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| Started by | Oldman <oldman@nowhere.com> |
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| First post | 2018-10-22 15:35 -0500 |
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Thoth okay with Mojave? Oldman <oldman@nowhere.com> - 2018-10-22 15:35 -0500
Re: Thoth okay with Mojave? Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2018-10-23 13:38 +1300
Re: Thoth okay with Mojave? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-10-22 21:00 -0400
Re: Thoth okay with Mojave? Oldman <oldman@nowhere.com> - 2018-10-22 20:03 -0500
Re: Thoth okay with Mojave? Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2018-10-23 18:27 +1300
Re: Thoth okay with Mojave? Mallocy <null@mail.mn> - 2018-10-23 08:07 +0000
Re: Thoth okay with Mojave? Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2018-10-24 13:46 +1300
Re: Thoth okay with Mojave? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-10-23 20:48 -0400
Re: Thoth okay with Mojave? nmassello@yahoo.com (Neill Massello) - 2018-10-24 03:09 -0600
Re: Thoth okay with Mojave? Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2018-10-27 19:28 +1300
Re: Thoth okay with Mojave? Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2018-10-27 09:32 +0100
Re: Thoth okay with Mojave? Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2018-10-28 09:12 +1300
Re: Thoth okay with Mojave? Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2018-10-27 21:18 +0100
Re: Thoth okay with Mojave? Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2018-10-28 18:20 +1300
Re: Thoth okay with Mojave? Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2018-10-28 08:31 +0100
Re: Thoth okay with Mojave? Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2018-11-02 13:10 +1300
Re: Thoth okay with Mojave? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-10-23 08:00 -0400
Re: Thoth okay with Mojave? Chris Ridd <chrisridd@mac.com> - 2018-10-23 19:10 +0100
Re: Thoth okay with Mojave? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-10-23 14:16 -0400
Re: Thoth okay with Mojave? dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2018-10-24 10:07 +1300
| From | Oldman <oldman@nowhere.com> |
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| Date | 2018-10-22 15:35 -0500 |
| Subject | Thoth okay with Mojave? |
| Message-ID | <221020181535079608%oldman@nowhere.com> |
Anybody know if Thoth keeps on ticking with Mojave? -- ----------- oldman
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| From | Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> |
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| Date | 2018-10-23 13:38 +1300 |
| Message-ID | <pqlqh8$1jvf$1@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #6679 |
On 2018-10-22 20:35:07 +0000, Oldman said: > Anybody know if Thoth keeps on ticking with Mojave? Not sure. According to this webpage <https://roaringapps.com/app/thoth> it works with Sierra, so *should* work with High Sierra and probably Mojave as well ... but it's almost certainly won't work with the next version of macOS (unless Apple changes its plans again). When I tried Thoth with Sierra it seemed horribly buggy, but maybe I didn't have the then very newest, and last, version.
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| From | nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> |
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| Date | 2018-10-22 21:00 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <221020182100395206%nospam@nospam.invalid> |
| In reply to | #6680 |
In article <pqlqh8$1jvf$1@gioia.aioe.org>, Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote: > > Anybody know if Thoth keeps on ticking with Mojave? > > Not sure. According to this webpage <https://roaringapps.com/app/thoth> > it works with Sierra, so *should* work with High Sierra and probably > Mojave as well ... but it's almost certainly won't work with the next > version of macOS (unless Apple changes its plans again). apple is not going to suddenly start supporting 32 bit apps. > When I tried Thoth with Sierra it seemed horribly buggy, but maybe I > didn't have the then very newest, and last, version. thoth works perfectly fine in sierra. i haven't tried it in mojave but there is little reason why it won't continue to work. post-mojave, it will not work, nor any other 32 bit app, although one could run an earlier version of macos in a vm and use it that way.
