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| First post | 2015-02-08 12:16 -0800 |
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Doesn't it drive you crazy when Mac OS X users don't exit/quit their programs correctly? Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> - 2015-02-08 12:16 -0800
Re: Doesn't it drive you crazy when Mac OS X users don't exit/quit their programs correctly? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-02-08 20:35 +0000
Re: Doesn't it drive you crazy when Mac OS X users don't exit/quit their programs correctly? PhillipJones <pjonescet@comcast.net> - 2015-02-08 18:52 -0500
Re: Doesn't it drive you crazy when Mac OS X users don't exit/quit their programs correctly? Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2015-02-08 19:10 -0500
Re: Doesn't it drive you crazy when Mac OS X users don't exit/quit their programs correctly? Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2015-02-09 13:18 +1300
Re: Doesn't it drive you crazy when Mac OS X users don't exit/quit their programs correctly? Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2015-02-08 19:18 -0500
Re: Doesn't it drive you crazy when Mac OS X users don't exit/quit their programs correctly? "John Varela" <newlamps@verizon.net> - 2015-02-09 20:20 +0000
Re: Doesn't it drive you crazy when Mac OS X users don't exit/quit their programs correctly? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-02-09 20:55 +0000
Re: Doesn't it drive you crazy when Mac OS X users don't exit/quit their programs correctly? "John Varela" <newlamps@verizon.net> - 2015-02-10 21:34 +0000
OS/2 -- Re: Doesn't it drive you crazy when Mac OS X users don't exit/quit their programs correctly? Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> - 2015-02-11 08:56 -0800
Re: OS/2 -- Re: Doesn't it drive you crazy when Mac OS X users don't exit/quit their programs correctly? "John Varela" <newlamps@verizon.net> - 2015-02-13 01:56 +0000
Re: OS/2 -- Re: Doesn't it drive you crazy when Mac OS X users don't exit/quit their programs correctly? Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> - 2015-02-13 15:08 -0800
Re: OS/2 -- Re: Doesn't it drive you crazy when Mac OS X users don't exit/quit their programs correctly? "John Varela" <newlamps@verizon.net> - 2015-02-14 03:20 +0000
Re: OS/2 -- Re: Doesn't it drive you crazy when Mac OS X users don't exit/quit their programs correctly? Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> - 2015-02-13 19:54 -0800
Re: OS/2 -- Re: Doesn't it drive you crazy when Mac OS X users don't exit/quit their programs correctly? "John Varela" <newlamps@verizon.net> - 2015-02-15 03:14 +0000
Re: OS/2 -- Re: Doesn't it drive you crazy when Mac OS X users don't exit/quit their programs correctly? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-02-14 22:17 -0500
Re: OS/2 -- Re: Doesn't it drive you crazy when Mac OS X users don't exit/quit their programs correctly? "John Varela" <newlamps@verizon.net> - 2015-02-16 01:26 +0000
Re: OS/2 -- Re: Doesn't it drive you crazy when Mac OS X users don't exit/quit their programs correctly? Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2015-02-15 16:31 +1300
Re: OS/2 -- Re: Doesn't it drive you crazy when Mac OS X users don't exit/quit their programs correctly? "John Varela" <newlamps@verizon.net> - 2015-02-16 01:28 +0000
Re: OS/2 -- Re: Doesn't it drive you crazy when Mac OS X users don't exit/quit their programs correctly? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-02-16 01:43 +0000
Re: OS/2 -- Re: Doesn't it drive you crazy when Mac OS X users don't exit/quit their programs correctly? "John Varela" <newlamps@verizon.net> - 2015-02-16 18:32 +0000
Re: OS/2 -- Re: Doesn't it drive you crazy when Mac OS X users don't exit/quit their programs correctly? Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2015-02-16 08:22 +0000
Re: OS/2 -- Re: Doesn't it drive you crazy when Mac OS X users don't exit/quit their programs correctly? "John Varela" <newlamps@verizon.net> - 2015-02-16 18:35 +0000
Re: OS/2 -- Re: Doesn't it drive you crazy when Mac OS X users don't exit/quit their programs correctly? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-02-16 13:54 -0500
Re: OS/2 -- Re: Doesn't it drive you crazy when Mac OS X users don't exit/quit their programs correctly? David Ritz <dritz@mindspring.com> - 2015-02-16 14:01 -0600
Re: OS/2 -- Re: Doesn't it drive you crazy when Mac OS X users don't exit/quit their programs correctly? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-02-16 16:15 -0500
Re: OS/2 -- Re: Doesn't it drive you crazy when Mac OS X users don't exit/quit their programs correctly? Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-02-15 05:52 +0000
Re: OS/2 -- Re: Doesn't it drive you crazy when Mac OS X users don't exit/quit their programs correctly? bill van <billvan@delete.shaw.ca> - 2015-02-15 11:51 -0800
Re: OS/2 -- Re: Doesn't it drive you crazy when Mac OS X users don't exit/quit their programs correctly? Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-02-15 21:10 +0000
