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  A question of today's Yosemite update regarding iPhoto and its replacement.  Juan I. Cahis <jiclbchSINBASURA@attglobal.net> - 2015-04-08 20:31 -0500
    Re: A question of today's Yosemite update regarding iPhoto and its replacement.  Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2015-04-08 18:59 -0700
      Re: A question of today's Yosemite update regarding iPhoto and its replacement. briang@panix.com (Brian Gordon) - 2015-04-09 02:41 +0000
        Re: A question of today's Yosemite update regarding iPhoto and its replacement. Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2015-04-08 20:12 -0700
          Re: A question of today's Yosemite update regarding iPhoto and its replacement. Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2015-04-09 01:18 -0400
            Re: A question of today's Yosemite update regarding iPhoto and its replacement. Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2015-04-08 22:31 -0700
              Re: A question of today's Yosemite update regarding iPhoto and its replacement. Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-04-09 14:00 +0000
                Re: A question of today's Yosemite update regarding iPhoto and its replacement. Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2015-04-09 08:53 -0700
                  Re: A question of today's Yosemite update regarding iPhoto and its replacement. Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-04-09 17:24 +0000
                    Re: A question of today's Yosemite update regarding iPhoto and its replacement. Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2015-04-09 10:48 -0700
                      Re: A question of today's Yosemite update regarding iPhoto and its replacement. JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-04-09 14:39 -0400
                        Re: A question of today's Yosemite update regarding iPhoto and its replacement. Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-04-09 23:01 +0000
                      Re: A question of today's Yosemite update regarding iPhoto and its replacement. Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-04-09 22:59 +0000
                        Re: A question of today's Yosemite update regarding iPhoto and its replacement. Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2015-04-10 10:08 -0400
                          Re: A question of today's Yosemite update regarding iPhoto and its replacement. Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-04-10 15:22 +0000
                            Re: A question of today's Yosemite update regarding iPhoto and its replacement. Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2015-04-10 11:58 -0400
                              Re: A question of today's Yosemite update regarding iPhoto and its replacement. Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-04-11 11:27 +0000
                                Re: A question of today's Yosemite update regarding iPhoto and its replacement. Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2015-04-11 09:21 -0400
                                  Re: A question of today's Yosemite update regarding iPhoto and its replacement. Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2015-04-11 10:42 -0400
                                  Re: A question of today's Yosemite update regarding iPhoto and its replacement. Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-04-11 15:39 +0000
                                    Re: A question of today's Yosemite update regarding iPhoto and its replacement. Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2015-04-11 13:01 -0400
                                      Re: A question of today's Yosemite update regarding iPhoto and its replacement. nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-04-11 14:18 -0400
                                      Re: A question of today's Yosemite update regarding iPhoto and its replacement. Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-04-11 21:57 +0000
          Re: A question of today's Yosemite update regarding iPhoto and its replacement. Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-04-09 13:39 +0000
            Re: A question of today's Yosemite update regarding iPhoto and its replacement. Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2015-04-09 08:51 -0700
              Re: A question of today's Yosemite update regarding iPhoto and its replacement. Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-04-09 17:21 +0000
                Re: A question of today's Yosemite update regarding iPhoto and its replacement. Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2015-04-09 13:27 -0400
                  Re: A question of today's Yosemite update regarding iPhoto and its replacement. Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-04-09 22:53 +0000
                    Re: A question of today's Yosemite update regarding iPhoto and its replacement. Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2015-04-10 10:12 -0400
                      Re: A question of today's Yosemite update regarding iPhoto and its replacement. John McWilliams <jpmcw@comcast.net> - 2015-04-10 20:00 -0700
                  Re: A question of today's Yosemite update regarding iPhoto and its replacement. David Fritzinger <email@domain.com> - 2015-04-10 09:22 -0400
                    Re: A question of today's Yosemite update regarding iPhoto and its replacement. Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-04-10 15:19 +0000
                    Re: A question of today's Yosemite update regarding iPhoto and its replacement. David Fritzinger <email@domain.com> - 2015-04-10 13:46 -0400
                      Re: A question of today's Yosemite update regarding iPhoto and its replacement. Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-04-11 11:24 +0000
                Re: A question of today's Yosemite update regarding iPhoto and its replacement. Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2015-04-09 10:39 -0700
                  Re: A question of today's Yosemite update regarding iPhoto and its replacement. Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-04-09 22:54 +0000
      Re: A question of today's Yosemite update regarding iPhoto and its replacement. Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-04-08 21:30 -0700
        Re: A question of today's Yosemite update regarding iPhoto and its replacement. Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2015-04-08 21:52 -0700
      Re: A question of today's Yosemite update regarding iPhoto and its replacement. David Fritzinger <email@domain.com> - 2015-04-09 10:58 -0400
        Re: A question of today's Yosemite update regarding iPhoto and its replacement. Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2015-04-09 09:00 -0700
          Re: A question of today's Yosemite update regarding iPhoto and its replacement. J Burns <burns4@nowhere.com> - 2015-04-09 12:02 -0400
            Re: A question of today's Yosemite update regarding iPhoto and its replacement. Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2015-04-09 09:16 -0700
          Re: A question of today's Yosemite update regarding iPhoto and its replacement. Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-04-09 17:34 +0000
          Re: A question of today's Yosemite update regarding iPhoto and its replacement. David Fritzinger <email@domain.com> - 2015-04-09 18:46 -0400
