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Re: It's easy - when you know how! (was - Re: Here's The Scientific Reason Incompetent People Are Often So Confident)

From	Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com>
Newsgroups	comp.sys.mac.system, alt.comp.os.windows-10
Subject	Re: It's easy - when you know how! (was - Re: Here's The Scientific Reason Incompetent People Are Often So Confident)
Date	2019-01-16 00:23 +0000
Organization	People for the Ethical Treatment of Pirates
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On 2019-01-15, David B. <"David B"@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
> On 15/01/2019 17:53, Jolly Roger wrote:
>> 
>> Your Safe Boot problem is solved. It is normal that you need to disable
>> the firmware password before booting into safe mode. So you don't need
>> to spend any more time on this.
>
> You have no idea how pleased I am about this! :-D
>
>> Don't forget to re-enable the firmware password when you are done with
>> Safe Boot.
>
> I was going to ask you if you recommended that I do so.
>
> Thanks for the reminder. I've now re-enabled the firmware password.

I recommend all Mac users do the following:

If you set a firmware password on your Mac, then the computer will
refuse to start up from any internal or external storage device other
than the startup disk you have selected in the System Preferences >
Startup Disk preference pane. This means a would-be thief won't be able
to start up the computer with any other storage volume - even if they
take the startup drive out and replace it with another one.

<https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT204455>

If you enable full-disk encryption on the startup disk by enabling
System Preferences > Security > FileVault, then a would-be thief won't
be able to boot from or access the encrypted data on the startup disk -
even if they remove it from the computer and put it into another
computer or enclosure. Your data is safely encrypted.

<https://support.apple.com/en-gb/HT204837>

And if you enable Find My Mac in System Preferences > iCloud > Find My
Mac, then if your Mac is lost or stolen, you'll be able to remotely lock
it, track its physical location, display a custom message on it, play an
alarm sound on it, and even erase the contents of the startup drive
remotely from any iOS device or any computer with a web browser. In fact
you can do all of that ahead of time, and iCloud will dutifully wait for
the computer to connect to the internet and ping the iCloud service,
whenever that happens to be.

<https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT205362#findmymac>

I configure all of my Macs this way. And I've tested their setups by
logging into the iCloud web site (http://iCloud.com) or the Find My
iPhone app on any iOS device, and using it to activate those features. I
can do it all remotely from the Find My Phone app on any iOS device or
on any web browser on any computer, wherever I happen to be at the time.
I'm happy to report it works extremely well.  I rest fairly easy knowing
if my Macs are ever lost or stolen, not only is my data very safe from
prying eyes, but anyone trying to use those computers is in for a rude
awakening: they won't be able to do much with them at all. Highly
recommended.

> Should someone at Apple Support be contacted to hopefully spread the 
> word about this to their staff?

If you still have contact info for the Apple Support representative(s)
you talk with about not being able to Safe Boot, they probably would
benefit from learning why you couldn't do it. It probably just didn't
occur to them to ask whether you had a firmware password set.

> In all the time I've spent on the ASC during the last 10 years, I never 
> heard any mention of this protection preventing a computer starting in 
> Safe Boot mode. Not once!

That's interesting. The firmware password facility is meant to prevent
the computer from booting to anything but the volume specified in System
Preferences > Startup Disk. So it seems like common sense that it would
prevent someone from booting into Safe Mode as well.

-- 
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I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead.

