplification, > but it seems that you need a gross simplification to understand it.) You might think so but I was a Nextstep (on an HP PA-RISC system) user before I used OS X. OS X in fact started with the System 9 UI in Rhapsody, and then they decided to move to a jellied ice cube theme for the release. However, there's almost nothing in common between the look-n-feel of OS X and OS 9. The idea of UI continuity was abandoned after the Rhapsody betas. I know you think you're being cute but there's no need to be insulting. Your need to add a gradeschool level insult betrays the shallowness of your argument here.
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| From | nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> |
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| Date | 2015-01-23 22:05 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <230120152205368503%nospam@nospam.invalid> |
| In reply to | #68835 |
In article <m9uvhh$6ud$1@dont-email.me>, Oregonian Haruspex <bob_davis_retired@yahoo.com> wrote: > >> It was the Unix geek that bought an OS X machine before anybody else > >> did. > > > > Wrong. There were a lot of us who had Macs running Mac OS 9.x who > > started running OS X right away, and many more who started running OS X > > 10.0 as soon as it came out. The vast majority of us didn't know > > didley squat about unix. > > A lot of people running OS 9 did indeed upgrade to OS X, but only after > OS X was introduced did we see huge year-on-year growth in terms of the > install base. The Mac had been consistently declining in market share > for years and years before that. mostly windows switchers, particularly after the intel transition, when macs could run windows apps natively alongside native mac apps or dual-boot for just windows. *that* is when sales started to spike up. > >> Apple didn't have to put a user-accessible Unix into OS X (or any Unix > >> at all). This was a deliberate decision by Steve to court the computer > >> geeks out there, because they - not the Starbucks hipsters - are the > >> ones who initiate the long-term trends in the computer world. > > > > OS X is based on the NeXT operating system, which is based on unix. OS > > X put the Mac UI on top of unix. (Yes, this is a gross simplification, > > but it seems that you need a gross simplification to understand it.) > > You might think so but I was a Nextstep (on an HP PA-RISC system) user > before I used OS X. OS X in fact started with the System 9 UI in > Rhapsody, and then they decided to move to a jellied ice cube theme for > the release. However, there's almost nothing in common between the > look-n-feel of OS X and OS 9. The idea of UI continuity was abandoned > after the Rhapsody betas. os x is a combination of nextstep/openstep and classic mac os. > I know you think you're being cute but there's no need to be insulting. > Your need to add a gradeschool level insult betrays the shallowness of > your argument here. you might want to look in a mirror.
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| From | Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> |
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| Date | 2015-01-23 20:46 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <230120152046142826%michelle@michelle.org> |
| In reply to | #68835 |
In article <m9uvhh$6ud$1@dont-email.me>, Oregonian Haruspex <bob_davis_retired@yahoo.com> wrote: > On 2015-01-24 01:22:05 +0000, Michelle Steiner said: > > > In article <m9uict$83v$1@dont-email.me>, Oregonian Haruspex > > <bob_davis_retired@yahoo.com> wrote: > > > >> It was the Unix geek that bought an OS X machine before anybody else > >> did. > > > > Wrong. There were a lot of us who had Macs running Mac OS 9.x who > > started running OS X right away, and many more who started running OS X > > 10.0 as soon as it came out. The vast majority of us didn't know > > didley squat about unix. > > A lot of people running OS 9 did indeed upgrade to OS X, but only after > OS X was introduced did we see huge year-on-year growth in terms of the > install base. The Mac had been consistently declining in market share > for years and years before that. So, was it because of the capabilities of OS X that people who didn't know squat about unix bought, or was it because they knew that they could run bare unix? Although there were some of the latter, I submit that the majority were of the former. > > OS X is based on the NeXT operating system, which is based on unix. OS > > X put the Mac UI on top of unix. (Yes, this is a gross simplification, > > but it seems that you need a gross simplification to understand it.) > > You might think so but I was a Nextstep (on an HP PA-RISC system) user > before I used OS X. OS X in fact started with the System 9 UI in > Rhapsody, and then they decided to move to a jellied ice cube theme for > the release. However, there's almost nothing in common between the > look-n-feel of OS X and OS 9. The idea of UI continuity was abandoned > after the Rhapsody betas. There is plenty of the OS 9 interface in OS X. As I recall, the reason Apple dropped Rhapsody is that users and developers objected to the Blue Box/Yellow Box paradigm. > I know you think you're being cute but there's no need to be insulting. Oh, only you can be insulting?