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| From | Oldman <oldman@nowhere.com> |
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| Date | 2018-10-22 20:03 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <221020182003517095%oldman@nowhere.com> |
| In reply to | #6681 |
In article <221020182100395206%nospam@nospam.invalid>, nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote: > In article <pqlqh8$1jvf$1@gioia.aioe.org>, Your Name > <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote: > > > > Anybody know if Thoth keeps on ticking with Mojave? > > > > Not sure. According to this webpage <https://roaringapps.com/app/thoth> > > it works with Sierra, so *should* work with High Sierra and probably > > Mojave as well ... but it's almost certainly won't work with the next > > version of macOS (unless Apple changes its plans again). > > apple is not going to suddenly start supporting 32 bit apps. > > > When I tried Thoth with Sierra it seemed horribly buggy, but maybe I > > didn't have the then very newest, and last, version. > > thoth works perfectly fine in sierra. i haven't tried it in mojave but > there is little reason why it won't continue to work. > > post-mojave, it will not work, nor any other 32 bit app, although one > could run an earlier version of macos in a vm and use it that way. Thanks for the responses. -- ----------- oldman
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| From | Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> |
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| Date | 2018-10-23 18:27 +1300 |
| Message-ID | <pqmbgt$9g7$1@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #6682 |
On 2018-10-23 01:03:51 +0000, Oldman said: > In article <221020182100395206%nospam@nospam.invalid>, nospam > <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote: > >> In article <pqlqh8$1jvf$1@gioia.aioe.org>, Your Name >> <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote: >> >>>> Anybody know if Thoth keeps on ticking with Mojave? >>> >>> Not sure. According to this webpage <https://roaringapps.com/app/thoth> >>> it works with Sierra, so *should* work with High Sierra and probably >>> Mojave as well ... but it's almost certainly won't work with the next >>> version of macOS (unless Apple changes its plans again). >> >> apple is not going to suddenly start supporting 32 bit apps. Apple has already shifted the deadline once (High Sierra was meant to be the *last* to run 32bit apps, now Mojave can, albeit with "compromises"). They may or may not decide to move the goalposts again. It partly depends if enough developers make the changeover ... if no developers had bothered, then Apple would have had to extend the deadline, whether they like it or not because there wouldn't be any apps to use (other than Apple's own apps). >>> When I tried Thoth with Sierra it seemed horribly buggy, but maybe I >>> didn't have the then very newest, and last, version. >> >> thoth works perfectly fine in sierra. i haven't tried it in mojave but >> there is little reason why it won't continue to work. >> >> post-mojave, it will not work, nor any other 32 bit app, although one >> could run an earlier version of macos in a vm and use it that way. > > Thanks for the responses. According to Apple, High Sierra was the last version of macOS to run 32bit apps "with compromise" ... what exactly the "compromise" is when it comes to running 32bit apps in Mojave will probably depend on a few factors, including individual apps themselves. Best bet is to simply try it and see. If it works (or works well enough for your needs), then great. If it doesn't work, then you haven't lost anything other than a bit of your time trying it. The only problem is if you're asking BEFORE upgrading to Mojave. Then you will need someone who has already tried it to reply to this topic.
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| From | Mallocy <null@mail.mn> |
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| Date | 2018-10-23 08:07 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <OEAzD.176446$8g.37672@usenetxs.com> |
| In reply to | #6683 |
On 2018-10-23, Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote: > On 2018-10-23 01:03:51 +0000, Oldman said: > >> In article <221020182100395206%nospam@nospam.invalid>, nospam >> <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote: >> >>> In article <pqlqh8$1jvf$1@gioia.aioe.org>, Your Name >>> <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote: >>> >>>>> Anybody know if Thoth keeps on ticking with Mojave? >>>> >>>> Not sure. According to this webpage <https://roaringapps.com/app/thoth> >>>> it works with Sierra, so *should* work with High Sierra and probably >>>> Mojave as well ... but it's almost certainly won't work with the next >>>> version of macOS (unless Apple changes its plans again). >>> >>> apple is not going to suddenly start supporting 32 bit apps. > > Apple has already shifted the deadline once (High Sierra was meant to > be the *last* to run 32bit apps, now Mojave can, albeit with > "compromises"). They may or may not decide to move the goalposts again. > It partly depends if enough developers make the changeover ... if no > developers had bothered, then Apple would have had to extend the > deadline, whether they like it or not because there wouldn't be any > apps to use (other than Apple's own apps). > > > >>>> When I tried Thoth with Sierra it seemed horribly buggy, but maybe I >>>> didn't have the then very newest, and last, version. >>> >>> thoth works perfectly fine in sierra. i haven't tried it in mojave but >>> there is little reason why it won't continue to work. >>> >>> post-mojave, it will not work, nor any other 32 bit app, although one >>> could run an earlier version of macos in a vm and use it that way. >> >> Thanks for the responses. > > According to Apple, High Sierra was the last version of macOS to run > 32bit apps "with compromise" ... what exactly the "compromise" is when > it comes to running 32bit apps in Mojave will probably depend on a few > factors, including individual apps themselves. > > Best bet is to simply try it and see. If it works (or works well enough > for your needs), then great. If it doesn't work, then you haven't lost > anything other than a bit of your time trying it. > > The only problem is if you're asking BEFORE upgrading to Mojave. Then > you will need someone who has already tried it to reply to this topic. > > Best is to install Mojave on an external disk and test all your apps there