        Re: A question of today's Yosemite update regarding iPhoto and its replacement. Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-04-09 17:31 +0000
      Re: A question of today's Yosemite update regarding iPhoto and its replacement. Oregonian Haruspex <bob_davis_retired@yahoo.com> - 2015-04-09 12:17 -0700
        Re: A question of today's Yosemite update regarding iPhoto and its replacement. Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2015-04-09 12:35 -0700
          Re: A question of today's Yosemite update regarding iPhoto and its replacement. Oregonian Haruspex <bob_davis_retired@yahoo.com> - 2015-04-09 17:30 -0700
            Re: A question of today's Yosemite update regarding iPhoto and its replacement. Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2015-04-09 18:17 -0700
            Re: A question of today's Yosemite update regarding iPhoto and its replacement. gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2015-04-09 18:54 -0700
            Re: A question of today's Yosemite update regarding iPhoto and its replacement. nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-04-09 22:53 -0400
        Re: A question of today's Yosemite update regarding iPhoto and its replacement. nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-04-09 17:08 -0400
          Re: A question of today's Yosemite update regarding iPhoto and its replacement. Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2015-04-09 22:10 +0100
            Re: A question of today's Yosemite update regarding iPhoto and its replacement. nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-04-09 17:11 -0400
              Re: A question of today's Yosemite update regarding iPhoto and its replacement. Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2015-04-09 23:06 +0100
                Re: A question of today's Yosemite update regarding iPhoto and its replacement. nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-04-09 22:53 -0400
          Re: A question of today's Yosemite update regarding iPhoto and its replacement. JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-04-10 00:48 -0400
            Re: A question of today's Yosemite update regarding iPhoto and its replacement. Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-04-10 11:55 +0000
              Re: A question of today's Yosemite update regarding iPhoto and its replacement. M-M <nospam@ny.more> - 2015-04-10 10:59 -0400
                Re: A question of today's Yosemite update regarding iPhoto and its replacement. dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2015-04-19 08:33 +1200
                  Re: A question of today's Yosemite update regarding iPhoto and its replacement. M-M <nospam@ny.more> - 2015-04-19 17:33 -0400
                  Re: A question of today's Yosemite update regarding iPhoto and its replacement. erilar <drache@chibardun.net.invalid> - 2015-04-19 16:53 -0500
                    Re: A question of today's Yosemite update regarding iPhoto and its replacement. Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2015-04-19 22:59 +0100
                      Re: A question of today's Yosemite update regarding iPhoto and its replacement. Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-04-19 15:24 -0700
                      Re: A question of today's Yosemite update regarding iPhoto and its replacement. erilar <drache@chibardun.net.invalid> - 2015-04-20 12:21 -0500
                        Re: A question of today's Yosemite update regarding iPhoto and its replacement. David Ritz <dritz@mindspring.com> - 2015-04-20 14:44 -0500
                          Re: A question of today's Yosemite update regarding iPhoto and its replacement. David Ritz <dritz@mindspring.com> - 2015-04-20 16:18 -0500
                          Re: A question of today's Yosemite update regarding iPhoto and its replacement. erilar <drache@chibardun.net.invalid> - 2015-04-21 19:00 -0500
                    Re: A question of today's Yosemite update regarding iPhoto and its replacement. dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2015-04-20 10:51 +1200
                      Re: A question of today's Yosemite update regarding iPhoto and its replacement. John McWilliams <jpmcw@comcast.net> - 2015-04-19 16:59 -0700
                        Re: A question of today's Yosemite update regarding iPhoto and its replacement. sctvguy1 <sctvguy1@invalid.net> - 2015-04-20 03:26 +0000
                      Re: A question of today's Yosemite update regarding iPhoto and its replacement. erilar <drache@chibardun.net.invalid> - 2015-04-20 12:20 -0500
                    Re: A question of today's Yosemite update regarding iPhoto and its replacement. Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-04-20 03:40 +0000
                      Re: A question of today's Yosemite update regarding iPhoto and its replacement. erilar <drache@chibardun.net.invalid> - 2015-04-20 12:15 -0500
                        Re: A question of today's Yosemite update regarding iPhoto and its replacement. Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-04-20 10:23 -0700
                          Re: A question of today's Yosemite update regarding iPhoto and its replacement. David Ritz <dritz@mindspring.com> - 2015-04-20 13:49 -0500
        Re: A question of today's Yosemite update regarding iPhoto and its replacement. JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-04-10 00:41 -0400
    Re: A question of today's Yosemite update regarding iPhoto and its replacement. dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2015-04-09 14:06 +1200
      Re: A question of today's Yosemite update regarding iPhoto and its replacement. J Burns <burns4@nowhere.com> - 2015-04-09 12:00 -0400
    Re: A question of today's Yosemite update regarding iPhoto and its replacement. Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-04-09 12:50 +0000
      Re: A question of today's Yosemite update regarding iPhoto and its replacement. Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2015-04-09 10:19 -0400
        Re: A question of today's Yosemite update regarding iPhoto and its replacement. nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-04-09 10:41 -0400
        Re: A question of today's Yosemite update regarding iPhoto and its replacement. Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-04-09 17:17 +0000
    Re: A question of today's Yosemite update regarding iPhoto and its replacement. M-M <nospam@ny.more> - 2015-04-10 07:34 -0400
      Re: A question of today's Yosemite update regarding iPhoto and its replacement. Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2015-04-10 10:14 -0400
    Re: A question of today's Yosemite update regarding iPhoto and its replacement. pixel_a_ted <pixel_a_ted@yahoo.com> - 2015-04-20 19:31 -0700
      Re: A question of today's Yosemite update regarding iPhoto and its replacement. JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-04-20 23:53 -0400
        Re: A question of today's Yosemite update regarding iPhoto and its replacement. nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-04-21 09:45 -0400
      Re: A question of today's Yosemite update regarding iPhoto and its replacement. Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2015-04-21 07:14 -0400
      Re: A question of today's Yosemite update regarding iPhoto and its replacement. erilar <drache@chibardun.net.invalid> - 2015-04-21 18:46 -0500

