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  Apple High End DSLR? Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2012-08-20 13:47 -0700
    Re: Apple High End DSLR? Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2012-08-20 17:28 -0400
      Re: Apple High End DSLR? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2012-08-20 15:23 -0700
        Re: Apple High End DSLR? Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2012-08-20 18:49 -0400
          Re: Apple High End DSLR? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2012-08-20 16:36 -0700
            Re: Apple High End DSLR? Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2012-08-20 19:53 -0400
        Re: Apple High End DSLR? George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> - 2012-08-20 18:26 -0500
        Re: Apple High End DSLR? Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2012-08-21 15:05 +0200
      Re: Apple High End DSLR? YourName@YourISP.com (Your Name) - 2012-08-21 16:10 +1200
        Re: Apple High End DSLR? Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2012-08-21 18:50 -0400
      Re: Apple High End DSLR? Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2012-08-21 01:10 -0400
        Re: Apple High End DSLR? JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2012-08-21 01:49 -0400
          Re: Apple High End DSLR? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2012-08-20 23:40 -0700
        Re: Apple High End DSLR? Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2012-08-21 19:01 -0400
          Re: Apple High End DSLR? Doug Anderson <ethelthelogremovethis@gmail.com> - 2012-08-21 16:08 -0700
            Re: Apple High End DSLR? Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2012-08-21 21:20 -0400
          Re: Apple High End DSLR? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2012-08-21 16:09 -0700
            Re: Apple High End DSLR? Nospam is my hero! Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2012-08-21 21:26 -0400
              Re: Apple High End DSLR? Nospam is my hero! nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2012-08-21 19:29 -0700
                Re: Apple High End DSLR? Nospam is my hero! Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2012-08-22 10:25 +0100
                  Re: Apple High End DSLR? Nospam is my hero! dorayme <dorayme@optusnet.com.au> - 2012-08-23 08:06 +1000
                    Re: Apple High End DSLR? Nospam is my hero! Bread <BreadWithSpam@Fractious.net> - 2012-08-22 15:15 -0700
                      Re: Apple High End DSLR? Nospam is my hero! dorayme <dorayme@optusnet.com.au> - 2012-08-23 08:35 +1000
                        Re: Apple High End DSLR? Nospam is my hero! dorayme <dorayme@optusnet.com.au> - 2012-08-24 07:57 +1000
                Re: Apple High End DSLR? Nospam is my hero! Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2012-08-23 16:53 -0400
                  Re: Apple High End DSLR? Nospam is my hero! Doug Anderson <ethelthelogremovethis@gmail.com> - 2012-08-23 14:01 -0700
                    iCloud, PhotoStream and backing up your photos (was Re: Apple High End DSLR? Nospam is my hero!) Bread <BreadWithSpam@Fractious.net> - 2012-08-23 15:13 -0700
                      Re: iCloud, PhotoStream and backing up your photos (was Re: Apple High End DSLR? Nospam is my hero!) Doug Anderson <ethelthelogremovethis@gmail.com> - 2012-08-23 15:27 -0700
                      Re: iCloud, PhotoStream and backing up your photos (was Re: Apple High End DSLR? Nospam is my hero!) Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2012-08-23 19:08 -0400
                        Re: iCloud, PhotoStream and backing up your photos (was Re: Apple   High End DSLR? Nospam is my hero!) Bread <BreadWithSpam@Fractious.net> - 2012-08-23 16:54 -0700
                          Re: iCloud, PhotoStream and backing up your photos Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2012-08-24 16:45 -0400
                        Re: iCloud, PhotoStream and backing up your photos (was Re: Apple High End DSLR? Nospam is my hero!) Doug Anderson <ethelthelogremovethis@gmail.com> - 2012-08-23 21:30 -0700
                          Re: iCloud, PhotoStream and backing up your photos (was Re: Apple High End DSLR? Nospam is my hero!) Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2012-08-24 16:57 -0400
                            Re: iCloud, PhotoStream and backing up your photos (was Re: Apple High End DSLR? Nospam is my hero!) Doug Anderson <ethelthelogremovethis@gmail.com> - 2012-08-24 14:17 -0700
                              Re: iCloud, PhotoStream and backing up your photos (was Re: Apple High End DSLR? Nospam is my hero!) Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2012-08-24 17:47 -0400
                                Re: iCloud, PhotoStream and backing up your photos (was Re: Apple High End DSLR? Nospam is my hero!) Doug Anderson <ethelthelogremovethis@gmail.com> - 2012-08-24 14:55 -0700
                                  Re: iCloud, PhotoStream and backing up your photos (was Re: Apple High End DSLR? Nospam is my hero!) Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2012-08-25 09:08 -0400
                                    Re: iCloud, PhotoStream and backing up your photos (was Re: Apple High End DSLR? Nospam is my hero!) Doug Anderson <ethelthelogremovethis@gmail.com> - 2012-08-26 11:44 -0700
                                      Re: iCloud, PhotoStream and backing up your photos (was Re: Apple High End DSLR? Nospam is my hero!) Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2012-08-26 15:31 -0400