JR

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Here's The Scientific Reason Incompetent People Are Often So Confident "David B." <"David B"@nomail.afraid.org> - 2019-01-13 17:52 +0000
  Re: Here's The Scientific Reason Incompetent People Are Often So Confident Ed Norton <norton@nowhere.com> - 2019-01-13 13:42 -0500
    Re: Here's The Scientific Reason Incompetent People Are Often So Confident MikeS <MikeS@fred.com> - 2019-01-13 19:48 +0000
    Re: Here's The Scientific Reason Incompetent People Are Often So Confident "David B." <"David B"@nomail.afraid.org> - 2019-01-13 19:52 +0000
      Re: Here's The Scientific Reason Incompetent People Are Often So Confident Alan Baker <nunya@ness.biz> - 2019-01-13 11:55 -0800
    Re: Here's The Scientific Reason Incompetent People Are Often So Confident Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2019-01-13 22:04 +0000
      Re: Here's The Scientific Reason Incompetent People Are Often So Confident "David B." <"David B"@nomail.afraid.org> - 2019-01-13 22:19 +0000
        Re: Here's The Scientific Reason Incompetent People Are Often So Confident "David B." <"David B"@nomail.afraid.org> - 2019-01-13 22:33 +0000
          Re: Here's The Scientific Reason Incompetent People Are Often So Confident Sjouke Burry <burrynulnulfour@ppllaanneett.nnll> - 2019-01-13 23:53 +0100
            Re: Here's The Scientific Reason Incompetent People Are Often So Confident Wolffan <akwolffan@zoho.com> - 2019-01-13 18:10 -0500
          Re: Here's The Scientific Reason Incompetent People Are Often So Confident "David B." <"David B"@nomail.afraid.org> - 2019-01-13 22:54 +0000
        Re: Here's The Scientific Reason Incompetent People Are Often So Confident Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2019-01-13 23:05 +0000
          Re: Here's The Scientific Reason Incompetent People Are Often So Confident "David B." <"David B"@nomail.afraid.org> - 2019-01-13 23:23 +0000
            Re: Here's The Scientific Reason Incompetent People Are Often So Confident nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2019-01-13 18:27 -0500
              Re: Here's The Scientific Reason Incompetent People Are Often So Confident "David B." <"David B"@nomail.afraid.org> - 2019-01-13 23:32 +0000
            Re: Here's The Scientific Reason Incompetent People Are Often So Confident Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2019-01-14 02:12 +0000
              Re: Here's The Scientific Reason Incompetent People Are Often So Confident "David B." <"David B"@nomail.afraid.org> - 2019-01-14 07:46 +0000
                Re: Here's The Scientific Reason Incompetent People Are Often So Confident Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2019-01-14 17:10 +0000
                Re: Here's The Scientific Reason Incompetent People Are Often So Confident nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2019-01-14 12:57 -0500
                Re: Here's The Scientific Reason Incompetent People Are Often So Confident "David B." <"David B"@nomail.afraid.org> - 2019-01-14 20:16 +0000
                Re: Here's The Scientific Reason Incompetent People Are Often So Confident Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2019-01-15 01:28 +0000
                Re: Here's The Scientific Reason Incompetent People Are Often So Confident nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2019-01-14 20:41 -0500
        Re: Here's The Scientific Reason Incompetent People Are Often So Confident Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2019-01-13 19:59 -0500
          Re: Here's The Scientific Reason Incompetent People Are Often So Confident Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2019-01-14 02:22 +0000
          Re: Here's The Scientific Reason Incompetent People Are Often So Confident "David B." <"David B"@nomail.afraid.org> - 2019-01-14 07:43 +0000
            Re: Here's The Scientific Reason Incompetent People Are Often So Confident Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2019-01-14 17:09 +0000
              Re: Here's The Scientific Reason Incompetent People Are Often So Confident Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2019-01-14 14:28 -0500
                Re: Here's The Scientific Reason Incompetent People Are Often So Confident "David B." <"David B"@nomail.afraid.org> - 2019-01-14 19:58 +0000
                Re: Here's The Scientific Reason Incompetent People Are Often So Confident Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2019-01-14 20:19 +0000
                Re: Here's The Scientific Reason Incompetent People Are Often So Confident "David B." <"David B"@nomail.afraid.org> - 2019-01-14 20:24 +0000
                Re: Here's The Scientific Reason Incompetent People Are Often So Confident Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2019-01-15 00:28 +0000
                Re: Here's The Scientific Reason Incompetent People Are Often So Confident "David B." <"David B"@nomail.afraid.org> - 2019-01-15 11:37 +0000
                Re: Here's The Scientific Reason Incompetent People Are Often So Confident Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2019-01-15 15:50 +0000
                It's easy - when you know how! (was - Re: Here's The Scientific Reason Incompetent People Are Often So Confident) "David B." <"David B"@nomail.afraid.org> - 2019-01-15 17:29 +0000
                Re: It's easy - when you know how! (was - Re: Here's The Scientific Reason Incompetent People Are Often So Confident) Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2019-01-15 17:53 +0000