Re: OS/2 -- Re: Doesn't it drive you crazy when Mac OS X users don't exit/quit their programs correctly? Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> - 2015-02-15 18:13 -0800
Re: OS/2 -- Re: Doesn't it drive you crazy when Mac OS X users don't exit/quit their programs correctly? Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2015-02-14 18:19 +1300
Re: OS/2 -- Re: Doesn't it drive you crazy when Mac OS X users don't exit/quit their programs correctly? "John Varela" <newlamps@verizon.net> - 2015-02-15 03:23 +0000
Re: OS/2 -- Re: Doesn't it drive you crazy when Mac OS X users don't exit/quit their programs correctly? Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2015-02-15 16:39 +1300
Re: OS/2 -- Re: Doesn't it drive you crazy when Mac OS X users don't exit/quit their programs correctly? "John Varela" <newlamps@verizon.net> - 2015-02-16 01:30 +0000
Re: OS/2 -- Re: Doesn't it drive you crazy when Mac OS X users don't exit/quit their programs correctly? Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2015-02-16 18:29 +1300
Re: OS/2 -- Re: Doesn't it drive you crazy when Mac OS X users don't exit/quit their programs correctly? "John Varela" <newlamps@verizon.net> - 2015-02-18 02:21 +0000
Re: OS/2 -- Re: Doesn't it drive you crazy when Mac OS X users don't exit/quit their programs correctly? Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2015-02-18 19:22 +1300
Re: OS/2 -- Re: Doesn't it drive you crazy when Mac OS X users don't exit/quit their programs correctly? "John Varela" <newlamps@verizon.net> - 2015-02-18 22:52 +0000
Re: OS/2 -- Re: Doesn't it drive you crazy when Mac OS X users don't exit/quit their programs correctly? "John Varela" <newlamps@verizon.net> - 2015-02-19 20:06 +0000
Re: OS/2 -- Re: Doesn't it drive you crazy when Mac OS X users don't exit/quit their programs correctly? Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2015-02-20 19:41 +1300
Re: OS/2 -- Re: Doesn't it drive you crazy when Mac OS X users don't exit/quit their programs correctly? FPP <fredp151@gmail.com> - 2015-02-20 04:16 -0500
Re: OS/2 -- Re: Doesn't it drive you crazy when Mac OS X users don't exit/quit their programs correctly? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-02-20 07:15 -0500
Re: OS/2 -- Re: Doesn't it drive you crazy when Mac OS X users don't exit/quit their programs correctly? Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2015-02-14 08:23 +0000
Re: OS/2 -- Re: Doesn't it drive you crazy when Mac OS X users don't exit/quit their programs correctly? Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> - 2015-02-14 01:15 -0800
Re: OS/2 -- Re: Doesn't it drive you crazy when Mac OS X users don't exit/quit their programs correctly? dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2015-02-15 23:32 +1300
Re: OS/2 -- Re: Doesn't it drive you crazy when Mac OS X users don't exit/quit their programs correctly? Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> - 2015-02-15 18:15 -0800
Re: Doesn't it drive you crazy when Mac OS X users don't exit/quit their programs correctly? "John Varela" <newlamps@verizon.net> - 2015-02-16 18:28 +0000
Re: Doesn't it drive you crazy when Mac OS X users don't exit/quit their programs correctly? Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2015-02-09 16:04 -0500
Re: Doesn't it drive you crazy when Mac OS X users don't exit/quit their programs correctly? Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2015-02-09 17:28 -0500
Re: Doesn't it drive you crazy when Mac OS X users don't exit/quit their programs correctly? Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2015-02-10 13:06 +1300
Re: Doesn't it drive you crazy when Mac OS X users don't exit/quit their programs correctly? Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2015-02-09 19:32 -0500
Re: Doesn't it drive you crazy when Mac OS X users don't exit/quit their programs correctly? Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-02-10 01:51 +0000
Re: Doesn't it drive you crazy when Mac OS X users don't exit/quit their programs correctly? "John Varela" <newlamps@verizon.net> - 2015-02-10 21:35 +0000
Re: Doesn't it drive you crazy when Mac OS X users don't exit/quit their programs correctly? gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2015-02-08 17:33 -0800
Re: Doesn't it drive you crazy when Mac OS X users don't exit/quit their programs correctly? Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-02-09 02:19 +0000
Re: Doesn't it drive you crazy when Mac OS X users don't exit/quit their programs correctly? Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2015-02-08 21:30 -0500
Re: Doesn't it drive you crazy when Mac OS X users don't exit/quit their programs correctly? gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2015-02-09 00:18 -0800
Re: Doesn't it drive you crazy when Mac OS X users don't exit/quit their programs correctly? Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-02-08 21:43 -0700
Re: Doesn't it drive you crazy when Mac OS X users don't exit/quit their programs correctly? gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2015-02-09 00:18 -0800
Re: Doesn't it drive you crazy when Mac OS X users don't exit/quit their programs correctly? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-02-09 06:15 -0500
