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  Warning: Magic Mouse on Snow Leopard JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2013-12-21 00:11 -0500
    Re: Warning: Magic Mouse on Snow Leopard bob <rcp27g@gmail.com> - 2013-12-21 16:19 +0000
      Re: Warning: Magic Mouse on Snow Leopard JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2013-12-21 15:16 -0500
        Re: Warning: Magic Mouse on Snow Leopard Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-12-22 10:10 +1300
          Re: Warning: Magic Mouse on Snow Leopard Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-12-22 11:14 +1300
    Re: Warning: Magic Mouse on Snow Leopard Jim Gibson <jimsgibson@gmail.com> - 2013-12-23 10:54 -0800
      Re: Warning: Magic Mouse on Snow Leopard dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2013-12-24 11:55 +1100
        Re: Warning: Magic Mouse on Snow Leopard Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> - 2013-12-23 20:36 -0500
          Re: Warning: Magic Mouse on Snow Leopard Martin Frost me at invalid stanford daht edu <nospam@stanford.edu.invalid> - 2013-12-23 18:54 -0800
            Re: Warning: Magic Mouse on Snow Leopard dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2014-01-14 15:12 +1100
              Re: Warning: Magic Mouse on Snow Leopard dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2014-01-14 17:47 +1300
                Re: Warning: Magic Mouse on Snow Leopard dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2014-01-14 17:09 +1100
                  Re: Warning: Magic Mouse on Snow Leopard dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2014-01-14 18:30 +1100
                  Re: Warning: Magic Mouse on Snow Leopard erilar <drache@chibardun.net.invalid> - 2014-01-14 11:35 -0600
                    Re: Warning: Magic Mouse on Snow Leopard dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2014-01-15 07:31 +1100
              Re: Warning: Magic Mouse on Snow Leopard Kevin McMurtrie <mcmurtrie@pixelmemory.us> - 2014-01-13 22:21 -0800
                Re: Warning: Magic Mouse on Snow Leopard dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2014-01-14 18:27 +1100
                Re: Warning: Magic Mouse on Snow Leopard erilar <drache@chibardun.net.invalid> - 2014-01-14 11:32 -0600
                Re: Warning: Magic Mouse on Snow Leopard Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-01-15 17:18 +0000
              Re: Warning: Magic Mouse on Snow Leopard erilar <drache@chibardun.net.invalid> - 2014-01-14 11:31 -0600
          Re: Warning: Magic Mouse on Snow Leopard dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2013-12-24 14:04 +1100
            Re: Warning: Magic Mouse on Snow Leopard Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> - 2013-12-24 00:48 -0500
              Re: Warning: Magic Mouse on Snow Leopard Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-12-24 19:07 +1300
              Re: Warning: Magic Mouse on Snow Leopard dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2013-12-24 18:53 +1100

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#53588 — Warning: Magic Mouse on Snow Leopard

Bought a second 2TB drive for my MacPro so I can move to 2TB drives with
a full backup.

To do the install, I booted from the original Snow Leopard install DVD.

Magic Mouse does not work.  Had to plug in one of the many Mighty Mouse
I have in a bag (none of which had the ball working, but still work as a
basic mouse) to get to the menus to choose the disk util.

So, just a word of warning if you are ever in a situation where you need
to boot off the SL DVD, you need a wired mouse.

Question:

Can I generate a boot disk from snow leopard, one which would included
updated drivers and disk utility etc ? (not not the whole system drive). ?

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#53599

On 2013-12-21 05:11:47 +0000, JF Mezei said:

> Bought a second 2TB drive for my MacPro so I can move to 2TB drives with
> a full backup.
> 
> To do the install, I booted from the original Snow Leopard install DVD.
> 
> Magic Mouse does not work.  Had to plug in one of the many Mighty Mouse
> I have in a bag (none of which had the ball working, but still work as a
> basic mouse) to get to the menus to choose the disk util.
> 
> So, just a word of warning if you are ever in a situation where you need
> to boot off the SL DVD, you need a wired mouse.
> 
> Question:
> 
> Can I generate a boot disk from snow leopard, one which would included
> updated drivers and disk utility etc ? (not not the whole system drive). ?

Interesting, which verions?  I ask because I installed my mac mini from 
a Snow Leopard DVD and had no problem with a magic mouse/wireless 
keyboard.  That was one of the later (perhaps last) versions of the 
Snow Leopard DVDs (not sure if it was 10.6.8, but definitely a later 
point release), so this may be dependent on which particular version of 
disk you have.