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#73474

In article <1m338ww.p0x0vi179pe8gN%dempson@actrix.gen.nz>, David Empson
<dempson@actrix.gen.nz> wrote:

> M-M <nospam@ny.more> wrote:
> 
> > In article <slrnmifeju.vn7.g.kreme@amelia.local>, Lewis
> > <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:
> > 
> > > > MT Newswatcher is a good example of Apple pulling a framework out,
> > > > making a number of apps no longer functional.
> > > 
> > > Where "a number" is evidently "one" many years after the framework was
> > > deprecated and 20 years after the framework was introduced.
> > 
> > How about Appleworks and all the other powerPC apps?
> 
> The particular example of the framework which MT-Newswatcher needed
> (Open Transport) has only generally been known to affect that one
> application. I haven't heard of any other widely used applications that
> stopped working as of 10.9 because they were still using Open Transport
> at least six years after Apple warned it was deprecated and would be
> going away at some point.
> 
> Older applications like AppleWorks and Eudora were already not working
> as of 10.7, so 10.9 didn't change anything as far as they were
> concerned.

Thanks for the reply.

-- 
m-m
http://www.mhmyers.com

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#73476

In article <1m338ww.p0x0vi179pe8gN%dempson@actrix.gen.nz>,
 dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) wrote:

> M-M <nospam@ny.more> wrote:
> 
> > In article <slrnmifeju.vn7.g.kreme@amelia.local>, Lewis
> > <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:
> > 
> > > > MT Newswatcher is a good example of Apple pulling a framework out,
> > > > making a number of apps no longer functional.
> > > 
> > > Where "a number" is evidently "one" many years after the framework was
> > > deprecated and 20 years after the framework was introduced.
> > 
> > How about Appleworks and all the other powerPC apps?
> 
> The particular example of the framework which MT-Newswatcher needed
> (Open Transport) has only generally been known to affect that one
> application. I haven't heard of any other widely used applications that
> stopped working as of 10.9 because they were still using Open Transport
> at least six years after Apple warned it was deprecated and would be
> going away at some point.
> 
> Older applications like AppleWorks and Eudora were already not working
> as of 10.7, so 10.9 didn't change anything as far as they were
> concerned.

