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Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies

From "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com>
Newsgroups misc.phone.mobile.iphone, comp.mobile.ipad, comp.sys.mac.system
Subject Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies
Date 2015-03-23 12:30 +1100
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JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote
> Lewis wrote

>> Because there is no *need* to supply more than credit card info.

> And this is plain wrong. A bank cannot "green lane" a card before it
> gets the request to activate card on Apple Pay, and it cannot gauge how
> authentic that request is with only credit card number, name on credit
> card and expiration date. It needs more info to validate that the person
> is who they say they are instead of some thief.

It always gets more info.

> At the end of the day, if Apple Pay represents
> an inferior security with higher fraud,

It doesn’t.

> it doesn't matter if it the bank's, Apple's or
> shared fault. The system yields lower security.

No it does not when the banks that do it properly get a very secure result.

> And since this is an Apple branded service,
> it is to Apple's advantage to fix it.

Not when 'fixing' it is done by requiring a lot
more information from the customer than the
customer is willing to provide to Apple.

The last thing I am going to do is give an operation
like apple any of my personal information. Even the
bank gets fuck all of my personal information.

> (And I assume it is being done).

Stupid assumption. ALL we know is that Apple is
providing MORE information than they did originally.

It isn't even clear if that will see the fraud rate drop to
the best levels yet. I bet it won't if only because there
is no physical card needed to add a card to applepay
and few of the banks tell all their customers when a
card has been added to applepay so that if fraud has
happened the customer can have the card cancelled.

> If news of ramnpant fraud on Apple Pay spread,
> the system will lose trust of the public.

I don’t believe that WITH THE REGISTRATION PROCESS.

The fact that some do fraudulently add cards
to applepay isn't going to see more than a few
stupid loons return to using cash now when there
is no liability for the customer if fraud occurs.

> Remember that a LOT of the public has distrust of such transactions
> done by a phone, to a large extent because they do not understand
> what really goes on and that the transaction is as safe of not safer
> than a regular transaction. (especually in USA where regular
> magstripe transactions have basically 0 security).

That last is even sillier than you usually manage.

AND CUSTOMERS KEEP USING MAGSTRIPE CARDS ANYWAY.

Essentially because it’s the banks that wear the fraud that does occur.

> So at this stage of launching mobile payments, it is important
> to have the image that it is a very secure system.

And Apple has achieved that.

> This is an issue for all those setting up mobile payment
> systems, from banks with their own apps on Android/
> Blackberry, or those who particiapte in Apple Pay.

Apple has dealt with that issue very effectively indeed.

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Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-03-20 17:03 -0700
  Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-03-20 20:28 -0400
    Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-03-21 14:38 +1100
  Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-03-21 13:55 +1100
    Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-03-20 20:59 -0700
      Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-03-21 16:51 +1100
        Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-03-21 07:53 -0700
          Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-03-22 05:19 +1100
  Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2015-03-21 09:57 +0000
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      Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-03-21 13:11 -0400
        Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-03-22 05:51 +1100
          Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-03-21 15:10 -0400
            Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-03-22 06:24 +1100
        Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2015-03-21 17:49 -0400
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          Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-03-21 12:38 -0400
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              Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-03-22 13:04 +0000
                Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2015-03-22 10:11 -0400
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          Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-03-22 05:32 +1100
          Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-03-21 15:08 -0700
          Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-03-22 13:02 +0000
        Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2015-03-21 17:46 -0400
          Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-03-22 13:19 +0000
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              Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-03-22 14:12 +0000
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                Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2015-03-22 18:58 -0400
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                Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-03-22 20:30 -0400
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                Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-03-23 12:43 +1100
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            Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-03-23 05:25 +1100
            Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-03-22 23:15 +0000
            Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-03-23 02:40 +0000
  Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2015-03-21 09:02 -0400
  Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> - 2015-03-21 11:43 -0500
    Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-03-22 13:10 +0000
      Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> - 2015-03-22 10:33 -0500
        Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-03-22 15:48 +0000

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