Robin

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#53610

On 13-12-21 11:19, bob wrote:

> Interesting, which verions?  I ask because I installed my mac mini from 
> a Snow Leopard DVD and had no problem with a magic mouse/wireless 
> keyboard.  That was one of the later (perhaps last) versions of the 
> Snow Leopard DVDs (not sure if it was 10.6.8, but definitely a later 
> point release), 

It was the first Snow Leopard DVD so I guess 10.6.0

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#53614

In article <52b5f709$0$12542$c3e8da3$69010069@news.astraweb.com>, JF
Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote:
> On 13-12-21 11:19, bob wrote:
> >
> > Interesting, which verions?  I ask because I installed my mac mini from 
> > a Snow Leopard DVD and had no problem with a magic mouse/wireless 
> > keyboard.  That was one of the later (perhaps last) versions of the 
> > Snow Leopard DVDs (not sure if it was 10.6.8, but definitely a later 
> > point release), 
> 
> It was the first Snow Leopard DVD so I guess 10.6.0

The specifications for the Magic Mouse on Apple's website state the
minimum OS requirements as:

     10.5.8 or later with Wireless Mouse Software Update 1.0
  or 10.6.1 or later with Wireless Mouse Software Update 1.0

If you can create a boot disk with the Wireless Mouse Software Update
1.0 (or newer version if there is one) already installed, then it would
likely work.

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#53620

In article <221220131010082023%YourName@YourISP.com>, Your Name
<YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:

> In article <52b5f709$0$12542$c3e8da3$69010069@news.astraweb.com>, JF
> Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote:
> > On 13-12-21 11:19, bob wrote:
> > >
> > > Interesting, which verions?  I ask because I installed my mac mini from 
> > > a Snow Leopard DVD and had no problem with a magic mouse/wireless 
> > > keyboard.  That was one of the later (perhaps last) versions of the 
> > > Snow Leopard DVDs (not sure if it was 10.6.8, but definitely a later 
> > > point release), 
> > 
> > It was the first Snow Leopard DVD so I guess 10.6.0
> 
> The specifications for the Magic Mouse on Apple's website state the
> minimum OS requirements as:
> 
>      10.5.8 or later with Wireless Mouse Software Update 1.0
>   or 10.6.1 or later with Wireless Mouse Software Update 1.0
> 
> If you can create a boot disk with the Wireless Mouse Software Update
> 1.0 (or newer version if there is one) already installed, then it would
> likely work.

Opps, sorry, that should obviously have said if you can create a boot
disk with *10.6.1 and* the Wireless Mouse Software Update 1.0 (or newer
version if there is one) already installed.

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#53718

In article <52b52314$0$10286$c3e8da3$9b4ff22a@news.astraweb.com>, JF
Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote:

> Bought a second 2TB drive for my MacPro so I can move to 2TB drives with
> a full backup.
> 
> To do the install, I booted from the original Snow Leopard install DVD.
> 
> Magic Mouse does not work.  Had to plug in one of the many Mighty Mouse
> I have in a bag (none of which had the ball working, but still work as a
> basic mouse) to get to the menus to choose the disk util.
> 
> So, just a word of warning if you are ever in a situation where you need
> to boot off the SL DVD, you need a wired mouse.

Over this past weekend I installed Snow Leopard on a Mac Pro (1,1) from
the original disk and had no problem using the Magic Mouse.

-- 
Jim Gibson

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#53725

In article <231220131054487236%jimsgibson@gmail.com>,
 Jim Gibson <jimsgibson@gmail.com> wrote:

> In article <52b52314$0$10286$c3e8da3$9b4ff22a@news.astraweb.com>, JF
> Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote:
> 
> > Bought a second 2TB drive for my MacPro so I can move to 2TB drives with
> > a full backup.
> > 
> > To do the install, I booted from the original Snow Leopard install DVD.
> > 
> > Magic Mouse does not work.  Had to plug in one of the many Mighty Mouse
> > I have in a bag (none of which had the ball working, but still work as a
> > basic mouse) to get to the menus to choose the disk util.
> > 
> > So, just a word of warning if you are ever in a situation where you need
> > to boot off the SL DVD, you need a wired mouse.
> 
> Over this past weekend I installed Snow Leopard on a Mac Pro (1,1) from
> the original disk and had no problem using the Magic Mouse.

The only issue that is a little bothersome with this mouse that I have 
found is that when I turn it off (rarely), I seem to need to restart 
the OS for the cursor to come back, turning it back on does not do it. 
There are perhaps other ways to accomplish this from Sys Prefs but 
have not explored this.