                                        Re: iCloud, PhotoStream and backing up your photos (was Re: Apple High End DSLR? Nospam is my hero!) John McWilliams <jpmcw@comcast.net> - 2012-08-27 10:46 -0700
                                          Re: iCloud, PhotoStream and backing up your photos (was Re: Apple High End DSLR? Nospam is my hero!) Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2012-08-27 19:23 -0400
                                            Keepers, storage, culling photos [was Re: iCloud, PhotoStream a....] John McWilliams <jpmcw@comcast.net> - 2012-08-27 19:53 -0700
                                              Re: Keepers, storage, culling photos [was Re: iCloud, PhotoStream a....] Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2012-08-28 19:49 -0400
                    Re: Apple High End DSLR? Nospam is my hero! Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2012-08-23 21:10 -0400
                      Re: Apple High End DSLR? Nospam is my hero! Doug Anderson <ethelthelogremovethis@gmail.com> - 2012-08-23 21:42 -0700
                  Re: Apple High End DSLR? Nospam is my hero! nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2012-08-23 14:39 -0700
                    Re: Apple High End DSLR? Nospam is my hero! Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2012-08-24 17:32 -0400
                      Re: Apple High End DSLR? Nospam is my hero! Doug Anderson <ethelthelogremovethis@gmail.com> - 2012-08-24 14:49 -0700
                        Re: Apple High End DSLR? Nospam is my hero! Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2012-08-24 17:51 -0400
                      Re: Apple High End DSLR? Nospam is my hero! nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2012-08-24 16:46 -0700
                        Re: Apple High End DSLR? Nospam is my hero! Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2012-08-25 09:12 -0400
                      Re: Apple High End DSLR? Nospam is my hero! John McWilliams <jpmcw@comcast.net> - 2012-08-24 17:16 -0700
                        Re: Apple High End DSLR? Nospam is my hero! Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2012-08-25 09:13 -0400
                          Re: Apple High End DSLR? Nospam is my hero! John McWilliams <jpmcw@comcast.net> - 2012-08-25 09:41 -0700
                            Re: Apple High End DSLR? Nospam is my hero! Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2012-08-25 13:00 -0400
                              Re: Apple High End DSLR? Nospam is my hero! John McWilliams <jpmcw@comcast.net> - 2012-08-25 10:47 -0700
                                Re: Apple High End DSLR? Nospam is my hero! Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2012-08-25 14:12 -0400
                                  Re: Apple High End DSLR? Nospam is my hero! John McWilliams <jpmcw@comcast.net> - 2012-08-25 11:16 -0700
                                    Re: Apple High End DSLR? Nospam is my hero! Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2012-08-25 14:51 -0400
                                      Re: Apple High End DSLR? Nospam is my hero! Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2012-08-25 15:37 -0400
                                        Re: Apple High End DSLR? Nospam is my hero! Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2012-08-25 16:51 -0400
                                          Re: Apple High End DSLR? Nospam is my hero! MC <copespaz@mapca.inter.net> - 2012-08-25 16:56 -0400
                                            Re: Apple High End DSLR? Nospam is my hero! Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2012-08-26 16:13 -0400
                                              Re: Apple High End DSLR? Nospam is my hero! Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2012-08-26 19:12 -0400
                                                Re: Apple High End DSLR? Nospam is my hero! Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2012-08-26 19:17 -0400
                                              Re: Apple High End DSLR? Nospam is my hero! Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2012-08-26 18:20 -0700
                                              Re: Apple High End DSLR? Nospam is my hero! John McWilliams <jpmcw@comcast.net> - 2012-08-27 10:48 -0700
                                          Re: Apple High End DSLR? Nospam is my hero! Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2012-08-25 17:09 -0400
                                            Re: Apple High End DSLR? Nospam is my hero! Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2012-08-25 18:14 -0400
                                              Re: Apple High End DSLR? Nospam is my hero! Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2012-08-25 22:23 -0400
                                                Re: Apple High End DSLR? Nospam is my hero! nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2012-08-25 19:53 -0700
                                                  Re: Apple High End DSLR? Nospam is my hero! dorayme <dorayme@optusnet.com.au> - 2012-08-26 12:58 +1000
                                                  Re: Apple High End DSLR? Nospam is my hero! JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2012-08-25 23:16 -0400
                                                    Re: Apple High End DSLR? Nospam is my hero! nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2012-08-25 20:28 -0700
