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  A day later on Yosemite and iOS8 Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-06-03 19:48 +0000
    Re: A day later on Yosemite and iOS8 Lloyd  E Parsons <lloydp21@live.com> - 2014-06-03 15:24 -0500
      Re: A day later on Yosemite and iOS8 Tim McNamara <timmcn@bitstream.net> - 2014-06-03 19:07 -0500
        Re: A day later on Yosemite and iOS8 Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-06-04 03:10 +0000
        Re: A day later on Yosemite and iOS8 Lloyd  E Parsons <lloydp21@live.com> - 2014-06-03 22:13 -0500
          Re: A day later on Yosemite and iOS8 Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2014-06-03 21:23 -0700
            Re: A day later on Yosemite and iOS8 Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-06-05 03:58 +0000
          Re: A day later on Yosemite and iOS8 Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-06-03 21:37 -0700
            Re: A day later on Yosemite and iOS8 Lloyd  E Parsons <lloydp21@live.com> - 2014-06-04 07:25 -0500
              Re: A day later on Yosemite and iOS8 Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-06-05 09:47 +1200
    Re: A day later on Yosemite and iOS8 Kevin McMurtrie <mcmurtrie@pixelmemory.us> - 2014-06-03 21:55 -0700
      Re: A day later on Yosemite and iOS8 Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-06-04 16:01 +0000
        Re: A day later on Yosemite and iOS8 Kevin McMurtrie <mcmurtrie@pixelmemory.us> - 2014-06-04 19:54 -0700
          Re: A day later on Yosemite and iOS8 John McWilliams <jpmcw@comcast.net> - 2014-06-04 20:03 -0700
            Re: A day later on Yosemite and iOS8 Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-06-05 16:44 +1200
          Re: A day later on Yosemite and iOS8 Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-06-05 16:47 +1200
            Re: A day later on Yosemite and iOS8 JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-06-05 02:49 -0400
              Re: A day later on Yosemite and iOS8 Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-06-05 14:21 +0000
                Re: A day later on Yosemite and iOS8 JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-06-05 15:42 -0400
                  Re: A day later on Yosemite and iOS8 Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-06-05 19:56 +0000
                    Re: A day later on Yosemite and iOS8 Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-06-05 21:27 +0000
                      Re: A day later on Yosemite and iOS8 JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-06-05 17:35 -0400
                        Re: A day later on Yosemite and iOS8 Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-06-05 21:50 +0000
                  Re: A day later on Yosemite and iOS8 Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-06-11 18:42 +1200
                    Re: A day later on Yosemite and iOS8 Fred Moore <fmoore@gcfn.org> - 2014-06-11 10:53 -0400
                      Re: A day later on Yosemite and iOS8 Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-06-11 15:35 +0000
                        Re: A day later on Yosemite and iOS8 Fred Moore <fmoore@gcfn.org> - 2014-06-12 16:50 -0400
                      Re: A day later on Yosemite and iOS8 Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-06-12 09:12 +1200
                        Re: A day later on Yosemite and iOS8 Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-06-11 21:23 +0000
                          Re: A day later on Yosemite and iOS8 FPP <fredp151@gmail.com> - 2014-06-12 03:55 -0400
                          Re: A day later on Yosemite and iOS8 George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> - 2014-06-12 10:06 -0500
                            Re: A day later on Yosemite and iOS8 Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-06-12 18:33 +0000
                            Re: A day later on Yosemite and iOS8 Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-06-12 18:52 -0700
                              Re: A day later on Yosemite and iOS8 George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> - 2014-06-13 10:57 -0500
                                Re: A day later on Yosemite and iOS8 JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-06-13 18:08 -0400
                                  Re: A day later on Yosemite and iOS8 nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-06-13 18:15 -0400
                          Re: A day later on Yosemite and iOS8 John McWilliams <jpmcw@comcast.net> - 2014-06-12 22:31 -0700
                            Re: A day later on Yosemite and iOS8 Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-06-13 18:15 +1200
                              Re: A day later on Yosemite and iOS8 John McWilliams <jpmcw@comcast.net> - 2014-06-15 12:54 -0700
                    Re: A day later on Yosemite and iOS8 Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-06-11 15:40 +0000
            Re: A day later on Yosemite and iOS8 Ed Anson <EdAnson@comcast.net> - 2014-06-05 19:11 -0400
              Re: A day later on Yosemite and iOS8 Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2014-06-05 17:14 -0700
                Re: A day later on Yosemite and iOS8 Ed Anson <EdAnson@comcast.net> - 2014-06-05 22:44 -0400
            Re: A day later on Yosemite and iOS8 Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-06-06 20:54 -0400
          Re: A day later on Yosemite and iOS8 Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-06-05 05:15 +0000
      Re: A day later on Yosemite and iOS8 Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-06-05 04:00 +0000

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#60047 — A day later on Yosemite and iOS8

After a day and some time to go back over some parts of the Keynote I
think the most important announcements are

1) A file browser for iCloud Drive for OS X and iOS
2) The Ability of an app to open another Apps documents (from iCloud),
   and edit them *in place* without having to make new copies.
3) Extensions that allow apps to provide services to other apps.