-- 
dorayme

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#53727

In article <do_ray_me-202EDB.11555024122013@news.albasani.net>,
 dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> wrote:

> In article <231220131054487236%jimsgibson@gmail.com>,
>  Jim Gibson <jimsgibson@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> > In article <52b52314$0$10286$c3e8da3$9b4ff22a@news.astraweb.com>, JF
> > Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote:
> > 
> > > Bought a second 2TB drive for my MacPro so I can move to 2TB drives with
> > > a full backup.
> > > 
> > > To do the install, I booted from the original Snow Leopard install DVD.
> > > 
> > > Magic Mouse does not work.  Had to plug in one of the many Mighty Mouse
> > > I have in a bag (none of which had the ball working, but still work as a
> > > basic mouse) to get to the menus to choose the disk util.
> > > 
> > > So, just a word of warning if you are ever in a situation where you need
> > > to boot off the SL DVD, you need a wired mouse.
> > 
> > Over this past weekend I installed Snow Leopard on a Mac Pro (1,1) from
> > the original disk and had no problem using the Magic Mouse.
> 
> The only issue that is a little bothersome with this mouse that I have 
> found is that when I turn it off (rarely), I seem to need to restart 
> the OS for the cursor to come back, turning it back on does not do it. 
> There are perhaps other ways to accomplish this from Sys Prefs but 
> have not explored this.

I've been using Magic Mouse with Snow Leopard for years, and never had 
that problem. After turning the mouse off and on (mostly just when 
changing the batteries) I have to click it a few times and it will 
reconnect.

-- 
Barry Margolin, barmar@alum.mit.edu
Arlington, MA
*** PLEASE post questions in newsgroups, not directly to me ***

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#53736

Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> writes:

> In article <do_ray_me-202EDB.11555024122013@news.albasani.net>,
>  dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> wrote:
> 
> > In article <231220131054487236%jimsgibson@gmail.com>,
> >  Jim Gibson <jimsgibson@gmail.com> wrote:
> > 
> > > In article <52b52314$0$10286$c3e8da3$9b4ff22a@news.astraweb.com>, JF
> > > Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote:
> > > 
> > > > To do the install, I booted from the original Snow Leopard install DVD.
> > > > 
> > > > Magic Mouse does not work.  Had to plug in one of the many
> > > > Mighty Mouse I have in a bag (none of which had the ball
> > > > working, but still work as a basic mouse) to get to the menus
> > > > to choose the disk util.
> > > > 
> > > > So, just a word of warning if you are ever in a situation
> > > > where you need to boot off the SL DVD, you need a wired mouse.
> > > 
> > > Over this past weekend I installed Snow Leopard on a Mac Pro (1,1) from
> > > the original disk and had no problem using the Magic Mouse.
> > 
> > The only issue that is a little bothersome with this mouse that I have 
> > found is that when I turn it off (rarely), I seem to need to restart 
> > the OS for the cursor to come back, turning it back on does not do it. 
> > There are perhaps other ways to accomplish this from Sys Prefs but 
> > have not explored this.
> 
> I've been using Magic Mouse with Snow Leopard for years, and never had 
> that problem. After turning the mouse off and on (mostly just when 
> changing the batteries) I have to click it a few times and it will 
> reconnect.

Yes, that's the trick.  Click the Magic Mouse after changing batteries.

(You can also reconnect from System Prefs/Mouse if you have that open,
but clicking the mouse is easier.)

Don't know why that's necessary.  One doesn't have to type on an Apple
wireless keyboard to make it reconnect after the batteries are
changed, so does one have to "click" the Magic Trackpad in that
situation for it to reconnect.  Maybe they managed to avoid the
mouse's issue when they created the keyboard and trackpad....

Martin

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#54720

In article <myob476jra.fsf@Sunburn.Stanford.EDU>,
 Martin Frost me at invalid stanford daht edu 
 <nospam@stanford.edu.invalid> wrote:

> Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> writes:
> 
> > In article <do_ray_me-202EDB.11555024122013@news.albasani.net>,
> >  dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> wrote:
> > 
> > > In article <231220131054487236%jimsgibson@gmail.com>,
> > >  Jim Gibson <jimsgibson@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > 
> > > > In article <52b52314$0$10286$c3e8da3$9b4ff22a@news.astraweb.com>, JF
> > > > Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > > To do the install, I booted from the original Snow Leopard install 
> > > > > DVD.
> > > > > 
> > > > > Magic Mouse does not work.  Had to plug in one of the many
> > > > > Mighty Mouse I have in a bag (none of which had the ball
> > > > > working, but still work as a basic mouse) to get to the menus
> > > > > to choose the disk util.
> > > > > 
> > > > > So, just a word of warning if you are ever in a situation
> > > > > where you need to boot off the SL DVD, you need a wired mouse.
> > > > 
> > > > Over this past weekend I installed Snow Leopard on a Mac Pro (1,1) from
> > > > the original disk and had no problem using the Magic Mouse.
> > > 
> > > The only issue that is a little bothersome with this mouse that I have 
> > > found is that when I turn it off (rarely), I seem to need to restart 
> > > the OS for the cursor to come back, turning it back on does not do it. 
> > > There are perhaps other ways to accomplish this from Sys Prefs but 
> > > have not explored this.
> > 
> > I've been using Magic Mouse with Snow Leopard for years, and never had 
> > that problem. After turning the mouse off and on (mostly just when 
> > changing the batteries) I have to click it a few times and it will 
> > reconnect.
> 
> Yes, that's the trick.  Click the Magic Mouse after changing batteries.
> 
> (You can also reconnect from System Prefs/Mouse if you have that open,
> but clicking the mouse is easier.)
> 
> Don't know why that's necessary.  One doesn't have to type on an Apple
> wireless keyboard to make it reconnect after the batteries are
> changed, so does one have to "click" the Magic Trackpad in that
> situation for it to reconnect.  Maybe they managed to avoid the
> mouse's issue when they created the keyboard and trackpad....
> 

....

As it happens, today the mouse just stopped working, put in new 
batteries, (twice, even measured the voltage and they are all new), no 
cursor! Now even restart does not bring it back. The trackpad on MB 
still operates fine, so does an old tethered USB Apple Pro which I am 
forced now to use again.

The little green light on my MM flashes continuuously for a very few 
secs when turned on, then intermittently in regular pattern (I think 
this is normal). 

I note that Bluetooth: Not Available is greyed out in the BT icon to 
the right top on my screen, also that there is no BT options in my Sys 
Prefs? Are the options triggered by a properly transmitting BT device? 
If so, some thing seems to have happened to my mouse? Never been 
dropped or anything and is not all that old. Before contacted Apple 
where I bought it, anyone got any suggestions?

-- 
dorayme

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#54721

dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> wrote:

> As it happens, today the mouse just stopped working, put in new 
> batteries, (twice, even measured the voltage and they are all new), no
> cursor! Now even restart does not bring it back. The trackpad on MB 
> still operates fine, so does an old tethered USB Apple Pro which I am
> forced now to use again.
> 
> The little green light on my MM flashes continuuously for a very few 
> secs when turned on, then intermittently in regular pattern (I think 
> this is normal). 
> 
> I note that Bluetooth: Not Available is greyed out in the BT icon to 
> the right top on my screen, also that there is no BT options in my Sys
> Prefs? Are the options triggered by a properly transmitting BT device?

No, they are triggered by the availability of Bluetooth hardware support
in the Mac. You should have Bluetooth available in System Preferences
even if you have no Bluetooth peripherals in range.

Have a look in System Profiler > Bluetooth, which reveals your
computer's hardware support for Bluetooth. If you get a message claiming
there is no Bluetooth, then something is wrong with your Mac's Bluetooth
hardware (or possibly the drivers for it). I'd suggest restarting but I
see you already tried that.

With recent Macs (and I think all Intel Macs) you should also see a
"Bluetooth USB Host Controller" item listed as a USB peripheral under
the USB category in System Profiler.

In some Macs (notably a Mac Mini) I've experienced intermittent
disappearance of the Bluetooth USB host controler which may have been
heat related. It only happened a couple of times and came back after a
restart.

> If so, some thing seems to have happened to my mouse? Never been 
> dropped or anything and is not all that old. Before contacted Apple 
> where I bought it, anyone got any suggestions?

No evidence (from this post) that there is anything wrong with the
mouse, just the Mac.

-- 
David Empson
dempson@actrix.gen.nz

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#54723

In article <1lfh541.1ym5ixf5v4z9yN%dempson@actrix.gen.nz>,
 dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) wrote:

> dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> wrote:
> 
> > As it happens, today the mouse just stopped working, put in new 
> > batteries, (twice, even measured the voltage and they are all new), no
> > cursor! Now even restart does not bring it back. The trackpad on MB 
> > still operates fine, so does an old tethered USB Apple Pro which I am
> > forced now to use again.
> > 
> > The little green light on my MM flashes continuuously for a very few 
> > secs when turned on, then intermittently in regular pattern (I think 
> > this is normal). 
> > 
> > I note that Bluetooth: Not Available is greyed out in the BT icon to 
> > the right top on my screen, also that there is no BT options in my Sys
> > Prefs? Are the options triggered by a properly transmitting BT device?
> 
> No, they are triggered by the availability of Bluetooth hardware support
> in the Mac. You should have Bluetooth available in System Preferences
> even if you have no Bluetooth peripherals in range.
> 

I was puzzled by the absence of any reference to Bluetooth in my Sys 
Prefs, it is still missing! I am pretty sure it was there previously.


