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  The long decline of the Mac desktop? Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2012-08-18 11:16 -0400
    Re: The long decline of the Mac desktop? "China Blue [Tor], Meersburg" <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> - 2012-08-18 08:32 -0700
      Re: The long decline of the Mac desktop? TaliesinSoft <taliesinsoft@me.com> - 2012-08-18 10:45 -0500
        Re: The long decline of the Mac desktop? Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2012-08-18 16:49 +0100
          Re: The long decline of the Mac desktop? "China Blue [Tor], Meersburg" <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> - 2012-08-18 09:16 -0700
        Re: The long decline of the Mac desktop? "John Varela" <newlamps@verizon.net> - 2012-08-20 19:05 +0000
      Re: The long decline of the Mac desktop? Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2012-08-18 11:46 -0400
    Re: The long decline of the Mac desktop? JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2012-08-18 13:24 -0400
      Re: The long decline of the Mac desktop? Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2012-08-18 16:31 -0400
    Re: The long decline of the Mac desktop? Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> - 2012-08-18 11:00 -0700
      Re: The long decline of the Mac desktop? Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2012-08-18 11:48 -0700
        Re: The long decline of the Mac desktop? JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2012-08-18 15:52 -0400
          Re: The long decline of the Mac desktop? Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2012-08-18 16:39 -0400
          Re: The long decline of the Mac desktop? Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2012-08-19 13:27 +0200
      Re: The long decline of the Mac desktop? Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2012-08-18 16:38 -0400
        Re: The long decline of the Mac desktop? John Albert <j.albert@snet.net> - 2012-09-04 13:20 -0400
          Re: The long decline of the Mac desktop? YourName@YourISP.com (Your Name) - 2012-09-05 09:21 +1200
          Re: The long decline of the Mac desktop? Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2012-09-04 22:32 +0100
            Re: The long decline of the Mac desktop? John Albert <j.albert@snet.net> - 2012-09-06 12:11 -0400
              Re: The long decline of the Mac desktop? Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2012-09-06 17:45 +0100
              Re: The long decline of the Mac desktop? Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2012-09-07 05:31 +0000
          Re: The long decline of the Mac desktop? dorayme <dorayme@optusnet.com.au> - 2012-09-05 10:47 +1000
    Re: The long decline of the Mac desktop? YourName@YourISP.com (Your Name) - 2012-08-19 10:15 +1200
      Re: The long decline of the Mac desktop? Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2012-08-19 09:50 -0400
        Re: The long decline of the Mac desktop? Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2012-08-19 07:04 -0700
          Re: The long decline of the Mac desktop? Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2012-08-19 10:34 -0400
            Re: The long decline of the Mac desktop? Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2012-08-19 07:44 -0700
              Re: The long decline of the Mac desktop? Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2012-08-19 11:07 -0400
        Re: The long decline of the Mac desktop? Lloyd <lloydparsons@me.com> - 2012-08-19 09:41 -0500
          Re: The long decline of the Mac desktop? Kurt Ullman <kurtullman@yahoo.com> - 2012-08-19 10:46 -0400
            Re: The long decline of the Mac desktop? Lloyd <lloydparsons@me.com> - 2012-08-19 09:53 -0500
              Re: The long decline of the Mac desktop? Doug Anderson <ethelthelogremovethis@gmail.com> - 2012-08-20 10:24 -0700
          Re: The long decline of the Mac desktop? Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2012-08-19 11:05 -0400
            Re: The long decline of the Mac desktop? nospam@see.signature (Richard Maine) - 2012-08-19 08:56 -0700
              Re: The long decline of the Mac desktop? Lloyd <lloydparsons@me.com> - 2012-08-19 11:03 -0500
