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  Apple live event today (showcase watch & macbook) in Cupertino Adair Bordon <Adair@not_my_real_email.com> - 2015-03-09 12:38 +0000
    Re: Apple live event today (showcase watch & macbook) in Cupertino <henry@att.net> - 2015-03-09 07:15 -0800
      Re: Apple live event today (showcase watch & macbook) in Cupertino Adair Bordon <Adair@not_my_real_email.com> - 2015-03-09 14:56 +0000
      Re: Apple live event today (showcase watch & macbook) in Cupertino Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2015-03-10 09:07 +1300
    Re: Apple live event today (showcase watch & macbook) in Cupertino Electric Comet <electric-comet@mail.invalid> - 2015-03-09 07:27 -0700
      Re: Apple live event today (showcase watch & macbook) in Cupertino Kurt Ullman <kurtullman@yahoo.com> - 2015-03-09 10:57 -0400
        Re: Apple live event today (showcase watch & macbook) in Cupertino Adair Bordon <Adair@not_my_real_email.com> - 2015-03-09 15:11 +0000
          Re: Apple live event today (showcase watch & macbook) in Cupertino nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-03-09 11:26 -0500
            Re: Apple live event today (showcase watch & macbook) in Cupertino bj <address_is@invalid.invalid> - 2015-03-09 12:02 -0500
              Re: Apple live event today (showcase watch & macbook) in Cupertino nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-03-09 13:03 -0500
                Re: Apple live event today (showcase watch & macbook) in Cupertino Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> - 2015-03-09 14:06 -0400
                  Re: Apple live event today (showcase watch & macbook) in Cupertino BobbyK <bknight@Conramp.net> - 2015-03-09 13:19 -0500
                    Re: Apple live event today (showcase watch & macbook) in Cupertino Electric Comet <electric-comet@mail.invalid> - 2015-03-09 13:07 -0700
                    Re: Apple live event today (showcase watch & macbook) in Cupertino bj <address_is@invalid.invalid> - 2015-03-09 16:55 -0500
                      Re: Apple live event today (showcase watch & macbook) in Cupertino Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2015-03-10 13:19 +1300
                  Re: Apple live event today (showcase watch & macbook) in Cupertino Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-03-09 18:52 +0000
                    Re: Apple live event today (showcase watch & macbook) in Cupertino BobbyK <bknight@Conramp.net> - 2015-03-09 14:02 -0500
                      Re: Apple live event today (showcase watch & macbook) in Cupertino Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> - 2015-03-09 15:10 -0400
                      Re: Apple live event today (showcase watch & macbook) in Cupertino "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-03-10 07:05 +1100
                        Re: Apple live event today (showcase watch & macbook) in Cupertino BobbyK <bknight@Conramp.net> - 2015-03-09 16:41 -0500
                    Re: Apple live event today (showcase watch & macbook) in Cupertino Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> - 2015-03-09 15:08 -0400
                      Re: Apple live event today (showcase watch & macbook) in Cupertino Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-03-09 19:24 +0000
                      Re: Apple live event today (showcase watch & macbook) in Cupertino Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2015-03-10 09:02 +1300
                      Re: Apple live event today (showcase watch & macbook) in Cupertino Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> - 2015-03-09 15:18 -0700
                  Re: Apple live event today (showcase watch & macbook) in Cupertino Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> - 2015-03-09 15:17 -0700
              Re: Apple live event today (showcase watch & macbook) in Cupertino Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2015-03-10 09:18 +1300
                Re: Apple live event today (showcase watch & macbook) in Cupertino Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-03-09 20:29 +0000
              Re: Apple live event today (showcase watch & macbook) in Cupertino Patty Winter <patty1@wintertime.com> - 2015-03-09 20:47 +0000
      Re: Apple live event today (showcase watch & macbook) in Cupertino nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-03-09 11:10 -0500
        Re: Apple live event today (showcase watch & macbook) in Cupertino Electric Comet <electric-comet@mail.invalid> - 2015-03-09 13:27 -0700
      Re: Apple live event today (showcase watch & macbook) in Cupertino Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2015-03-09 11:41 -0400
      Re: Apple live event today (showcase watch & macbook) in Cupertino Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2015-03-10 09:38 +1300
        Re: Apple live event today (showcase watch & macbook) in Cupertino JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-03-09 16:56 -0400