The more I think about it, the more I am sure these are not just huge
massive changes to the entire philosophy of iOS, but also fundamental
changes that are going to change *everything* for iOS and Mac users.

A year from now, when we're looking at the coming changes in iOS 9, they
will be refinements and polish on iOS 8. This makes every single
previous iOS update look like a 0.1 update.

-- 
Be careful what you wish for. You never know who will be listening. Or
what, for that matter.

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#60051

On 2014-06-03 19:48:12 +0000, Lewis said:

> After a day and some time to go back over some parts of the Keynote I
> think the most important announcements are
> 
> 1) A file browser for iCloud Drive for OS X and iOS

That is certainly a big thing imo.  When I wanted some cloud space to 
use, I didn't give any consideration to iCloud at all as it couldn't be 
used like a drive and the cost was way out of whack with the 
competition.  With this new change upcoming I'll be able to use it 
effectively for all my cloud storage needs/wants.

> 2) The Ability of an app to open another Apps documents (from iCloud),
>    and edit them *in place* without having to make new copies.

yep, this is very nice to have too.

> 3) Extensions that allow apps to provide services to other apps.

I think this last one will be the biggest thing to come out of all this 
though most won't probably notice why things just got so much better.

> 
> The more I think about it, the more I am sure these are not just huge
> massive changes to the entire philosophy of iOS, but also fundamental
> changes that are going to change *everything* for iOS and Mac users.
> 
> A year from now, when we're looking at the coming changes in iOS 9, they
> will be refinements and polish on iOS 8. This makes every single
> previous iOS update look like a 0.1 update.

Overall I think the thrust of all of this was as much about integrating 
the Apple ecosystem beyond what we've ever seen from others so far.  
IOW, the culmination of years of building the whole widget!

-- 
Lloyd

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#60079

On Tue, 3 Jun 2014 15:24:32 -0500, Lloyd E Parsons <lloydp21@live.com> 
wrote:
> On 2014-06-03 19:48:12 +0000, Lewis said:
>
>> After a day and some time to go back over some parts of the Keynote I 
>> think the most important announcements are
>> 
>> 1) A file browser for iCloud Drive for OS X and iOS
>
> That is certainly a big thing imo.  When I wanted some cloud space to 
> use, I didn't give any consideration to iCloud at all as it couldn't 
> be used like a drive and the cost was way out of whack with the 
> competition.  With this new change upcoming I'll be able to use it 
> effectively for all my cloud storage needs/wants.
>
>> 2) The Ability of an app to open another Apps documents (from 
>> iCloud), and edit them *in place* without having to make new copies.
>
> yep, this is very nice to have too.
>
>> 3) Extensions that allow apps to provide services to other apps.
>
> I think this last one will be the biggest thing to come out of all 
> this though most won't probably notice why things just got so much 
> better.
>
>> 
>> The more I think about it, the more I am sure these are not just huge 
>> massive changes to the entire philosophy of iOS, but also fundamental 
>> changes that are going to change *everything* for iOS and Mac users.
>> 
>> A year from now, when we're looking at the coming changes in iOS 9, 
>> they will be refinements and polish on iOS 8. This makes every single 
>> previous iOS update look like a 0.1 update.
>
> Overall I think the thrust of all of this was as much about 
> integrating the Apple ecosystem beyond what we've ever seen from 
> others so far.  IOW, the culmination of years of building the whole 
> widget!

Not to poop the party but aren't all of these things already available 
in other ecosystems?  A couple of them may be better implemented in OS X 
and iOS but in some ways aren't we cheering things finally being the way 
they should have always been (esp iCloud)?

And when are they going to fix the bloated nightmare that is iTunes, 
returning it to music management and breaking out the sync functions 
into a more effective and efficient app?  Maybe they'll also eventually 
fix Calendar and Contact local syncing, which still ain't right.