                                                    Re: Apple High End DSLR? Nospam is my hero! Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2012-08-26 10:47 -0400
                                                  Re: Apple High End DSLR? Nospam is my hero! Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2012-08-26 10:41 -0400
                                                    Re: Apple High End DSLR? Nospam is my hero! Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2012-08-26 13:20 -0400
                                                      Re: Apple High End DSLR? Nospam is my hero! Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2012-08-26 13:33 -0400
                                                        Re: Apple High End DSLR? Nospam is my hero! Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2012-08-26 19:05 -0400
                                                          Re: Apple High End DSLR? Nospam is my hero! Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2012-08-26 19:19 -0400
                                                Re: Apple High End DSLR? Nospam is my hero! Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2012-08-26 10:37 -0400
                                            Re: Apple High End DSLR? Nospam is my hero! Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2012-08-25 23:18 +0100
                                              Re: Apple High End DSLR? Nospam is my hero! dorayme <dorayme@optusnet.com.au> - 2012-08-26 09:57 +1000
                                                Re: Apple High End DSLR? Nospam is my hero! Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2012-08-26 13:27 +0100
                                    Re: Apple High End DSLR? Nospam is my hero! Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2012-08-25 15:33 -0400
                                      Re: Apple High End DSLR? Nospam is my hero! Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2012-08-25 16:53 -0400
                                        Re: Apple High End DSLR? Nospam is my hero! John McWilliams <jpmcw@comcast.net> - 2012-08-25 17:48 -0700
                                          Re: Apple High End DSLR? Nospam is my hero! Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2012-08-26 16:23 -0400
                            Re: Apple High End DSLR? Nospam is my hero! Bread <BreadWithSpam@Fractious.net> - 2012-08-25 20:23 -0700
                              Re: Apple High End DSLR? Nospam is my hero! Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2012-08-26 10:48 -0400
          Re: Apple High End DSLR? Bread <BreadWithSpam@Fractious.net> - 2012-08-21 16:31 -0700
            Re: Apple High End DSLR? Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2012-08-21 21:27 -0400
            Re: Apple High End DSLR? Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2012-08-21 21:59 -0700
          Re: Apple High End DSLR? JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2012-08-21 21:27 -0400
            Re: Apple High End DSLR? John McWilliams <jpmcw@comcast.net> - 2012-08-22 16:03 -0700
              Re: Apple High End DSLR? Patty Winter <patty1@wintertime.com> - 2012-08-23 01:50 +0000
    Re: Apple High End DSLR? Doug Anderson <ethelthelogremovethis@gmail.com> - 2012-08-20 15:37 -0700
      Re: Apple High End DSLR? Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2012-08-20 18:48 -0400
        Re: Apple High End DSLR? Doug Anderson <ethelthelogremovethis@gmail.com> - 2012-08-20 16:00 -0700
          Re: Apple High End DSLR? Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2012-08-20 19:38 -0400
            Re: Apple High End DSLR? Doug Anderson <ethelthelogremovethis@gmail.com> - 2012-08-20 16:51 -0700
              Re: Apple High End DSLR? Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2012-08-20 19:58 -0400
                Re: Apple High End DSLR? Doug Anderson <ethelthelogremovethis@gmail.com> - 2012-08-20 17:13 -0700
            Re: Apple High End DSLR? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2012-08-20 19:24 -0700
    Re: Apple High End DSLR? "Charles" <charlesschuler@comcast.net> - 2012-08-20 18:52 -0400
      Re: Apple High End DSLR? Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2012-08-20 19:42 -0400
      Re: Apple High End DSLR? JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2012-08-20 22:34 -0400
        Re: Apple High End DSLR? JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2012-08-20 22:44 -0400
          Re: Apple High End DSLR? Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2012-08-21 15:15 +0200
          Re: Apple High End DSLR? Todd Allcock <elecconnec@AnoOspamL.com> - 2012-08-21 07:54 -0600
          Re: Apple High End DSLR? Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2012-08-21 21:08 -0400
        Re: Apple High End DSLR? Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2012-08-21 18:30 -0400
          Re: Apple High End DSLR? YourName@YourISP.com (Your Name) - 2012-08-22 13:09 +1200
    Re: Apple High End DSLR? George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> - 2012-08-20 18:04 -0500
    Re: Apple High End DSLR? "Mark Dodel" <madodelNOSPAM@ptd.net> - 2012-08-20 19:19 -0500
    Re: Apple High End DSLR? "zulu" <zulu.romeotangohotel@ntlworld.com> - 2012-08-21 15:54 +0100
      Re: Apple High End DSLR? Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2012-08-21 13:59 -0400