Re: Doesn't it drive you crazy when Mac OS X users don't exit/quit their programs correctly? M-M <nospam@ny.more> - 2015-02-09 10:46 -0500
Re: Doesn't it drive you crazy when Mac OS X users don't exit/quit their programs correctly? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-02-09 16:18 +0000
Re: Doesn't it drive you crazy when Mac OS X users don't exit/quit their programs correctly? Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-02-09 10:42 -0700
Re: Doesn't it drive you crazy when Mac OS X users don't exit/quit their programs correctly? Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-02-10 01:50 +0000
Re: Doesn't it drive you crazy when Mac OS X users don't exit/quit their programs correctly? Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-02-09 10:42 -0700
Re: Doesn't it drive you crazy when Mac OS X users don't exit/quit their programs correctly? Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-02-09 10:41 -0700
Re: Doesn't it drive you crazy when Mac OS X users don't exit/quit their programs correctly? Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2015-02-10 10:52 +0100
Re: Doesn't it drive you crazy when Mac OS X users don't exit/quit their programs correctly? gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2015-02-10 12:17 -0800
Re: Doesn't it drive you crazy when Mac OS X users don't exit/quit their programs correctly? "D.F. Manno" <dfmanno@mail.com> - 2015-02-09 00:06 -0500
Re: Doesn't it drive you crazy when Mac OS X users don't exit/quit their programs correctly? Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> - 2015-02-10 03:14 -0800
Re: Doesn't it drive you crazy when Mac OS X users don't exit/quit their programs correctly? "D.F. Manno" <dfmanno@mail.com> - 2015-02-10 14:35 -0500
Re: Doesn't it drive you crazy when Mac OS X users don't exit/quit their programs correctly? Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> - 2015-02-11 08:59 -0800
Re: Doesn't it drive you crazy when Mac OS X users don't exit/quit their programs correctly? Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2015-02-11 12:57 -0500
Re: Doesn't it drive you crazy when Mac OS X users don't exit/quit their programs correctly? Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> - 2015-02-11 17:42 -0800
Re: Doesn't it drive you crazy when Mac OS X users don't exit/quit their programs correctly? Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2015-02-12 16:44 +1300
Re: Doesn't it drive you crazy when Mac OS X users don't exit/quit their programs correctly? Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2015-02-12 09:31 -0500
Re: Doesn't it drive you crazy when Mac OS X users don't exit/quit their programs correctly? Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2015-02-13 09:17 +1300
Re: Doesn't it drive you crazy when Mac OS X users don't exit/quit their programs correctly? Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2015-02-12 22:17 +0000
Re: Doesn't it drive you crazy when Mac OS X users don't exit/quit their programs correctly? Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2015-02-12 19:09 -0500
Re: Doesn't it drive you crazy when Mac OS X users don't exit/quit their programs correctly? Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2015-02-12 19:07 -0500
Re: Doesn't it drive you crazy when Mac OS X users don't exit/quit their programs correctly? Siri Crews <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> - 2015-02-09 16:23 -0800
Re: Doesn't it drive you crazy when Mac OS X users don't exit/quit their programs correctly? Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> - 2015-02-10 01:34 -0800
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| From | Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> |
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| Date | 2015-02-08 12:16 -0800 |
| Subject | Doesn't it drive you crazy when Mac OS X users don't exit/quit their programs correctly? |
| Message-ID | <iOudnaG_ELGKWUrJnZ2dnUU7-cmdnZ2d@earthlink.com> |
They don't use "Quit", but the window's red X button so they have tons
of softwares still running in the background. They wonder why their Mac
OS X is so slow due to low resources. And yes, I told the users zillions
of times about it. They keep thinking Windows. :/
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| From | Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> |
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| Date | 2015-02-08 20:35 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <cjpvksFsv1rU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #69599 |