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#60089

In message <slrnlosoqf.50a.timmcn@sugaree.local> 
  Tim McNamara <timmcn@bitstream.net> wrote:
> On Tue, 3 Jun 2014 15:24:32 -0500, Lloyd E Parsons <lloydp21@live.com> 
> wrote:
>> On 2014-06-03 19:48:12 +0000, Lewis said:
>>
>>> After a day and some time to go back over some parts of the Keynote I 
>>> think the most important announcements are
>>> 
>>> 1) A file browser for iCloud Drive for OS X and iOS
>>
>> That is certainly a big thing imo.  When I wanted some cloud space to 
>> use, I didn't give any consideration to iCloud at all as it couldn't 
>> be used like a drive and the cost was way out of whack with the 
>> competition.  With this new change upcoming I'll be able to use it 
>> effectively for all my cloud storage needs/wants.
>>
>>> 2) The Ability of an app to open another Apps documents (from 
>>> iCloud), and edit them *in place* without having to make new copies.
>>
>> yep, this is very nice to have too.
>>
>>> 3) Extensions that allow apps to provide services to other apps.
>>
>> I think this last one will be the biggest thing to come out of all 
>> this though most won't probably notice why things just got so much 
>> better.
>>
>>> 
>>> The more I think about it, the more I am sure these are not just huge 
>>> massive changes to the entire philosophy of iOS, but also fundamental 
>>> changes that are going to change *everything* for iOS and Mac users.
>>> 
>>> A year from now, when we're looking at the coming changes in iOS 9, 
>>> they will be refinements and polish on iOS 8. This makes every single 
>>> previous iOS update look like a 0.1 update.
>>
>> Overall I think the thrust of all of this was as much about 
>> integrating the Apple ecosystem beyond what we've ever seen from 
>> others so far.  IOW, the culmination of years of building the whole 
>> widget!

> Not to poop the party but aren't all of these things already available 
> in other ecosystems?  A couple of them may be better implemented in OS X 
> and iOS but in some ways aren't we cheering things finally being the way 
> they should have always been (esp iCloud)?

Some may be on other platforms, but no other platforms are as secure as
iOS. What we have no is better than what anyone else has. Well, assuming
it's all as advertised.

> And when are they going to fix the bloated nightmare that is iTunes, 
> returning it to music management and breaking out the sync functions 
> into a more effective and efficient app?

Never.

-- 
Rid yourself of doubt -- or should you? -George Carlin

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#60090

On 2014-06-04 00:07:43 +0000, Tim McNamara said:

> On Tue, 3 Jun 2014 15:24:32 -0500, Lloyd E Parsons <lloydp21@live.com>
> wrote:
>> On 2014-06-03 19:48:12 +0000, Lewis said:
>> 
>>> After a day and some time to go back over some parts of the Keynote I
>>> think the most important announcements are
>>> 
>>> 1) A file browser for iCloud Drive for OS X and iOS
>> 
>> That is certainly a big thing imo.  When I wanted some cloud space to
>> use, I didn't give any consideration to iCloud at all as it couldn't
>> be used like a drive and the cost was way out of whack with the
>> competition.  With this new change upcoming I'll be able to use it
>> effectively for all my cloud storage needs/wants.
>> 
>>> 2) The Ability of an app to open another Apps documents (from
>>> iCloud), and edit them *in place* without having to make new copies.
>> 
>> yep, this is very nice to have too.
>> 
>>> 3) Extensions that allow apps to provide services to other apps.
>> 
>> I think this last one will be the biggest thing to come out of all
>> this though most won't probably notice why things just got so much
>> better.
>> 
>>> 
>>> The more I think about it, the more I am sure these are not just huge
>>> massive changes to the entire philosophy of iOS, but also fundamental
>>> changes that are going to change *everything* for iOS and Mac users.
>>> 
>>> A year from now, when we're looking at the coming changes in iOS 9,
>>> they will be refinements and polish on iOS 8. This makes every single
>>> previous iOS update look like a 0.1 update.
>> 
>> Overall I think the thrust of all of this was as much about
>> integrating the Apple ecosystem beyond what we've ever seen from
>> others so far.  IOW, the culmination of years of building the whole
>> widget!
> 
> Not to poop the party but aren't all of these things already available
> in other ecosystems?  A couple of them may be better implemented in OS X
> and iOS but in some ways aren't we cheering things finally being the way
> they should have always been (esp iCloud)?

