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Re: Merry Christmas !

From Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com>
Newsgroups comp.sys.mac.system
Subject Re: Merry Christmas !
Date 2013-12-20 12:36 +1300
Organization Aioe.org NNTP Server
Message-ID <201220131236313125%YourName@YourISP.com> (permalink)
References (3 earlier) <0rg4b9d4d8ov3ilptqmsvso6gm10f4vd41@4ax.com> <181220131813500180%michelle@michelle.org> <rqi4b9den4a74e5jjk653vosh00u4208uq@4ax.com> <181220131945561756%michelle@michelle.org> <jnm6b9l4l3bpfhhj2ano5n8jlvruo9qf4f@4ax.com>

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In article <jnm6b9l4l3bpfhhj2ano5n8jlvruo9qf4f@4ax.com>, John
<Man@the.keyboard> wrote:

> On Wed, 18 Dec 2013 19:45:56 -0700, Michelle Steiner
> <michelle@michelle.org> wrote:
> 
> >In article <rqi4b9den4a74e5jjk653vosh00u4208uq@4ax.com>, John
> ><Man@the.keyboard> wrote:
> >
> >> >When someone wishes me a Merry Christmas, they're making an erroneous
> >> >assumption about me.
> >> 
> >>  Sorry but I'm not.
> >
> >Yes, you are.
> >
> ><snip>
> >
> >> Wishing you a "Merry Christmas" says I was born and have lived in a
> >> culture that calls the Winter Festival of Returning Light "Christmas".
> >> It says *nothing* at all about you.
> >
> >It assumes that I celebrate or observe Christmas.  If I said "Happy
> >Chanukkah" to you, it would mean that I assumed that you were Jewish.
> >
> >> I know and assume nothing of your culture, your creeds if any or your
> >> nature.
> >
> >By saying "Merry Christmas" to me, you are assuming that I celebrate or
> >observe Christmas.
> >
> >>  It is seasonal shorthand for "I hope I find you well and happy and
> >> you have my compassion if not and an offer of aid - such as I am able
> >> to give - should you need and want it from such as me". 
> >
> >"Happy holidays" conveys the same message without the assumption about
> >which holiday I might be celebrating or observing.
<snip>

By saying "Happy holidays" you are assuming that I "celebrate"
*anything* in December / January. Personally I don't bother with any of
the over-bloated "seasonal" excuses for retailers to cash-in.   :-)

For people who are alone, homeless, etc. even "Happy holidays" can also
be a bad reminder of everything they haven't got.