["Followup-To:" header set to comp.sys.mac.apps.] On 2015-02-08, Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> wrote: > They don't use "Quit", but the window's red X button so they have tons > of softwares still running in the background. They wonder why their Mac > OS X is so slow due to low resources. And yes, I told the users zillions > of times about it. They keep thinking Windows. :/ It's not that big of a deal. Running many applications at once isn't necessarily a problem. It only becomes a problem if one or more of those applications uses more RAM than is available or lots of CPU - both of which can be checked by opening /Applications/Utilities/Activity Monitor, and looking at the little graphs at the bottom of the window. If CPU load is high, for instance, then you can easily look at the CPU tab of the window (sorted by % CPU) to ind out which applications are using the most CPU resources. If memory pressure is high, then you can look at the Memory tab (sorted by Memory) to see which applications are using the most memory resources. If neither is high, then sluggishness is bing caused by something other than that. A malfunctioning startup drive can cause sluggishness even when the CPU and memory are relatively low in usage, regardless of the number of applications that are running. A network issue can cause other types of sluggishness regardless of the number of applications that are running as well. It really depends on what's going on at the time. -- E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my ravenous SPAM filter. I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead. JR
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| From | PhillipJones <pjonescet@comcast.net> |
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| Date | 2015-02-08 18:52 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <mb8srj$8jt$1@news.albasani.net> |
| In reply to | #69599 |
Ant wrote: > They don't use "Quit", but the window's red X button so they have tons > of software still running in the background. They wonder why their Mac > OS X is so slow due to low resources. And yes, I told the users zillions > of times about it. They keep thinking Windows. :/ Not all Mac user do that. Every since I owned a Mac (SE/30) The only thing I use the red stoplight button for is to dismiss a file I have saved. Before quitting an application. I do have some utility type application I let run in Background by they take little memory (TypeIt4Me, MonoSnap, Default Folder, Time Machine) -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T. "If it's Fixed, Don't Break it" http://www.phillipmjones.net mailto:pjonescet@comcast.net http://phillipjones-cet.net/
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| From | Davoud <star@sky.net> |
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| Date | 2015-02-08 19:10 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <080220151910252474%star@sky.net> |
| In reply to | #69602 |
Ant: > > They don't use "Quit", but the window's red X button so they have tons > > of software still running in the background. They wonder why their Mac > > OS X is so slow due to low resources. And yes, I told the users zillions > > of times about it. They keep thinking Windows. :/ Why would "Ant" care how I use my Macs? He's in my kill-file, anyway. -- I agree with almost everything that you have said and almost everything that you will say in your entire life. usenet *at* davidillig dawt cawm
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| From | Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> |
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| Date | 2015-02-09 13:18 +1300 |
| Message-ID | <090220151318565675%YourName@YourISP.com> |
| In reply to | #69602 |
In article <mb8srj$8jt$1@news.albasani.net>, PhillipJones <pjonescet@comcast.net> wrote: > Ant wrote: > > > > They don't use "Quit", but the window's red X button so they have tons > > of software still running in the background. They wonder why their Mac > > OS X is so slow due to low resources. And yes, I told the users zillions > > of times about it. They keep thinking Windows. :/ > > Not all Mac user do that. Every since I owned a Mac (SE/30) The only > thing I use the red stoplight button for is to dismiss a file I have > saved. Before quitting an application. I do have some utility type > application I let run in Background by they take little memory > (TypeIt4Me, MonoSnap, Default Folder, Time Machine) Most Windoze users run everything in fullscreen and click on the red "X" in the corner to quit, so they carry on doing that when using a Mac. I haven't looked for Mac OS X, but there used to be a couple of background applications for Mac OS 9 and older which properly quit an application when you closed the last document window ... but that's an annoyance for users who close the document their working on when they want to start a whole new blank one.
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| From | Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> |
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| Date | 2015-02-08 19:18 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <j_idnbbEp7x3YUrJnZ2dnUU7-b-dnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #69599 |
On 2015.02.08 15:16 , Ant wrote:
> They don't use "Quit", but the window's red X button so they have tons
> of softwares still running in the background. They wonder why their Mac
> OS X is so slow due to low resources. And yes, I told the users zillions
> of times about it. They keep thinking Windows. :/
Teach them CMD-Q.
Well. Maybe.