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| From | Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> |
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| Date | 2018-10-24 13:46 +1300 |
| Message-ID | <pqofdu$1tsj$1@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #6684 |
On 2018-10-23 08:07:10 +0000, Mallocy said: > On 2018-10-23, Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote: >> On 2018-10-23 01:03:51 +0000, Oldman said: >>> In article <221020182100395206%nospam@nospam.invalid>, nospam >>> <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote: >>>> In article <pqlqh8$1jvf$1@gioia.aioe.org>, Your Name >>>> <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Anybody know if Thoth keeps on ticking with Mojave? >>>>> >>>>> Not sure. According to this webpage <https://roaringapps.com/app/thoth> >>>>> it works with Sierra, so *should* work with High Sierra and probably >>>>> Mojave as well ... but it's almost certainly won't work with the next >>>>> version of macOS (unless Apple changes its plans again). >>>> >>>> apple is not going to suddenly start supporting 32 bit apps. >> >> Apple has already shifted the deadline once (High Sierra was meant to >> be the *last* to run 32bit apps, now Mojave can, albeit with >> "compromises"). They may or may not decide to move the goalposts again. >> It partly depends if enough developers make the changeover ... if no >> developers had bothered, then Apple would have had to extend the >> deadline, whether they like it or not because there wouldn't be any >> apps to use (other than Apple's own apps). >> >> >> >>>>> When I tried Thoth with Sierra it seemed horribly buggy, but maybe I >>>>> didn't have the then very newest, and last, version. >>>> >>>> thoth works perfectly fine in sierra. i haven't tried it in mojave but >>>> there is little reason why it won't continue to work. >>>> >>>> post-mojave, it will not work, nor any other 32 bit app, although one >>>> could run an earlier version of macos in a vm and use it that way. >>> >>> Thanks for the responses. >> >> According to Apple, High Sierra was the last version of macOS to run >> 32bit apps "with compromise" ... what exactly the "compromise" is when >> it comes to running 32bit apps in Mojave will probably depend on a few >> factors, including individual apps themselves. >> >> Best bet is to simply try it and see. If it works (or works well enough >> for your needs), then great. If it doesn't work, then you haven't lost >> anything other than a bit of your time trying it. >> >> The only problem is if you're asking BEFORE upgrading to Mojave. Then >> you will need someone who has already tried it to reply to this topic. > > Best is to install Mojave on an external disk and test all your apps there Yep, as long as you have a spare drive. Despite claims, they aren't actually that cheap - although the capacity does keep increasing for the same price.
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| From | nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> |
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| Date | 2018-10-23 20:48 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <231020182048477142%nospam@nospam.invalid> |
| In reply to | #6689 |
In article <pqofdu$1tsj$1@gioia.aioe.org>, Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote: > > Best is to install Mojave on an external disk and test all your apps there > > Yep, as long as you have a spare drive. Despite claims, they aren't > actually that cheap yes they are. > - although the capacity does keep increasing for > the same price. that part is true.
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| From | nmassello@yahoo.com (Neill Massello) |
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| Date | 2018-10-24 03:09 -0600 |
| Message-ID | <1nx5n3s.1fg7cls1sazsmaN%nmassello@yahoo.com> |
| In reply to | #6689 |
Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote: > Yep, as long as you have a spare drive. Despite claims, they aren't > actually that cheap - although the capacity does keep increasing for > the same price. You can now get a 1TB HDD or a 256GB SSD for $50. Consider the following: <https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820167429> <https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=1B4-006X-00029>
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| From | Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> |
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| Date | 2018-10-27 19:28 +1300 |
| Message-ID | <pr10hi$1kde$1@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #6691 |
On 2018-10-24 09:09:08 +0000, Neill Massello said: > Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote: >> >> Yep, as long as you have a spare drive. Despite claims, they aren't >> actually that cheap - although the capacity does keep increasing for >> the same price. > > You can now get a 1TB HDD or a 256GB SSD for $50. Consider the > following: > > <https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820167429> > > <https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=1B4-006X-00029> I know most people seem to have little sense when it comes to spending mony, but US$50 is still relatively expensive, especially if it's for something that will be a one-use wonder just to test a new OS installation and then sit there gathering dust. There are a lot more important things to spend the money on than that.
