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| Started by | "W" <persistentone@spamarrest.com> |
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| First post | 2014-01-05 19:16 -0800 |
| Last post | 2014-01-08 03:27 +0000 |
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iPad Mini Makes Picture Sound "W" <persistentone@spamarrest.com> - 2014-01-05 19:16 -0800
Re: iPad Mini Makes Picture Sound Michael Vilain <vilain@NOspamcop.net> - 2014-01-05 19:25 -0800
Re: iPad Mini Makes Picture Sound Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-01-06 16:27 +1300
Re: iPad Mini Makes Picture Sound "W" <persistentone@spamarrest.com> - 2014-01-05 21:19 -0800
Re: iPad Mini Makes Picture Sound Michael Vilain <vilain@NOspamcop.net> - 2014-01-05 21:53 -0800
Re: iPad Mini Makes Picture Sound Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-01-06 18:54 +1300
Re: iPad Mini Makes Picture Sound "W" <persistentone@spamarrest.com> - 2014-01-06 00:28 -0800
Re: iPad Mini Makes Picture Sound Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-01-07 09:09 +1300
Re: iPad Mini Makes Picture Sound nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-01-07 13:29 -0500
Re: iPad Mini Makes Picture Sound "W" <persistentone@spamarrest.com> - 2014-01-09 03:45 -0800
Re: iPad Mini Makes Picture Sound nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-01-09 11:54 -0500
Re: iPad Mini Makes Picture Sound "W" <persistentone@spamarrest.com> - 2014-01-09 22:01 -0800
Re: iPad Mini Makes Picture Sound Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> - 2014-01-09 22:06 -0800
Re: iPad Mini Makes Picture Sound "W" <persistentone@spamarrest.com> - 2014-01-11 21:12 -0800
Re: iPad Mini Makes Picture Sound Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-01-12 19:10 +1300
Re: iPad Mini Makes Picture Sound Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-01-12 18:40 +0000
Re: iPad Mini Makes Picture Sound nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-01-10 15:39 -0500
Re: iPad Mini Makes Picture Sound "W" <persistentone@spamarrest.com> - 2014-01-11 21:15 -0800
Re: iPad Mini Makes Picture Sound Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-01-11 23:20 -0700
Re: iPad Mini Makes Picture Sound "W" <persistentone@spamarrest.com> - 2014-01-12 01:20 -0800
Re: iPad Mini Makes Picture Sound nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-01-12 13:03 -0500
Re: iPad Mini Makes Picture Sound Michael Vilain <vilain@NOspamcop.net> - 2014-01-11 22:33 -0800
Re: iPad Mini Makes Picture Sound Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-01-12 00:14 -0700
Re: iPad Mini Makes Picture Sound Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-01-12 22:03 +0000
Re: iPad Mini Makes Picture Sound Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-01-12 18:19 -0700
Re: iPad Mini Makes Picture Sound Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-01-13 02:03 +0000
Re: iPad Mini Makes Picture Sound Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-01-12 21:56 -0700
Re: iPad Mini Makes Picture Sound nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-01-12 13:03 -0500
Re: iPad Mini Makes Picture Sound Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-01-10 09:33 +0000
Re: iPad Mini Makes Picture Sound "W" <persistentone@spamarrest.com> - 2014-01-11 21:16 -0800
Re: iPad Mini Makes Picture Sound Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-01-12 05:20 +0000
Re: iPad Mini Makes Picture Sound "W" <persistentone@spamarrest.com> - 2014-01-12 01:23 -0800
Re: iPad Mini Makes Picture Sound nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-01-12 13:03 -0500
Re: iPad Mini Makes Picture Sound nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-01-12 13:03 -0500
Re: iPad Mini Makes Picture Sound J Burns <burns4@nowhere.com> - 2014-01-06 01:04 -0500
Re: iPad Mini Makes Picture Sound "W" <persistentone@spamarrest.com> - 2014-01-06 00:25 -0800
Re: iPad Mini Makes Picture Sound J Burns <burns4@nowhere.com> - 2014-01-06 05:11 -0500
Re: iPad Mini Makes Picture Sound "W" <persistentone@spamarrest.com> - 2014-01-06 11:57 -0800
Re: iPad Mini Makes Picture Sound J Burns <burns4@nowhere.com> - 2014-01-06 15:26 -0500