I taught my SO that and she rarely closes programs. OTOH, she doesn't
use much more than Chrome, Excel, Word, iTunes and Message anyway. Last
"boot" was at nearly 80 days from the prior boot. 2 GB of RAM /
Mavericks. On an MBA that shares its memory with the graphics "card".
So, it ain't that important.
Programs with nothing to do (waiting) don't use enough CPU to be
noticeable. I've had this iMac (24 GB) running with well over a hundred
apps (every App in the Apps folder (incl. utilities)) and with nothing
to actually do the CPU meters didn't show above a few percent.
That included at least one (and possibly three) VM's.
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bad habits are subtracted from your good ones."
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| From | "John Varela" <newlamps@verizon.net> |
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| Date | 2015-02-09 20:20 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: Doesn't it drive you crazy when Mac OS X users don't exit/quit their programs correctly? |
| Message-ID | <51W5y0sPNk52-pn2-3fzvL52dEqzn@localhost> |
| In reply to | #69606 |
On Mon, 9 Feb 2015 00:18:50 UTC, Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote: > On 2015.02.08 15:16 , Ant wrote: > > They don't use "Quit", but the window's red X button so they have tons > > of softwares still running in the background. They wonder why their Mac > > OS X is so slow due to low resources. And yes, I told the users zillions > > of times about it. They keep thinking Windows. :/ > > Teach them CMD-Q. > > Well. Maybe. > > I taught my SO that and she rarely closes programs. OTOH, she doesn't > use much more than Chrome, Excel, Word, iTunes and Message anyway. Last > "boot" was at nearly 80 days from the prior boot. 2 GB of RAM / > Mavericks. On an MBA that shares its memory with the graphics "card". > > So, it ain't that important. > > Programs with nothing to do (waiting) don't use enough CPU to be > noticeable. I've had this iMac (24 GB) running with well over a hundred > apps (every App in the Apps folder (incl. utilities)) and with nothing > to actually do the CPU meters didn't show above a few percent. > > That included at least one (and possibly three) VM's. What kind of VM? Parallels Desktop always uses 100% of a core even when the system in the VM has nothing to do. -- John Varela
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| From | Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> |
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| Date | 2015-02-09 20:55 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: Doesn't it drive you crazy when Mac OS X users don't exit/quit their programs correctly? |
| Message-ID | <cjsl6aFk19uU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #69630 |
On 2015-02-09, John Varela <newlamps@verizon.net> wrote: >> >> Programs with nothing to do (waiting) don't use enough CPU to be >> noticeable. I've had this iMac (24 GB) running with well over a hundred >> apps (every App in the Apps folder (incl. utilities)) and with nothing >> to actually do the CPU meters didn't show above a few percent. >> >> That included at least one (and possibly three) VM's. > > What kind of VM? Parallels Desktop always uses 100% of a core even > when the system in the VM has nothing to do. Not here. Same for VMware Fusion. -- E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my ravenous SPAM filter. I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead. JR
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| From | "John Varela" <newlamps@verizon.net> |
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| Date | 2015-02-10 21:34 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: Doesn't it drive you crazy when Mac OS X users don't exit/quit their programs correctly? |
| Message-ID | <51W5y0sPNk52-pn2-4KvUodEZ3735@localhost> |
| In reply to | #69632 |
On Mon, 9 Feb 2015 20:55:38 UTC, Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote: > On 2015-02-09, John Varela <newlamps@verizon.net> wrote: > >> > >> Programs with nothing to do (waiting) don't use enough CPU to be > >> noticeable. I've had this iMac (24 GB) running with well over a hundred > >> apps (every App in the Apps folder (incl. utilities)) and with nothing > >> to actually do the CPU meters didn't show above a few percent. > >> > >> That included at least one (and possibly three) VM's. > > > > What kind of VM? Parallels Desktop always uses 100% of a core even > > when the system in the VM has nothing to do. > in Shakespeare in Shakespeare in Shakespeare > Not here. Same for VMware Fusion. Then it must be because the system I am running in the VM is OS/2. I am using it right now to post to the news group. OS/2 reports that it is using about 1% of a CPU. Activity Monitor reports that OS/2 (actually eCS 2.0) is using 99.8% of a CPU. 99% of a CPU is disappearing someplace into the interface between the OS and the VM. -- John Varela
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| From | Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> |
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| Date | 2015-02-11 08:56 -0800 |
| Subject | OS/2 -- Re: Doesn't it drive you crazy when Mac OS X users don't exit/quit their programs correctly? |
| Message-ID | <FdGdnQqCd-U2FEbJnZ2dnUU7-eWdnZ2d@earthlink.com> |
| In reply to | #69663 |
On 2/10/2015 1:34 PM, John Varela wrote:
> Then it must be because the system I am running in the VM is OS/2. I
> am using it right now to post to the news group. OS/2 reports that
> it is using about 1% of a CPU. Activity Monitor reports that OS/2
> (actually eCS 2.0) is using 99.8% of a CPU. 99% of a CPU is
> disappearing someplace into the interface between the OS and the VM.