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#29802

Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> writes:

> On 2012-08-20 19:00 , Doug Anderson wrote:
> > Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> writes:
> >
> >> On 2012-08-20 18:37 , Doug Anderson wrote:
> >>
> >>> I think a good, reasonably priced point-and-shoot that would geotag
> >>> pictures and directly load them to Photostream or some social
> >>> networking sites might be a winning product idea,
> >>
> >> That's what it will be if it is to be.
> >>
> >>> though it is hard to
> >>> imagine it capturing the market share Apple is used to.
> >>
> >> I think it could catch on like wild fire.
> >
> > Well, I would think seriously about it.   But I have trouble
> > imagining it reaching iPhone levels of dominance.
> >
> > The market size and the replacement time for digitial cameras is (I
> > think) smaller and longer (respectively) than that for phones.  Also,
> > there are a lot of cheap cameras on the market (many of them are not
> > very good).  Apple, if true to form, would make a high quality product
> > at a competitive price for that quality level.  But I'm not sure how
> > many discriminating consumers there are in the point-and-shoot market
> > (certainly there are some, but judging from the success of cheap
> > mediocre camers, there aren't that many).
> 
> See below.
> 
> >
> >> One of the problems right now is the massive choice in P&S cameras.
> >> Go to dpreview.com to get a feel for it.
> >
> > Yeah - I think this is why it will be difficult for Apple to grab much
> > of the market.
> 
> I think you misunderstand my point.  If you go look at dpreview the
> choices are overwhelming.  People trying to figure out what to get
> have so many choices that it's frustrating and hard to get it right
> for someone who doesn't understand the specs.
> 
> But if Apple comes along (and in their true marketing whiz-bang way)
> makes a product that doesn't need to be understood per se, it's
> Apple. Period.  And of course it will be an ace at P&S photography and
> do most things more than well enough for most people.
> 
> People will chuck trying to decide what to buy on dpreview and take
> the simple choice.  Apple iSnap.

No, I understand your point, I'm just not sure if it is right.

I think Apple's success in the phone/mp3 player/tablet market has been
a combination of three things:

1) a good product.
2) good marketing.
3) price competiveness  [it has proven hard to undercut these products
at similar feature levels].

It is this third thing that I question in the camera business; partly
because the feature levels are not something people judge very well in
cameras (megapixels rule,  optics quality not so much).  

Apple will (if they do this) probably make a good camera with
excellent optics for the money and great ease of use features.  But if
someone is selling a camera with more megapixels and shabbier optics
(or with worse noise-reduction software, or with a smaller sensor) for
$100 less, I think consumers aren't going to discriminate on the
optics, noise reduction or sensor size but will discriminate on price.

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#29804

On 2012-08-20 19:51 , Doug Anderson wrote:

> 1) a good product.
> 2) good marketing.
> 3) price competiveness  [it has proven hard to undercut these products
> at similar feature levels].
>
> It is this third thing that I question in the camera business; partly
> because the feature levels are not something people judge very well in
> cameras (megapixels rule,  optics quality not so much).