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| From | Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> |
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| Date | 2018-10-27 09:32 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <271020180932536443%timstreater@greenbee.net> |
| In reply to | #6693 |
In article <pr10hi$1kde$1@gioia.aioe.org>, Your Name
<YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:
>On 2018-10-24 09:09:08 +0000, Neill Massello said:
>> Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Yep, as long as you have a spare drive. Despite claims, they aren't
>>> actually that cheap - although the capacity does keep increasing for
>>> the same price.
>>
>> You can now get a 1TB HDD or a 256GB SSD for $50. Consider the
>> following:
>>
>> <https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820167429>
>>
>> <https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=1B4-006X-00029>
>
>I know most people seem to have little sense when it comes to spending
>mony, but US$50 is still relatively expensive, especially if it's for
>something that will be a one-use wonder just to test a new OS
>installation and then sit there gathering dust. There are a lot more
>important things to spend the money on than that.
You can then use it as a second Time Machine disk.
--
"I love the way that Microsoft follows standards.
In much the same manner as fish follow migrating caribou."
- Paul Tomblin, ASR
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| From | Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> |
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| Date | 2018-10-28 09:12 +1300 |
| Message-ID | <pr2grm$4sb$1@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #6695 |
On 2018-10-27 08:32:53 +0000, Tim Streater said: > In article <pr10hi$1kde$1@gioia.aioe.org>, Your Name > <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote: >> On 2018-10-24 09:09:08 +0000, Neill Massello said: >>> Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> Yep, as long as you have a spare drive. Despite claims, they aren't >>>> actually that cheap - although the capacity does keep increasing for >>>> the same price. >>> >>> You can now get a 1TB HDD or a 256GB SSD for $50. Consider the >>> following: >>> >>> <https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820167429> >>> >>> <https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=1B4-006X-00029> >> >> I know most people seem to have little sense when it comes to spending >> mony, but US$50 is still relatively expensive, especially if it's for >> something that will be a one-use wonder just to test a new OS >> installation and then sit there gathering dust. There are a lot more >> important things to spend the money on than that. > > You can then use it as a second Time Machine disk. Why not buy 100 external drives and use them all as extra backup drives? Still doesn't alter the fact that $50 is relatively a lot of money for something you don't really *need*. :-\
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| From | Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> |
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| Date | 2018-10-27 21:18 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <271020182118326883%timstreater@greenbee.net> |
| In reply to | #6696 |
In article <pr2grm$4sb$1@gioia.aioe.org>, Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote: >On 2018-10-27 08:32:53 +0000, Tim Streater said: >> In article <pr10hi$1kde$1@gioia.aioe.org>, Your Name >> <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote: >>> On 2018-10-24 09:09:08 +0000, Neill Massello said: >>>> Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Yep, as long as you have a spare drive. Despite claims, they aren't >>>>> actually that cheap - although the capacity does keep increasing for >>>>> the same price. >>>> >>>> You can now get a 1TB HDD or a 256GB SSD for $50. Consider the >>>> following: >>>> >>>> <https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820167429> >>>> >>>> <https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=1B4-006X-00029> >>> >>> I know most people seem to have little sense when it comes to spending >>> mony, but US$50 is still relatively expensive, especially if it's for >>> something that will be a one-use wonder just to test a new OS >>> installation and then sit there gathering dust. There are a lot more >>> important things to spend the money on than that. >> >> You can then use it as a second Time Machine disk. > >Why not buy 100 external drives and use them all as extra backup >drives? That would cost $5000. >Still doesn't alter the fact that $50 is relatively a lot of >money for something you don't really *need*. :-\ So you're saying you already have two backup drives (or more)? -- Socialism only works in two places: Heaven where they don't need it, and Hell where they already have it. Ronald Reagan
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| From | Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> |
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| Date | 2018-10-28 18:20 +1300 |
| Message-ID | <pr3guk$1eq6$1@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #6697 |
On 2018-10-27 20:18:32 +0000, Tim Streater said: > In article <pr2grm$4sb$1@gioia.aioe.org>, Your Name > <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote: >> On 2018-10-27 08:32:53 +0000, Tim Streater said: >>> In article <pr10hi$1kde$1@gioia.aioe.org>, Your Name >>> <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote: >>>> On 2018-10-24 09:09:08 +0000, Neill Massello said: >>>>> Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Yep, as long as you have a spare drive. Despite claims, they aren't >>>>>> actually that cheap - although the capacity does keep increasing for >>>>>> the same price. >>>>> >>>>> You can now get a 1TB HDD or a 256GB SSD for $50. Consider the >>>>> following: >>>>> >>>>> <https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820167429> >>>>> >>>>> <https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=1B4-006X-00029> >>>> >>>> I know most people seem to have little sense when it comes to spending >>>> mony, but US$50 is still relatively expensive, especially if it's for >>>> something that will be a one-use wonder just to test a new OS >>>> installation and then sit there gathering dust. There are a lot more >>>> important things to spend the money on than that. >>> >>> You can then use it as a second Time Machine disk. >> >> Why not buy 100 external drives and use them all as extra backup drives? > > That would cost $5000. > >> Still doesn't alter the fact that $50 is relatively a lot of money for >> something you don't really *need*. :-\ > > So you're saying you already have two backup drives (or more)? No, I'm saying $50 is still relatively quite a bit of money. I could use it to buy one of the needed replacement boot struts for my car, for example. Personally I already have multiple backup drives. One is used by Carbon Copy Cloner to backup the entire internal drive, another old smaller capacity one syncs certain folders when I can be bother plugging it in, plus a couple of USB keyring drives to also sync certain folders. But none of those drives were bought simply to test a new version of the macOS. They were bought for other necessary reasons.