I've been getting "won't work" notices of plenty of things besides MTNW!  
And I have yet to get ANY newsgroup reader working in Yosemite.  
Fortunately the old laptop still works fine.

-- 
Erilar, biblioholic medievalist

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#73478

In article <drache-ECEAF3.16533919042015@88-209-239-213.giganet.hu>,
erilar <drache@chibardun.net.invalid> wrote:

>In article <1m338ww.p0x0vi179pe8gN%dempson@actrix.gen.nz>,
> dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) wrote:
>
>> M-M <nospam@ny.more> wrote:
>> 
>> > In article <slrnmifeju.vn7.g.kreme@amelia.local>, Lewis
>> > <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:
>> > 
>> > > > MT Newswatcher is a good example of Apple pulling a framework out,
>> > > > making a number of apps no longer functional.
>> > > 
>> > > Where "a number" is evidently "one" many years after the framework was
>> > > deprecated and 20 years after the framework was introduced.
>> > 
>> > How about Appleworks and all the other powerPC apps?
>> 
>> The particular example of the framework which MT-Newswatcher needed
>> (Open Transport) has only generally been known to affect that one
>> application. I haven't heard of any other widely used applications that
>> stopped working as of 10.9 because they were still using Open Transport
>> at least six years after Apple warned it was deprecated and would be
>> going away at some point.
>> 
>> Older applications like AppleWorks and Eudora were already not working
>> as of 10.7, so 10.9 didn't change anything as far as they were
>> concerned.
>
>I've been getting "won't work" notices of plenty of things besides MTNW!  
>And I have yet to get ANY newsgroup reader working in Yosemite.

Thoth works in Mavericks, so I'd imagine it works in Yos.

>Fortunately the old laptop still works fine.

If the old one still works fine, then why are you not taking it and the
new one to a proper Apple place as suggested by someone, and getting
the job done properly?

-- 
"I am enclosing two tickets to the first night of my new play; bring a
friend.... if you have one." - GB Shaw to Churchill "Cannot possibly
attend first night, will attend second...  if there is one." - Winston
Churchill, in response.

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#73480

In article <190420152259110236%timstreater@greenbee.net>, Tim Streater
<timstreater@greenbee.net> wrote:

> >And I have yet to get ANY newsgroup reader working in Yosemite.
> 
> Thoth works in Mavericks, so I'd imagine it works in Yos.

It does, but it's not available any more, except for a time-limited
demo version.

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#73787

In article <190420152259110236%timstreater@greenbee.net>,
 Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> wrote:

> If the old one still works fine, then why are you not taking it and the
> new one to a proper Apple place as suggested by someone, and getting
> the job done properly?

that's where it all began.

-- 
Erilar, biblioholic medievalist

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#73801

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On Monday, 20 April 2015 12:21 -0500, 
 in article <drache-22BE23.12211720042015@88-209-239-213.giganet.hu>, 
 erilar <drache@chibardun.net.invalid> wrote:

> In article <190420152259110236%timstreater@greenbee.net>,
>  Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> wrote:

>> If the old one still works fine, then why are you not taking it and 
>> the new one to a proper Apple place as suggested by someone, and 
>> getting the job done properly?

> that's where it all began.

Actually, it began when you decided to take your new Mac to an as yet 
unnamed shop, which you claim specializes in Macs; a claim I'm rather 
loath to accept.  From your descriptions, you requested that $SHOP 
copy all your data from the old Mac to the new one.  As some of the 
items thus copied were not usable, in the form in which they existed 
under Snow Leopard, it's no wonder 'nothing works' has become your 
mantra.  You and your 'Mac specialist' managed to turn your new Mac 
into something so FUBAR, it's no wonder you're having problem, which 
you incorrectly blame on Yosemite.  The actual blame rests entirely 
upon you and your choices, actions and faulty assumptions regarding 
how things work.

At this point, a clean install of the Yosemite OS may be your best 
starting point, followed by a Genius Bar appointment, at your nearest 
Apple Store.  The recommendation I've made to you, repeatedly, is to 
take your entire kit to a bricks and mortar Apple Store, for an 
appointment with a Mac Genius, something you are obviously not.

With both your old laptop, running OS X 10.6.x, and your "new 
computer," running OS X 10.10.x, your Genius can perform the 
_migration_ from your old to new Macs.  While such a migration does 
copy all you documents, music, books and other media files, to the new 
computer, they may get filed in new locations.  While some of your 
applications will copy, those which were written to run on PPCs and 
require Rosetta, to run under Snow Leopard, such as MT-NW, may not.  
(After all these years, a good culling of accumulated cruft seems long 
overdue.)

