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From Davoud <star@sky.net>
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Subject Re: iCloud Hacked Article
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Davoud:
> > The attack on Enigma was aided by misuse of keys, captured keys, and
> > re-used keys, and intimate knowledge of the workings of the machine. In
> > the same vein, we read certain Soviet messages in what came to be known
> > as the Venona project. If those OTP's had been used properly the
> > ciphers would never have been broken. As it was, it required years of
> > painstaking work.

Geoffrey S. Mendelson:
> True. However it started out because someone sitting at a desk looking
> at encrypted messages noticed there was a pattern, and that was used
> to exploit the errors, etc.

Yes, of course. But until and unless quantum computers become reality,
you are overly pessimistic about INFOSEC. Various cryptologic agencies
around the world know a number of ways to generate a cipher key that
cannot be recovered by a person sitting at a desk or by all of the
computers extant.

-- 
I agree with almost everything that you have said and almost everything that
you will say in your entire life.

usenet *at* davidillig dawt cawm

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iCloud Hacked Article Fred Moore <fmoore@gcfn.org> - 2012-08-06 17:46 -0400
  Re: iCloud Hacked Article Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2012-08-06 21:54 +0000
    Re: iCloud Hacked Article JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2012-08-06 20:33 -0400
      Re: iCloud Hacked Article JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2012-08-06 20:47 -0400
        Re: iCloud Hacked Article Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> - 2012-08-07 01:05 -0400
          Re: iCloud Hacked Article nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2012-08-07 01:26 -0400
            Re: iCloud Hacked Article Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2012-08-07 06:05 +0000
              Re: iCloud Hacked Article nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2012-08-07 02:20 -0400
          Re: iCloud Hacked Article "John Varela" <newlamps@verizon.net> - 2012-08-08 00:08 +0000
            Re: iCloud Hacked Article Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2012-08-07 20:40 -0400
      Re: iCloud Hacked Article dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2012-08-07 13:20 +1200
    Re: iCloud Hacked Article Fred Moore <fmoore@gcfn.org> - 2012-08-07 10:48 -0400
      Re: iCloud Hacked Article Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> - 2012-08-07 12:34 -0400
        Re: iCloud Hacked Article nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2012-08-07 12:58 -0400
          Re: iCloud Hacked Article Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> - 2012-08-08 14:30 -0400
            Re: iCloud Hacked Article MC <copespaz@mapca.inter.net> - 2012-08-08 17:18 -0400
        Re: iCloud Hacked Article Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2012-08-08 04:19 +0000
  Re: iCloud Hacked Article Wes Groleau <Groleau+news@FreeShell.org> - 2012-08-06 23:21 -0400
    Re: iCloud Hacked Article Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2012-08-07 04:49 +0000
      Re: iCloud Hacked Article Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> - 2012-08-07 01:15 -0400
        Re: iCloud Hacked Article Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2012-08-07 09:24 -0400
          Re: iCloud Hacked Article Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> - 2012-08-07 09:29 -0400
      Re: iCloud Hacked Article nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2012-08-07 01:26 -0400
        Re: iCloud Hacked Article Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2012-08-07 05:41 +0000
          Re: iCloud Hacked Article nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2012-08-07 02:11 -0400
            Re: iCloud Hacked Article Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2012-08-07 06:22 +0000
              Re: iCloud Hacked Article nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2012-08-07 02:31 -0400
          Re: iCloud Hacked Article Paul Sture <paul@sture.ch> - 2012-08-07 08:28 +0200
    Re: iCloud Hacked Article Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2012-08-07 09:19 -0400
      Re: iCloud Hacked Article Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> - 2012-08-07 09:30 -0400
      Re: iCloud Hacked Article Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2012-08-08 04:15 +0000
      Re: iCloud Hacked Article Tom Stiller <tom_stiller@yahoo.com> - 2012-08-08 08:11 -0400
    Re: iCloud Hacked Article David Lesher <wb8foz@panix.com> - 2012-08-07 18:26 +0000
  Re: iCloud Hacked Article Justin <justin@nobecauseihatespam.edu> - 2012-08-07 00:26 -0400
    Re: iCloud Hacked Article nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2012-08-07 00:31 -0400
      Re: iCloud Hacked Article Justin <justin@nobecauseihatespam.edu> - 2012-08-07 20:16 -0400
        Re: iCloud Hacked Article dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2012-08-08 12:28 +1200
          Re: iCloud Hacked Article Justin <justin@nobecauseihatespam.edu> - 2012-08-08 01:13 -0400