Re: iPad Mini Makes Picture Sound claudel@sonic.net (Claude V. Lucas) - 2014-01-06 13:06 +0000
Re: iPad Mini Makes Picture Sound Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-01-06 16:12 +0000
Re: iPad Mini Makes Picture Sound claudel@sonic.net (Claude V. Lucas) - 2014-01-06 16:29 +0000
Re: iPad Mini Makes Picture Sound nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-01-07 13:29 -0500
Re: iPad Mini Makes Picture Sound Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-01-06 12:11 +0000
Re: iPad Mini Makes Picture Sound "W" <persistentone@spamarrest.com> - 2014-01-06 12:02 -0800
Re: iPad Mini Makes Picture Sound nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-01-07 13:29 -0500
Re: iPad Mini Makes Picture Sound nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-01-07 13:29 -0500
Re: iPad Mini Makes Picture Sound Charles <fort514@mac.com> - 2014-01-06 19:53 -0500
Re: iPad Mini Makes Picture Sound nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-01-07 13:29 -0500
Re: iPad Mini Makes Picture Sound "M. John Matlaw" <nouser@invalid.com> - 2014-01-07 17:06 -0500
Re: iPad Mini Makes Picture Sound nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-01-07 18:50 -0500
Re: iPad Mini Makes Picture Sound "M. John Matlaw" <nouser@invalid.com> - 2014-01-08 06:03 -0500
Re: iPad Mini Makes Picture Sound "W" <persistentone@spamarrest.com> - 2014-01-09 03:50 -0800
Re: iPad Mini Makes Picture Sound Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-01-09 18:54 +0000
Re: iPad Mini Makes Picture Sound "W" <persistentone@spamarrest.com> - 2014-01-09 22:02 -0800
Re: iPad Mini Makes Picture Sound Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-01-08 03:27 +0000
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| From | "W" <persistentone@spamarrest.com> |
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| Date | 2014-01-05 19:16 -0800 |
| Subject | iPad Mini Makes Picture Sound |
| Message-ID | <K72dnY3P88CGvVfPnZ2dnUVZ5hGdnZ2d@giganews.com> |
I am listening to a Podcast on my iPad Mini, and I'm noticing that - with the screen cover already secured - when I set the iPad down on a table, or lift it off, I hear a system sound that is the same as the one that is made when you snap a photo. Is this normal behavior? Not sure if I should be worried about a trojan on my iPad. -- W
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| From | Michael Vilain <vilain@NOspamcop.net> |
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| Date | 2014-01-05 19:25 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <vilain-8256A5.19251305012014@news.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #54410 |
In article <K72dnY3P88CGvVfPnZ2dnUVZ5hGdnZ2d@giganews.com>, "W" <persistentone@spamarrest.com> wrote: > I am listening to a Podcast on my iPad Mini, and I'm noticing that - with > the screen cover already secured - when I set the iPad down on a table, or > lift it off, I hear a system sound that is the same as the one that is made > when you snap a photo. Is this normal behavior? Not sure if I should > be worried about a trojan on my iPad. You mean you don't wear a condom when you're using it? Shame on you. Transmitting STDs. -- DeeDee, don't press that button! DeeDee! NO! Dee... [I filter all Goggle Groups posts, so any reply may be automatically ignored]
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| From | Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> |
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| Date | 2014-01-06 16:27 +1300 |
| Message-ID | <060120141627473056%YourName@YourISP.com> |
| In reply to | #54410 |
In article <K72dnY3P88CGvVfPnZ2dnUVZ5hGdnZ2d@giganews.com>, <persistentone@spamarrest.com> wrote: > > I am listening to a Podcast on my iPad Mini, and I'm noticing that - with > the screen cover already secured - when I set the iPad down on a table, or > lift it off, I hear a system sound that is the same as the one that is made > when you snap a photo. Is this normal behavior? Not sure if I should > be worried about a trojan on my iPad. Did you "jailbreak" your iPad?? If not, then it's *extremely* unlikely to be any kind of trojan or malware.