          Re: Apple live event today (showcase watch & macbook) in Cupertino Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2015-03-10 13:36 +1300
          Re: Apple live event today (showcase watch & macbook) in Cupertino Electric Comet <electric-comet@mail.invalid> - 2015-03-10 08:45 -0700
        Re: Apple live event today (showcase watch & macbook) in Cupertino Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2015-03-09 20:15 -0400
        Re: Apple live event today (showcase watch & macbook) in Cupertino Electric Comet <electric-comet@mail.invalid> - 2015-03-10 08:41 -0700
    Re: Apple live event today (showcase watch & macbook) in Cupertino Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-03-09 08:07 -0700
    Re: Apple live event today (showcase watch & macbook) in Cupertino nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-03-09 11:10 -0500
      Re: Apple live event today (showcase watch & macbook) in Cupertino Adair Bordon <Adair@not_my_real_email.com> - 2015-03-09 15:16 +0000
        Re: Apple live event today (showcase watch & macbook) in Cupertino nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-03-09 11:26 -0500
          Re: Apple live event today (showcase watch & macbook) in Cupertino Adair Bordon <Adair@not_my_real_email.com> - 2015-03-09 20:22 +0000
        Re: Apple live event today (showcase watch & macbook) in Cupertino Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-03-09 08:39 -0700
          Re: Apple live event today (showcase watch & macbook) in Cupertino nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-03-09 11:40 -0500
            Re: Apple live event today (showcase watch & macbook) in Cupertino Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-03-09 08:41 -0700
              Re: Apple live event today (showcase watch & macbook) in Cupertino nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-03-09 11:50 -0500
          Re: Apple live event today (showcase watch & macbook) in Cupertino Patty Winter <patty1@wintertime.com> - 2015-03-09 19:32 +0000
            Re: Apple live event today (showcase watch & macbook) in Cupertino Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-03-09 17:09 -0700
          Re: Apple live event today (showcase watch & macbook) in Cupertino Adair Bordon <Adair@not_my_real_email.com> - 2015-03-09 20:21 +0000
            Re: Apple live event today (showcase watch & macbook) in Cupertino John McWilliams <jpmcw@comcast.net> - 2015-03-09 14:21 -0700
              Re: Apple live event today (showcase watch & macbook) in Cupertino Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-03-09 22:04 +0000
                Re: Apple live event today (showcase watch & macbook) in Cupertino Patty Winter <patty1@wintertime.com> - 2015-03-10 01:48 +0000
              Re: Apple live event today (showcase watch & macbook) in Cupertino Adair Bordon <Adair@not_my_real_email.com> - 2015-03-09 23:51 +0000
                Re: Apple live event today (showcase watch & macbook) in Cupertino Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-03-10 09:05 -0700
                  Re: Apple live event today (showcase watch & macbook) in Cupertino JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-03-10 14:06 -0400
                    Re: Apple live event today (showcase watch & macbook) in Cupertino Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2015-03-10 14:35 -0400
                    Re: Apple live event today (showcase watch & macbook) in Cupertino Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-03-10 11:47 -0700
                      Re: Apple live event today (showcase watch & macbook) in Cupertino JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-03-10 15:34 -0400
                        Re: Apple live event today (showcase watch & macbook) in Cupertino Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-03-10 14:06 -0700
                    Re: Apple live event today (showcase watch & macbook) in Cupertino Adair Bordon <Adair@not_my_real_email.com> - 2015-03-11 02:30 +0000
              Re: Apple live event today (showcase watch & macbook) in Cupertino Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-03-09 17:12 -0700
                Re: Apple live event today (showcase watch & macbook) in Cupertino Patty Winter <patty1@wintertime.com> - 2015-03-10 16:53 +0000
            Re: Apple live event today (showcase watch & macbook) in Cupertino Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-03-09 17:11 -0700
    Re: Apple live event today (showcase watch & macbook) in Cupertino sctvguy1 <sctvguy1@invalid.net> - 2015-03-09 17:04 +0000
    Re: Apple live event today (showcase watch & macbook) in Cupertino George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> - 2015-03-10 08:06 -0500
      Re: Apple live event today (showcase watch & macbook) in Cupertino Adair Bordon <Adair@not_my_real_email.com> - 2015-03-10 13:20 +0000