And that's why Apple will ram it down the throats of consumers.

In reply -
   1) It will be a good product.
   2) Good marketing.  Are you kidding? Fire up the RDF.
   3) Apple's partner in crime (foxxcon) will be able to make such a
      camera at an unprecedented low cost level.

>
> Apple will (if they do this) probably make a good camera with
> excellent optics for the money and great ease of use features.  But if
> someone is selling a camera with more megapixels and shabbier optics
> (or with worse noise-reduction software, or with a smaller sensor) for
> $100 less, I think consumers aren't going to discriminate on the
> optics, noise reduction or sensor size but will discriminate on price.

Not after the RDF shows them in commercial after commercial that the 
Apple phone at any resolution is what you need.

-- 
"C'mon boys, you're not laying pipe!".
                                 -John Keating.

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#29805

Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> writes:

> On 2012-08-20 19:51 , Doug Anderson wrote:
> 
> > 1) a good product.
> > 2) good marketing.
> > 3) price competiveness  [it has proven hard to undercut these products
> > at similar feature levels].
> >
> > It is this third thing that I question in the camera business; partly
> > because the feature levels are not something people judge very well in
> > cameras (megapixels rule,  optics quality not so much).
> 
> And that's why Apple will ram it down the throats of consumers.
> 
> In reply -
>    1) It will be a good product.
>    2) Good marketing.  Are you kidding? Fire up the RDF.
>    3) Apple's partner in crime (foxxcon) will be able to make such a
>       camera at an unprecedented low cost level.
> 
> >
> > Apple will (if they do this) probably make a good camera with
> > excellent optics for the money and great ease of use features.  But if
> > someone is selling a camera with more megapixels and shabbier optics
> > (or with worse noise-reduction software, or with a smaller sensor) for
> > $100 less, I think consumers aren't going to discriminate on the
> > optics, noise reduction or sensor size but will discriminate on price.
> 
> Not after the RDF shows them in commercial after commercial that the
> Apple phone at any resolution is what you need.

You mean Apple camera.

As far as the so-called RDF, we'll see.  I don't really believe in it.

Enough people are convinced that iPhones are better than comparably
priced smartphones with a similar feature set and a clumsier interface
so that iPhones have a big smart-phone market share.

Enough people are convinced that iPads are better than comparably
priced tablets with poorer feature sets, clumsier interfaces and a
small fraction of the available applications so that iPads have a huge
tablet market share.

The situation was similar with iPods.

But not with PCs, which may be more analogous.  Macs have been
comparably priced to PCs with similar specs.  But PCs seem to compete
on processor speed (or in the case of laptops, processor speed and
screen size).  There are always PCs that are cheaper than Macs with
comparable processor speed, and than Apple laptops with comparable
processor speed and screensize.

But Macs don't dominate the PC market.  They are big, but not
dominant, and I think they've reached the market share they have via
providing an alternative user experience that many people prefer.  Can
that be done with cameras?  I don't know.

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#29811

In article <U7-dnXkaVL3lV6_NnZ2dnUVZ_qmdnZ2d@giganews.com>, Alan Browne
<alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote:

> Most interesting is that with iOS there could suddenly be a plethora of 
> apps for such a phone to enhance what it can do.  (As there are many 
> apps for the iphone that take photos - some well, others ...)^.

as there would with android.

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#29794

Apple is too savvy to compete in the DSLR market.

They will likely partner with Nikon or Canon and offer a camera tightly 
integrated to ICloud and the whole ease of sharing concept.

Such a camera would use wireless communication, be small, and very 
responsive.  It will sell like crazy.  Very high resolution is not required 
and actually not a good idea.

The total integration along with the expected Apple easy to use concept 
along with a fast camera (response time) will make it an instant winner.

Apple was in the digital camera business a long time ago.  It's time for 
them to step back in. 

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#29801

On 2012-08-20 18:52 , Charles wrote:
> Apple is too savvy to compete in the DSLR market.
>
> They will likely partner with Nikon or Canon and offer a camera tightly

They won't partner.  If it's to be, it will be an Apple camera.  The 
other co's would be suppliers to them of optics and sensors.

In that sense, Carl Zeiss for design and Sony, Tamprom or Cosina, 
perhaps Fujifilm for lens manufacturing.

