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Is it OK/safe to put a MacBook Pro to a long sleep/hibernation (close its lid) and moving it for a long time (e.g., over a day) instead of powering off?

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  Is it OK/safe to put a MacBook Pro to a long sleep/hibernation (close its lid) and moving it for a long time (e.g., over a day) instead of powering off? Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> - 2014-01-05 08:52 -0800
    Re: Is it OK/safe to put a MacBook Pro to a long sleep/hibernation (close its lid) and moving it for a long time (e.g., over a day) instead of powering off? Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> - 2014-01-05 11:55 -0500
      Re: Is it OK/safe to put a MacBook Pro to a long sleep/hibernation (close its lid) and moving it for a long time (e.g., over a day) instead of powering off? JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-01-05 19:35 -0500
        Re: Is it OK/safe to put a MacBook Pro to a long sleep/hibernation (close its lid) and moving it for a long time (e.g., over a day) instead of powering off? Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> - 2014-01-05 19:55 -0500
          Re: Is it OK/safe to put a MacBook Pro to a long sleep/hibernation (close its lid) and moving it for a long time (e.g., over a day) instead of powering off? Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-01-06 16:06 +1300
          Re: Is it OK/safe to put a MacBook Pro to a long sleep/hibernation (close its lid) and moving it for a long time (e.g., over a day) instead of powering off? Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-01-10 17:42 -0500
        Re: Is it OK/safe to put a MacBook Pro to a long sleep/hibernation (close its lid) and moving it for a long time (e.g., over a day) instead of powering off? Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> - 2014-01-05 22:56 -0800
      Re: Is it OK/safe to put a MacBook Pro to a long sleep/hibernation (close its lid) and moving it for a long time (e.g., over a day) instead of powering off? Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-01-06 03:34 +0000
        Re: Is it OK/safe to put a MacBook Pro to a long sleep/hibernation (close its lid) and moving it for a long time (e.g., over a day) instead of powering off? Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> - 2014-01-05 22:58 -0800
          Re: Is it OK/safe to put a MacBook Pro to a long sleep/hibernation (close its lid) and moving it for a long time (e.g., over a day) instead of powering off? Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-01-06 12:04 +0000
    Re: Is it OK/safe to put a MacBook Pro to a long sleep/hibernation (close its lid) and moving it for a long time (e.g., over a day) instead of powering off? Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> - 2014-01-05 12:06 -0500
    Re: Is it OK/safe to put a MacBook Pro to a long sleep/hibernation (close its lid) and moving it for a long time (e.g., over a day) instead of powering off? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-01-05 13:00 -0500
      Re: Is it OK/safe to put a MacBook Pro to a long sleep/hibernation (close its lid) and moving it for a long time (e.g., over a day) instead of powering off? Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> - 2014-01-05 10:11 -0800
        Re: Is it OK/safe to put a MacBook Pro to a long sleep/hibernation (close its lid) and moving it for a long time (e.g., over a day) instead of powering off? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-01-05 13:42 -0500
        Re: Is it OK/safe to put a MacBook Pro to a long sleep/hibernation (close its lid) and moving it for a long time (e.g., over a day) instead of powering off? Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> - 2014-01-05 13:53 -0500
        Re: Is it OK/safe to put a MacBook Pro to a long sleep/hibernation (close its lid) and moving it for a long time (e.g., over a day) instead of powering off? Don Bruder <dakidd@sonic.net> - 2014-01-05 12:13 -0800
          Re: Is it OK/safe to put a MacBook Pro to a long sleep/hibernation (close its lid) and moving it for a long time (e.g., over a day) instead of powering off? Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-01-06 09:24 +1300
            Re: Is it OK/safe to put a MacBook Pro to a long sleep/hibernation (close its lid) and moving it for a long time (e.g., over a day) instead of powering off? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-01-05 15:31 -0500
            Re: Is it OK/safe to put a MacBook Pro to a long sleep/hibernation (close its lid) and moving it for a long time (e.g., over a day) instead of powering off? Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> - 2014-01-05 22:08 -0500
              Re: Is it OK/safe to put a MacBook Pro to a long sleep/hibernation (close its lid) and moving it for a long time (e.g., over a day) instead of powering off? Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-01-06 16:26 +1300
            Re: Is it OK/safe to put a MacBook Pro to a long sleep/hibernation (close its lid) and moving it for a long time (e.g., over a day) instead of powering off? Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-01-06 03:36 +0000
        Re: Is it OK/safe to put a MacBook Pro to a long sleep/hibernation (close its lid) and moving it for a long time (e.g., over a day) instead of powering off? Larry Gusaas <larry.gusaas@gmail.com> - 2014-01-05 14:20 -0600
        Re: Is it OK/safe to put a MacBook Pro to a long sleep/hibernation (close its lid) and moving it for a long time (e.g., over a day) instead of powering off? Michael Vilain <vilain@NOspamcop.net> - 2014-01-05 16:20 -0800
          Re: Is it OK/safe to put a MacBook Pro to a long sleep/hibernation (close its lid) and moving it for a long time (e.g., over a day) instead of powering off? Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-01-06 03:37 +0000
    Re: Is it OK/safe to put a MacBook Pro to a long sleep/hibernation (close its lid) and moving it for a long time (e.g., over a day) instead of powering off? Kevin McMurtrie <mcmurtrie@pixelmemory.us> - 2014-01-05 22:43 -0800
      Re: Is it OK/safe to put a MacBook Pro to a long sleep/hibernation (close its lid) and moving it for a long time (e.g., over a day) instead of powering off? Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> - 2014-01-06 21:32 -0700
        Re: Is it OK/safe to put a MacBook Pro to a long sleep/hibernation (close its lid) and moving it for a long time (e.g., over a day) instead of powering off? Bread <BreadWithSpam@Fractious.net> - 2014-01-10 13:38 -0800
      Re: Is it OK/safe to put a MacBook Pro to a long sleep/hibernation (close its lid) and moving it for a long time (e.g., over a day) instead of powering off? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-01-07 08:38 -0500