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#70702

In article <mdkdgj$1hp$5@news.albasani.net>, Adair Bordon
<Adair@not_my_real_email.com> wrote:

> > it's not in cupertino.
> 
> SF is too far to drive, especially in traffic up the 101.

caltrain, then take a bus to the yerba buena center (or walk, it's not
that far).

but you won't be able to get in anyway. it's not open to the public.

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#70741

nospam wrote, on Mon, 09 Mar 2015 11:26:57 -0500:

> caltrain, then take a bus to the yerba buena center (or walk, it's not
> that far)

I like the double deckers.

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#70703

In article <mdkdgj$1hp$5@news.albasani.net>, Adair Bordon
<Adair@not_my_real_email.com> wrote:

> nospam wrote, on Mon, 09 Mar 2015 11:10:11 -0500:
> 
> > it's not in cupertino.
> 
> SF is too far to drive, especially in traffic up the 101.
> Thanks.

Take the 280.

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#70704

In article <090320150839272389%michelle@michelle.org>, Michelle Steiner
<michelle@michelle.org> wrote:

> > > it's not in cupertino.
> > 
> > SF is too far to drive, especially in traffic up the 101.
> > Thanks.
> 
> Take the 280.

ends up on the wrong side of town

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#70705

In article <090320151140186723%nospam@nospam.invalid>, nospam
<nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:

> In article <090320150839272389%michelle@michelle.org>, Michelle Steiner
> <michelle@michelle.org> wrote:
> 
> > > > it's not in cupertino.
> > > 
> > > SF is too far to drive, especially in traffic up the 101.
> > > Thanks.
> > 
> > Take the 280.
> 
> ends up on the wrong side of town

Not a big deal; it's not all that big a town.

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#70707

In article <090320150841168930%michelle@michelle.org>, Michelle Steiner
<michelle@michelle.org> wrote:

> > > > > it's not in cupertino.
> > > > 
> > > > SF is too far to drive, especially in traffic up the 101.
> > > > Thanks.
> > > 
> > > Take the 280.
> > 
> > ends up on the wrong side of town
> 
> Not a big deal; it's not all that big a town.

actually it is a big deal because it's mostly surface streets across
town.

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#70733

In article <090320150839272389%michelle@michelle.org>,
Michelle Steiner  <michelle@michelle.org> wrote:
>
>Take the 280.

"The" 280? You've been out of the Bay Area too long, Michelle. :-)

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#70779

In article <54fdf56b$0$36581$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net>, Patty Winter
<patty1@wintertime.com> wrote:

> In article <090320150839272389%michelle@michelle.org>,
> Michelle Steiner  <michelle@michelle.org> wrote:
> >
> >Take the 280.
> 
> "The" 280? You've been out of the Bay Area too long, Michelle. :-)

*laugh*

-- Michelle

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#70740

Michelle Steiner wrote, on Mon, 09 Mar 2015 08:39:27 -0700:

> Take the 280.

Ah, you know the area well. 
The 280 is much much prettier, and less traffic. 
Depends on the starting point which is easier though as 101 is far wider
but more trafficed.

The 280 goes right along the San Andreas fault, so, that makes for
very pretty scenery.

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#70756

On 3/9/15   PDT 1:21 PM, Adair Bordon wrote:
> Michelle Steiner wrote, on Mon, 09 Mar 2015 08:39:27 -0700:
>
>> Take the 280.
>
> Ah, you know the area well.
> The 280 is much much prettier, and less traffic.
> Depends on the starting point which is easier though as 101 is far wider
> but more trafficed.
>
> The 280 goes right along the San Andreas fault, so, that makes for
> very pretty scenery.
>

That's So CA talk. We don't preface Interstates with "the"....

But in LaLa land you take the Ten to the whatever.

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#70762

Okay, so one time? In band camp? John McWilliams <jpmcw@comcast.net> was all, like:
> On 3/9/15   PDT 1:21 PM, Adair Bordon wrote:
>> Michelle Steiner wrote, on Mon, 09 Mar 2015 08:39:27 -0700:
>>
>>> Take the 280.
>>
>> Ah, you know the area well.
>> The 280 is much much prettier, and less traffic.
>> Depends on the starting point which is easier though as 101 is far wider
>> but more trafficed.
>>
>> The 280 goes right along the San Andreas fault, so, that makes for
>> very pretty scenery.
>>

> That's So CA talk. We don't preface Interstates with "the"....