-- 
"C'mon boys, you're not laying pipe!".
                                 -John Keating.

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#29812

Charles wrote:

> They will likely partner with Nikon or Canon and offer a camera tightly 
> integrated to ICloud and the whole ease of sharing concept.

Looking at it from a different eye, thsi could be possible. A special
Nikon camera with the Apple logo on it, comarketed by both. Nikon builds
the camera, Apple provides the integration software and interfaces.
Apple markets it like mad and sells those special Nikon cameras in its
stores, and those cameras are also sold at all current Nikon outlets as
well.

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#29814

I could see Apple partnering with mobile networks to give affordable
data plans for picture uploading to icloud from an Apple iCamera. (or
iShoot ?)

And Apple might even get a percentage of the data revenues, at which
point Apple has penty of incentives to get people to use their
iShoot/iCamera as often as possible :-)

HP may have printers that force people to spend on ink, and Apple would
have the cameras that forces people to spend on mobile service :-)


Note that Kodak is seeking buyers for its IP. I wonder if there are
patents in there that would benefit Apple should it want to enter the
camera business.

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#29824

On Mon, 20 Aug 2012 22:44:45 -0400, JF Mezei wrote:

> I could see Apple partnering with mobile networks to give affordable
> data plans for picture uploading to icloud from an Apple iCamera. (or
> iShoot ?)

Could be.

> And Apple might even get a percentage of the data revenues, at which
> point Apple has penty of incentives to get people to use their
> iShoot/iCamera as often as possible :-)
> 
> HP may have printers that force people to spend on ink, and Apple would
> have the cameras that forces people to spend on mobile service :-)
> 
> 
> Note that Kodak is seeking buyers for its IP. I wonder if there are
> patents in there that would benefit Apple should it want to enter the
> camera business.

According to one report I read, the currently interested parties are 
bidding very low because they know Kodak doesn't have much bargaining 
power.  That raises the possibility of someone else grabbing the patent 
portfolio at a much better price for Kodak, yet still relatively cheap.

-- 
Paul Sture

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#29825

At 20 Aug 2012 22:44:45 -0400 JF Mezei wrote:
> I could see Apple partnering with mobile networks to give affordable
> data plans for picture uploading to icloud from an Apple iCamera. (or
> iShoot ?)

No need in the USA, our carriers are transitioning to shared data plans
where you but a bucket of data for $X, and add devices to the plan for $Y
each, much like voice plans for families.  I think Verizon allows up to
10 devices to share a plan.  But there's a better way, IMO, which
enforces Apple brand-loyalty, which I'll get to below.

> And Apple might even get a percentage of the data revenues, at which
> point Apple has penty of incentives to get people to use their
> iShoot/iCamera as often as possible :-)

Not a significant amount of revenue, unless Apple were to go the MVNO
route and become their own service provider.

> HP may have printers that force people to spend on ink, and Apple would
> have the cameras that forces people to spend on mobile service :-)


HP sells, and profits from, that ink. Apple wouldn't really be profitting
from the data. The iShoot would have more of an iPod revenue stream-
profit at point of sale, and ancillary revenue from apps later. Without
music, and with the apps probably limited (by the owner's preferences) to
photo apps, its ancillary revenue would even be less.


> Note that Kodak is seeking buyers for its IP. I wonder if there are
> patents in there that would benefit Apple should it want to enter the
> camera business.


What might help sell an Apple camera would be an easy, automatic, (and
most importantly for Apple, proprietary) wireless camera to iPhone
transfer mechanism.  

In the "real world" this could be set up via bluetooth or WiFi, like an
EyeFi card, but that takes time and effort to configure and set up
properly. Apple could build functionality into the OS that whenever your
camera and phone (or iTunes-equipped computer) were in a WiFi range,
photos would automatically upload to iCloud/Photostream via the iPhone's
or data connection (or imported into iTunes and then uploaded.)  Sort of
like a very specific version of EyeFi, that needed no configuration other
than signing into the camera with the same Apple ID.

Unlike EyeFi, which is an add-on kludge, this would be seamlessly
integrated into the camera, and could use any known WiFi network, or the
user's iPhone.