              Re: The long decline of the Mac desktop? John Young <jy@scallawags.net> - 2012-08-19 12:10 -0400
          Re: The long decline of the Mac desktop? YourName@YourISP.com (Your Name) - 2012-08-20 09:19 +1200
            Re: The long decline of the Mac desktop? Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2012-08-19 18:35 -0400
              Re: The long decline of the Mac desktop? YourName@YourISP.com (Your Name) - 2012-08-20 13:13 +1200
                Re: The long decline of the Mac desktop? Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2012-08-20 17:31 -0400
                  Re: The long decline of the Mac desktop? YourName@YourISP.com (Your Name) - 2012-08-21 13:22 +1200
                    Re: The long decline of the Mac desktop? Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2012-08-21 21:09 -0400
            Re: The long decline of the Mac desktop? JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2012-08-19 21:13 -0400
              Re: The long decline of the Mac desktop? Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2012-08-20 06:13 +0000
                Re: The long decline of the Mac desktop? JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2012-08-20 03:13 -0400
                  Re: The long decline of the Mac desktop? Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2012-08-20 19:06 +0000
                  Re: The long decline of the Mac desktop? Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2012-08-20 17:41 -0400
              Re: The long decline of the Mac desktop? Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2012-08-20 11:37 +0200
              Re: The long decline of the Mac desktop?   VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG - 2012-08-20 11:52 +0000
              Re: The long decline of the Mac desktop? Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2012-08-20 08:15 -0400
                Re: The long decline of the Mac desktop? TaliesinSoft <taliesinsoft@me.com> - 2012-08-20 09:53 -0500
                  Re: The long decline of the Mac desktop? Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2012-08-20 11:32 -0400
                    Re: The long decline of the Mac desktop? TaliesinSoft <taliesinsoft@me.com> - 2012-08-20 13:00 -0500
                      Re: The long decline of the Mac desktop? Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2012-08-20 17:32 -0400
                  Re: The long decline of the Mac desktop? Suze <replytome@thenewsgroup.com> - 2012-08-20 15:25 -0500
              Re: The long decline of the Mac desktop? Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2012-08-20 17:29 -0400
      Re: The long decline of the Mac desktop? Howard.not@home.com (Howard) - 2012-08-27 00:04 +0100
    Re: The long decline of the Mac desktop? Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2012-08-18 19:10 -0400
      Re: The long decline of the Mac desktop? Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2012-08-19 09:44 -0400
    Re: The long decline of the Mac desktop? Doug Anderson <ethelthelogremovethis@gmail.com> - 2012-08-18 17:05 -0700
      Re: The long decline of the Mac desktop? Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2012-08-18 20:42 -0400
    Re: The long decline of the Mac desktop? Suze <replytome@thenewsgroup.com> - 2012-08-19 09:50 -0500
      Re: The long decline of the Mac desktop? Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2012-08-19 11:17 -0400
        Re: The long decline of the Mac desktop? YourName@YourISP.com (Your Name) - 2012-08-20 09:21 +1200
          Re: The long decline of the Mac desktop? Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2012-08-19 18:42 -0400
            Re: The long decline of the Mac desktop? YourName@YourISP.com (Your Name) - 2012-08-20 13:11 +1200
              Re: The long decline of the Mac desktop? Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2012-08-20 17:20 -0400
                Re: The long decline of the Mac desktop? YourName@YourISP.com (Your Name) - 2012-08-21 13:26 +1200
    Re: The long decline of the Mac desktop? dont.spam.usenet@googlemail.com (Hauke Fath) - 2012-08-21 14:14 +0200
    Re: The long decline of the Mac desktop? Kevin McMurtrie <mcmurtrie@pixelmemory.us> - 2012-09-07 20:45 -0700