The migration may take several hours, depending on how much data is 
being copied in the migration process.

In order to perform a migration, the two computers need to be 
connected to each other.  You'll need the assistance of a Mac Genius, 
to show you how, as doing so is well beyond your severely limited 
technical skill set.

A migration can also be accomplished from a Time Machine backup, but I 
suspect you don't backup anything.  If you do have Time Machine 
backups, of your Mac running Snow Leopard, you could bring the 
outboard drive, instead of your laptop, for the migration.

Once the _migration_ completes, another Genius Bar appointment would 
appear to be required, to migrate your iPad to the Yosemite box.  
Again, depending on how much data you store on your iPad, will 
determine how long configuration and synchronization to the Yosemite 
will take.  Have this done by the pros, as you'll undoubtedly turn the 
process FUBAR, if left to your own devices.

An Apple store is not an 'iStore', as you refer to it.  It can provide 
you with the professional technical assistance and training, you so 
desperately need.

(HAND is still better than FOAD.)

-- 
David Ritz <dritz@mindspring.com>
 Be kind to animals; kiss a shark.

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#73805

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On Monday, 20 April 2015 14:44 -0500, 
 in article <alpine.OSX.2.20.1504201352190.57809@mako.ath.cx>, 
 David Ritz <dritz@mindspring.com> wrote:

> At this point, a clean install of the Yosemite OS may be your best 
> starting point, followed by a Genius Bar appointment, at your 
> nearest Apple Store.  The recommendation I've made to you, 
> repeatedly, is to take your entire kit to a bricks and mortar Apple 
> Store, for an appointment with a Mac Genius, something you are 
> obviously not.

I'll retract.  You should not perform the clean OS install.  That, 
too, is quite beyond your skill set.

Let a Mac Genius do it for you, at the Apple store.  This will assure 
that you are not going to stick your fingers in anything beyond your 
comprehension, of otherwise fuck up the migration process.

::sigh::

-- 
David Ritz <dritz@mindspring.com>
 Be kind to animals; kiss a shark.

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#73842

In article <alpine.OSX.2.20.1504201352190.57809@mako.ath.cx>,
 David Ritz <dritz@mindspring.com> wrote:

> Actually, it began when you decided to take your new Mac to an as yet 
> unnamed shop, which you claim specializes in Macs; a claim I'm rather 
> loath to accept.  From your descriptions, you requested that $SHOP 
> copy all your data from the old Mac to the new one.  As some of the 
> items thus copied were not usable, in the form in which they existed 
> under Snow Leopard, it's no wonder 'nothing works' has become your 
> mantra.  You and your 'Mac specialist' managed to turn your new Mac 
> into something so FUBAR, it's no wonder you're having problem, which 
> you incorrectly blame on Yosemite.  The actual blame rests entirely 
> upon you and your choices, actions and faulty assumptions regarding 
> how things work.

False across the board. I bought the new laptop at the same place where 
I have purchased  hardware  and satisfactory service for a decade now 
with a different plan in mind which proved impossible to implement. The 
resulting problems are not their fault and taking it back will not cure 
them.  The problem is Yosemite, whether or not you happen to believe it. 
I am grossly disappointed in this alleged "upgrade" and its versions of 
software I was perfectly happy with. The old laptop was almost full and 
admittedly a bit old as computers go.  I was not looking forward to 
getting used to new software, but I did not expect every piece of it I 
had major use for to be inferior to older software.  

Some people eagerly adopt these "upgrades" just because they are new. I 
am not such a person. Detailed control is more important to me than 
useless(for my purposes) bells and whistles.

-- 
Erilar, biblioholic medievalist

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#73481

erilar <drache@chibardun.net.invalid> wrote:

> In article <1m338ww.p0x0vi179pe8gN%dempson@actrix.gen.nz>,
>  dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) wrote:
> 
> > M-M <nospam@ny.more> wrote:
> > 
> > > In article <slrnmifeju.vn7.g.kreme@amelia.local>, Lewis
> > > <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:
> > > 
> > > > > MT Newswatcher is a good example of Apple pulling a framework out,
> > > > > making a number of apps no longer functional.
> > > > 
> > > > Where "a number" is evidently "one" many years after the framework was
> > > > deprecated and 20 years after the framework was introduced.
> > > 
> > > How about Appleworks and all the other powerPC apps?
> > 
> > The particular example of the framework which MT-Newswatcher needed
> > (Open Transport) has only generally been known to affect that one
> > application. I haven't heard of any other widely used applications that
> > stopped working as of 10.9 because they were still using Open Transport
> > at least six years after Apple warned it was deprecated and would be
> > going away at some point.
> > 
> > Older applications like AppleWorks and Eudora were already not working
> > as of 10.7, so 10.9 didn't change anything as far as they were
> > concerned.
> 
> I've been getting "won't work" notices of plenty of things besides MTNW!