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#29863

On 2012-08-20 22:44 , JF Mezei wrote:
> I could see Apple partnering with mobile networks to give affordable
> data plans for picture uploading to icloud from an Apple iCamera. (or
> iShoot ?)

Few would subscribe.  They're already paying too much for cell and data 
with their smartphones.  Few people get data plans for their iPad for 
that reason.  A camera?  Even less.

But, when in range of free WiFi that would be another matter.


-- 
"C'mon boys, you're not laying pipe!".
                                 -John Keating.

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#29844

On 2012-08-20 22:34 , JF Mezei wrote:
> Charles wrote:
>
>> They will likely partner with Nikon or Canon and offer a camera tightly
>> integrated to ICloud and the whole ease of sharing concept.
>
> Looking at it from a different eye, thsi could be possible. A special
> Nikon camera with the Apple logo on it, comarketed by both. Nikon builds
> the camera, Apple provides the integration software and interfaces.
> Apple markets it like mad and sells those special Nikon cameras in its

Nikon's total sales are less than $10B.  And a lot of that has nothing 
to with P&S and DSLR cameras.  Nikon is an afterthought where Apple is 
concerned.  Same with Canon.

There won't be a co-branded phone.  There is Apple and all the rest.

Further, there is:

http://9to5google.com/2012/08/20/leaked-press-shots-tease-nikons-android-powered-coolpix-s800c-camera-photos/


-- 
"C'mon boys, you're not laying pipe!".
                                 -John Keating.

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#29865

On 2012-08-20 22:34 , JF Mezei wrote:
> Charles wrote:
>
>> They will likely partner with Nikon or Canon and offer a camera tightly
>> integrated to ICloud and the whole ease of sharing concept.
>
> Looking at it from a different eye, thsi could be possible. A special
> Nikon camera with the Apple logo on it, comarketed by both. Nikon builds
> the camera, Apple provides the integration software and interfaces.
> Apple markets it like mad and sells those special Nikon cameras in its

Apple no longer does "co-marketed" or "rebadged" devices. The design and
make their own these days.

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#29797

On 8/20/12 3:47 PM, in article
michelle-135B63.13471820082012@news.eternal-september.org, "Michelle
Steiner" <michelle@michelle.org> wrote:

> Poll: Should Apple build an iOS high-end, point-and-shoot/prosumer DSLR?
> 
> August 20, 2012 at 12:46 pm
> 
> Thank you, we have already counted your vote.
> Yes, I'd buy one
>  27.27%  (945 votes)
>  
> No, iPhone's camera is good enough
>  53.59%  (1,857 votes)
>  
> Other/See comments
>  3.87%  (134 votes)
>  
> Yes! but I'm happy with what I have.
>  15.27%  (529 votes)
>  
> Total Votes: 3,465
> 
> <a href="http://polldaddy.com/poll/6477046">Take Our Poll</a>
> 
> iLounge reported in May that Apple is allegedly working on a ³standalone
> digital camera, specifically a point-and-shoot model.² The website further
> said the device would deliver an image quality far beyond what the iPhone
> and iPad could deliver and attributed its information to
> sources, camera-related job openings at Apple, a re-trademarked iSight
> filing, and Walter Isaacson¹s biography on Apple¹s late cofounder.
> According to Isaacson, Steve Jobs named photography as one of three
> industries that he wanted to transform.
> With that said, a camera would be a decidedly high-end market that Apple is
> seen exiting post haste (see Mac Pro, etc.). A REAL CAMERA with iOS camera
> apps would seem cool, but Apple does not take this type of high-volume
> market seriously. Most people are perfectly content with the amazing iPhone
> cameraŠand the new iPhone¹s camera can only get better.
> 
> Read more at 
> http://9to5mac.com/2012/08/20/should-apple-build-an-ios-high-end-point-and-s
> hootprosumer-dslr/#wO83RUiYbi6mTEuL.99

Informative. Thanks!

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#29806

On Mon, 20 Aug 2012 20:47:18 UTC, Michelle Steiner 
<michelle@michelle.org> wrote:

-> Poll: Should Apple build an iOS high-end, point-and-shoot/prosumer DSLR?
-> 

I attended a lecture by a professional photographer who has released 
books of his photos who said he was taking more photos with his 4S 
then with his DSLR.  Most of it was because of convenience (having the
4S with him all the time and opportunities came up and he didn't want 
to grab his DSLR out of his car).  But he thought it was good enough 
for most of his picture taking.  He still used his DSLRs for 
professional shoots most of the time.  