Wow, IBM's OS/2 and still supported by VMware? I remember briefly seeing
(not using) back in college's computer science labs in the mid (19)90s.
What do you still use it for though?
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| From | "John Varela" <newlamps@verizon.net> |
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| Date | 2015-02-13 01:56 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: OS/2 -- Re: Doesn't it drive you crazy when Mac OS X users don't exit/quit their programs correctly? |
| Message-ID | <51W5y0sPNk52-pn2-ozJ4b6poh4vp@localhost> |
| In reply to | #69704 |
On Wed, 11 Feb 2015 16:56:12 UTC, Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> wrote: > On 2/10/2015 1:34 PM, John Varela wrote: > > > Then it must be because the system I am running in the VM is OS/2. I > > am using it right now to post to the news group. OS/2 reports that > > it is using about 1% of a CPU. Activity Monitor reports that OS/2 > > (actually eCS 2.0) is using 99.8% of a CPU. 99% of a CPU is > > disappearing someplace into the interface between the OS and the VM. > > Wow, IBM's OS/2 and still supported by VMware? Parallels Desktop. Why not? I remember briefly seeing > (not using) back in college's computer science labs in the mid (19)90s. > What do you still use it for though? Only for reading news groups. I've never found an OS X newsreader that I like as well as this antique OS/2 newsreader. -- John Varela
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| From | Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> |
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| Date | 2015-02-13 15:08 -0800 |
| Subject | Re: OS/2 -- Re: Doesn't it drive you crazy when Mac OS X users don't exit/quit their programs correctly? |
| Message-ID | <b9SdnVqBCZWUGUPJnZ2dnUU7-f2dnZ2d@earthlink.com> |
| In reply to | #69751 |
>> Wow, IBM's OS/2 and still supported by VMware?
>
> Parallels Desktop. Why not?
>
> I remember briefly seeing
>> (not using) back in college's computer science labs in the mid (19)90s.
>> What do you still use it for though?
>
> Only for reading news groups. I've never found an OS X newsreader
> that I like as well as this antique OS/2 newsreader.
Which newsreader is that? What is special about it compared to others
like Tin, Pan, SeaMonkey/Mozilla's, Agent, etc.?
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| From | "John Varela" <newlamps@verizon.net> |
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| Date | 2015-02-14 03:20 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: OS/2 -- Re: Doesn't it drive you crazy when Mac OS X users don't exit/quit their programs correctly? |
| Message-ID | <51W5y0sPNk52-pn2-TjRCX6dtbSIx@localhost> |
| In reply to | #69757 |
On Fri, 13 Feb 2015 23:08:56 UTC, Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> wrote: > >> Wow, IBM's OS/2 and still supported by VMware? > > > > Parallels Desktop. Why not? > > > > I remember briefly seeing > >> (not using) back in college's computer science labs in the mid (19)90s. > >> What do you still use it for though? > > > > Only for reading news groups. I've never found an OS X newsreader > > that I like as well as this antique OS/2 newsreader. > > Which newsreader is that? What is special about it compared to others > like Tin, Pan, SeaMonkey/Mozilla's, Agent, etc.? ProNews/2, as listed in my headers. I haven't time to go into the details, but let me say that Hogwasher came very close to being acceptable, with only one problem. It couldn't handle threads with a reply depth of more than something like 16 responses nor threads with more than a few hundred total responses (512?). I am a regular on alt.usage.english, and was at the time also a regular on alt.folklore.computers. Both those groups often have threads that run 20 or 30 responses deep and upwards of 1,000 total posts, and occasionally more. Hogwasher choked on that. I had started using Hogwasher not long after the author stopped maintaining it. -- John Varela
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| From | Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> |
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| Date | 2015-02-13 19:54 -0800 |
| Subject | Re: OS/2 -- Re: Doesn't it drive you crazy when Mac OS X users don't exit/quit their programs correctly? |
| Message-ID | <L6idnTn-qI5lW0PJnZ2dnUU7-IOdnZ2d@earthlink.com> |
| In reply to | #69758 |
> ProNews/2, as listed in my headers. I haven't time to go into the
> details, but let me say that Hogwasher came very close to being
> acceptable, with only one problem. It couldn't handle threads with a
> reply depth of more than something like 16 responses nor threads
> with more than a few hundred total responses (512?). I am a regular
> on alt.usage.english, and was at the time also a regular on
> alt.folklore.computers. Both those groups often have threads that
> run 20 or 30 responses deep and upwards of 1,000 total posts, and
> occasionally more. Hogwasher choked on that. I had started using
> Hogwasher not long after the author stopped maintaining it.