> Have a look in System Profiler > Bluetooth, which reveals your
> computer's hardware support for Bluetooth. If you get a message claiming
> there is no Bluetooth, then something is wrong with your Mac's Bluetooth
> hardware (or possibly the drivers for it). I'd suggest restarting but I
> see you already tried that.
>

"No information found" next to Bluetooth in Sys Profile/ Hardware. I 
will try turning off the MB and leaving it a while. 

 
> With recent Macs (and I think all Intel Macs) you should also see a
> "Bluetooth USB Host Controller" item listed as a USB peripheral under
> the USB category in System Profiler.
> 

Yes, I get:
BRCM2070 Hub
Bluetooth Module


> In some Macs (notably a Mac Mini) I've experienced intermittent
> disappearance of the Bluetooth USB host controler which may have been
> heat related. It only happened a couple of times and came back after a
> restart.
> 
 

mmm... well, I have had a really good run with this MB! I might try 
turning off the whole thing and leaving it overnight.

Thanks a lot for the information. 


> > If so, some thing seems to have happened to my mouse? Never been 
> > dropped or anything and is not all that old. Before contacted Apple 
> > where I bought it, anyone got any suggestions?
> 
> No evidence (from this post) that there is anything wrong with the
> mouse, just the Mac.

I was hoping this would not be the case. <g>

-- 
dorayme

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#54726

In article <do_ray_me-D3FA62.17091514012014@news.albasani.net>,
 dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> wrote:

> In article <1lfh541.1ym5ixf5v4z9yN%dempson@actrix.gen.nz>,
>  dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) wrote:
> 
....
> 
> mmm... ... I might try 
> turning off the whole thing and leaving it overnight.
> 
> Thanks (DE) a lot for the information. 
> 

I turned MB off for an hour or so and the BT mouse is now working ok? 

Kevin McMurtie thinks badly of the drivers. Don't know if I can do 
anything about such drivers, firmware?

-- 
dorayme

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#54735

In article <do_ray_me-D3FA62.17091514012014@news.albasani.net>,
 dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> wrote:

> I was puzzled by the absence of any reference to Bluetooth in my Sys 
> Prefs, it is still missing! I am pretty sure it was there previously.

I just looked in mine and there's all kinds of stuff.  The BT controls 
are in my top menu, however.

-- 
Erilar, biblioholic medievalist

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#54736

In article <drache-8C4DF6.11352514012014@news.eternal-september.org>,
 erilar <drache@chibardun.net.invalid> wrote:

> In article <do_ray_me-D3FA62.17091514012014@news.albasani.net>,
>  dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> wrote:
> 
> > I was puzzled by the absence of any reference to Bluetooth in my Sys 
> > Prefs, it is still missing! I am pretty sure it was there previously.
> 
> I just looked in mine and there's all kinds of stuff.  The BT controls 
> are in my top menu, however.

Yes, there usually is... but during the crisis, they disappeared! They 
are all back now. It is not clear what happened, there  have been 
interesting suggestions in the thread. 

I like this Magic Mouse when it works (mostly)! Best I have ever had.

-- 
dorayme

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#54724

In article <do_ray_me-F9E3D1.15124214012014@news.albasani.net>,
 dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> wrote:

> In article <myob476jra.fsf@Sunburn.Stanford.EDU>,
>  Martin Frost me at invalid stanford daht edu 
>  <nospam@stanford.edu.invalid> wrote:
> 
> > Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> writes:
> > 
> > > In article <do_ray_me-202EDB.11555024122013@news.albasani.net>,
> > >  dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> wrote:
> > > 
> > > > In article <231220131054487236%jimsgibson@gmail.com>,
> > > >  Jim Gibson <jimsgibson@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > > In article <52b52314$0$10286$c3e8da3$9b4ff22a@news.astraweb.com>, JF
> > > > > Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote:
> > > > > 
> > > > > > To do the install, I booted from the original Snow Leopard install 
> > > > > > DVD.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Magic Mouse does not work.  Had to plug in one of the many
> > > > > > Mighty Mouse I have in a bag (none of which had the ball
> > > > > > working, but still work as a basic mouse) to get to the menus
> > > > > > to choose the disk util.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > So, just a word of warning if you are ever in a situation
> > > > > > where you need to boot off the SL DVD, you need a wired mouse.
> > > > > 
> > > > > Over this past weekend I installed Snow Leopard on a Mac Pro (1,1) 
> > > > > from
> > > > > the original disk and had no problem using the Magic Mouse.
> > > > 
> > > > The only issue that is a little bothersome with this mouse that I have 
> > > > found is that when I turn it off (rarely), I seem to need to restart 
> > > > the OS for the cursor to come back, turning it back on does not do it. 
> > > > There are perhaps other ways to accomplish this from Sys Prefs but 
> > > > have not explored this.
> > > 
> > > I've been using Magic Mouse with Snow Leopard for years, and never had 
> > > that problem. After turning the mouse off and on (mostly just when 
> > > changing the batteries) I have to click it a few times and it will 
> > > reconnect.
> > 
> > Yes, that's the trick.  Click the Magic Mouse after changing batteries.
> > 
> > (You can also reconnect from System Prefs/Mouse if you have that open,
> > but clicking the mouse is easier.)
> > 
> > Don't know why that's necessary.  One doesn't have to type on an Apple
> > wireless keyboard to make it reconnect after the batteries are
> > changed, so does one have to "click" the Magic Trackpad in that
> > situation for it to reconnect.  Maybe they managed to avoid the
> > mouse's issue when they created the keyboard and trackpad....
> > 
> 
> ....
> 
> As it happens, today the mouse just stopped working, put in new 
> batteries, (twice, even measured the voltage and they are all new), no 
> cursor! Now even restart does not bring it back. The trackpad on MB 
> still operates fine, so does an old tethered USB Apple Pro which I am 
> forced now to use again.
> 
> The little green light on my MM flashes continuuously for a very few 
> secs when turned on, then intermittently in regular pattern (I think 
> this is normal). 
> 
> I note that Bluetooth: Not Available is greyed out in the BT icon to 
> the right top on my screen, also that there is no BT options in my Sys 
> Prefs? Are the options triggered by a properly transmitting BT device? 
> If so, some thing seems to have happened to my mouse? Never been 
> dropped or anything and is not all that old. Before contacted Apple 
> where I bought it, anyone got any suggestions?

Apple's Bluetooth drivers are garbage.  That it stops working is the 
best you can hope for when it fails.  A2DP headsets often cause a kernel 
panic when they're turned on or off.  The driver fails to avoid 
frequencies that are in use so throughput stutters near WiFi.  Devices 
can get into a bad state where pairing becomes mismatched until manually 
un-paired and re-paired.  Device browsing rarely works on desktop MacOS 
and mobile MacOS doesn't even support file transfer.

It's quite possible that you have a sophisticated BT device (phone, 
headset, mouse, remote control) or interference in the area that's 
crashing your driver.  I recommend turning off BT and using a wired 
mouse.  I've tried using a Magic trackpad on two different laptops at 
work on different OSes.  It was nothing but stuttering, hangs, and 
panics in Apple's BT driver.

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#54725

In article 
<mcmurtrie-EBBAFE.22213913012014@c-61-68-245-199.per.connect.net.au>,
 Kevin McMurtrie <mcmurtrie@pixelmemory.us> wrote:

> In article <do_ray_me-F9E3D1.15124214012014@news.albasani.net>,
>  dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> wrote:
...
> > As it happens, today the mouse just stopped working, put in new 
> > batteries, (twice, even measured the voltage and they are all new), no 
> > cursor! Now even restart does not bring it back. The trackpad on MB 
> > still operates fine, so does an old tethered USB Apple Pro which I am 
> > forced now to use again.
> > 
> > The little green light on my MM flashes continuuously for a very few 
> > secs when turned on, then intermittently in regular pattern (I think 
> > this is normal). 
> > 
> > I note that Bluetooth: Not Available is greyed out in the BT icon to 
> > the right top on my screen, also that there is no BT options in my Sys 
> > Prefs? Are the options triggered by a properly transmitting BT device? 
> > If so, some thing seems to have happened to my mouse? Never been 
> > dropped or anything and is not all that old. Before contacted Apple 
> > where I bought it, anyone got any suggestions?
> 
> Apple's Bluetooth drivers are garbage.  That it stops working is the 
> best you can hope for when it fails.  A2DP headsets often cause a kernel 
> panic when they're turned on or off.  The driver fails to avoid 
> frequencies that are in use so throughput stutters near WiFi.  Devices 
> can get into a bad state where pairing becomes mismatched until manually 
> un-paired and re-paired.  Device browsing rarely works on desktop MacOS 
> and mobile MacOS doesn't even support file transfer.
> 
> It's quite possible that you have a sophisticated BT device (phone, 
> headset, mouse, remote control) or interference in the area that's 
> crashing your driver.  I recommend turning off BT and using a wired 
> mouse.  I've tried using a Magic trackpad on two different laptops at 
> work on different OSes.  It was nothing but stuttering, hangs, and 
> panics in Apple's BT driver.