        Re: Is it OK/safe to put a MacBook Pro to a long sleep/hibernation (close its lid) and moving it for a long time (e.g., over a day) instead of powering off? JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-01-07 13:41 -0500
          Re: Is it OK/safe to put a MacBook Pro to a long sleep/hibernation (close its lid) and moving it for a long time (e.g., over a day) instead of powering off? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-01-07 15:18 -0500
          Re: Is it OK/safe to put a MacBook Pro to a long sleep/hibernation (close its lid) and moving it for a long time (e.g., over a day) instead of powering off? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-01-08 03:09 +0000
            Re: Is it OK/safe to put a MacBook Pro to a long sleep/hibernation (close its lid) and moving it for a long time (e.g., over a day) instead of powering off? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-01-07 22:56 -0500
            Re: Is it OK/safe to put a MacBook Pro to a long sleep/hibernation (close its lid) and moving it for a long time (e.g., over a day) instead of powering off? JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-01-08 01:44 -0500
              Re: Is it OK/safe to put a MacBook Pro to a long sleep/hibernation (close its lid) and moving it for a long time (e.g., over a day) instead of powering off? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-01-08 18:30 +0000
              Re: Is it OK/safe to put a MacBook Pro to a long sleep/hibernation (close its lid) and moving it for a long time (e.g., over a day) instead of powering off? Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-01-09 09:03 +1300
                Re: Is it OK/safe to put a MacBook Pro to a long sleep/hibernation (close its lid) and moving it for a long time (e.g., over a day) instead of powering off? Bread <BreadWithSpam@Fractious.net> - 2014-01-10 13:47 -0800
                  Re: Is it OK/safe to put a MacBook Pro to a long sleep/hibernation (close its lid) and moving it for a long time (e.g., over a day) instead of powering off? Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-01-10 19:51 -0500
    Is it OK/safe to put an entire news article in the subject... billy@MIX.COM - 2014-01-07 03:02 +0000
      Re: Is it OK/safe to put an entire news article in the subject... Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> - 2014-01-07 06:18 -0800
        Re: Is it OK/safe to put an entire news article in the subject... billy@MIX.COM - 2014-01-09 17:20 +0000
          Re: Is it OK/safe to put an entire news article in the subject... Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2014-01-09 23:25 +0000
          Re: Is it OK/safe to put an entire news article in the subject... Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> - 2014-01-10 11:44 -0800
            Re: Is it OK/safe to put an entire news article in the subject... billy@MIX.COM - 2014-01-11 19:06 +0000
        Re: Is it OK/safe to put an entire news article in the subject... Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-01-09 19:14 +0000
          Re: Is it OK/safe to put an entire news article in the subject... Patty Winter <patty1@wintertime.com> - 2014-01-09 22:29 +0000
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            Re: Is it OK/safe to put an entire news article in the subject... Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> - 2014-01-10 10:25 -0500
              Re: Is it OK/safe to put an entire news article in the subject... Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-01-11 07:26 +0000
                Re: Is it OK/safe to put an entire news article in the subject... Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> - 2014-01-11 10:50 -0500
                  Re: Is it OK/safe to put an entire news article in the subject... Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2014-01-11 13:57 -0800
                    Re: Is it OK/safe to put an entire news article in the subject... Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-01-11 22:24 +0000
                    Re: Is it OK/safe to put an entire news article in the subject... Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2014-01-11 23:10 +0000
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                        Re: Is it OK/safe to put an entire news article in the subject... Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-01-12 00:28 +0000
                          Re: Is it OK/safe to put an entire news article in the subject... Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2014-01-11 17:54 -0800
                            Re: Is it OK/safe to put an entire news article in the subject... Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-01-12 01:57 +0000
                              Re: Is it OK/safe to put an entire news article in the subject... Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2014-01-12 09:17 +0000
                                Re: Is it OK/safe to put an entire news article in the subject... Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-01-12 22:05 +0000
                        Re: Is it OK/safe to put an entire news article in the subject... Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-01-12 04:56 +0000
                          Re: Is it OK/safe to put an entire news article in the subject... Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-01-12 05:16 +0000
                            Re: Is it OK/safe to put an entire news article in the subject... Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-01-12 18:38 +0000
                              Re: Is it OK/safe to put an entire news article in the subject... Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-01-12 22:07 +0000
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                                  Re: Is it OK/safe to put an entire news article in the subject... Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-01-13 05:46 +0000
                                    Re: Is it OK/safe to put an entire news article in the subject... Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> - 2014-01-13 02:49 -0500
                                      Re: Is it OK/safe to put an entire news article in the subject... billy@MIX.COM - 2014-01-13 15:48 +0000
                                        Re: Is it OK/safe to put an entire news article in the subject... Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> - 2014-01-14 00:41 -0800
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#54360 — Is it OK/safe to put a MacBook Pro to a long sleep/hibernation (close its lid) and moving it for a long time (e.g., over a day) instead of powering off?