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| From | "W" <persistentone@spamarrest.com> |
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| Date | 2014-01-05 21:19 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <wcGdnSK31uRkoVfPnZ2dnUVZ5gWdnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #54413 |
"Your Name" <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote in message news:060120141627473056%YourName@YourISP.com... > In article <K72dnY3P88CGvVfPnZ2dnUVZ5hGdnZ2d@giganews.com>, > <persistentone@spamarrest.com> wrote: > > > > I am listening to a Podcast on my iPad Mini, and I'm noticing that - with > > the screen cover already secured - when I set the iPad down on a table, or > > lift it off, I hear a system sound that is the same as the one that is made > > when you snap a photo. Is this normal behavior? Not sure if I should > > be worried about a trojan on my iPad. > > Did you "jailbreak" your iPad?? If not, then it's *extremely* unlikely > to be any kind of trojan or malware. No jailbreak, but the Internet is loaded with trojans that listen in on an iPad, such as: http://www.webwatcher.com/?gclid=CKORmZ3m6LsCFYN_QgodMQIAig That was just one of the first links that pops up on a Google search for "spy software for ipad". In any case, I'm just trying to understand what events on an iPad lead to that shutter sound, because I seem to be triggering it. -- W
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| From | Michael Vilain <vilain@NOspamcop.net> |
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| Date | 2014-01-05 21:53 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <vilain-936BD4.21532605012014@news.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #54417 |
In article <wcGdnSK31uRkoVfPnZ2dnUVZ5gWdnZ2d@giganews.com>, "W" <persistentone@spamarrest.com> wrote: > "Your Name" <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote in message > news:060120141627473056%YourName@YourISP.com... > > In article <K72dnY3P88CGvVfPnZ2dnUVZ5hGdnZ2d@giganews.com>, > > <persistentone@spamarrest.com> wrote: > > > > > > I am listening to a Podcast on my iPad Mini, and I'm noticing that - > with > > > the screen cover already secured - when I set the iPad down on a table, > or > > > lift it off, I hear a system sound that is the same as the one that is > made > > > when you snap a photo. Is this normal behavior? Not sure if I > should > > > be worried about a trojan on my iPad. > > > > Did you "jailbreak" your iPad?? If not, then it's *extremely* unlikely > > to be any kind of trojan or malware. > > No jailbreak, but the Internet is loaded with trojans that listen in on an > iPad, such as: > > http://www.webwatcher.com/?gclid=CKORmZ3m6LsCFYN_QgodMQIAig > > That was just one of the first links that pops up on a Google search for > "spy software for ipad". > > In any case, I'm just trying to understand what events on an iPad lead to > that shutter sound, because I seem to be triggering it. In order for these exploits to work, you have to consciously download and install something that allows access to your iPad. Unless you've jailbroken your iPad, only stuff in the iTunes store can be installed on it. Apple would have stomped on this app pretty quickly. While the tin-foil hat you're wearing is rather dashing, you should seriously think about taking it off. It clashes with reality and just about everything you're wearing. -- DeeDee, don't press that button! DeeDee! NO! Dee... [I filter all Goggle Groups posts, so any reply may be automatically ignored]
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| From | Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> |
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| Date | 2014-01-06 18:54 +1300 |
| Message-ID | <060120141854246005%YourName@YourISP.com> |
| In reply to | #54417 |
In article <wcGdnSK31uRkoVfPnZ2dnUVZ5gWdnZ2d@giganews.com>, <persistentone@spamarrest.com> wrote: > "Your Name" <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote in message > news:060120141627473056%YourName@YourISP.com... > > In article <K72dnY3P88CGvVfPnZ2dnUVZ5hGdnZ2d@giganews.com>, > > <persistentone@spamarrest.com> wrote: > > > > > > I am listening to a Podcast on my iPad Mini, and I'm noticing > > > that - with the screen cover already secured - when I set the > > > iPad down on a table, or lift it off, I hear a system sound > > > that is the same as the one that is made when you snap a photo. > > > Is this normal behavior? Not sure if I should be worried > > > about a trojan on my iPad. > > > > Did you "jailbreak" your iPad?? If not, then it's *extremely* unlikely > > to be any kind of trojan or malware. > > No jailbreak, but the Internet is loaded with trojans that listen in on an > iPad, such as: > > http://www.webwatcher.com/?gclid=CKORmZ3m6LsCFYN_QgodMQIAig > > That was just one of the first links that pops up on a Google search for > "spy software for ipad". That is appears to be a legitmate product aimed at parents to keep track and secure what of what their kids are doing. It's not malware and it doesn't even work on iOS devices (yet? It will need to get through Apple's approval process before it does). Unless you've specifically installed something from an unknown / dodgey source website, which is basically impossible since you haven't jailbroken the iPad, then there is even less malware for iOS devices than there is for Mac OS (which is basically none anyway). > In any case, I'm just trying to understand what events on an iPad lead to > that shutter sound, because I seem to be triggering it. I don't know. Best to ask in the "comp.mobile.ipad" newsgroup or Apple's support website to see if anyone has has the same sound, but it is not any kind of malware. Most likely it's just you or the cover pushing one of the buttons accidently.