Ah. Can it do binaries too?
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| From | "John Varela" <newlamps@verizon.net> |
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| Date | 2015-02-15 03:14 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: OS/2 -- Re: Doesn't it drive you crazy when Mac OS X users don't exit/quit their programs correctly? |
| Message-ID | <51W5y0sPNk52-pn2-NlRODXspDWJS@localhost> |
| In reply to | #69759 |
On Sat, 14 Feb 2015 03:54:31 UTC, Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> wrote: > > ProNews/2, as listed in my headers. I haven't time to go into the > > details, but let me say that Hogwasher came very close to being > > acceptable, with only one problem. It couldn't handle threads with a > > reply depth of more than something like 16 responses nor threads > > with more than a few hundred total responses (512?). I am a regular > > on alt.usage.english, and was at the time also a regular on > > alt.folklore.computers. Both those groups often have threads that > > run 20 or 30 responses deep and upwards of 1,000 total posts, and > > occasionally more. Hogwasher choked on that. I had started using > > Hogwasher not long after the author stopped maintaining it. > > Ah. Can it do binaries too? No. Since there are no longer any binaries on Usenet that's not a problem, is it? I have more time tonight so I'll go into more detail. The main things I like about ProNews/2 are that it presents everything threaded in an indented format, it automatically opens only threads and subthreads with new posts, it clearly labels what has been downloaded and what has been read, and it takes me straight to the first new posting. It facilitates reading only subthreads of interest -- for example, if I abandon a subthread that has drifted to something dull like how best to brew tea (as happened recently on alt.usage english), I can leave those posts unread. The next time I read news, the unread posts preceding the new ones make it obvious that I had abandoned this subthread, and so page down past all that until I see a new post following a read post. It's a little buggy with regard to display but nothing serious. The main thing wrong with it is that the filtering is primitive. Since News.Individual.Net has excellent filtering, that's not been a problem. -- John Varela
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| From | nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> |
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| Date | 2015-02-14 22:17 -0500 |
| Subject | Re: OS/2 -- Re: Doesn't it drive you crazy when Mac OS X users don't exit/quit their programs correctly? |
| Message-ID | <140220152217545827%nospam@nospam.invalid> |
| In reply to | #69792 |
In article <51W5y0sPNk52-pn2-NlRODXspDWJS@localhost>, John Varela <newlamps@verizon.net> wrote: > > > ProNews/2, as listed in my headers. I haven't time to go into the > > > details, but let me say that Hogwasher came very close to being > > > acceptable, with only one problem. It couldn't handle threads with a > > > reply depth of more than something like 16 responses nor threads > > > with more than a few hundred total responses (512?). I am a regular > > > on alt.usage.english, and was at the time also a regular on > > > alt.folklore.computers. Both those groups often have threads that > > > run 20 or 30 responses deep and upwards of 1,000 total posts, and > > > occasionally more. Hogwasher choked on that. I had started using > > > Hogwasher not long after the author stopped maintaining it. > > > > Ah. Can it do binaries too? > > No. Since there are no longer any binaries on Usenet that's not a > problem, is it? what ever gave you that ridiculous idea? the majority of usenet is binaries.