Hello.

I noticed my client did not shut down his MacBook Pro today since 
opening its lid up resulted the login screen instead of the usual boot 
up from powering on. Its battery life was still high (91%) so that 
wasn't bad, but is it really a good idea to put it to sleep/hibernation 
for that long though especially when transporting it around like in 
luggages? I can understand if it is a few minutes and hours for short 
moves or idling, but days and moving around?

Thank you in advance. :)
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#54363

In article <1oqdnf9Iu-cmEFTPnZ2dnUVZ_qidnZ2d@earthlink.com>,
 Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> wrote:

> Hello.
> 
> I noticed my client did not shut down his MacBook Pro today since 
> opening its lid up resulted the login screen instead of the usual boot 
> up from powering on. Its battery life was still high (91%) so that 
> wasn't bad, but is it really a good idea to put it to sleep/hibernation 
> for that long though especially when transporting it around like in 
> luggages? I can understand if it is a few minutes and hours for short 
> moves or idling, but days and moving around?
> 
> Thank you in advance. :)

I've put Macbooks to sleep for weeks at a time with little problem.

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#54402

On 14-01-05 11:55, Barry Margolin wrote:

>> I noticed my client did not shut down his MacBook Pro today since 
>> opening its lid up resulted the login screen instead of the usual boot 
>> up from powering on.

When, during sleep, batteries go below a certain point, the laptop will
spin up the disk, save memory to the disk and do a full shutdown to
preserve batteries.

When you then power up (with the power button), you get a special power
up mode where it restores the RAM content from disk and continues where
it left off. (not a real reboot).