You've jumped multiple OS X versions, and were previously running OS X
10.6, so most of your old applications which don't work any more were
due to 10.7 and later no longer supporting PowerPC-only applications.

Complaining about Yosemite (or Mavericks) is not helpful - you would
have had almost as many non-working old applications if you had got a
new Mac running Lion or Mountain Lion, and probably the same number if
your new Mac was running Mavericks.

MT-Newswatcher is the only application I know of which was broken by
Apple removing Open Transport networking in Mavericks (which is what was
being talked about in this sub-thread).

I generally keep my applications up to date, and upgrade to new major OS
X versions as soon as I've had time to test and ensure my important
applications are working (typically one to two weeks after the new OS X
version is released).

Abandoned PowerPC-only applications were my main stumbling block in
upgrading to 10.7. It took me ten months to finally give up hope of a
viable Eudora workalike, and I switched to Apple Mail.

I've retained access to other occasionally used PowerPC applications by
having a copy of Snow Leopard Server running in a virtual machine (plus
I have older Macs which can run older Mac OS and Mac OS X versions if
necessary).

> And I have yet to get ANY newsgroup reader working in Yosemite.  

As I've said at least twice, MacSOUP works fine. I can't say whether it
works in a useful way before you pay for it, since it is almost twenty
years since I paid for my copy.

-- 
David Empson
dempson@actrix.gen.nz

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#73486

On 4/19/15   PDT 3:51 PM, David Empson wrote:
> erilar <drache@chibardun.net.invalid> wrote:
>
>> In article <1m338ww.p0x0vi179pe8gN%dempson@actrix.gen.nz>,
>>   dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) wrote:
>>
>>> M-M <nospam@ny.more> wrote:
>>>
>>>> In article <slrnmifeju.vn7.g.kreme@amelia.local>, Lewis
>>>> <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>> MT Newswatcher is a good example of Apple pulling a framework out,
>>>>>> making a number of apps no longer functional.
>>>>>
>>>>> Where "a number" is evidently "one" many years after the framework was
>>>>> deprecated and 20 years after the framework was introduced.
>>>>
>>>> How about Appleworks and all the other powerPC apps?
>>>
>>> The particular example of the framework which MT-Newswatcher needed
>>> (Open Transport) has only generally been known to affect that one
>>> application. I haven't heard of any other widely used applications that
>>> stopped working as of 10.9 because they were still using Open Transport
>>> at least six years after Apple warned it was deprecated and would be
>>> going away at some point.
>>>
>>> Older applications like AppleWorks and Eudora were already not working
>>> as of 10.7, so 10.9 didn't change anything as far as they were
>>> concerned.
>>
>> I've been getting "won't work" notices of plenty of things besides MTNW!
>
> You've jumped multiple OS X versions, and were previously running OS X
> 10.6, so most of your old applications which don't work any more were
> due to 10.7 and later no longer supporting PowerPC-only applications.
>
> Complaining about Yosemite (or Mavericks) is not helpful - you would
> have had almost as many non-working old applications if you had got a
> new Mac running Lion or Mountain Lion, and probably the same number if
> your new Mac was running Mavericks.
>
> MT-Newswatcher is the only application I know of which was broken by
> Apple removing Open Transport networking in Mavericks (which is what was
> being talked about in this sub-thread).
>
> I generally keep my applications up to date, and upgrade to new major OS
> X versions as soon as I've had time to test and ensure my important
> applications are working (typically one to two weeks after the new OS X
> version is released).
>
> Abandoned PowerPC-only applications were my main stumbling block in
> upgrading to 10.7. It took me ten months to finally give up hope of a
> viable Eudora workalike, and I switched to Apple Mail.
>
> I've retained access to other occasionally used PowerPC applications by
> having a copy of Snow Leopard Server running in a virtual machine (plus
> I have older Macs which can run older Mac OS and Mac OS X versions if
> necessary).
>
>> And I have yet to get ANY newsgroup reader working in Yosemite.
>
> As I've said at least twice, MacSOUP works fine. I can't say whether it
> works in a useful way before you pay for it, since it is almost twenty
> years since I paid for my copy.