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| From | Oregonian Haruspex <bob_davis_retired@yahoo.com> |
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| Date | 2015-01-23 19:55 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <m9v524$qnt$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #68840 |
On 2015-01-24 03:46:14 +0000, Michelle Steiner said: > In article <m9uvhh$6ud$1@dont-email.me>, Oregonian Haruspex > <bob_davis_retired@yahoo.com> wrote: > >> On 2015-01-24 01:22:05 +0000, Michelle Steiner said: >> >>> In article <m9uict$83v$1@dont-email.me>, Oregonian Haruspex >>> <bob_davis_retired@yahoo.com> wrote: >>> >>>> It was the Unix geek that bought an OS X machine before anybody else >>>> did. >>> >>> Wrong. There were a lot of us who had Macs running Mac OS 9.x who >>> started running OS X right away, and many more who started running OS X >>> 10.0 as soon as it came out. The vast majority of us didn't know >>> didley squat about unix. >> >> A lot of people running OS 9 did indeed upgrade to OS X, but only after >> OS X was introduced did we see huge year-on-year growth in terms of the >> install base. The Mac had been consistently declining in market share >> for years and years before that. > > So, was it because of the capabilities of OS X that people who didn't > know squat about unix bought, or was it because they knew that they > could run bare unix? Although there were some of the latter, I submit > that the majority were of the former. It was because of the combination of a really good UI / GUI layer (essentially Nextstep with new graphics) and a nice geek-friendly Unix underbelly that OS X was successful. These people weren't the majority, but they were the ones who wrote (and still write) the OS X software, who got their families to use the OS, and so on. >>> OS X is based on the NeXT operating system, which is based on unix. OS >>> X put the Mac UI on top of unix. (Yes, this is a gross simplification, >>> but it seems that you need a gross simplification to understand it.) >> >> You might think so but I was a Nextstep (on an HP PA-RISC system) user >> before I used OS X. OS X in fact started with the System 9 UI in >> Rhapsody, and then they decided to move to a jellied ice cube theme for >> the release. However, there's almost nothing in common between the >> look-n-feel of OS X and OS 9. The idea of UI continuity was abandoned >> after the Rhapsody betas. > > There is plenty of the OS 9 interface in OS X. As I recall, the reason > Apple dropped Rhapsody is that users and developers objected to the > Blue Box/Yellow Box paradigm. Developers used the Yellow Box and Blue Box. They were called Classic Mode and Carbon. >> I know you think you're being cute but there's no need to be insulting. > > Oh, only you can be insulting? I didn't call you any names sweetie.
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| From | Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> |
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| Date | 2015-01-23 21:05 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <230120152105040648%michelle@michelle.org> |
| In reply to | #68842 |
In article <m9v524$qnt$1@dont-email.me>, Oregonian Haruspex <bob_davis_retired@yahoo.com> wrote: > > There is plenty of the OS 9 interface in OS X. As I recall, the reason > > Apple dropped Rhapsody is that users and developers objected to the > > Blue Box/Yellow Box paradigm. > > Developers used the Yellow Box and Blue Box. They were called Classic > Mode and Carbon. Not the same; Cocoa and Carbon replaced the yellow and blue boxes, which gave the OS one interface instead of the two that the colored boxes required. > >> I know you think you're being cute but there's no need to be > insulting. > > > > Oh, only you can be insulting? > > I didn't call you any names sweetie. Only those whom you insulted first are allowed to insult you? Once you started insulting people, you made yourself fair game, darling.
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| From | Oregonian Haruspex <bob_davis_retired@yahoo.com> |
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| Date | 2015-01-23 20:57 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <m9v8nm$489$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #68843 |
On 2015-01-24 04:05:04 +0000, Michelle Steiner said: > In article <m9v524$qnt$1@dont-email.me>, Oregonian Haruspex > <bob_davis_retired@yahoo.com> wrote: > >>> There is plenty of the OS 9 interface in OS X. As I recall, the reason >>> Apple dropped Rhapsody is that users and developers objected to the >>> Blue Box/Yellow Box paradigm. >> >> Developers used the Yellow Box and Blue Box. They were called Classic >> Mode and Carbon. > > Not the same; Cocoa and Carbon replaced the yellow and blue boxes, > which gave the OS one interface instead of the two that the colored > boxes required. The interfaces were glaringly different even to a user when using Carbon or Classic apps. To a developer even moreso. >>>> I know you think you're being cute but there's no need to be >> insulting. >>> >>> Oh, only you can be insulting? >> >> I didn't call you any names sweetie. > > Only those whom you insulted first are allowed to insult you? Once you > started insulting people, you made yourself fair game, darling. Who did I insult "first" in this thread or any other? I don't go there first.