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#54404

In article <52c9fa40$0$58606$c3e8da3$12bcf670@news.astraweb.com>,
 JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote:

> On 14-01-05 11:55, Barry Margolin wrote:

Why would you reply to my message, snip everything I wrote, but leave 
the attribution referring to me instead of the attribution of the OP?

> 
> >> I noticed my client did not shut down his MacBook Pro today since 
> >> opening its lid up resulted the login screen instead of the usual boot 
> >> up from powering on.
> 
> When, during sleep, batteries go below a certain point, the laptop will
> spin up the disk, save memory to the disk and do a full shutdown to
> preserve batteries.
> 
> When you then power up (with the power button), you get a special power
> up mode where it restores the RAM content from disk and continues where
> it left off. (not a real reboot).

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#54407

In article <barmar-EDD275.19550605012014@news.eternal-september.org>,
Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> wrote:
> In article <52c9fa40$0$58606$c3e8da3$12bcf670@news.astraweb.com>,
>  JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote:
> 
> > On 14-01-05 11:55, Barry Margolin wrote:
> 
> Why would you reply to my message, snip everything I wrote, but leave 
> the attribution referring to me instead of the attribution of the OP?

A.  It's easy to do by accident, especially if you're in a hurry.

and

B.  Perhaps the original message didn't show up on his server (yet).

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#54566

On 2014.01.05, 19:55 , Barry Margolin wrote:
> In article <52c9fa40$0$58606$c3e8da3$12bcf670@news.astraweb.com>,
>   JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote:
>
>> On 14-01-05 11:55, Barry Margolin wrote:
>
> Why would you reply to my message, snip everything I wrote, but leave
> the attribution referring to me instead of the attribution of the OP?

bad habits of JF include the above and better yet: complete strip and 
answering with a change of context.

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#54423

On 1/5/2014 4:35 PM PT, JF Mezei typed:

>>> I noticed my client did not shut down his MacBook Pro today since
>>> opening its lid up resulted the login screen instead of the usual boot
>>> up from powering on.
>
> When, during sleep, batteries go below a certain point, the laptop will
> spin up the disk, save memory to the disk and do a full shutdown to
> preserve batteries.
>
> When you then power up (with the power button), you get a special power
> up mode where it restores the RAM content from disk and continues where
> it left off. (not a real reboot).

Ah, so unsaved works will still be there. Nice. :)
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#54414

In message <barmar-E7ED77.11555005012014@news.eternal-september.org> 
  Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> wrote:
> In article <1oqdnf9Iu-cmEFTPnZ2dnUVZ_qidnZ2d@earthlink.com>,
>  Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> wrote:

>> Hello.
>> 
>> I noticed my client did not shut down his MacBook Pro today since 
>> opening its lid up resulted the login screen instead of the usual boot 
>> up from powering on. Its battery life was still high (91%) so that 
>> wasn't bad, but is it really a good idea to put it to sleep/hibernation 
>> for that long though especially when transporting it around like in 
>> luggages? I can understand if it is a few minutes and hours for short 
>> moves or idling, but days and moving around?
>> 
>> Thank you in advance. :)

> I've put Macbooks to sleep for weeks at a time with little problem.

Little? How about none? I have a 2009 MacBook Pro that I am using right
now that to the best of my knowledge has only ever been shutdown to have
RAM added and an SSD put in. Other than changing the hardware I can't
think of a single reason to ever shutdown a MacBook.

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#54424

On 1/5/2014 7:34 PM PT, Lewis typed:
> Little? How about none? I have a 2009 MacBook Pro that I am using right
> now that to the best of my knowledge has only ever been shutdown to have
> RAM added and an SSD put in. Other than changing the hardware I can't
> think of a single reason to ever shutdown a MacBook.

Major software and firmware upgrades?
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#54433

In message <JYWdndExhINnzlfPnZ2dnUVZ_qudnZ2d@earthlink.com> 
  Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> wrote:
> On 1/5/2014 7:34 PM PT, Lewis typed:
>> Little? How about none? I have a 2009 MacBook Pro that I am using right
>> now that to the best of my knowledge has only ever been shutdown to have
>> RAM added and an SSD put in. Other than changing the hardware I can't
>> think of a single reason to ever shutdown a MacBook.

> Major software and firmware upgrades?