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#29809

In article <692dnZ5JFpUqMa_NnZ2dnUVZ_tGdnZ2d@giganews.com>, Alan Browne
<alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote:
> On 2012-08-19 21:13 , Your Name wrote:
> > In article <Yv-dnVIxgZqi96zNnZ2dnUVZ_gCdnZ2d@giganews.com>, Alan Browne
> > <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote:
> >> On 2012-08-19 17:19 , Your Name wrote:
> >>>
> >>> A laptop with the equivalent power, storage space, etc. plus the extra
> >>> device like the larger display, external keyboard and mouse / trackpad
> >>> will cost you more to buy and use up more desk space. Many people buying a
> >>> laptop do so simply because it looks "cool" / as a trendy fashion
> >>> statment.
> >>
> >> It looks really silly when you plug your 27" Mac in at Starbucks or put
> >> in the basket at the airport to go through the x-ray.
> >
> > I did have a paragraph before that which said "Unless you actually need
> > portability ..."
> 
> I was replying to your assertion that people buy laptops for appearances 
> rather than function - I don't agree with that.

I said MANY people, not ALL people (or even most people). 

Many people do buy a laptop / notebook simply to jump on the latest fad
bandwagon and then leave it sitting on their desk 24/7. "I've got a
laptop, ain't I cool."

These days the iPad has taken over largely as the latest "must have" fad,
but there are still people buying laptops when they don't actually need
them.

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#29864

On 2012-08-20 21:22 , Your Name wrote:
> In article <692dnZ5JFpUqMa_NnZ2dnUVZ_tGdnZ2d@giganews.com>, Alan Browne
> <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote:
>> On 2012-08-19 21:13 , Your Name wrote:
>>> In article <Yv-dnVIxgZqi96zNnZ2dnUVZ_gCdnZ2d@giganews.com>, Alan Browne
>>> <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote:
>>>> On 2012-08-19 17:19 , Your Name wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> A laptop with the equivalent power, storage space, etc. plus the extra
>>>>> device like the larger display, external keyboard and mouse / trackpad
>>>>> will cost you more to buy and use up more desk space. Many people buying a
>>>>> laptop do so simply because it looks "cool" / as a trendy fashion
>>>>> statment.
>>>>
>>>> It looks really silly when you plug your 27" Mac in at Starbucks or put
>>>> in the basket at the airport to go through the x-ray.
>>>
>>> I did have a paragraph before that which said "Unless you actually need
>>> portability ..."
>>
>> I was replying to your assertion that people buy laptops for appearances
>> rather than function - I don't agree with that.
>
> I said MANY people, not ALL people (or even most people).
>
> Many people do buy a laptop / notebook simply to jump on the latest fad
> bandwagon and then leave it sitting on their desk 24/7. "I've got a
> laptop, ain't I cool."

Horsefeathers.


-- 
"C'mon boys, you're not laying pipe!".
                                 -John Keating.

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#29742

Comment/question.

Laptops have traditionally (or perhaps historically) not been designed
for 24/7 use because it was assumed they would be used for a couple of
hours at a time. Ventilation and battery may not be suitable for
continuous use, especially if the CPU is constabtly being used (such as
Handbake etc).

Can anyone comment whether this is still applicable to Apple designed
laptops ?

Have CPU and GPUs gotten efficient enough that their heat production is
no longer an issue and allow continuuoius use without heat damage ?

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#29752

In message <50318f2a$0$1936$c3e8da3$5e5e430d@news.astraweb.com> 
  JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote:
> Have CPU and GPUs gotten efficient enough that their heat production is
> no longer an issue and allow continuuoius use without heat damage ?

To the computer or to your legs?

Laptops are still too hot for anyone in the industry to call them
"laptops", but I've never had any Apple "laptop" damage *itself* due to
heat. The very fact that they can be too hot to stick on your bare legs
is because they are quite efficient at expelling their heat.

-- 
IT DOES NOT SUCK TO BE YOU Bart chalkboard Ep. AABF13

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#29753

Lewis wrote:

> To the computer or to your legs?

To the computer. I know that some models of laptops had been used as
consoles for x86 machines in computer rooms (which means on 7/24) and
experienced high failure rates and the vendor told the customer that
laptops had not been designed to be used 7/24.

This was a number of years ago and they weren't Apple ones. So I was
wondering if this would be an issue/concern with modern laptops,
specifically the oned designed by Jonathan Ives for Apple with the fancy
 but quiet ventilation.