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| From | "W" <persistentone@spamarrest.com> |
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| Date | 2014-01-06 00:28 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <tIudneMMgsW_9FfPnZ2dnUVZ_oCdnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #54419 |
"Your Name" <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote in message news:060120141854246005%YourName@YourISP.com... > In article <wcGdnSK31uRkoVfPnZ2dnUVZ5gWdnZ2d@giganews.com>, > <persistentone@spamarrest.com> wrote: > > "Your Name" <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote in message > > news:060120141627473056%YourName@YourISP.com... > > > In article <K72dnY3P88CGvVfPnZ2dnUVZ5hGdnZ2d@giganews.com>, > > > <persistentone@spamarrest.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > I am listening to a Podcast on my iPad Mini, and I'm noticing > > > > that - with the screen cover already secured - when I set the > > > > iPad down on a table, or lift it off, I hear a system sound > > > > that is the same as the one that is made when you snap a photo. > > > > Is this normal behavior? Not sure if I should be worried > > > > about a trojan on my iPad. > > > > > > Did you "jailbreak" your iPad?? If not, then it's *extremely* unlikely > > > to be any kind of trojan or malware. > > > > No jailbreak, but the Internet is loaded with trojans that listen in on an > > iPad, such as: > > > > http://www.webwatcher.com/?gclid=CKORmZ3m6LsCFYN_QgodMQIAig > > > > That was just one of the first links that pops up on a Google search for > > "spy software for ipad". > > That is appears to be a legitmate product aimed at parents to keep > track and secure what of what their kids are doing. It's not malware > and it doesn't even work on iOS devices (yet? It will need to get > through Apple's approval process before it does). > > Unless you've specifically installed something from an unknown / dodgey > source website, which is basically impossible since you haven't > jailbroken the iPad, then there is even less malware for iOS devices > than there is for Mac OS (which is basically none anyway). And no bad guy would ever use such software for a bad purpose because it was written for a legitimate use? If it is a computer, someone can write a trojan for it, and if they are good at writing trojans, they can escape notice for a long time. I installed an alternate browser from the Appstore, so minimum risk, but certainly not zero risk. How can Apple inspect every code path inside of hundreds of thousands of applicaitons? > > In any case, I'm just trying to understand what events on an iPad lead to > > that shutter sound, because I seem to be triggering it. > > I don't know. Best to ask in the "comp.mobile.ipad" newsgroup or > Apple's support website to see if anyone has has the same sound, but it > is not any kind of malware. Most likely it's just you or the cover > pushing one of the buttons accidently. Thanks. -- W
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| From | Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> |
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| Date | 2014-01-07 09:09 +1300 |
| Message-ID | <070120140909470283%YourName@YourISP.com> |
| In reply to | #54428 |
In article <tIudneMMgsW_9FfPnZ2dnUVZ_oCdnZ2d@giganews.com>, <persistentone@spamarrest.com> wrote: > "Your Name" <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote in message > news:060120141854246005%YourName@YourISP.com... > > In article <wcGdnSK31uRkoVfPnZ2dnUVZ5gWdnZ2d@giganews.com>, > > <persistentone@spamarrest.com> wrote: > > > "Your Name" <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote in message > > > news:060120141627473056%YourName@YourISP.com... > > > > In article <K72dnY3P88CGvVfPnZ2dnUVZ5hGdnZ2d@giganews.com>, > > > > <persistentone@spamarrest.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > I am listening to a Podcast on my iPad Mini, and I'm noticing > > > > > that - with the screen cover already secured - when I set the > > > > > iPad down on a table, or lift it off, I hear a system sound > > > > > that is the same as the one that is made when you snap a photo. > > > > > Is this normal behavior? Not sure if I should be worried > > > > > about a trojan on my iPad. > > > > > > > > Did you "jailbreak" your iPad?? If not, then it's *extremely* unlikely > > > > to be any kind of trojan or malware. > > > > > > No jailbreak, but the Internet is loaded with trojans that listen > > > in on an iPad, such as: > > > > > > http://www.webwatcher.com/?gclid=CKORmZ3m6LsCFYN_QgodMQIAig > > > > > > That was just one of the first links that pops up on a Google search for > > > "spy software for ipad". > > > > That is appears to be a legitmate product aimed at parents to keep > > track and secure what of what their kids are doing. It's not malware > > and it doesn't even work on iOS devices (yet? It will need to get > > through Apple's approval process before it does). > > > > Unless you've specifically installed something from an unknown / dodgey > > source website, which is basically impossible since you haven't > > jailbroken the iPad, then there is even less malware for iOS devices > > than there is for Mac OS (which is basically none anyway). > > And no bad guy would ever use such software for a bad purpose because it was > written for a legitimate use? If it is a computer, someone can write a > trojan for it, and if they are good at writing trojans, they can escape > notice for a long time. > > I installed an alternate browser from the Appstore, so minimum risk, but > certainly not zero risk. How can Apple inspect every code path inside of > hundreds of thousands of applicaitons? Again: There is NO MALWARE for the iPad (unless you're stupid enough to jailbreak it). :-\ Besides which, a piece of malware that takes a photo when you put down / pick up your iPad is completely useless to anyone.