Yes some of the things are half-way available in one other ecosystem 
and that would be Windows 8.1  But then Apple has been superb over the 
years in bringing some already 1/2 done things to fruition properly.  I 
fully expect to see that with the 2 new OS's and new apps coming in the 
fall.

And iCloud is an oddity.  I never got more than the free storage 
because it had so little actual use, never even came close to using all 
of it.  Strangely enough some of the new things they talked about are 
actually revamps and re-releases of what we had with iDisk and MobileMe 
from a few years ago.

> 
> And when are they going to fix the bloated nightmare that is iTunes,
> returning it to music management and breaking out the sync functions
> into a more effective and efficient app?  Maybe they'll also eventually
> fix Calendar and Contact local syncing, which still ain't right.

I've not had issues with iTunes as it is, so can't really comment.


-- 
Lloyd

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#60097

On 2014-06-04 03:13:44 +0000, Lloyd  E Parsons <lloydp21@live.com> said:
> On 2014-06-04 00:07:43 +0000, Tim McNamara said:

<< Le Snip >>

>> Not to poop the party but aren't all of these things already available
>> in other ecosystems?  A couple of them may be better implemented in OS X
>> and iOS but in some ways aren't we cheering things finally being the way
>> they should have always been (esp iCloud)?
> 
> Yes some of the things are half-way available in one other ecosystem 
> and that would be Windows 8.1  But then Apple has been superb over the 
> years in bringing some already 1/2 done things to fruition properly.  I 
> fully expect to see that with the 2 new OS's and new apps coming in the 
> fall.
> 
> And iCloud is an oddity.  I never got more than the free storage 
> because it had so little actual use, never even came close to using all 
> of it.  Strangely enough some of the new things they talked about are 
> actually revamps and re-releases of what we had with iDisk and MobileMe 
> from a few years ago.

Yup! I paid my $100/year for 20GB of iDisc and Mobileme, and got my 
@mac.com & @me.com addresses. I also used Filechute to connect with 
that account to simplify managing and sharing image files. I 
occasionally shared files with a time limitation on the link directly 
from mac.com, or mobileme.com. When iCloud came along it removed all 
the functionality I actually used and hijacked that free 5GB of iCloud 
for a lot of its own uses via the system. So I moved to Dropbox, and 
minimized my use of iCloud.
Now, with the pricing model looking to be competitive, 200GB for 
$48/year, and a return of the old functionality iCloud is looking 
attractive again.

-- 
Regards,

Savageduck

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#60205

In message <2014060321230711274-savageduck1@REMOVESPAMmecom> 
  Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> wrote:
> When iCloud came along it removed all the functionality I actually
> used and hijacked that free 5GB of iCloud for a lot of its own uses
> via the system.

Um, no. None of the 5GB free storage is used by the system for anything
at all.

Photostream doesn’t count against your storage.
Apps, iTunes music, and iTunes video don’t count either.

You free storage is used for things *you* specifically choose to store.
like documents from iWork and backups of your iOS device settings.



-- 
you cannot code around infinite implementations of OCD -John C Welch

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#60100

In article <lmm2ta$chm$1@dont-email.me>, Lloyd  E Parsons
<lloydp21@live.com> wrote:

> Strangely enough some of the new things they talked about are
> actually revamps and re-releases of what we had with iDisk and
> MobileMe from a few years ago.

That was my reaction too, but what they talked out yesterday goes
further than what we had back then.

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#60124

On 2014-06-04 04:37:36 +0000, Michelle Steiner said:

> In article <lmm2ta$chm$1@dont-email.me>, Lloyd  E Parsons
> <lloydp21@live.com> wrote:
> 
>> Strangely enough some of the new things they talked about are
>> actually revamps and re-releases of what we had with iDisk and
>> MobileMe from a few years ago.
> 
> That was my reaction too, but what they talked out yesterday goes
> further than what we had back then.

It certainly does do that too.

-- 
Lloyd

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#60172

In article <lmn389$o0h$1@dont-email.me>, Lloyd  E Parsons
<lloydp21@live.com> wrote:

> On 2014-06-04 04:37:36 +0000, Michelle Steiner said:
> 
> > In article <lmm2ta$chm$1@dont-email.me>, Lloyd  E Parsons
> > <lloydp21@live.com> wrote:
> > 
> >> Strangely enough some of the new things they talked about are
> >> actually revamps and re-releases of what we had with iDisk and
> >> MobileMe from a few years ago.
> > 
> > That was my reaction too, but what they talked out yesterday goes
> > further than what we had back then.
> 
> It certainly does do that too.