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#29769

In message <5031e3a6$0$2473$c3e8da3$5d8fb80f@news.astraweb.com> 
  JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote:
> Lewis wrote:

>> To the computer or to your legs?

> To the computer. I know that some models of laptops had been used as
> consoles for x86 machines in computer rooms (which means on 7/24) and
> experienced high failure rates and the vendor told the customer that
> laptops had not been designed to be used 7/24.

We're not talking about Macs then, are we?

> This was a number of years ago and they weren't Apple ones. So I was
> wondering if this would be an issue/concern with modern laptops,
> specifically the oned designed by Jonathan Ives for Apple with the fancy
>  but quiet ventilation.

Well, I don't have any empirical evidence, but I know I've *used* this
MacBookPro, and the previous MacBook for stretches of 18 hours many
times, and I did have the MacBook setup as a TV computer for several
months (set up with an external display and told to never sleep), but I
stopped doing that when it couldn't play h.264 video well enough.

I do know that some people like to run their laptops with an external
display and the internal display off, but open due to heat issues, but I
don't know if that has any basis in fact. I expect APple does not think
so since they eliminated this feature in 10.8.

-- 
Transvestite: A guy who likes to eat, drink and be Mary.

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#29788

On 2012-08-20 03:13 , JF Mezei wrote:
> Lewis wrote:
>
>> To the computer or to your legs?
>
> To the computer. I know that some models of laptops had been used as
> consoles for x86 machines in computer rooms (which means on 7/24) and
> experienced high failure rates and the vendor told the customer that
> laptops had not been designed to be used 7/24.

Horse apples.  The vendor was making excuses for a poor design in that 
model.  We ran Dell, hp and Toshiba laptops (and others too) 24/7 with 
good CPU loadings in the lab.  No failures at all.


-- 
"C'mon boys, you're not laying pipe!".
                                 -John Keating.

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#29755

On Sun, 19 Aug 2012 21:13:12 -0400, JF Mezei wrote:

> Comment/question.
> 
> Laptops have traditionally (or perhaps historically) not been designed
> for 24/7 use because it was assumed they would be used for a couple of
> hours at a time. Ventilation and battery may not be suitable for
> continuous use, especially if the CPU is constabtly being used (such as
> Handbake etc).
> 
> Can anyone comment whether this is still applicable to Apple designed
> laptops ?
> 
> Have CPU and GPUs gotten efficient enough that their heat production is
> no longer an issue and allow continuuoius use without heat damage ?

I ran my 2002 vintage iBook for 24 hours a day for several years.  I had 
to push it very hard on a hot day to make the fans kick in.  Yes the 
internal disk died at about 5 years old but I honestly cannot say that 
that was due to anything except its age.

The G4 PowerBook I have here is a different matter.  Although it still 
works fine, in the summer months it only needs to be switched on for 15 
minutes or less and the fans kick in full time.

-- 
Paul Sture

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#29757

In article <50318f2a$0$1936$c3e8da3$5e5e430d@news.astraweb.com>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> writes:
>Comment/question.
>
>Laptops have traditionally (or perhaps historically) not been designed
>for 24/7 use because it was assumed they would be used for a couple of
>hours at a time. Ventilation and battery may not be suitable for
>continuous use, especially if the CPU is constabtly being used (such as
>Handbake etc).
>
>Can anyone comment whether this is still applicable to Apple designed
>laptops ?

I can't comment on the design but I can comment on how mine are being
used here.  My 17" PowerBook G4 -- several battery replacements over
the past decade -- sits on my desk running 24/7 serving my streaming
audio needs to my AirPort Express.  Save for an occasional "blast" of
compressed air to purge vents, this has been running 10 years without
an issue.  Yes, there was a time when I took this 17" PowerBook in the
road but it has been resigned to my desktop for many years now.