Well, ok, there are many variable factors here to consider. Not sure 
what was causing the trouble. I have noticed odd slowdowns in the 
cursor operations on other occasions, I always think it batteries worn 
and I replace (but cunningly keep the old ones because they test well 
on a multimeter and I reintroduce them to other unsuspecting devices 
like a radio I have that is very happy with any battery that is not 
quite out of juice).

Is there any way of getting better drivers or is this a Windows type 
of option, no one talks drivers with Macs much, is it firmware? Can 
anything be done that is not electronic and soldering?

I never had any trouble with my old Kensington BT mouse, at least not 
that I can recall. But I am in a different building to when I had 
that. I have no personal other BT devices.

-- 
dorayme

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#54734

In article 
<mcmurtrie-EBBAFE.22213913012014@c-61-68-245-199.per.connect.net.au>,
 Kevin McMurtrie <mcmurtrie@pixelmemory.us> wrote:

> It's quite possible that you have a sophisticated BT device (phone, 
> headset, mouse, remote control) or interference in the area that's 
> crashing your driver.  I recommend turning off BT and using a wired 
> mouse.  I've tried using a Magic trackpad on two different laptops at 
> work on different OSes.  It was nothing but stuttering, hangs, and 
> panics in Apple's BT driver.

The trackpad is a wrist-breaker for old wrists. I love my wireless mouse 
8-)

-- 
Erilar, biblioholic medievalist

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#54741

In message <mcmurtrie-EBBAFE.22213913012014@c-61-68-245-199.per.connect.net.au> 
  Kevin McMurtrie <mcmurtrie@pixelmemory.us> wrote:
> In article <do_ray_me-F9E3D1.15124214012014@news.albasani.net>,
>  dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> wrote:

>> In article <myob476jra.fsf@Sunburn.Stanford.EDU>,
>>  Martin Frost me at invalid stanford daht edu 
>>  <nospam@stanford.edu.invalid> wrote:
>> 
>> > Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> writes:
>> > 
>> > > In article <do_ray_me-202EDB.11555024122013@news.albasani.net>,
>> > >  dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> wrote:
>> > > 
>> > > > In article <231220131054487236%jimsgibson@gmail.com>,
>> > > >  Jim Gibson <jimsgibson@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > > > 
>> > > > > In article <52b52314$0$10286$c3e8da3$9b4ff22a@news.astraweb.com>, JF
>> > > > > Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote:
>> > > > > 
>> > > > > > To do the install, I booted from the original Snow Leopard install 
>> > > > > > DVD.
>> > > > > > 
>> > > > > > Magic Mouse does not work.  Had to plug in one of the many
>> > > > > > Mighty Mouse I have in a bag (none of which had the ball
>> > > > > > working, but still work as a basic mouse) to get to the menus
>> > > > > > to choose the disk util.
>> > > > > > 
>> > > > > > So, just a word of warning if you are ever in a situation
>> > > > > > where you need to boot off the SL DVD, you need a wired mouse.
>> > > > > 
>> > > > > Over this past weekend I installed Snow Leopard on a Mac Pro (1,1) 
>> > > > > from
>> > > > > the original disk and had no problem using the Magic Mouse.
>> > > > 
>> > > > The only issue that is a little bothersome with this mouse that I have 
>> > > > found is that when I turn it off (rarely), I seem to need to restart 
>> > > > the OS for the cursor to come back, turning it back on does not do it. 
>> > > > There are perhaps other ways to accomplish this from Sys Prefs but 
>> > > > have not explored this.
>> > > 
>> > > I've been using Magic Mouse with Snow Leopard for years, and never had 
>> > > that problem. After turning the mouse off and on (mostly just when 
>> > > changing the batteries) I have to click it a few times and it will 
>> > > reconnect.
>> > 
>> > Yes, that's the trick.  Click the Magic Mouse after changing batteries.
>> > 
>> > (You can also reconnect from System Prefs/Mouse if you have that open,
>> > but clicking the mouse is easier.)
>> > 
>> > Don't know why that's necessary.  One doesn't have to type on an Apple
>> > wireless keyboard to make it reconnect after the batteries are
>> > changed, so does one have to "click" the Magic Trackpad in that
>> > situation for it to reconnect.  Maybe they managed to avoid the
>> > mouse's issue when they created the keyboard and trackpad....
>> > 
>> 
>> ....
>> 
>> As it happens, today the mouse just stopped working, put in new 
>> batteries, (twice, even measured the voltage and they are all new), no 
>> cursor! Now even restart does not bring it back. The trackpad on MB 
>> still operates fine, so does an old tethered USB Apple Pro which I am 
>> forced now to use again.
>> 
>> The little green light on my MM flashes continuuously for a very few 
>> secs when turned on, then intermittently in regular pattern (I think 
>> this is normal). 
>> 
>> I note that Bluetooth: Not Available is greyed out in the BT icon to 
>> the right top on my screen, also that there is no BT options in my Sys 
>> Prefs? Are the options triggered by a properly transmitting BT device? 
>> If so, some thing seems to have happened to my mouse? Never been 
>> dropped or anything and is not all that old. Before contacted Apple 
>> where I bought it, anyone got any suggestions?