                Re: It's easy - when you know how! (was - Re: Here's The Scientific Reason Incompetent People Are Often So Confident) "David B." <"David B"@nomail.afraid.org> - 2019-01-15 23:38 +0000
                Re: It's easy - when you know how! (was - Re: Here's The Scientific Reason Incompetent People Are Often So Confident) nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2019-01-15 19:18 -0500
                Re: It's easy - when you know how! (was - Re: Here's The Scientific Reason Incompetent People Are Often So Confident) "David B." <"David B"@nomail.afraid.org> - 2019-01-16 08:16 +0000
                Re: It's easy - when you know how! (was - Re: Here's The Scientific Reason Incompetent People Are Often So Confident) Char Jackson <none@none.invalid> - 2019-01-16 09:43 -0600
                Re: It's easy - when you know how! (was - Re: Here's The Scientific Reason Incompetent People Are Often So Confident) "David B." <"David B"@nomail.afraid.org> - 2019-01-17 20:07 +0000
                Re: It's easy - when you know how! (was - Re: Here's The Scientific Reason Incompetent People Are Often So Confident) "Beauregard T. Shagnasty" <a.nony.mous@example.inwalid> - 2019-01-17 20:34 +0000
                Re: It's easy - when you know how! (was - Re: Here's The Scientific Reason Incompetent People Are Often So Confident) Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2019-01-17 20:51 +0000
                Re: It's easy - when you know how! (was - Re: Here's The Scientific Reason Incompetent People Are Often So Confident) nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2019-01-17 16:05 -0500
                Re: It's easy - when you know how! (was - Re: Here's The Scientific Reason Incompetent People Are Often So Confident) "Beauregard T. Shagnasty" <a.nony.mous@example.inwalid> - 2019-01-17 21:08 +0000
                Re: It's easy - when you know how! (was - Re: Here's The Scientific Reason Incompetent People Are Often So Confident) Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2019-01-17 21:15 +0000
                Re: It's easy - when you know how! (was - Re: Here's The Scientific Reason Incompetent People Are Often So Confident) "Beauregard T. Shagnasty" <a.nony.mous@example.inwalid> - 2019-01-17 21:46 +0000
                Re: It's easy - when you know how! (was - Re: Here's The Scientific Reason Incompetent People Are Often So Confident) Char Jackson <none@none.invalid> - 2019-01-18 13:18 -0600
                Re: It's easy - when you know how! (was - Re: Here's The Scientific Reason Incompetent People Are Often So Confident) "David B." <"David B"@nomail.afraid.org> - 2019-01-18 19:26 +0000
                Re: It's easy - when you know how! (was - Re: Here's The Scientific Reason Incompetent People Are Often So Confident) Alan Baker <nunya@ness.biz> - 2019-01-18 12:41 -0800
                Re: It's easy - when you know how! (was - Re: Here's The Scientific Reason Incompetent People Are Often So Confident) "David B." <"David B"@nomail.afraid.org> - 2019-01-18 20:59 +0000
                Re: It's easy - when you know how! (was - Re: Here's The Scientific Reason Incompetent People Are Often So Confident) "David B." <"David B"@nomail.afraid.invalid> - 2019-02-01 10:46 +0000
                Re: It's easy - when you know how! (was - Re: Here's The Scientific Reason Incompetent People Are Often So Confident) Alan Baker <nunya@ness.biz> - 2019-02-01 08:44 -0800
                Re: It's easy - when you know how! (was - Re: Here's The Scientific Reason Incompetent People Are Often So Confident) "David B." <"David B"@nomail.afraid.invalid> - 2019-02-01 20:11 +0000
                Re: It's easy - when you know how! (was - Re: Here's The Scientific Reason Incompetent People Are Often So Confident) Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2019-02-01 18:36 -0500
                Re: It's easy - when you know how! (was - Re: Here's The Scientific Reason Incompetent People Are Often So Confident) John McWilliams <jpmcw@comcast.net> - 2019-02-01 15:48 -0800
                Re: It's easy - when you know how! (was - Re: Here's The Scientific Reason Incompetent People Are Often So Confident) "David B." <"David B"@nomail.afraid.invalid> - 2019-02-01 23:53 +0000
                Re: It's easy - when you know how! (was - Re: Here's The Scientific Reason Incompetent People Are Often So Confident) John McWilliams <jpmcw@comcast.net> - 2019-02-01 20:09 -0800
                Re: It's easy - when you know how! (was - Re: Here's The Scientific Reason Incompetent People Are Often So Confident) Alan Baker <nunya@ness.biz> - 2019-02-03 11:47 -0800
                Re: It's easy - when you know how! (was - Re: Here's The Scientific Reason Incompetent People Are Often So Confident) "David B." <"David B"@nomail.afraid.invalid> - 2019-02-03 20:00 +0000
                Re: It's easy - when you know how! (was - Re: Here's The Scientific Reason Incompetent People Are Often So Confident) Alan Baker <nunya@ness.biz> - 2019-02-03 15:32 -0800
                Re: It's easy - when you know how! (was - Re: Here's The Scientific Reason Incompetent People Are Often So Confident) "David B." <"David B"@nomail.afraid.invalid> - 2019-02-04 01:02 +0000
                Re: It's easy - when you know how! (was - Re: Here's The Scientific Reason Incompetent People Are Often So Confident) Alan Baker <nunya@ness.biz> - 2019-02-03 17:30 -0800
                Re: It's easy - when you know how! (was - Re: Here's The Scientific Reason Incompetent People Are Often So Confident) "David B." <"David B"@nomail.afraid.invalid> - 2019-02-04 18:04 +0000