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| From | Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> |
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| Date | 2015-01-23 21:01 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <m9v8v4$q22$1@news.datemas.de> |
| In reply to | #68846 |
On 2015-01-24 04:57:58 +0000, Oregonian Haruspex said: > On 2015-01-24 04:05:04 +0000, Michelle Steiner said: > >> In article <m9v524$qnt$1@dont-email.me>, Oregonian Haruspex >> <bob_davis_retired@yahoo.com> wrote: >> >>>> There is plenty of the OS 9 interface in OS X. As I recall, the reason >>>> Apple dropped Rhapsody is that users and developers objected to the >>>> Blue Box/Yellow Box paradigm. >>> >>> Developers used the Yellow Box and Blue Box. They were called Classic >>> Mode and Carbon. >> >> Not the same; Cocoa and Carbon replaced the yellow and blue boxes, >> which gave the OS one interface instead of the two that the colored >> boxes required. > > The interfaces were glaringly different even to a user when using > Carbon or Classic apps. To a developer even moreso. Let's see if you can simply admit you were wrong...
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| From | nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> |
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| Date | 2015-01-24 00:12 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <240120150012315370%nospam@nospam.invalid> |
| In reply to | #68846 |
In article <m9v8nm$489$1@dont-email.me>, Oregonian Haruspex <bob_davis_retired@yahoo.com> wrote: > >>> There is plenty of the OS 9 interface in OS X. As I recall, the reason > >>> Apple dropped Rhapsody is that users and developers objected to the > >>> Blue Box/Yellow Box paradigm. > >> > >> Developers used the Yellow Box and Blue Box. They were called Classic > >> Mode and Carbon. > > > > Not the same; Cocoa and Carbon replaced the yellow and blue boxes, > > which gave the OS one interface instead of the two that the colored > > boxes required. > > The interfaces were glaringly different even to a user when using > Carbon or Classic apps. To a developer even moreso. that's because carbon was os x native and classic was os 9. that's a glaring difference. as far as developers, the apis weren't all that different. carbon was a subset of classic mac os with some minor changes. for some apps, it was relatively easy to migrate.
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| From | Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> |
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| Date | 2015-01-24 18:31 +1300 |
| Message-ID | <240120151831395179%YourName@YourISP.com> |
| In reply to | #68846 |
In article <m9v8nm$489$1@dont-email.me>, Oregonian Haruspex <bob_davis_retired@yahoo.com> wrote: > On 2015-01-24 04:05:04 +0000, Michelle Steiner said: > > In article <m9v524$qnt$1@dont-email.me>, Oregonian Haruspex > > <bob_davis_retired@yahoo.com> wrote: > > > >>> There is plenty of the OS 9 interface in OS X. As I recall, the reason > >>> Apple dropped Rhapsody is that users and developers objected to the > >>> Blue Box/Yellow Box paradigm. > >> > >> Developers used the Yellow Box and Blue Box. They were called Classic > >> Mode and Carbon. > > > > Not the same; Cocoa and Carbon replaced the yellow and blue boxes, > > which gave the OS one interface instead of the two that the colored > > boxes required. > > The interfaces were glaringly different even to a user when using > Carbon or Classic apps. To a developer even moreso. There's very little real difference between Mac OS 9 and early versions of Mac OS X ... a few bits moved around, and of course the candy colour theme. The biggest difference is of course the Dock (although via third-party developers, you could use something like A-Dock to add that to OS 9 as well). Most of my clients changed systems as they upgraded computers with little or no problems at all, and quite a few are older users with no geeky-tech interest at all and/or business users who simply want to get their work done.