Just a restart in those cases.

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#54364

On 2014-01-05 16:52:05 +0000, Ant said:

> Hello.
> 
> I noticed my client did not shut down his MacBook Pro today since 
> opening its lid up resulted the login screen instead of the usual boot 
> up from powering on. Its battery life was still high (91%) so that 
> wasn't bad, but is it really a good idea to put it to sleep/hibernation 
> for that long though especially when transporting it around like in 
> luggages? I can understand if it is a few minutes and hours for short 
> moves or idling, but days and moving around?
> 
> Thank you in advance. :)

Absolutely safe. I do it all the time.

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#54369

In article <1oqdnf9Iu-cmEFTPnZ2dnUVZ_qidnZ2d@earthlink.com>, Ant
<ant@zimage.comANT> wrote:

> Hello.
> 
> I noticed my client did not shut down his MacBook Pro today since 
> opening its lid up resulted the login screen instead of the usual boot 
> up from powering on. Its battery life was still high (91%) so that 
> wasn't bad, but is it really a good idea to put it to sleep/hibernation 
> for that long though especially when transporting it around like in 
> luggages? I can understand if it is a few minutes and hours for short 
> moves or idling, but days and moving around?

it's designed to sleep rather than shut down. 

if you are going to have it off for a few weeks, then shut it down,
since there is a very small amount of battery drain in sleep (a little
more than the self-discharge rate) and it will eventually shut itself
off anyway. if you shut it down first, then you control when it shuts
down.

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#54371

On 1/5/2014 10:00 AM PT, nospam typed:

>  it's designed to sleep rather than shut down.
>
> if you are going to have it off for a few weeks, then shut it down,
> since there is a very small amount of battery drain in sleep (a little
> more than the self-discharge rate) and it will eventually shut itself
> off anyway. if you shut it down first, then you control when it shuts
> down.

So even when transporting like (commut/travell)ing, it will be OK and 
safe? Interesting.
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#54376

In article <6fqdnaa-I8fePVTPnZ2dnUVZ_sqdnZ2d@earthlink.com>, Ant
<ant@zimage.comANT> wrote:

> So even when transporting like (commut/travell)ing, it will be OK and 
> safe? Interesting.

having to shut down all the time would be a pain in the ass.

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#54377

On 2014-01-05 18:11:15 +0000, Ant said:

> On 1/5/2014 10:00 AM PT, nospam typed:
> 
>> it's designed to sleep rather than shut down.
>> 
>> if you are going to have it off for a few weeks, then shut it down,
>> since there is a very small amount of battery drain in sleep (a little
>> more than the self-discharge rate) and it will eventually shut itself
>> off anyway. if you shut it down first, then you control when it shuts
>> down.
> 
> So even when transporting like (commut/travell)ing, it will be OK and 
> safe? Interesting.

What made you think it wouldn't be in the first place?

Hard drives have "parked" their heads when the are powered down for a 
long time now and with the fans, those are the only moving parts in a 
laptop.

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#54379

In article <6fqdnaa-I8fePVTPnZ2dnUVZ_sqdnZ2d@earthlink.com>,
 Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> wrote:

> On 1/5/2014 10:00 AM PT, nospam typed:
> 
> >  it's designed to sleep rather than shut down.
> >
> > if you are going to have it off for a few weeks, then shut it down,
> > since there is a very small amount of battery drain in sleep (a little
> > more than the self-discharge rate) and it will eventually shut itself
> > off anyway. if you shut it down first, then you control when it shuts
> > down.
> 
> So even when transporting like (commut/travell)ing, it will be OK and 
> safe? Interesting.

Why wouldn't it be???? Except for the technicality that it's keeping the 
RAM refreshed and watching for a "time to wake up" signal, there's very 
nearly no difference between "asleep" and "powered off".

