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Re: A question of today's Yosemite update regarding iPhoto and its replacement.

From John McWilliams <jpmcw@comcast.net>
Newsgroups comp.sys.mac.system
Subject Re: A question of today's Yosemite update regarding iPhoto and its replacement.
Date 2015-04-19 16:59 -0700
Organization Sept. all the time
Message-ID <mh1fg3$294$1@dont-email.me> (permalink)
References (5 earlier) <slrnmifeju.vn7.g.kreme@amelia.local> <100420151059504287%nospam@ny.more> <1m338ww.p0x0vi179pe8gN%dempson@actrix.gen.nz> <drache-ECEAF3.16533919042015@88-209-239-213.giganet.hu> <1m368z5.gtdzccqah1q4N%dempson@actrix.gen.nz>

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On 4/19/15   PDT 3:51 PM, David Empson wrote:
> erilar <drache@chibardun.net.invalid> wrote:
>
>> In article <1m338ww.p0x0vi179pe8gN%dempson@actrix.gen.nz>,
>>   dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) wrote:
>>
>>> M-M <nospam@ny.more> wrote:
>>>
>>>> In article <slrnmifeju.vn7.g.kreme@amelia.local>, Lewis
>>>> <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>> MT Newswatcher is a good example of Apple pulling a framework out,
>>>>>> making a number of apps no longer functional.
>>>>>
>>>>> Where "a number" is evidently "one" many years after the framework was
>>>>> deprecated and 20 years after the framework was introduced.
>>>>
>>>> How about Appleworks and all the other powerPC apps?
>>>
>>> The particular example of the framework which MT-Newswatcher needed
>>> (Open Transport) has only generally been known to affect that one
>>> application. I haven't heard of any other widely used applications that
>>> stopped working as of 10.9 because they were still using Open Transport
>>> at least six years after Apple warned it was deprecated and would be
>>> going away at some point.
>>>
>>> Older applications like AppleWorks and Eudora were already not working
>>> as of 10.7, so 10.9 didn't change anything as far as they were
>>> concerned.
>>
>> I've been getting "won't work" notices of plenty of things besides MTNW!
>
> You've jumped multiple OS X versions, and were previously running OS X
> 10.6, so most of your old applications which don't work any more were
> due to 10.7 and later no longer supporting PowerPC-only applications.
>
> Complaining about Yosemite (or Mavericks) is not helpful - you would
> have had almost as many non-working old applications if you had got a
> new Mac running Lion or Mountain Lion, and probably the same number if
> your new Mac was running Mavericks.
>
> MT-Newswatcher is the only application I know of which was broken by
> Apple removing Open Transport networking in Mavericks (which is what was
> being talked about in this sub-thread).
>
> I generally keep my applications up to date, and upgrade to new major OS
> X versions as soon as I've had time to test and ensure my important
> applications are working (typically one to two weeks after the new OS X
> version is released).
>
> Abandoned PowerPC-only applications were my main stumbling block in
> upgrading to 10.7. It took me ten months to finally give up hope of a
> viable Eudora workalike, and I switched to Apple Mail.
>
> I've retained access to other occasionally used PowerPC applications by
> having a copy of Snow Leopard Server running in a virtual machine (plus
> I have older Macs which can run older Mac OS and Mac OS X versions if
> necessary).
>
>> And I have yet to get ANY newsgroup reader working in Yosemite.
>
> As I've said at least twice, MacSOUP works fine. I can't say whether it
> works in a useful way before you pay for it, since it is almost twenty
> years since I paid for my copy.

Well said, David.

Thunderbird, while not elegant, has worked fine enough for me for NNTP 
stuff. That and eternal-September as my provider. I have it also set up 
for mail, but use Mail as my mainstay.

-- 
Coach: "Are you just ignorant, or merely apathetic?"
Player: "Coach, I don't know, and I don't care."

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A question of today's Yosemite update regarding iPhoto and its replacement.  Juan I. Cahis <jiclbchSINBASURA@attglobal.net> - 2015-04-08 20:31 -0500
  Re: A question of today's Yosemite update regarding iPhoto and its replacement.  Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2015-04-08 18:59 -0700
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      Re: A question of today's Yosemite update regarding iPhoto and its replacement. Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2015-04-08 20:12 -0700
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            Re: A question of today's Yosemite update regarding iPhoto and its replacement. Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-04-09 14:00 +0000
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