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| From | Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> |
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| Date | 2015-01-23 23:17 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <230120152317216901%michelle@michelle.org> |
| In reply to | #68846 |
In article <m9v8nm$489$1@dont-email.me>, Oregonian Haruspex <bob_davis_retired@yahoo.com> wrote: > > Not the same; Cocoa and Carbon replaced the yellow and blue boxes, > > which gave the OS one interface instead of the two that the colored > > boxes required. > > The interfaces were glaringly different even to a user when using > Carbon or Classic apps. To a developer even moreso. Carbon is one of Apple Inc.'s C-based application programming interfaces (APIs) for the Macintosh operating system. Carbon provided a good degree of backward compatibility for programs that ran on the now-obsolete Mac OS 8 and 9. Developers could use the Carbon APIs to port their "classic" Mac software to the Mac OS X platform with far less effort than a port to the entirely different Cocoa system which originated in OpenStep. With the purchase of NeXT in late 1996, Apple developed a new operating system strategy based largely on the existing OpenStep platform. The new Rhapsody was relatively simple, it retained most of OpenStep's existing object libraries under the name "Yellow Box", ported OpenStep's existing GUI to make it look more Mac-like and less NeXT-like, ported several major APIs from the Mac OS to Rhapsody's underlying Unix-like system (notably QuickTime and AppleSearch), and added an emulator known as the "Blue Box" that ran existing Mac OS software. When this plan was unveiled at the Worldwide Developers Conference in 1997 there was some push-back from existing Mac OS developers, who were upset that their code bases would effectively be locked into an emulator that was unlikely to ever be updated. They took to calling the Blue Box the "penalty box".[citation needed] Larger developers like Microsoft and Adobe balked outright, and refused to consider porting to OpenStep, which was so different from the existing Mac OS that there was little or no portability. Apple took these concerns to heart. When Steve Jobs announced this change in direction at the 1998 WWDC, he stated that "what developers really wanted was a modern version of the Mac OS, and Apple [was] going to deliver it". The statement was met with thunderous applause. The original Rhapsody concept was eventually released in 1999 as Mac OS X Server 1.0, the only release of its type. In order to offer a real and well supported upgrade path for existing Mac OS code bases, Apple introduced the Carbon system. Carbon consists of many libraries and functions that offer a Mac-like API, but running on top of the underlying Unix-like OS, rather than a copy of the Mac OS running in emulation. The Carbon libraries are extensively cleaned up, modernized and better "protected". While the Mac OS was filled with APIs that shared memory to pass data, under Carbon all such access was re-implemented using accessor subroutines on opaque data types. This allowed Carbon to support true multitasking and memory protection, features Mac developers had been requesting for a decade. Other changes from the pre-existing API removed features which were conceptually incompatible with Mac OS X, or simply obsolete. For example, applications could no longer install interrupt handlers or device drivers. In order to support Carbon, the entire Rhapsody model of the OS changed. Whereas Rhapsody would effectively be OpenStep with an emulator, under the new system both the OpenStep and Carbon would, where possible, share common code. To do this, many of the useful bits of code from the lower-levels of the OpenStep system, known as Foundation, were re-implemented in a pure-C form. This code became known as Core Foundation, or CF for short. A version of the Yellow Box ported to call CF became the new Cocoa (API), and the Mac-like calls of Carbon also called the same functions. Under the new system, Carbon and Cocoa were peers. This conversion would normally have slowed the performance of Cocoa as the object methods called into the underlying C libraries, but Apple used a technique they called toll-free bridging to reduce this impact. As part of this conversion, Apple also ported the graphics engine from the license-encumbered Display PostScript to the licence-free Quartz. Quartz provided native calls that could be used from either Carbon or Cocoa, as well as offering Java 2D-like interfaces as well. The underlying operating system itself was further isolated and released as the Darwin (operating system).
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| From | Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2015-01-24 08:52 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <54c3a3aa$0$19905$c3e8da3$33881b6a@news.astraweb.com> |
| In reply to | #68846 |
In article <m9v8nm$489$1@dont-email.me>, Oregonian Haruspex <bob_davis_retired@yahoo.com> wrote: > On 2015-01-24 04:05:04 +0000, Michelle Steiner said: > > > In article <m9v524$qnt$1@dont-email.me>, Oregonian Haruspex > > <bob_davis_retired@yahoo.com> wrote: > > > >>> There is plenty of the OS 9 interface in OS X. As I recall, the reason > >>> Apple dropped Rhapsody is that users and developers objected to the > >>> Blue Box/Yellow Box paradigm. > >> > >> Developers used the Yellow Box and Blue Box. They were called Classic > >> Mode and Carbon. > > > > Not the same; Cocoa and Carbon replaced the yellow and blue boxes, > > which gave the OS one interface instead of the two that the colored > > boxes required. > > The interfaces were glaringly different even to a user when using > Carbon or Classic apps. To a developer even moreso. > > >>>> I know you think you're being cute but there's no need to be > >> insulting. > >>> > >>> Oh, only you can be insulting? > >> > >> I didn't call you any names sweetie. > > > > Only those whom you insulted first are allowed to insult you? Once you > > started insulting people, you made yourself fair game, darling. > > Who did I insult "first" in this thread or any other? I don't go there first. Ooh ooh, mr retired, insult me next i love it when you're forceful -- Where's the Vangelis music? Pris' tongue is sticking out in in the wide shot after Batty has kissed her. They have put back more tits into the Zhora dressing room scene. -- notes for Blade Runner