Hollyweird has been doing "reboots" for a while, now it is just Apple
jumping on the bandwangon "rebooting" MobileMe, Sherlock, ...   ;-)

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#60102

In article <slrnlos9jt.am0.g.kreme@amelia.local>,
 Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:

> After a day and some time to go back over some parts of the Keynote I
> think the most important announcements are
> 
> 1) A file browser for iCloud Drive for OS X and iOS
> 2) The Ability of an app to open another Apps documents (from iCloud),
>    and edit them *in place* without having to make new copies.
> 3) Extensions that allow apps to provide services to other apps.
> 
> The more I think about it, the more I am sure these are not just huge
> massive changes to the entire philosophy of iOS, but also fundamental
> changes that are going to change *everything* for iOS and Mac users.
> 
> A year from now, when we're looking at the coming changes in iOS 9, they
> will be refinements and polish on iOS 8. This makes every single
> previous iOS update look like a 0.1 update.

So it's almost a modern operating system.  My Android phone has always 
supported that and it doesn't care who the 'cloud' is.  It's even happy 
with my 1st generation Mac Mini Server running 10.6.8.

Does anyone see extremely strong Apple parallels with Microsoft of the 
1980s and 1990s?  Apple made it into businesses because they adopted 
FreeBSD and open standards that made integration easy.  Now they're 
locking everything down so it's not compatible.  The Apple Store locks 
down who can sell apps.  iPhone hides your data.  iCloud holds your data 
hostage.  Soon 'Swift' will make absolutely sure that applications can't 
be cross platform.  (A nice 'f-y' to everyone who struggled to port 
their C++ app to Objective-C)

We all know what happened when Microsoft became too much of a 
proprietary lock-in hassle.  They went from innovation sales to 
maintenance sales.  Being that Apple's gadgets have a two year lifespan, 
a maintenance mode can't last long.

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#60140

On 2014-06-04, Kevin McMurtrie <mcmurtrie@pixelmemory.us> wrote:
>
> Being that Apple's gadgets have a two year lifespan, a maintenance
> mode can't last long.

LOL!!!

-- 
E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my ravenous SPAM filter.
I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead.

JR

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#60195

In article <bv8u71F6emdU11@mid.individual.net>,
 Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:

> On 2014-06-04, Kevin McMurtrie <mcmurtrie@pixelmemory.us> wrote:
> >
> > Being that Apple's gadgets have a two year lifespan, a maintenance
> > mode can't last long.
> 
> LOL!!!

Apple's revenue model requires a steady stream of new hardware upgrades 
and Apple Store software purchases.  Sure, the hardware keeps working 
but it stops generating Apple significant money after about 2 years.

Microsoft, Oracle, Adobe, etc. sell limited software licenses on many 
products so they keep generating revenue for as long as they're used.  
That's why they're still alive long after transitioning from innovator 
to maintainer.

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#60196

On 6/4/14   PDT, 7:54 PM, Kevin McMurtrie wrote:
> In article <bv8u71F6emdU11@mid.individual.net>,
>   Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
>
>> On 2014-06-04, Kevin McMurtrie <mcmurtrie@pixelmemory.us> wrote:
>>>
>>> Being that Apple's gadgets have a two year lifespan, a maintenance
>>> mode can't last long.
>>
>> LOL!!!
>
> Apple's revenue model requires a steady stream of new hardware upgrades
> and Apple Store software purchases.  Sure, the hardware keeps working
> but it stops generating Apple significant money after about 2 years.
>
> Microsoft, Oracle, Adobe, etc. sell limited software licenses on many
> products so they keep generating revenue for as long as they're used.
> That's why they're still alive long after transitioning from innovator
> to maintainer.
>
Microsoft, an innovator? Do tell!

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#60212

In article <lmommi$akn$1@dont-email.me>, John McWilliams
<jpmcw@comcast.net> wrote:

> On 6/4/14   PDT, 7:54 PM, Kevin McMurtrie wrote:
> > In article <bv8u71F6emdU11@mid.individual.net>,
> >   Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
> >
> >> On 2014-06-04, Kevin McMurtrie <mcmurtrie@pixelmemory.us> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Being that Apple's gadgets have a two year lifespan, a maintenance
> >>> mode can't last long.
> >>
> >> LOL!!!
> >
> > Apple's revenue model requires a steady stream of new hardware upgrades
> > and Apple Store software purchases.  Sure, the hardware keeps working
> > but it stops generating Apple significant money after about 2 years.
> >
> > Microsoft, Oracle, Adobe, etc. sell limited software licenses on many
> > products so they keep generating revenue for as long as they're used.
> > That's why they're still alive long after transitioning from innovator
> > to maintainer.
>
> Microsoft, an innovator? Do tell!