          Re: iCloud Hacked Article Paul Sture <paul@sture.ch> - 2012-08-08 11:16 +0200
            Re: iCloud Hacked Article Justin <justin@nobecauseihatespam.edu> - 2012-08-09 02:56 -0400
              Re: iCloud Hacked Article nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2012-08-09 09:46 -0400
                Re: iCloud Hacked Article Tom Stiller <tom_stiller@yahoo.com> - 2012-08-09 10:35 -0400
                Re: iCloud Hacked Article nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2012-08-09 12:41 -0400
                Re: iCloud Hacked Article Tom Stiller <tom_stiller@yahoo.com> - 2012-08-09 14:15 -0400
              Re: iCloud Hacked Article JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2012-08-09 14:57 -0400
                Re: iCloud Hacked Article nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2012-08-09 16:25 -0400
                Re: iCloud Hacked Article Wes Groleau <Groleau+news@FreeShell.org> - 2012-08-10 22:51 -0400
        Re: iCloud Hacked Article Larry Gusaas <larry.gusaas@gmail.com> - 2012-08-07 18:34 -0600
        Re: iCloud Hacked Article nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2012-08-07 20:41 -0400
          Re: iCloud Hacked Article Justin <justin@nobecauseihatespam.edu> - 2012-08-08 01:14 -0400
            Re: iCloud Hacked Article nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2012-08-08 01:49 -0400
        Re: iCloud Hacked Article Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2012-08-08 04:29 +0000
          Re: iCloud Hacked Article Justin <justin@nobecauseihatespam.edu> - 2012-08-08 01:14 -0400
            Re: iCloud Hacked Article Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2012-08-08 15:25 +0000
              Re: iCloud Hacked Article Justin <justin@nobecauseihatespam.edu> - 2012-08-09 02:57 -0400
    Re: iCloud Hacked Article Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2012-08-07 04:49 +0000
  Re: iCloud Hacked Article Jeff N <jeff+no.spam@jnadeau.com> - 2012-08-07 00:01 -0700
    Re: iCloud Hacked Article Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> - 2012-08-07 03:48 -0400
      Re: iCloud Hacked Article Paul Sture <paul@sture.ch> - 2012-08-07 20:49 +0200
        Re: iCloud Hacked Article nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2012-08-07 15:27 -0400
          Re: iCloud Hacked Article Paul Sture <paul@sture.ch> - 2012-08-07 21:52 +0200
          Re: iCloud Hacked Article J.J. O'Shea <try.not.to@but.see.sig> - 2012-08-07 17:33 -0400
            Re: iCloud Hacked Article George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> - 2012-08-07 16:44 -0500
            Re: iCloud Hacked Article Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2012-08-07 18:09 -0400
              Re: iCloud Hacked Article J.J. O'Shea <try.not.to@but.see.sig> - 2012-08-07 18:33 -0400
                Re: iCloud Hacked Article Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2012-08-07 19:26 -0400
                Re: iCloud Hacked Article George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> - 2012-08-07 19:19 -0500
                Re: iCloud Hacked Article J.J. O'Shea <try.not.to@but.see.sig> - 2012-08-07 21:07 -0400
                Re: iCloud Hacked Article Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2012-08-08 11:14 -0400
                Re: iCloud Hacked Article J.J. O'Shea <try.not.to@but.see.sig> - 2012-08-08 13:11 -0400
                Re: iCloud Hacked Article me@home.spamsucks.ca (Király) - 2012-08-09 04:56 +0000
                Re: iCloud Hacked Article "John Varela" <newlamps@verizon.net> - 2012-08-08 21:48 +0000
                Re: iCloud Hacked Article Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2012-08-08 17:50 -0400
                Re: iCloud Hacked Article JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2012-08-08 19:15 -0400
                Re: iCloud Hacked Article George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> - 2012-08-08 20:16 -0500
                Re: iCloud Hacked Article Wes Groleau <Groleau+news@FreeShell.org> - 2012-08-08 22:22 -0400
                Re: iCloud Hacked Article J.J. O'Shea <try.not.to@but.see.sig> - 2012-08-09 07:03 -0400
                Re: iCloud Hacked Article Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2012-08-09 10:57 -0400
                Re: iCloud Hacked Article Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2012-08-09 12:29 -0400
                Re: iCloud Hacked Article George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> - 2012-08-09 14:50 -0500
                Re: iCloud Hacked Article Wes Groleau <Groleau+news@FreeShell.org> - 2012-08-10 22:53 -0400
                Re: iCloud Hacked Article George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> - 2012-08-11 20:18 -0500
                Re: iCloud Hacked Article JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2012-08-11 21:44 -0400
                Re: iCloud Hacked Article Wes Groleau <Groleau+news@FreeShell.org> - 2012-08-11 23:35 -0400
                Re: iCloud Hacked Article J.J. O'Shea <try.not.to@but.see.sig> - 2012-08-09 19:00 -0400
              Re: iCloud Hacked Article Paul Sture <paul@sture.ch> - 2012-08-08 11:19 +0200
          Re: iCloud Hacked Article Wes Groleau <Groleau+news@FreeShell.org> - 2012-08-07 23:06 -0400