Driving to LA you take I5, driving back from LA you take the 5.

-- 
http://2blog.kreme.com
"He has no enemies, but is intensely disliked by his friends.." Oscar
Wilde

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#70772

In article <slrnmfs684.ucd.g.kreme@kreme.eternal-september.org>,
Lewis  <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:
>
>Driving to LA you take I5, driving back from LA you take the 5.

Bingo!

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#70767

John McWilliams wrote, on Mon, 09 Mar 2015 14:21:50 -0700:

> But in LaLa land you take the Ten to the whatever.

 < OT >  

Ever notice that the two-digit interstate highways start at even numbers 
of the 10 in the south, then 20 further north, then 30, 40.... 80, and 
finally 90 when you get to the northernmost route (not all of which 
actually exist but all that do exist are unique).

Notice all interstate mile markers increment similarly south-to-north on 
odd-numbered two-digit interstates (and the exit numbers follow suit).

Likewise, the odd two-digit interstates start at the 5 on the west coast, 
and move to 15, 25, 35 ... to 95 (not all of which exist but all that do
exist are unique) as you move east.

Similarly, all Interstate mile markers increment in the same direction, 
west-to-east, on the even-numbered two-digit interstates (and the exit
numbers follow suit).

When it comes to three-digit interstates, a *different* numbering
system is used, which makes them not always unique and which makes
the general direction not always clear.

Also, the three-digit (secondary) interstate system is vastly 
less complete than the two-digit (primary) interstate system.

Essentially, the second two digits of the three-digit secondary
interstate indicates which primary two-digit interstate it 
connects to; hence, 280, 380, 480, 580, 680, 780, 880, & 980
all connect to "80" in some way, fashion or form (or, will 
connect to, someday, or, were planned to connect, at one
point, etc.).

Given that, there could be, say, a 280 in every state, because
all it has to do to comply with the number system is connect
to 80.

The significance of the first digit in the three-digit system
varies, and I forget the details, but the lower the number, 
the closer it is to the city center. So, for example, a 
480 would be a circle that is closer around a city than an 
880, and a 280 would be a spur that is closer to a city
center than a 980 spur (although, all bets are off when 
plans change).

Everyone gets confused because they don't understand this
system; once you know the system, about 80 to 90% of the 
roads follow it faithfully (although there are always
exceptions that people love to call out).

The beauty is that, without GPS, in just one mile, you always
know what direction you're going if you know the road number
(in the east coast, you know what direction you're going usually
in 1/10th of a mile because of the closer-spaced mile-marker 
culture compared to the west, which just barely started 
numbering the exits just a few years ago).

BTW, you also know the exit number, because they have (mostly)
been correlated with the mile markers (with a, b, c, etc. used
with closely spaced exits).

 < /OT >  

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#70797

In article <mdlbld$lrp$3@news.albasani.net>, Adair Bordon
<Adair@not_my_real_email.com> wrote:

> John McWilliams wrote, on Mon, 09 Mar 2015 14:21:50 -0700:
> 
> > But in LaLa land you take the Ten to the whatever.
> 
>  < OT >  
> 
> Ever notice that the two-digit interstate highways start at even numbers 
> of the 10 in the south, then 20 further north, then 30, 40.... 80, and 
> finally 90 when you get to the northernmost route (not all of which 
> actually exist but all that do exist are unique).

The reason for that is that federal EW highways have the lower numbers
at the north part of the country and the higher numbers at the south
end.  This reversal is also true of NS highways; the high numbered
interstates are at the east and the high number federal highways are at
the west.

> The significance of the first digit in the three-digit system
> varies, and I forget the details, but the lower the number, 
> the closer it is to the city center. 

If the first digit is odd, it is a spur into the city; if it is even,
it is either a loop around the city or a bypass.  Therefore 280 can't
be a spur.

There are a few anomalies, such as I 238 and I 99.  Wikipedia explains
them, so I won't duplicate it here.  

There is also a proposed I 11 that would be another anomaly; it would
start near Phoenix, and then onward to Las Vegas.  (Part of it would be
on I40.)  Other plans for it would start it at Casa Grande, near the
intersection of I 10 and I 8, and at the other end extend it to Reno,
and possibly to the Canadian border.