> Apple's Bluetooth drivers are garbage.  That it stops working is the 
> best you can hope for when it fails.  A2DP headsets often cause a kernel 
> panic when they're turned on or off.  The driver fails to avoid 
> frequencies that are in use so throughput stutters near WiFi.  Devices 
> can get into a bad state where pairing becomes mismatched until manually 
> un-paired and re-paired.  Device browsing rarely works on desktop MacOS 
> and mobile MacOS doesn't even support file transfer.

I use a lot of BT devices with my Macs and have never seen anything like
this.

> It's quite possible that you have a sophisticated BT device (phone, 
> headset, mouse, remote control) or interference in the area that's 
> crashing your driver.  I recommend turning off BT and using a wired 
> mouse.  I've tried using a Magic trackpad on two different laptops at 
> work on different OSes.  It was nothing but stuttering, hangs, and 
> panics in Apple's BT driver.

Nope, nothing like that.

-- 
TO CHANGE THE FATE OF ONE INDIVIDUAL IS TO CHANGE THE WORLD. I REMEMBER
THAT. SO SHOULD YOU.  Death still hadn't turned to face her.  'I don't
see why we shouldn't change things if it makes the world better,' said
Susan.  HAH.  'Are you too scared to change the world?' Death turned.
The very sight of his expression made Susan back away.  He advanced
slowly towards her. His voice, when it came, was a hiss.  YOU SAY THAT
TO ME? YOU STAND THERE IN YOUR PRETTY DRESS AND SAY THAT TO ME? YOU? YOU
PRATTLE ON ABOUT CHANGING THE WORLD? COULD YOU FIND THE COURAGE TO
ACCEPT IT? TO KNOW WHAT MUST BE DONE AND DO IT, WHATEVER THE COST? IS
THERE ONE HUMAN BEING ANYWHERE WHO KNOWS WHAT DUTY MEANS? --Soul Music

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#54733

In article <do_ray_me-F9E3D1.15124214012014@news.albasani.net>,
 dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> wrote:

> As it happens, today the mouse just stopped working, put in new 
> batteries, (twice, even measured the voltage and they are all new), no 
> cursor! Now even restart does not bring it back. The trackpad on MB 
> still operates fine, so does an old tethered USB Apple Pro which I am 
> forced now to use again.
> 
> The little green light on my MM flashes continuuously for a very few 
> secs when turned on, then intermittently in regular pattern (I think 
> this is normal). 
> 
> I note that Bluetooth: Not Available is greyed out in the BT icon to 
> the right top on my screen, also that there is no BT options in my Sys 
> Prefs? Are the options triggered by a properly transmitting BT device? 
> If so, some thing seems to have happened to my mouse? Never been 
> dropped or anything and is not all that old. Before contacted Apple 
> where I bought it, anyone got any suggestions?

I've had to use my old plug-in mouse when my BT mouse batteries get too 
low without my noticing(I use rechargeables in several things, so the 
mouse, which gobbles batteries much faster than my BT keyboard is just 
one more), and sometimes it's a real battle to get the laptop to 
recognize it when I switch back.  Turning it off completely for a while 
sometimes wakes up the connection again.

-- 
Erilar, biblioholic medievalist

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