Well said, David.

Thunderbird, while not elegant, has worked fine enough for me for NNTP 
stuff. That and eternal-September as my provider. I have it also set up 
for mail, but use Mail as my mainstay.

-- 
Coach: "Are you just ignorant, or merely apathetic?"
Player: "Coach, I don't know, and I don't care."

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#73553

On Sun, 19 Apr 2015 16:59:57 -0700, John McWilliams wrote:



> Thunderbird, while not elegant, has worked fine enough for me for NNTP
> stuff. That and eternal-September as my provider. I have it also set up
> for mail, but use Mail as my mainstay.

I just got fed up with NNTP readers that were Mac specific, and went with 
Thunderbird.  As you say, not really elegant, but it does work across all 
platforms.  I used it when I had OS/2 and on Linux before I went with Pan.

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#73786

In article <1m368z5.gtdzccqah1q4N%dempson@actrix.gen.nz>,
 dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) wrote:

> As I've said at least twice, MacSOUP works fine. I can't say whether it
> works in a useful way before you pay for it, since it is almost twenty
> years since I paid for my copy.

Since I,ve been unable to get either Unison or Thunderbird to work at 
all, I, not about to pay for yet another that may prove just as useless. 
At any rate. I'm going to be a minimum of 350 miles from the Yosemite 
laptop for a month before I try again.

-- 
Erilar, biblioholic medievalist

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#73560

In message <drache-ECEAF3.16533919042015@88-209-239-213.giganet.hu> 
  erilar <drache@chibardun.net.invalid> wrote:
> In article <1m338ww.p0x0vi179pe8gN%dempson@actrix.gen.nz>,
>  dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) wrote:

>> M-M <nospam@ny.more> wrote:
>> 
>> > In article <slrnmifeju.vn7.g.kreme@amelia.local>, Lewis
>> > <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:
>> > 
>> > > > MT Newswatcher is a good example of Apple pulling a framework out,
>> > > > making a number of apps no longer functional.
>> > > 
>> > > Where "a number" is evidently "one" many years after the framework was
>> > > deprecated and 20 years after the framework was introduced.
>> > 
>> > How about Appleworks and all the other powerPC apps?
>> 
>> The particular example of the framework which MT-Newswatcher needed
>> (Open Transport) has only generally been known to affect that one
>> application. I haven't heard of any other widely used applications that
>> stopped working as of 10.9 because they were still using Open Transport
>> at least six years after Apple warned it was deprecated and would be
>> going away at some point.
>> 
>> Older applications like AppleWorks and Eudora were already not working
>> as of 10.7, so 10.9 didn't change anything as far as they were
>> concerned.

> I've been getting "won't work" notices of plenty of things besides MTNW!  

Of things that worked in 10.9? Name them.

> And I have yet to get ANY newsgroup reader working in Yosemite.  

Well, you have a very serious PEBKAC problem, but that has nothing to do
with newsreaders working in Yosemite.

-- 
The world is made of four elements: Earth, Air, Fire and Water. This is
a fact well known even to Corporal Nobbs. It's also wrong. There's a
fifth element, and generally it's called Surprise. --The Truth

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#73785

In article <slrnmj8tbf.1eq.g.kreme@amelia.local>,
 Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:

> Well, you have a very serious PEBKAC problem, but that has nothing to do
> with newsreaders working in Yosemite.

Are those caps supposed to mean something?

-- 
Erilar, biblioholic medievalist

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#73788

In article <drache-F53AF0.12153920042015@88-209-239-213.giganet.hu>,
erilar <drache@chibardun.net.invalid> wrote:

> In article <slrnmj8tbf.1eq.g.kreme@amelia.local>,
>  Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:
> 
> > Well, you have a very serious PEBKAC problem, but that has nothing to do
> > with newsreaders working in Yosemite.
> 
> Are those caps supposed to mean something?

Problem Exists Between Keyboard And Chair.

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#73796

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On Monday, 20 April 2015 10:23 -0700, 
 in article <200420151023311132%michelle@michelle.org>, 
 Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> wrote:

> In article <drache-F53AF0.12153920042015@88-209-239-213.giganet.hu>,
> erilar <drache@chibardun.net.invalid> wrote:

>> In article <slrnmj8tbf.1eq.g.kreme@amelia.local>,
>>  Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:

>>> Well, you have a very serious PEBKAC problem, but that has nothing 
>>> to do with newsreaders working in Yosemite.

>> Are those caps supposed to mean something?

> Problem Exists Between Keyboard And Chair.