My 17" MacBook Pro, which I still do power down and take on the road
from time to time, spends most of its time atop my desk and running
24/7 as well.  The MBP feels much cooler to the touch than the Power-
Book and it doesn't have the venting slots of the PowerBook.



>Have CPU and GPUs gotten efficient enough that their heat production is
>no longer an issue and allow continuuoius use without heat damage ?

I hope so. :)  Especially, since Apple stopped making the 17" MacBook
Pros.  Mine has to last me for the rest of my days unless they recon-
sider.
-- 
VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker    VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)ORG

Well I speak to machines with the voice of humanity.

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#29758

JF Mezei:
> Comment/question.
> 
> Laptops have traditionally (or perhaps historically) not been designed
> for 24/7 use because it was assumed they would be used for a couple of
> hours at a time. Ventilation and battery may not be suitable for
> continuous use, especially if the CPU is constabtly being used (such as
> Handbake etc).

Some people may have assumed that laptops were not designed for
continuous use, but I did not and I have been using laptops for long
workdays for many years.

> Can anyone comment whether this is still applicable to Apple designed
> laptops ?

N/A to me, as I never knew this to be applicable to Mac (or Windows)
laptops.

> Have CPU and GPUs gotten efficient enough that their heat production is
> no longer an issue and allow continuuoius use without heat damage ?

It has always been that way for me. I had an instance in which a MBPro
failed to sleep when closed, or perhaps woke up from sleep. It
overheated and the computer failed. This is not the same as operating
while closed with an external display, which I have done for years on
end with no problems. Apple replaced the main board under warranty. The
same result could be achieved by leaving a desktop computer running for
some hours in a tight-fitting, sealed box.

-- 
I agree with almost everything that you have said and almost everything that
you will say in your entire life.

usenet *at* davidillig dawt cawm

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#29761

On 2012-08-20 12:15:26 +0000, Davoud said:

> Some people may have assumed that laptops were not designed for
> continuous use, but I did not and I have been using laptops for long
> workdays for many years.

When my MacBook Pro (Apple doesn't use the term "laptop") is not "on 
the road" I keep it on a cooling stand which has several small fans for 
improving the circulation of air around the base of the computer. When 
my MacBook Pro was at home it was continuously on and I never 
experienced (at least to my awareness) any problem with overheating.

My iMac, current generation, is also on all the time and I don't feel 
any part of it that has any significant overheating.

-- 
James Leo Ryan - Austin, Texas

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#29763

TaliesinSoft:
> My iMac, current generation, is also on all the time and I don't feel 
> any part of it that has any significant overheating.

Our two 27" iMacs add to our home air-conditioning load in summer and
reduce the heating load in winter, and they're not always rendering
video or the like.

-- 
I agree with almost everything that you have said and almost everything that
you will say in your entire life.

usenet *at* davidillig dawt cawm

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#29767

On 2012-08-20 15:32:33 +0000, Davoud said:

[in response to my having stated]

> 
>> My iMac, current generation, is also on all the time and I don't feel
>> any part of it that has any significant overheating.
> 
> Our two 27" iMacs add to our home air-conditioning load in summer and
> reduce the heating load in winter, and they're not always rendering
> video or the like.

According to iStat the hottest part of my iMac is the power supply at 
160 degrees Farenheit. But when I'm using it I can't say I feel any 
heat increase.

-- 
James Leo Ryan - Austin, Texas

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#29785

On 2012-08-20 14:00 , TaliesinSoft wrote:
> On 2012-08-20 15:32:33 +0000, Davoud said:
>
> [in response to my having stated]
>
>>
>>> My iMac, current generation, is also on all the time and I don't feel
>>> any part of it that has any significant overheating.
>>
>> Our two 27" iMacs add to our home air-conditioning load in summer and
>> reduce the heating load in winter, and they're not always rendering
>> video or the like.
>
> According to iStat the hottest part of my iMac is the power supply at
> 160 degrees Farenheit. But when I'm using it I can't say I feel any heat
> increase.