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| From | nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> |
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| Date | 2014-01-07 13:29 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <070120141329517838%nospam@nospam.invalid> |
| In reply to | #54428 |
In article <tIudneMMgsW_9FfPnZ2dnUVZ_oCdnZ2d@giganews.com>, <persistentone@spamarrest.com> wrote: > And no bad guy would ever use such software for a bad purpose because it was > written for a legitimate use? the key is they can't install such software on an ios device. period. > If it is a computer, someone can write a > trojan for it, and if they are good at writing trojans, they can escape > notice for a long time. not for ios devices, they can't. > I installed an alternate browser from the Appstore, so minimum risk, but > certainly not zero risk. How can Apple inspect every code path inside of > hundreds of thousands of applicaitons? all code is sanboxed and codesigned. there is *no* way one app can monitor or alter what another app is doing. period. this is by design. *if* you jailbreak, then it's possible that a jailbreak app can do stuff like that, but *not* the legitimate apps. you said you didn't jailbreak so there is no malware of any kind on your device.
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| From | "W" <persistentone@spamarrest.com> |
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| Date | 2014-01-09 03:45 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <WOOdnWdoMfluFlPPnZ2dnUVZ5jCdnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #54487 |
"nospam" <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote in message news:070120141329517838%nospam@nospam.invalid... > In article <tIudneMMgsW_9FfPnZ2dnUVZ_oCdnZ2d@giganews.com>, > <persistentone@spamarrest.com> wrote: > > > And no bad guy would ever use such software for a bad purpose because it was > > written for a legitimate use? > > the key is they can't install such software on an ios device. period. > > > If it is a computer, someone can write a > > trojan for it, and if they are good at writing trojans, they can escape > > notice for a long time. > > not for ios devices, they can't. > > > I installed an alternate browser from the Appstore, so minimum risk, but > > certainly not zero risk. How can Apple inspect every code path inside of > > hundreds of thousands of applicaitons? > > all code is sanboxed and codesigned. there is *no* way one app can > monitor or alter what another app is doing. period. this is by design. I understand that they might use processes to limit the scope of what one application can do. Most trojans on a cell phone though are not use to spy on other applications. They are used to take photos, turn on the phone to listen in to conversations in a room, etc. The rogue application would not have less capability than any other application on the phone. -- W
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| From | nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> |
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| Date | 2014-01-09 11:54 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <090120141154027423%nospam@nospam.invalid> |
| In reply to | #54534 |
In article <WOOdnWdoMfluFlPPnZ2dnUVZ5jCdnZ2d@giganews.com>, <persistentone@spamarrest.com> wrote: > > > If it is a computer, someone can write a > > > trojan for it, and if they are good at writing trojans, they can escape > > > notice for a long time. > > > > not for ios devices, they can't. > > > > > I installed an alternate browser from the Appstore, so minimum risk, but > > > certainly not zero risk. How can Apple inspect every code path inside > > > of hundreds of thousands of applicaitons? > > > > all code is sanboxed and codesigned. there is *no* way one app can > > monitor or alter what another app is doing. period. this is by design. > > I understand that they might use processes to limit the scope of what one > application can do. > > Most trojans on a cell phone though are not use to spy on other > applications. They are used to take photos, turn on the phone to listen in > to conversations in a room, etc. The rogue application would not have less > capability than any other application on the phone. rogue applications cannot run on an iphone (outside of a jailbroken phone, which removes all of the security).