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#70802

On 15-03-10 12:05, Michelle Steiner wrote:

> If the first digit is odd, it is a spur into the city; if it is even,
> it is either a loop around the city or a bypass.


So, roads meant to link states ("interstate") are actually city-centric
commuter highways ?

I would have assumed that naming of the 2 digit highways was done based
on long distance perspective. For instance, the 15 goes from near San
Diego to the Canadian border at Alberta.  It goes through many major
cities along the way, so the numbering couldn't be related to its
relationship with a single city.

Same with the 95 on east coast.  It may be seen as a commuter highway in
Washington, Baltimore, Philadelphia, but also in Miami, Jacksonville and
Newark NJ.  Doubt its numbering is tied to any one city.

The 87 is interesting. Technically not an "interstate". But it does
reach the Canadian border.

Near montreal and northern NY, it is the highway that links montreal to
new york city.

In new york city, it is the a commuter highway that goes through
surburbs , then crosses Tappanzee (sp?) bridge and heads north to
Albany. Same highway, same number, but different viewpoints based on
where you are.


The 2 digit ones appear to be city-based as they are diversions around a
city (generally). But not always. the 287 for instance in the NYC
greater area is actially an interstate, which links the 87 in NY to the
95 in NJ and remains (except for Tappanzee bridge) on western side of
the hudson).

The 787 is technically not connected to the 87 at Albany. It goes
through town whereas the 87 bypasses Albany.

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#70804

In article <54ff32bd$0$20177$c3e8da3$1cbc7475@news.astraweb.com>,
 JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote:

> The 87 is interesting. Technically not an "interstate". But it does
> reach the Canadian border.

How is it "not an 'interstate'?" My first clue is that it's got an I in 
front of the number. It's true that it doesn't actually cross a state 
line, but the definition of a highway within Dwight D. Eisenhower 
National System of Interstate and Defense Highways is a bit looser than 
that.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interstate_87
-- 
Where's the Vangelis music?
Pris' tongue is sticking out in in the wide shot after Batty has kissed her.
They have put back more tits into the Zhora dressing  room scene.
  -- notes for Blade Runner

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#70808

In article <54ff32bd$0$20177$c3e8da3$1cbc7475@news.astraweb.com>, JF
Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote:

> > If the first digit is odd, it is a spur into the city; if it is even,
> > it is either a loop around the city or a bypass.
> 
> 
> So, roads meant to link states ("interstate") are actually city-centric
> commuter highways ?

No.  One- and two-digit interstate highways whose numbers end in 5 (NS)
or 0 (EW) are arterial freeways cross the country (or part of it),
linking major cities.  The three-digit highways are the spurs,
bypasses, and loops attached to the arterial interestates; they are the
ones associated with cities.  If you had not read out of context, you
would have understood this.

Not all interstates actually go all the way from edge to edge.

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#70811

On 15-03-10 14:47, Michelle Steiner wrote:

> linking major cities.  The three-digit highways are the spurs,
> bypasses, and loops attached to the arterial interestates; they are the
> ones associated with cities. 


Are those 3 digit sections also considered "interstate" highways  along
with the federal funding etc ? Or just allowed to use the "interstate"
designation and signage because they abide by road standards ?

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#70823

In article <54ff4737$0$22497$c3e8da3$a9097924@news.astraweb.com>, JF
Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote:

> On 15-03-10 14:47, Michelle Steiner wrote:
> 
> > linking major cities.  The three-digit highways are the spurs,
> > bypasses, and loops attached to the arterial interestates; they are the
> > ones associated with cities. 
> 
> 
> Are those 3 digit sections also considered "interstate" highways  along
> with the federal funding etc ? Or just allowed to use the "interstate"
> designation and signage because they abide by road standards ?

They are part of the interstate highway system.  There are other
highways that meet the same standards, but they aren't part of the
interstate highway system, and do not have interstate highway
designations nor signage.

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#70849

JF Mezei wrote, on Tue, 10 Mar 2015 14:06:51 -0400:

> I would have assumed that naming of the 2 digit highways was done based
> on long distance perspective.

It was.

The two-digit interstates are a simple grid.

Well, that's the theory. 

In practice, it's just kind'a sort'a like a grid.

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