                Re: It's easy - when you know how! (was - Re: Here's The Scientific Reason Incompetent People Are Often So Confident) Ed Norton <norton@nowhere.com> - 2019-02-04 13:19 -0500
                TROLL post "David B." <"David B"@nomail.afraid.invalid> - 2019-02-04 22:47 +0000
                Re: TROLL post Alan Baker <nunya@ness.biz> - 2019-02-04 19:24 -0800
                Re: It's easy - when you know how! (was - Re: Here's The Scientific Reason Incompetent People Are Often So Confident) Alan Baker <nunya@ness.biz> - 2019-02-04 16:31 -0800
                Re: It's easy - when you know how! (was - Re: Here's The Scientific Reason Incompetent People Are Often So Confident) "David B." <"David B"@nomail.afraid.org> - 2019-01-18 00:44 +0000
                Re: It's easy - when you know how! (was - Re: Here's The Scientific Reason Incompetent People Are Often So Confident) "Beauregard T. Shagnasty" <a.nony.mous@example.inwalid> - 2019-01-18 01:25 +0000
                Re: It's easy - when you know how! (was - Re: Here's The Scientific Reason Incompetent People Are Often So Confident) "David B." <"David B"@nomail.afraid.org> - 2019-01-18 01:40 +0000
                Re: It's easy - when you know how! (was - Re: Here's The Scientific Reason Incompetent People Are Often So Confident) Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2019-01-16 00:23 +0000
                Re: It's easy - when you know how! (was - Re: Here's The Scientific Reason Incompetent People Are Often So Confident) "David B." <"David B"@nomail.afraid.org> - 2019-01-16 08:11 +0000
                Re: It's easy - when you know how! (was - Re: Here's The Scientific Reason Incompetent People Are Often So Confident) nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2019-01-15 12:55 -0500
                Re: It's easy - when you know how! (was - Re: Here's The Scientific Reason Incompetent People Are Often So Confident) "David B." <"David B"@nomail.afraid.org> - 2019-01-15 18:29 +0000
                Re: It's easy - when you know how! (was - Re: Here's The Scientific Reason Incompetent People Are Often So Confident) nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2019-01-15 13:31 -0500
                Re: Here's The Scientific Reason Incompetent People Are Often So Confident "David B." <"David B"@nomail.afraid.org> - 2019-01-15 12:21 +0000
                Re: Here's The Scientific Reason Incompetent People Are Often So Confident Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2019-01-15 12:35 +0000
                Re: Here's The Scientific Reason Incompetent People Are Often So Confident "David B." <"David B"@nomail.afraid.org> - 2019-01-15 12:54 +0000
                Re: Here's The Scientific Reason Incompetent People Are Often So Confident Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2019-01-15 13:00 +0000
                Re: Here's The Scientific Reason Incompetent People Are Often So Confident "David B." <"David B"@nomail.afraid.org> - 2019-01-15 13:32 +0000
                Re: Here's The Scientific Reason Incompetent People Are Often So Confident "David B." <"David B"@nomail.afraid.org> - 2019-01-15 13:41 +0000
                Re: Here's The Scientific Reason Incompetent People Are Often So Confident nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2019-01-15 09:47 -0500
                Re: Here's The Scientific Reason Incompetent People Are Often So Confident "David B." <"David B"@nomail.afraid.org> - 2019-01-15 17:33 +0000
                Re: Here's The Scientific Reason Incompetent People Are Often So Confident Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2019-01-15 15:53 +0000
                Re: Here's The Scientific Reason Incompetent People Are Often So Confident "David B." <"David B"@nomail.afraid.org> - 2019-01-15 17:36 +0000
                Re: Here's The Scientific Reason Incompetent People Are Often So Confident Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2019-01-15 17:42 +0000
                Re: Here's The Scientific Reason Incompetent People Are Often So Confident "David B." <"David B"@nomail.afraid.org> - 2019-01-15 19:07 +0000
                Re: Here's The Scientific Reason Incompetent People Are Often So Confident Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2019-01-15 15:51 +0000
                Re: Here's The Scientific Reason Incompetent People Are Often So Confident "David B." <"David B"@nomail.afraid.org> - 2019-01-15 17:41 +0000
                Re: Here's The Scientific Reason Incompetent People Are Often So Confident Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2019-01-15 17:46 +0000
                Re: Here's The Scientific Reason Incompetent People Are Often So Confident "David B." <"David B"@nomail.afraid.org> - 2019-01-15 19:11 +0000
                Re: Here's The Scientific Reason Incompetent People Are Often So Confident nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2019-01-14 17:10 -0500
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      Re: Here's The Scientific Reason Incompetent People Are Often So Confident "David B." <"David B"@nomail.afraid.org> - 2019-01-13 22:15 +0000
        Re: Here's The Scientific Reason Incompetent People Are Often So Confident Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2019-01-13 23:02 +0000
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      Re: Here's The Scientific Reason Incompetent People Are Often So Confident Ed Norton <norton@nowhere.com> - 2019-01-14 11:16 -0500
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