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| From | "John Varela" <newlamps@verizon.net> |
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| Date | 2015-02-16 01:26 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: OS/2 -- Re: Doesn't it drive you crazy when Mac OS X users don't exit/quit their programs correctly? |
| Message-ID | <51W5y0sPNk52-pn2-o5deeB4edPK9@localhost> |
| In reply to | #69793 |
On Sun, 15 Feb 2015 03:17:54 UTC, nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote: > In article <51W5y0sPNk52-pn2-NlRODXspDWJS@localhost>, John Varela > <newlamps@verizon.net> wrote: > > > > > ProNews/2, as listed in my headers. I haven't time to go into the > > > > details, but let me say that Hogwasher came very close to being > > > > acceptable, with only one problem. It couldn't handle threads with a > > > > reply depth of more than something like 16 responses nor threads > > > > with more than a few hundred total responses (512?). I am a regular > > > > on alt.usage.english, and was at the time also a regular on > > > > alt.folklore.computers. Both those groups often have threads that > > > > run 20 or 30 responses deep and upwards of 1,000 total posts, and > > > > occasionally more. Hogwasher choked on that. I had started using > > > > Hogwasher not long after the author stopped maintaining it. > > > > > > Ah. Can it do binaries too? > > > > No. Since there are no longer any binaries on Usenet that's not a > > problem, is it? > > what ever gave you that ridiculous idea? > > the majority of usenet is binaries. Not on the servers I have access to. -- John Varela
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| From | Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> |
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| Date | 2015-02-15 16:31 +1300 |
| Subject | Re: OS/2 -- Re: Doesn't it drive you crazy when Mac OS X users don't exit/quit their programs correctly? |
| Message-ID | <150220151631082256%YourName@YourISP.com> |
| In reply to | #69792 |
In article <51W5y0sPNk52-pn2-NlRODXspDWJS@localhost>, John Varela <newlamps@verizon.net> wrote: > On Sat, 14 Feb 2015 03:54:31 UTC, Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> wrote: > > > > > > ProNews/2, as listed in my headers. I haven't time to go into the > > > details, but let me say that Hogwasher came very close to being > > > acceptable, with only one problem. It couldn't handle threads with a > > > reply depth of more than something like 16 responses nor threads > > > with more than a few hundred total responses (512?). I am a regular > > > on alt.usage.english, and was at the time also a regular on > > > alt.folklore.computers. Both those groups often have threads that > > > run 20 or 30 responses deep and upwards of 1,000 total posts, and > > > occasionally more. Hogwasher choked on that. I had started using > > > Hogwasher not long after the author stopped maintaining it. > > > > Ah. Can it do binaries too? > > No. Since there are no longer any binaries on Usenet that's not a > problem, is it? <snip> There are binaries on Usenet, but many newsservers simply don't provide those newsgroups. The pay-for Usenet providers do still have the binaries groups on their lists ... although whether there's much traffic in them is a different question.
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| From | "John Varela" <newlamps@verizon.net> |
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| Date | 2015-02-16 01:28 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: OS/2 -- Re: Doesn't it drive you crazy when Mac OS X users don't exit/quit their programs correctly? |
| Message-ID | <51W5y0sPNk52-pn2-dvVvtFvFGDhp@localhost> |
| In reply to | #69795 |
On Sun, 15 Feb 2015 03:31:08 UTC, Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote: > In article <51W5y0sPNk52-pn2-NlRODXspDWJS@localhost>, John Varela > <newlamps@verizon.net> wrote: > > On Sat, 14 Feb 2015 03:54:31 UTC, Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> wrote: > > > > > > > > ProNews/2, as listed in my headers. I haven't time to go into the > > > > details, but let me say that Hogwasher came very close to being > > > > acceptable, with only one problem. It couldn't handle threads with a > > > > reply depth of more than something like 16 responses nor threads > > > > with more than a few hundred total responses (512?). I am a regular > > > > on alt.usage.english, and was at the time also a regular on > > > > alt.folklore.computers. Both those groups often have threads that > > > > run 20 or 30 responses deep and upwards of 1,000 total posts, and > > > > occasionally more. Hogwasher choked on that. I had started using > > > > Hogwasher not long after the author stopped maintaining it. > > > > > > Ah. Can it do binaries too? > > > > No. Since there are no longer any binaries on Usenet that's not a > > problem, is it? > <snip> > > There are binaries on Usenet, but many newsservers simply don't provide > those newsgroups. The pay-for Usenet providers do still have the > binaries groups on their lists ... although whether there's much > traffic in them is a different question. I pay for news.individual.net and there are no binaries as far as I can tell. -- John Varela
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| From | Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> |
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| Date | 2015-02-16 01:43 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: OS/2 -- Re: Doesn't it drive you crazy when Mac OS X users don't exit/quit their programs correctly? |
| Message-ID | <ckd09tFrln3U2@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #69823 |
On 2015-02-16, John Varela <newlamps@verizon.net> wrote: > > I pay for news.individual.net and there are no binaries as far as I > can tell. You knew that when you signed up for it, right? I subscribe to it too, and it was pretty obvious during the sign-up process. -- E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my ravenous SPAM filter. I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead. JR
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