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Merry Christmas ! JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2013-12-17 23:45 -0500
  Re: Merry Christmas ! John <Man@the.keyboard> - 2013-12-18 06:04 +0000
    Re: Merry Christmas ! John <Man@the.keyboard> - 2013-12-18 06:20 +0000
      Re: Merry Christmas ! JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2013-12-18 01:44 -0500
        Re: Merry Christmas ! George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> - 2013-12-18 08:29 -0600
          Re: Merry Christmas ! Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2013-12-18 08:07 -0700
            Re: Merry Christmas ! Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2013-12-18 11:23 -0500
            Re: Merry Christmas ! George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> - 2013-12-18 11:33 -0600
              Re: Merry Christmas ! Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2013-12-18 11:26 -0700
                Re: Merry Christmas ! George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> - 2013-12-18 12:53 -0600
                Re: Merry Christmas ! Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2013-12-18 12:27 -0700
                Re: Merry Christmas ! George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> - 2013-12-19 10:38 -0600
                Re: Merry Christmas ! Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-12-18 21:19 +0000
                Re: Merry Christmas ! nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2013-12-18 17:59 -0500
                Re: Merry Christmas ! dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2013-12-19 12:00 +1300
                Re: Merry Christmas ! Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2013-12-18 17:45 -0700
                Re: Merry Christmas ! Jim Gibson <jimsgibson@gmail.com> - 2013-12-19 10:22 -0800
          Re: Merry Christmas ! John <Man@the.keyboard> - 2013-12-19 00:13 +0000
        Re: Merry Christmas ! Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2013-12-18 11:20 -0500
          Re: Merry Christmas ! George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> - 2013-12-18 11:39 -0600
            Re: Merry Christmas ! Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2013-12-18 14:35 -0500
              Re: Merry Christmas ! JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2013-12-18 16:32 -0500
                Re: Merry Christmas ! Fred Moore <fmoore@gcfn.org> - 2013-12-19 11:35 -0500
                Re: Merry Christmas ! JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2013-12-19 15:16 -0500
                Re: Merry Christmas ! George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> - 2013-12-19 10:41 -0600
              Re: Merry Christmas ! John <Man@the.keyboard> - 2013-12-19 00:17 +0000
                Re: Merry Christmas ! Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2013-12-19 08:54 -0500
                Re: Merry Christmas ! Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2013-12-19 08:00 -0700
                Re: Merry Christmas ! Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2013-12-19 16:41 +0000
              Re: Merry Christmas ! Fred Moore <fmoore@gcfn.org> - 2013-12-19 11:33 -0500
                Re: Merry Christmas ! Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2013-12-20 12:57 -0500
                Re: Merry Christmas ! Fred Moore <fmoore@gcfn.org> - 2013-12-20 13:09 -0500
                Re: Merry Christmas ! JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2013-12-20 13:23 -0500
                Re: Merry Christmas ! Kurt Ullman <kurtullman@yahoo.com> - 2013-12-20 14:09 -0500
                Re: Merry Christmas ! Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2013-12-20 17:49 -0700
                Re: Merry Christmas ! Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2013-12-22 16:43 -0500
                Re: Merry Christmas ! JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2013-12-22 17:12 -0500
                Re: Merry Christmas ! Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-12-23 13:32 +1300
                Re: Merry Christmas ! gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2013-12-23 09:33 -0800
                Re: Merry Christmas ! Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-12-23 18:57 +0000
                Re: Merry Christmas ! gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2013-12-23 11:20 -0800
                Re: Merry Christmas ! Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-12-23 21:00 +0000
                Re: Merry Christmas ! Wes Groleau <Usenet@Grolea.us> - 2013-12-23 21:13 -0500
                Re: Merry Christmas ! gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2013-12-23 18:34 -0800
              Re: Merry Christmas ! George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> - 2013-12-19 10:40 -0600
                Re: Merry Christmas ! Wes Groleau <Usenet@Grolea.us> - 2013-12-19 23:46 -0500
        Re: Merry Christmas ! John <Man@the.keyboard> - 2013-12-19 00:11 +0000
          Re: Merry Christmas ! Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2013-12-19 08:52 -0500
    Re: Merry Christmas ! Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-12-18 13:08 +0000
      Re: Merry Christmas ! Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2013-12-18 08:11 -0700
      Re: Merry Christmas ! J Burns <burns4@nowhere.com> - 2013-12-18 10:16 -0500
      Re: Merry Christmas ! Fred Moore <fmoore@gcfn.org> - 2013-12-18 11:18 -0500
        Re: Merry Christmas ! John <Man@the.keyboard> - 2013-12-19 00:35 +0000
          Re: Merry Christmas ! Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2013-12-19 09:00 -0500
            Re: Merry Christmas ! Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2013-12-19 13:03 -0500
              Re: Merry Christmas ! Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2013-12-19 18:58 +0000
            Re: Merry Christmas ! John <Man@the.keyboard> - 2013-12-19 21:07 +0000
              Re: Merry Christmas ! Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2013-12-19 21:54 +0000
              Re: Merry Christmas ! Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2013-12-20 12:30 -0500
        Re: Merry Christmas ! Wes Groleau <Usenet@Grolea.us> - 2013-12-18 20:27 -0500
          Re: Merry Christmas ! Fred Moore <fmoore@gcfn.org> - 2013-12-19 11:23 -0500
    Re: Merry Christmas ! Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2013-12-18 11:50 -0500
    Re: Merry Christmas ! "D.F. Manno" <dfmanno@mail.com> - 2013-12-18 18:03 -0500
      Re: Merry Christmas ! Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2013-12-18 19:11 -0500
        Re: Merry Christmas ! John <Man@the.keyboard> - 2013-12-19 01:55 +0000
          Re: Merry Christmas ! Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2013-12-21 00:24 -0500
            Re: Merry Christmas ! John <Man@the.keyboard> - 2013-12-21 07:48 +0000
              Re: Merry Christmas ! Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2013-12-22 13:20 -0500
      Re: Merry Christmas ! John <Man@the.keyboard> - 2013-12-19 01:09 +0000
        Re: Merry Christmas ! Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2013-12-18 18:13 -0700
          Re: Merry Christmas ! John <Man@the.keyboard> - 2013-12-19 01:43 +0000
            Re: Merry Christmas ! Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2013-12-18 19:45 -0700
              Re: Merry Christmas ! John <Man@the.keyboard> - 2013-12-19 20:46 +0000
                Re: Merry Christmas ! Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-12-20 12:36 +1300
                Re: Merry Christmas ! Tom Stiller <clusterfux.upmon@gmail.com> - 2013-12-20 01:15 +0000
                Re: Merry Christmas ! Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-12-20 19:14 +1300
                Re: Merry Christmas ! JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2013-12-20 02:53 -0500
                Re: Merry Christmas ! George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> - 2013-12-20 09:04 -0600
                Re: Merry Christmas ! Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2013-12-20 15:23 +0000
                Re: Merry Christmas ! George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> - 2013-12-21 11:11 -0600
                Re: Merry Christmas ! Wes Groleau <Usenet@Grolea.us> - 2013-12-20 21:52 -0500
                Re: Merry Christmas ! Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-12-21 06:07 +0000
                Re: Merry Christmas ! befr@eaglesoft.de (Bernd Fröhlich) - 2013-12-20 09:25 +0100
                Re: Merry Christmas ! Kurt Ullman <kurtullman@yahoo.com> - 2013-12-20 07:06 -0500
                Re: Merry Christmas ! Fred Moore <fmoore@gcfn.org> - 2013-12-20 13:23 -0500
                Re: Merry Christmas ! Tom Stiller <clusterfux.upmon@gmail.com> - 2013-12-21 04:14 +0000
                Re: Merry Christmas ! Kurt Ullman <kurtullman@yahoo.com> - 2013-12-21 07:13 -0500
                Re: Merry Christmas ! Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-12-24 09:20 +1300
                Re: Merry Christmas ! Tom Stiller <clusterfux.upmon@gmail.com> - 2013-12-23 22:58 +0000
              Re: Merry Christmas ! John <Man@the.keyboard> - 2013-12-19 20:55 +0000
                Re: Merry Christmas ! Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2013-12-19 20:43 -0700
          Re: Merry Christmas ! Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-12-19 15:15 +0000
            Re: Merry Christmas ! Jim Gibson <jimsgibson@gmail.com> - 2013-12-19 10:26 -0800
      Re: Merry Christmas ! Wes Groleau <Usenet@Grolea.us> - 2013-12-18 20:28 -0500
        Re: Merry Christmas ! John <Man@the.keyboard> - 2013-12-19 01:46 +0000
  Re: Merry Christmas ! Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2013-12-18 11:11 -0500
    Re: Merry Christmas ! George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> - 2013-12-18 11:37 -0600
    Re: Merry Christmas ! John <Man@the.keyboard> - 2013-12-19 00:37 +0000

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