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| From | Oregonian Haruspex <bob_davis_retired@yahoo.com> |
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| Date | 2015-01-24 18:40 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <ma1l2q$fhf$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #68859 |
On 2015-01-24 13:52:41 +0000, Warren Oates said: > In article <m9v8nm$489$1@dont-email.me>, > Oregonian Haruspex <bob_davis_retired@yahoo.com> wrote: > >> On 2015-01-24 04:05:04 +0000, Michelle Steiner said: >> >>> In article <m9v524$qnt$1@dont-email.me>, Oregonian Haruspex >>> <bob_davis_retired@yahoo.com> wrote: >>> >>>>> There is plenty of the OS 9 interface in OS X. As I recall, the reason >>>>> Apple dropped Rhapsody is that users and developers objected to the >>>>> Blue Box/Yellow Box paradigm. >>>> >>>> Developers used the Yellow Box and Blue Box. They were called Classic >>>> Mode and Carbon. >>> >>> Not the same; Cocoa and Carbon replaced the yellow and blue boxes, >>> which gave the OS one interface instead of the two that the colored >>> boxes required. >> >> The interfaces were glaringly different even to a user when using >> Carbon or Classic apps. To a developer even moreso. >> >>>>>> I know you think you're being cute but there's no need to be >>>> insulting. >>>>> >>>>> Oh, only you can be insulting? >>>> >>>> I didn't call you any names sweetie. >>> >>> Only those whom you insulted first are allowed to insult you? Once you >>> started insulting people, you made yourself fair game, darling. >> >> Who did I insult "first" in this thread or any other? I don't go there first. > > Ooh ooh, mr retired, insult me next i love it when you're forceful This just seems to prove my suspicion that you're not just an ardent Apple defender (perhaps reputation manager would be more apt) but also a troll.
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| From | Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> |
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| Date | 2015-01-25 03:03 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <cij4oeFn0i3U6@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #68917 |
On 2015-01-25, Oregonian Haruspex <bob_davis_retired@yahoo.com> wrote: > On 2015-01-24 13:52:41 +0000, Warren Oates said: > >> Ooh ooh, mr retired, insult me next i love it when you're forceful > > This just seems to prove my suspicion that you're not just an ardent > Apple defender (perhaps reputation manager would be more apt) but also > a troll. Keep the tin foil hat on tightly! -- E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my ravenous SPAM filter. I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead. JR
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| From | Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2015-01-25 09:27 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <54c4fd5d$0$32451$c3e8da3$cc4fe22d@news.astraweb.com> |
| In reply to | #68917 |
In article <ma1l2q$fhf$1@dont-email.me>, Oregonian Haruspex <bob_davis_retired@yahoo.com> wrote: > This just seems to prove my suspicion that you're not just an ardent > Apple defender (perhaps reputation manager would be more apt) but also > a troll. Wrong vampire, dude. -- Where's the Vangelis music? Pris' tongue is sticking out in in the wide shot after Batty has kissed her. They have put back more tits into the Zhora dressing room scene. -- notes for Blade Runner
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| From | sctvguy1 <sctvguy1@invalid.net> |
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| Date | 2015-01-26 01:50 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <ma46hq$nbs$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #68932 |
On Sun, 25 Jan 2015 09:27:41 -0500, Warren Oates wrote: > In article <ma1l2q$fhf$1@dont-email.me>, > Oregonian Haruspex <bob_davis_retired@yahoo.com> wrote: > >> This just seems to prove my suspicion that you're not just an ardent >> Apple defender (perhaps reputation manager would be more apt) but also >> a troll. > > Wrong vampire, dude. WHOOEEEEEEEEEEEEE! Do you suck that thar' blood! ,,,Google www.suckinbloodinthegreatlandmass.com Are you sittin' on the couch eatin' popcorn?
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| From | Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2015-01-25 22:25 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <54c5b3b3$0$31378$c3e8da3$a9097924@news.astraweb.com> |
| In reply to | #68979 |
In article <ma46hq$nbs$1@dont-email.me>, sctvguy1 <sctvguy1@invalid.net> wrote: > On Sun, 25 Jan 2015 09:27:41 -0500, Warren Oates wrote: > > > In article <ma1l2q$fhf$1@dont-email.me>, > > Oregonian Haruspex <bob_davis_retired@yahoo.com> wrote: > > > >> This just seems to prove my suspicion that you're not just an ardent > >> Apple defender (perhaps reputation manager would be more apt) but also > >> a troll. > > > > Wrong vampire, dude. > > WHOOEEEEEEEEEEEEE! Do you suck that thar' blood! > ,,,Google www.suckinbloodinthegreatlandmass.com > Are you sittin' on the couch eatin' popcorn? Who exactly do you think I am? -- Where's the Vangelis music? Pris' tongue is sticking out in in the wide shot after Batty has kissed her. They have put back more tits into the Zhora dressing room scene. -- notes for Blade Runner
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