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| From | "W" <persistentone@spamarrest.com> |
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| Date | 2014-01-09 22:01 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <56OdnXMhOZFSEVLPnZ2dnUVZ5g6dnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #54536 |
"nospam" <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote in message news:090120141154027423%nospam@nospam.invalid... > In article <WOOdnWdoMfluFlPPnZ2dnUVZ5jCdnZ2d@giganews.com>, > <persistentone@spamarrest.com> wrote: > > > > > If it is a computer, someone can write a > > > > trojan for it, and if they are good at writing trojans, they can escape > > > > notice for a long time. > > > > > > not for ios devices, they can't. > > > > > > > I installed an alternate browser from the Appstore, so minimum risk, but > > > > certainly not zero risk. How can Apple inspect every code path inside > > > > of hundreds of thousands of applicaitons? > > > > > > all code is sanboxed and codesigned. there is *no* way one app can > > > monitor or alter what another app is doing. period. this is by design. > > > > I understand that they might use processes to limit the scope of what one > > application can do. > > > > Most trojans on a cell phone though are not use to spy on other > > applications. They are used to take photos, turn on the phone to listen in > > to conversations in a room, etc. The rogue application would not have less > > capability than any other application on the phone. > > rogue applications cannot run on an iphone (outside of a jailbroken > phone, which removes all of the security). How can Apple check every line of code in every one of 10K+ applications? If they cannot check every line of code, then some line of code could - in some circumstance - do malicious things, against Apple's policy or control. -- W
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| From | Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> |
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| Date | 2014-01-09 22:06 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <lao2lv$4oh$1@news.datemas.de> |
| In reply to | #54550 |
On 2014-01-10 06:01:50 +0000, W said: > "nospam" <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote in message > news:090120141154027423%nospam@nospam.invalid... >> In article <WOOdnWdoMfluFlPPnZ2dnUVZ5jCdnZ2d@giganews.com>, >> <persistentone@spamarrest.com> wrote: >> >>>>> If it is a computer, someone can write a >>>>> trojan for it, and if they are good at writing trojans, they can > escape >>>>> notice for a long time. >>>> >>>> not for ios devices, they can't. >>>> >>>>> I installed an alternate browser from the Appstore, so minimum risk, > but >>>>> certainly not zero risk. How can Apple inspect every code path > inside >>>>> of hundreds of thousands of applicaitons? >>>> >>>> all code is sanboxed and codesigned. there is *no* way one app can >>>> monitor or alter what another app is doing. period. this is by design. >>> >>> I understand that they might use processes to limit the scope of what > one >>> application can do. >>> >>> Most trojans on a cell phone though are not use to spy on other >>> applications. They are used to take photos, turn on the phone to > listen in >>> to conversations in a room, etc. The rogue application would not have > less >>> capability than any other application on the phone. >> >> rogue applications cannot run on an iphone (outside of a jailbroken >> phone, which removes all of the security). > > How can Apple check every line of code in every one of 10K+ applications? > > If they cannot check every line of code, then some line of code could - in > some circumstance - do malicious things, against Apple's policy or control. Sorry... ...but no. one line of code CANNOT do something malicious. Try again.
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| From | "W" <persistentone@spamarrest.com> |
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| Date | 2014-01-11 21:12 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <ELOdnbcSfZjLuU_PnZ2dnUVZ5rqdnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #54552 |
"Alan Baker" <alangbaker@telus.net> wrote in message news:lao2lv$4oh$1@news.datemas.de... > On 2014-01-10 06:01:50 +0000, W said: > > > "nospam" <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote in message > > news:090120141154027423%nospam@nospam.invalid... > >> In article <WOOdnWdoMfluFlPPnZ2dnUVZ5jCdnZ2d@giganews.com>, > >> <persistentone@spamarrest.com> wrote: > >> > >>>>> If it is a computer, someone can write a > >>>>> trojan for it, and if they are good at writing trojans, they can > > escape > >>>>> notice for a long time. > >>>> > >>>> not for ios devices, they can't. > >>>> > >>>>> I installed an alternate browser from the Appstore, so minimum risk, > > but > >>>>> certainly not zero risk. How can Apple inspect every code path > > inside > >>>>> of hundreds of thousands of applicaitons? > >>>> > >>>> all code is sanboxed and codesigned. there is *no* way one app can > >>>> monitor or alter what another app is doing. period. this is by design. > >>> > >>> I understand that they might use processes to limit the scope of what > > one > >>> application can do. > >>> > >>> Most trojans on a cell phone though are not use to spy on other > >>> applications. They are used to take photos, turn on the phone to > > listen in > >>> to conversations in a room, etc. The rogue application would not have > > less > >>> capability than any other application