PEBCAK, which I've used a few times in threads where you participate, 
is an acronym for Problem Exists Between Chair And Keyboard.  These 
are used as references to (l)user errors.  While I haven't seen it 
used, in reference to your innumerable self-inflicted issues, these 
might also be described as ID-10T errors.  (Both PEBCAK and ID-10T can 
be found using your Dictionary.app, at Wikipedia.)

HTH.  HAND.

-- 
David Ritz <dritz@mindspring.com>
 <http://www.catb.org/jargon/html/P/PEBKAC.html>
 <http://www.catb.org/jargon/html/H/HTH.html>
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#72977

On 15-04-09 15:17, Oregonian Haruspex wrote:

> What Apple's saying is that Aperture's "done" but I don't think they 
> are saying they will take special measures to ensure that it breaks.

They took special measures to make sure Server Monitor and Server Admin
were disabled (and deleted from clients), removing the ability to manage
older servers.

However,  for iPhoto/Aperture, they not only kept the two during
install, but they also architected the new one to share the photos
between old and new (although with different indexes from what I heard)

Once you start using Photos, the photos you add to it are not indexed
into iPhoto so that app becomes useless and Apple probably figures that
once Photos becomes good enough, users will abandon iPhoto on their own.
Until then, they will let both co-exist.

Whether they will eventually pull the plug on iphoto remains to be seen.

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#72901

Juan I. Cahis <jiclbchSINBASURA@attglobal.net> wrote:

> I understand that Yosemite today's update replaces Aperture and iPhoto by a
> new Apple product. 
> 
> But are Aperture or iPhoto *deleted* from the Mac's hard disk when
> upgrading?

No. The new Photos.app is added, and both iPhoto and Aperture are still
there and can still be used.

Sidebar: as expected, Apple has removed iPhoto and Aperture from App
Store, but they are still available via the Purchases list if you
already had them from App Store. I don't know whether it is still
possible to upgrade from a DVD install of iLife '11 to the App Store
version of iPhoto, or similarly for the retail Aperture 3, but I
wouldn't be surprised if that has gone away.

> Or can both products be used after upgrading?

Yes, but there are some potential complications depending on how you use
each application.

You can optionally import your existing iPhoto or Aperture library into
Photos. That creates a duplicate of the existing library, but it doesn't
double the disk space required: hard links are used to refer to the
original photos, so the photos themselves don't occupy any more space,
just the metadata and structural information needed by the Photos
library.

After the library is imported, you will have two libraries (one for
iPhoto/Aperture and one for Photos) which operate independently. Any
subsequent changes made in iPhoto/Aperture will not affect Photos, and
vice versa.

For example, after importing your library into Photos, if you then used
iPhoto to import some new photos, they would not automatically appear in
Photos. You would have to also import them using Photos.

You can even delete either library without affecting the other one.

I'm not sure yet what happens with syncing photos to iOS devices via
iTunes. Presumably iPhoto or Aperture can still be used as a source, but
there wasn't an iTunes update at the same time, so it might not support
direct syncing from Photos.

(I won't get a chance to try it myself for a couple of weeks.)

-- 
David Empson
dempson@actrix.gen.nz

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#72933

On 4/8/15, 10:06 PM, David Empson wrote:
> You can optionally import your existing iPhoto or Aperture library into
> Photos. That creates a duplicate of the existing library, but it doesn't
> double the disk space required: hard links are used to refer to the
> original photos, so the photos themselves don't occupy any more space,
> just the metadata and structural information needed by the Photos
> library.

when I opened iPhoto, it warned that my library had been migrated to 
PHotos. Any changes I made it iPhoto would not appear in Photos.

iPhoto takes 1.7GB.  Photos takes .05GB. Hmmm...

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#72922

In message <2001284918450235431.601246jiclbchSINBASURA-attglobal.net@news-central.giganews.com> 
  Juan I  Cahis <jiclbchSINBASURA@attglobal.net> wrote:
> Dear friends:

> I understand that Yosemite today's update replaces Aperture and iPhoto by a
> new Apple product. 

No replacement occurs. iPhoto and Aperture are still there and still
work.

That said, Photos is better and faster than iPhoto. I would not try to
hang on to iPhoto.

-- 
Lister: What d'ya think of Betty? Cat: Betty Rubble? Well, I would go
with Betty... but I'd be thinking of Wilma. Lister: This is crazy. Why
are we talking about going to bed with Wilma Flintstone? Cat: You're
right. We're nuts. This is an insane conversation. Lister: She'll never
leave Fred, and we know it.

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