Microsoft steals, copies, or buys-out everything it has ever sold ...
and then completely screw it up. They couldn't "innovate" their way out
of a wet paper bag.  :-\

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#60213

In article <mcmurtrie-39FFF3.19541604062014@news.sonic.net>, Kevin
McMurtrie <mcmurtrie@pixelmemory.us> wrote:
> In article <bv8u71F6emdU11@mid.individual.net>,
>  Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
> > On 2014-06-04, Kevin McMurtrie <mcmurtrie@pixelmemory.us> wrote:
> > >
> > > Being that Apple's gadgets have a two year lifespan, a maintenance
> > > mode can't last long.
> > 
> > LOL!!!
> 
> Apple's revenue model requires a steady stream of new hardware upgrades 
> and Apple Store software purchases.  Sure, the hardware keeps working 
> but it stops generating Apple significant money after about 2 years.

Nope. Anything you buy via the iTunes or App Stores generates money for
Apple, and you can keep buying long after two years (especially from
the iTunes Store).



> Microsoft, Oracle, Adobe, etc. sell limited software licenses on many 
> products so they keep generating revenue for as long as they're used.  
> That's why they're still alive long after transitioning from innovator 
> to maintainer.

The monthly / annual fee structure that companies like Aodbe are moving
to are indeed designed to try to rake in more money from the casual
updater (those who continue to use the same version for many years),
but it actually loses them money from those who update frequently ...
whether that new structure pays off in the long term remains to be
seen.

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#60220

On 14-06-05 00:47, Your Name wrote:

> The monthly / annual fee structure that companies like Aodbe are moving
> to are indeed designed to try to rake in more money from the casual
> updater 

When products reach a mature state, upgrading for sake of upgrading
results in decreased product quality and increased bloat.  I think the
Adobe suite has reacehd such a state.

And if you won't be releaing major improvements (since your produsts are
mature), then the only way to continue to make money is to move to the
software rental paradigm.

OS-X has reached the "mature" state and Apple's constant upgrades are
reaching a point where undesirable features such as translucency are
becoming key marketing gimmicks to present a "totally new" product.

However, unlike Adobe, Apple has hardware sales to count on and doesn't
depend on OS revenenues, so it doesn't really have to do these yearly
upgrades. They could be minor things that really imporve stuff without
needing to do fluffy undesirable changes to the UI every year.

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#60232

On 2014-06-05, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote:
>
> OS-X has reached the "mature" state and Apple's constant upgrades are
> reaching a point where undesirable features such as translucency are
> becoming key marketing gimmicks to present a "totally new" product.

Bullshit. Apple has used marketing gimmicks such as translucency since
the very first release of Mac OS X.

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#60283

On 14-06-05 10:21, Jolly Roger wrote:

> Bullshit. Apple has used marketing gimmicks such as translucency since
> the very first release of Mac OS X.

Yes, but initially, there were major improvements made to OS-X to bring
it up to speed. As the OS gains the expected functionality, what is left
is just the application improvements.

Once you reach a point where the UI works well, there is no really a
need to constantly change it for the sake of making changes to justify a
 new version of the OS.

Then again, with the "Back to MAC" strategy, my guess is that Apple
needs the yearly releases to make the IOSification of the UI more
progressive/constant instead of more major steps.

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#60284

On 2014-06-05, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote:
> On 14-06-05 10:21, Jolly Roger wrote:
>
>> Bullshit. Apple has used marketing gimmicks such as translucency since
>> the very first release of Mac OS X.
>
> Yes, but initially, there were major improvements made to OS-X to bring
> it up to speed.

And there have been major improvements in every single Mac OS X release
thus far.

> As the OS gains the expected functionality, what is left
> is just the application improvements.

Mac OS X had undergone numerous major system improvements at every
single release thus far.

> Once you reach a point where the UI works well, there is no really a
> need to constantly change it for the sake of making changes to justify a
>  new version of the OS.

Apple has done no such thing.

> Then again, with the "Back to MAC" strategy, my guess is that Apple
> needs the yearly releases to make the IOSification of the UI more
> progressive/constant instead of more major steps.

Still harping on that old, tired argument? Lame.

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