on the phone. > >> > >> rogue applications cannot run on an iphone (outside of a jailbroken > >> phone, which removes all of the security). > > > > How can Apple check every line of code in every one of 10K+ applications? > > > > If they cannot check every line of code, then some line of code could - in > > some circumstance - do malicious things, against Apple's policy or control. > > Sorry... ...but no. > > one line of code CANNOT do something malicious. What kind of sleight of hand is that to infer that I was saying a single line of code would cause a trojan? I never said that or inferred that. Apple cannot check all of the source code in every application on their store, and whole sections of that code might be used for a bad intent. I am not saying it would be easy, and certainly the App Store is a less likely place to find a Trojan than programs in unrestricted environments that would run on a phone that has been rooted. But unless Apple can test every possible code path in every program, there is no way there can be certainty about how the programs would behave in all cases. -- W
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| From | Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> |
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| Date | 2014-01-12 19:10 +1300 |
| Message-ID | <120120141910476561%YourName@YourISP.com> |
| In reply to | #54611 |
In article <ELOdnbcSfZjLuU_PnZ2dnUVZ5rqdnZ2d@giganews.com>, <persistentone@spamarrest.com> wrote: > <snip> > > What kind of sleight of hand is that to infer that I was saying a single > line of code would cause a trojan? I never said that or inferred that. > > Apple cannot check all of the source code in every application on their > store, and whole sections of that code might be used for a bad intent. > > I am not saying it would be easy, and certainly the App Store is a less > likely place to find a Trojan than programs in unrestricted environments > that would run on a phone that has been rooted. But unless Apple can test > every possible code path in every program, there is no way there can be > certainty about how the programs would behave in all cases. Yet again: There is NO iOS malware, but you continue to believe whatever nonense you want to. The queue for the tin foil hats is at the otrher end of the building. Another fool joins the killfile. :-\
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| From | Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> |
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| Date | 2014-01-12 18:40 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <slrnld5oc7.14c4.g.kreme@amelia.local> |
| In reply to | #54611 |
In message <ELOdnbcSfZjLuU_PnZ2dnUVZ5rqdnZ2d@giganews.com> W <persistentone@spamarrest.com> wrote: > "Alan Baker" <alangbaker@telus.net> wrote in message > news:lao2lv$4oh$1@news.datemas.de... >> On 2014-01-10 06:01:50 +0000, W said: >> >> > "nospam" <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote in message >> > news:090120141154027423%nospam@nospam.invalid... >> >> In article <WOOdnWdoMfluFlPPnZ2dnUVZ5jCdnZ2d@giganews.com>, >> >> <persistentone@spamarrest.com> wrote: >> >> >> >>>>> If it is a computer, someone can write a >> >>>>> trojan for it, and if they are good at writing trojans, they can >> > escape >> >>>>> notice for a long time. >> >>>> >> >>>> not for ios devices, they can't. >> >>>> >> >>>>> I installed an alternate browser from the Appstore, so minimum risk, >> > but >> >>>>> certainly not zero risk. How can Apple inspect every code path >> > inside >> >>>>> of hundreds of thousands of applicaitons? >> >>>> >> >>>> all code is sanboxed and codesigned. there is *no* way one app can >> >>>> monitor or alter what another app is doing. period. this is by > design. >> >>> >> >>> I understand that they might use processes to limit the scope of what >> > one >> >>> application can do. >> >>> >> >>> Most trojans on a cell phone though are not use to spy on other >> >>> applications. They are used to take photos, turn on the phone to >> > listen in >> >>> to conversations in a room, etc. The rogue application would not > have >> > less >> >>> capability than any other application on the phone. >> >> >> >> rogue applications cannot run on an iphone (outside of a jailbroken >> >> phone, which removes all of the security). >> > >> > How can Apple check every line of code in every one of 10K+ > applications? >> > >> > If they cannot check every line of code, then some line of code could - > in >> > some circumstance - do malicious things, against Apple's policy or > control. >> >> Sorry... ...but no. >> >> one line of code CANNOT do something malicious. > What kind of sleight of hand is that to infer that I was saying a single > line of code would cause a trojan? I never said that or inferred that. > Apple cannot check all of the source code in every application on their > store, and whole sections of that code might be used for a bad intent. > I am not saying it would be easy, and certainly the App Store is a less > likely place to find a Trojan than programs in unrestricted environments > that would run on a phone that has been rooted. But unless Apple can test > every possible code path in every program, there is no way there can be > certainty about how the programs would behave in all cases. It's a lot simpler than you seem to think, and the proof is in the pudding as there have been no trojans. Apps on iOS are sandboxed, they can't interact with any other apps. -- Instant karma's going to get you!