The few times I have used my 4S the picture was fine, but the lack of 
an optical zoom hurt.  I still prefer my Nikon if I have it with me.

Mark


-> August 20, 2012 at 12:46 pm
-> 
-> Thank you, we have already counted your vote.
-> Yes, I'd buy one
->  27.27%  (945 votes)
->  
-> No, iPhone's camera is good enough
->  53.59%  (1,857 votes)
->  
-> Other/See comments
->  3.87%  (134 votes)
->  
-> Yes! but I'm happy with what I have.
->  15.27%  (529 votes)
->  
-> Total Votes: 3,465
-> 
-> <a href="http://polldaddy.com/poll/6477046">Take Our Poll</a>
-> 
-> iLounge reported in May that Apple is allegedly working on a standalone 
-> digital camera, specifically a point-and-shoot model. The website further 
-> said the device would deliver an image quality far beyond what the iPhone 
-> and iPad could deliver and attributed its information to 
-> sources, camera-related job openings at Apple, a re-trademarked iSight 
-> filing, and Walter Isaacsons biography on Apples late cofounder. 
-> According to Isaacson, Steve Jobs named photography as one of three 
-> industries that he wanted to transform.
-> With that said, a camera would be a decidedly high-end market that Apple is 
-> seen exiting post haste (see Mac Pro, etc.). A REAL CAMERA with iOS camera 
-> apps would seem cool, but Apple does not take this type of high-volume 
-> market seriously. Most people are perfectly content with the amazing iPhone 
-> cameraand the new iPhones camera can only get better.
-> 
-> Read more at 
-> http://9to5mac.com/2012/08/20/should-apple-build-an-ios-high-end-point-and-s
-> hootprosumer-dslr/#wO83RUiYbi6mTEuL.99
-> 


-- 
From the eComStation  2.1 GA desktop of Mark Dodel

Warpstock 2012 - http://www.warpstock.org
Warpstock Europe 2012 - http://www.warpstock.eu 

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#29827

"Michelle Steiner" <michelle@michelle.org> wrote in message 
news:michelle-135B63.13471820082012@news.eternal-september.org...
> Poll: Should Apple build an iOS high-end, point-and-shoot/prosumer DSLR?
>
> August 20, 2012 at 12:46 pm
>
> Thank you, we have already counted your vote.
> Yes, I'd buy one
> 27.27% (945 votes)
>
> No, iPhone's camera is good enough
> 53.59% (1,857 votes)
>
> Other/See comments
> 3.87% (134 votes)
>
> Yes! but I'm happy with what I have.
> 15.27% (529 votes)
>
> Total Votes: 3,465
>
> <a href="http://polldaddy.com/poll/6477046">Take Our Poll</a>
>
> iLounge reported in May that Apple is allegedly working on a "standalone
> digital camera, specifically a point-and-shoot model." The website further
> said the device would deliver an image quality far beyond what the iPhone
> and iPad could deliver and attributed its information to
> sources, camera-related job openings at Apple, a re-trademarked iSight
> filing, and Walter Isaacson's biography on Apple's late cofounder.
> According to Isaacson, Steve Jobs named photography as one of three
> industries that he wanted to transform.
> With that said, a camera would be a decidedly high-end market that Apple 
> is
> seen exiting post haste (see Mac Pro, etc.). A REAL CAMERA with iOS camera
> apps would seem cool, but Apple does not take this type of high-volume
> market seriously. Most people are perfectly content with the amazing 
> iPhone
> camera.and the new iPhone's camera can only get better.
>
> Read more at
> http://9to5mac.com/2012/08/20/should-apple-build-an-ios-high-end-point-and-s
> hootprosumer-dslr/#wO83RUiYbi6mTEuL.99

I hereby clain all rights to the the term *iCam*

:-)

--
zulu

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#29837

zulu
> I hereby clain all rights to the the term *iCam*

You lost that race by some years.

-- 
I agree with almost everything that you have said and almost everything that
you will say in your entire life.

usenet *at* davidillig dawt cawm

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