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#54381

In article <laced8$oho$1@dont-email.me>, Don Bruder <dakidd@sonic.net>
wrote:
> In article <6fqdnaa-I8fePVTPnZ2dnUVZ_sqdnZ2d@earthlink.com>,
>  Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> wrote:
> > On 1/5/2014 10:00 AM PT, nospam typed:
> > >
> > >  it's designed to sleep rather than shut down.
> > >
> > > if you are going to have it off for a few weeks, then shut it down,
> > > since there is a very small amount of battery drain in sleep (a little
> > > more than the self-discharge rate) and it will eventually shut itself
> > > off anyway. if you shut it down first, then you control when it shuts
> > > down.
> > 
> > So even when transporting like (commut/travell)ing, it will be OK and 
> > safe? Interesting.
> 
> Why wouldn't it be???? Except for the technicality that it's keeping the 
> RAM refreshed and watching for a "time to wake up" signal, there's very 
> nearly no difference between "asleep" and "powered off".

Then there's also no reason not to simply power it off instead.  :-)

Realistically the only reason not to switch a computer off when it
won't be used for a while is because impatient fools can't wait the
extra few seconds for the computer to shutdown or reboot.  :-\

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#54382

In article <060120140924278909%YourName@YourISP.com>, Your Name
<YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:

> Then there's also no reason not to simply power it off instead.  :-)

yes there is. power off is only needed for storage or moving a computer
that plugs into the wall.

> Realistically the only reason not to switch a computer off when it
> won't be used for a while is because impatient fools can't wait the
> extra few seconds for the computer to shutdown or reboot.  :-\

it's more than a few seconds to boot, but regardless, instant trumps a
delay.

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#54409

On 2014-01-05 20:24:27 +0000, Your Name said:

> In article <laced8$oho$1@dont-email.me>, Don Bruder <dakidd@sonic.net>
> wrote:
>> In article <6fqdnaa-I8fePVTPnZ2dnUVZ_sqdnZ2d@earthlink.com>,
>> Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> wrote:
>>> On 1/5/2014 10:00 AM PT, nospam typed:
>>>> 
>>>> it's designed to sleep rather than shut down.
>>>> 
>>>> if you are going to have it off for a few weeks, then shut it down,
>>>> since there is a very small amount of battery drain in sleep (a little
>>>> more than the self-discharge rate) and it will eventually shut itself
>>>> off anyway. if you shut it down first, then you control when it shuts
>>>> down.
>>> 
>>> So even when transporting like (commut/travell)ing, it will be OK and
>>> safe? Interesting.
>> 
>> Why wouldn't it be???? Except for the technicality that it's keeping the
>> RAM refreshed and watching for a "time to wake up" signal, there's very
>> nearly no difference between "asleep" and "powered off".
> 
> Then there's also no reason not to simply power it off instead.  :-)

Of course there is: time to usable state.

> 
> Realistically the only reason not to switch a computer off when it
> won't be used for a while is because impatient fools can't wait the
> extra few seconds for the computer to shutdown or reboot.  :-\

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#54412

In article <lad6n7$nit$1@news.datemas.de>, Alan Baker
<alangbaker@telus.net> wrote:
> On 2014-01-05 20:24:27 +0000, Your Name said:
> > In article <laced8$oho$1@dont-email.me>, Don Bruder <dakidd@sonic.net>
> > wrote:
> >> In article <6fqdnaa-I8fePVTPnZ2dnUVZ_sqdnZ2d@earthlink.com>,
> >> Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> wrote:
> >>> On 1/5/2014 10:00 AM PT, nospam typed:
> >>>> 
> >>>> it's designed to sleep rather than shut down.
> >>>> 
> >>>> if you are going to have it off for a few weeks, then shut it down,
> >>>> since there is a very small amount of battery drain in sleep (a little
> >>>> more than the self-discharge rate) and it will eventually shut itself
> >>>> off anyway. if you shut it down first, then you control when it shuts
> >>>> down.
> >>> 
> >>> So even when transporting like (commut/travell)ing, it will be OK and
> >>> safe? Interesting.
> >> 
> >> Why wouldn't it be???? Except for the technicality that it's keeping the
> >> RAM refreshed and watching for a "time to wake up" signal, there's very
> >> nearly no difference between "asleep" and "powered off".
> > 
> > Then there's also no reason not to simply power it off instead.  :-)
> 
> Of course there is: time to usable state.

That's what I said below ...


> > Realistically the only reason not to switch a computer off when it
> > won't be used for a while is because impatient fools can't wait the
> > extra few seconds for the computer to shutdown or reboot.  :-\

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