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| From | nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> |
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| Date | 2014-01-10 15:39 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <100120141539360202%nospam@nospam.invalid> |
| In reply to | #54550 |
In article <56OdnXMhOZFSEVLPnZ2dnUVZ5g6dnZ2d@giganews.com>, <persistentone@spamarrest.com> wrote: > > rogue applications cannot run on an iphone (outside of a jailbroken > > phone, which removes all of the security). > > How can Apple check every line of code in every one of 10K+ applications? they don't have to check every line of code. one thing they do is check to see what api calls an app uses and if any of those are not among the public official apis, the app is rejected. this is an automated process and takes almost no time to do. > If they cannot check every line of code, then some line of code could - in > some circumstance - do malicious things, against Apple's policy or control. not when the apps are sandboxed. there is *no* way one app can access the data of another app. period. as mentioned above, any attempt to get past that will result in a rejection. even doing something entirely legitimate that happens to use private api calls will cause it to be rejected. a jailbroken phone removes all security, so anything goes. that's how you can run unofficial apps and other hacks that never would have made it to the official app store.
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| From | "W" <persistentone@spamarrest.com> |
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| Date | 2014-01-11 21:15 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <hs2dnfy-jYd2uU_PnZ2dnUVZ5vadnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #54562 |
"nospam" <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote in message news:100120141539360202%nospam@nospam.invalid... > In article <56OdnXMhOZFSEVLPnZ2dnUVZ5g6dnZ2d@giganews.com>, > <persistentone@spamarrest.com> wrote: > > > > rogue applications cannot run on an iphone (outside of a jailbroken > > > phone, which removes all of the security). > > > > How can Apple check every line of code in every one of 10K+ applications? > > they don't have to check every line of code. > > one thing they do is check to see what api calls an app uses and if any > of those are not among the public official apis, the app is rejected. > this is an automated process and takes almost no time to do. > > > If they cannot check every line of code, then some line of code could - in > > some circumstance - do malicious things, against Apple's policy or control. > > not when the apps are sandboxed. > > there is *no* way one app can access the data of another app. period. So what? I never said that one program would access any part of any other program. People keep repeating this point, as if it is a requirement for a Trojan. It is not. If a program can behave like a cell phone, and make calls, inspect common address book information, open data connections to a remote host, etc, plenty of mischief can be done. I understand that such a program might not get root access and might not have access to other applications. That gives me little comfort. -- W
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| From | Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> |
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| Date | 2014-01-11 23:20 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <110120142320215689%michelle@michelle.org> |
| In reply to | #54612 |
In article <hs2dnfy-jYd2uU_PnZ2dnUVZ5vadnZ2d@giganews.com>, <persistentone@spamarrest.com> wrote: > > there is *no* way one app can access the data of another app. period. > > So what? I never said that one program would access any part of any other > program. People keep repeating this point, as if it is a requirement for > a Trojan. It is not. > > If a program can behave like a cell phone, and make calls, inspect common > address book information, open data connections to a remote host, etc, > plenty of mischief can be done. > > I understand that such a program might not get root access and might not > have access to other applications. That gives me little comfort. If it can't access other applications and data from other applications, then it can't do any of that. It's that simple.
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| From | "W" <persistentone@spamarrest.com> |
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| Date | 2014-01-12 01:20 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <rtmdndV0Bv3Aw0_PnZ2dnUVZ5hOdnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #54617 |
"Michelle Steiner" <michelle@michelle.org> wrote in message news:110120142320215689%michelle@michelle.org... > In article <hs2dnfy-jYd2uU_PnZ2dnUVZ5vadnZ2d@giganews.com>, > <persistentone@spamarrest.com> wrote: > > > > there is *no* way one app can access the data of another app. period. > > > > So what? I never said that one program would access any part of any other > > program. People keep repeating this point, as if it is a requirement for > > a Trojan. It is not. > > > > If a program can behave like a cell phone, and make calls, inspect common > > address book information, open data connections to a remote host, etc, > > plenty of mischief can be done. > > > > I understand that such a program might not get root access and might not > > have access to other applications. That gives me little comfort. > > If it can't access other applications and data from other applications, > then it can't do any of that. It's that simple. Say the application is a chat application. Why couldn't it open up the microphone and listen to sounds in the room around the iPad? Why couldn't it sense when the iPad is activated and take photos? Why couldn't it browse allowed parts of the file system? If the application has Internet access it could establish an outgoing connection to a control channel, and then someone on the other end could use that connection to direct the actions of the application. No, that's not as bad as a rootkit virus on a desktop operating system. But it is intrusive. -- W
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