Run handbrake for 30 minutes while doing other work (so the backlight 
stays on) and the top bezel can get very hot to the touch.

-- 
"C'mon boys, you're not laying pipe!".
                                 -John Keating.

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#29776

In article <a9f1bvFdp2U1@mid.individual.net>,
 TaliesinSoft <taliesinsoft@me.com> wrote:

> On 2012-08-20 12:15:26 +0000, Davoud said:
> 
> > Some people may have assumed that laptops were not designed for
> > continuous use, but I did not and I have been using laptops for long
> > workdays for many years.
> 
> When my MacBook Pro (Apple doesn't use the term "laptop") is not "on 
> the road" I keep it on a cooling stand which has several small fans for 
> improving the circulation of air around the base of the computer. When 
> my MacBook Pro was at home it was continuously on and I never 
> experienced (at least to my awareness) any problem with overheating.
> 
> My iMac, current generation, is also on all the time and I don't feel 
> any part of it that has any significant overheating.

I have one of those plastic crystal cases on my MacBook Pro, which has 
little feet on the back of it (like keyboards have), so I open the feet 
up and set it on a laptop pad when I'm running video-- it gets pretty 
warm on my quads otherwise.
-- 
Good judgment results from experience, and experience results from bad judgment.

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#29783

On 2012-08-19 21:13 , JF Mezei wrote:
> Comment/question.
>
> Laptops have traditionally (or perhaps historically) not been designed
> for 24/7 use because it was assumed they would be used for a couple of
> hours at a time. Ventilation and battery may not be suitable for
> continuous use, especially if the CPU is constabtly being used (such as
> Handbake etc).

We ran laptops continuously over many months at varying loads.  Some 
were doing the signal processing for up to 4 external systems at a time, 
24/7 with CPU loads in the 40 - 60% range.

Batteries were not an issue in this case though they may have suffered 
from the heat they were taking as opposed to making.  If this is a long 
term thing you can always remove the batteries and store them (at half 
charge for NiMH and Li-ion).

Keep it in an open area and it should not be an issue.

The metal enclosures (of most recent Macs) help bring the heat out. Just 
blow a small fan at each laptop if you want to keep them cooler.

The screen generates a lot of heat too.  Run the processes with the 
video off.

-- 
"C'mon boys, you're not laying pipe!".
                                 -John Keating.

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#30108

Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:

> Those figures are incredibly misleading, as they always are when taken out
> of context. Many people are awaiting the new iMac release before buying,
> while new laptops were released during that timeframe so were being
> snapped up.
> 
> In reality, Mac computer sales have been and still are growing, just not
> as massively fast as the iPad / iPhone figures - in fact Apple is one of
> the few companies growing their sales during the "economic problems". The
> "halo" effect is meaning more people are switching to Macs when it comes
> time to upgrade their computers (which is currently less often then it
> used to be).

100% right.

Howard

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#29693

Alan Browne:

> The trend continues whereby...

...you post the most inane, meaningless drivel imaginable.

-- 
I agree with almost everything that you have said and almost everything that
you will say in your entire life.

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#29710

On 2012-08-18 19:10 , Davoud wrote:
> Alan Browne:
>
>> The trend continues whereby...
>
> ...you post the most inane, meaningless drivel imaginable.

It's all there in the 10-Q reports.  I'll go out on a limb here and 
suggest that even you can understand them.


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                                 -John Keating.

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#29694

Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> writes:

> The trend continues whereby Mac desktop sales are no longer growing.
> 
> In the 3 months ended 30 June 2012, Mac desktops were down 13% (units)
> over the prior year, same period.  (For the 9 months ending the same
> day, Mac desktop sales were up 9%)

Is this part of a general trend in the industry where desktops are a
smaller percentage of units sold and laptops a higher one?

If so, it isn't surprising that Apple would see the same trend, right?

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