            Re: iCloud Hacked Article Paul Sture <paul@sture.ch> - 2012-08-08 11:26 +0200
              Re: iCloud Hacked Article "Geoffrey S. Mendelson" <gsm@mendelson.com> - 2012-08-08 10:59 +0000
              Re: iCloud Hacked Article JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2012-08-08 16:27 -0400
                Re: iCloud Hacked Article Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2012-08-08 17:29 -0400
                Re: iCloud Hacked Article Wes Groleau <Groleau+news@FreeShell.org> - 2012-08-08 22:25 -0400
                Re: iCloud Hacked Article Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2012-08-09 13:30 -0400
                Re: iCloud Hacked Article Fred Moore <fmoore@gcfn.org> - 2012-08-09 14:49 -0400
                Re: iCloud Hacked Article JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2012-08-09 15:05 -0400
                Re: iCloud Hacked Article Fred Moore <fmoore@gcfn.org> - 2012-08-09 15:55 -0400
                Re: iCloud Hacked Article George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> - 2012-08-09 14:53 -0500
                Re: iCloud Hacked Article Fred Moore <fmoore@gcfn.org> - 2012-08-09 20:30 -0400
                Re: iCloud Hacked Article Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2012-08-09 17:50 -0700
                Re: iCloud Hacked Article Fred Moore <fmoore@gcfn.org> - 2012-08-10 09:15 -0400
                Re: iCloud Hacked Article Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2012-08-10 10:18 -0400
                Re: iCloud Hacked Article Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2012-08-10 08:49 -0700
                Re: iCloud Hacked Article Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2012-08-10 10:50 -0400
                Re: iCloud Hacked Article Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2012-08-10 08:48 -0700
                Re: iCloud Hacked Article Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2012-08-10 12:21 -0400
                Re: iCloud Hacked Article Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2012-08-10 10:00 -0700
                Re: iCloud Hacked Article George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> - 2012-08-10 13:23 -0500
                Re: iCloud Hacked Article Wes Groleau <Groleau+news@FreeShell.org> - 2012-08-10 22:54 -0400
                Re: iCloud Hacked Article Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2012-08-12 20:14 -0400
    Re: iCloud Hacked Article Tom Stiller <tom_stiller@yahoo.com> - 2012-08-07 08:50 -0400
      Re: iCloud Hacked Article Paul Sture <paul@sture.ch> - 2012-08-07 20:55 +0200
        Re: iCloud Hacked Article Tom Stiller <tom_stiller@yahoo.com> - 2012-08-07 15:17 -0400
        Re: iCloud Hacked Article nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2012-08-07 15:27 -0400
        Re: iCloud Hacked Article Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2012-08-08 04:28 +0000
          Re: iCloud Hacked Article Paul Sture <paul@sture.ch> - 2012-08-08 11:39 +0200
            Re: iCloud Hacked Article Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2012-08-08 10:44 -0400
              Re: iCloud Hacked Article "Geoffrey S. Mendelson" <gsm@mendelson.com> - 2012-08-08 14:59 +0000
                Re: iCloud Hacked Article Richard Kettlewell <rjk@greenend.org.uk> - 2012-08-09 10:50 +0100
              Re: iCloud Hacked Article Michael Vilain <vilain@NOspamcop.net> - 2012-08-08 17:40 -0700
                Re: iCloud Hacked Article Jim Janney <jjanney@shell.xmission.com> - 2012-08-09 07:55 -0600
                Re: iCloud Hacked Article Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2012-08-09 10:40 -0400
            Re: iCloud Hacked Article Fred Moore <fmoore@gcfn.org> - 2012-08-08 11:15 -0400
              Re: iCloud Hacked Article Fred Moore <fmoore@gcfn.org> - 2012-08-08 11:42 -0400
            Re: iCloud Hacked Article Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2012-08-08 15:19 +0000
              Re: iCloud Hacked Article "Geoffrey S. Mendelson" <gsm@mendelson.com> - 2012-08-08 15:44 +0000
                Re: iCloud Hacked Article Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2012-08-08 18:36 -0400
                Re: iCloud Hacked Article JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2012-08-08 19:21 -0400
                Re: iCloud Hacked Article Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2012-08-08 21:09 -0400
                Re: iCloud Hacked Article "Geoffrey S. Mendelson" <gsm@mendelson.com> - 2012-08-09 05:34 +0000
                Re: iCloud Hacked Article Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2012-08-09 10:45 -0400
                Re: iCloud Hacked Article "Geoffrey S. Mendelson" <gsm@mendelson.com> - 2012-08-09 17:39 +0000
                Re: iCloud Hacked Article Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2012-08-09 11:12 -0400
                Re: iCloud Hacked Article Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2012-08-10 01:08 +0000
    Re: iCloud Hacked Article Wes Groleau <Groleau+news@FreeShell.org> - 2012-08-07 22:59 -0400
      Re: iCloud Hacked Article Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2012-08-08 04:31 +0000

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