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| From | Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> |
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| Date | 2018-10-28 08:31 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <281020180831335806%timstreater@greenbee.net> |
| In reply to | #6699 |
In article <pr3guk$1eq6$1@gioia.aioe.org>, Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote: >On 2018-10-27 20:18:32 +0000, Tim Streater said: >> So you're saying you already have two backup drives (or more)? > >No ... >Personally I already have multiple backup drives. Make your mind up, would you. >One is used by Carbon Copy Cloner to backup the entire internal drive, >another old smaller capacity one syncs certain folders when I can be >bother plugging it in So repurpose it temporarily for testing and then redo the backup. -- "People don't buy Microsoft for quality, they buy it for compatibility with what Bob in accounting bought last year. Trace it back - they buy Microsoft because the IBM Selectric didn't suck much" - P Seebach, afc
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| From | Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> |
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| Date | 2018-11-02 13:10 +1300 |
| Message-ID | <prg4lt$1vu5$1@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #6702 |
On 2018-10-28 07:31:33 +0000, Tim Streater said: > In article <pr3guk$1eq6$1@gioia.aioe.org>, Your Name > <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote: >> On 2018-10-27 20:18:32 +0000, Tim Streater said: >>> >>> So you're saying you already have two backup drives (or more)? >> >> No ... >> >> Personally I already have multiple backup drives. > > Make your mind up, would you. > >> One is used by Carbon Copy Cloner to backup the entire internal drive, >> another old smaller capacity one syncs certain folders when I can be >> bother plugging it in > > So repurpose it temporarily for testing and then redo the backup. I don't know who put a wasp in your panties, but I wasn't the one upgrading to Mojave. :-\ I simply said US$50 is still quite a bit of money for something that will only be needed for a quick one-off use.
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| From | nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> |
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| Date | 2018-10-23 08:00 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <231020180800199473%nospam@nospam.invalid> |
| In reply to | #6683 |
In article <pqmbgt$9g7$1@gioia.aioe.org>, Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote: > >>>> Anybody know if Thoth keeps on ticking with Mojave? > >>> > >>> Not sure. According to this webpage <https://roaringapps.com/app/thoth> > >>> it works with Sierra, so *should* work with High Sierra and probably > >>> Mojave as well ... but it's almost certainly won't work with the next > >>> version of macOS (unless Apple changes its plans again). > >> > >> apple is not going to suddenly start supporting 32 bit apps. > > Apple has already shifted the deadline once (High Sierra was meant to > be the *last* to run 32bit apps, now Mojave can, albeit with > "compromises"). nope. high sierra was never going to be the last one to run 32 bit apps. > They may or may not decide to move the goalposts again. > It partly depends if enough developers make the changeover ... if no > developers had bothered, then Apple would have had to extend the > deadline, whether they like it or not because there wouldn't be any > apps to use (other than Apple's own apps). nope. apple hasn't moved anything nor will they be changing anything. mojave is the last version of macos that will natively run 32 bit apps. period. one option is to run an earlier version of macos in a virtual machine and run 32 bit apps that way. > >>> When I tried Thoth with Sierra it seemed horribly buggy, but maybe I > >>> didn't have the then very newest, and last, version. > >> > >> thoth works perfectly fine in sierra. i haven't tried it in mojave but > >> there is little reason why it won't continue to work. > >> > >> post-mojave, it will not work, nor any other 32 bit app, although one > >> could run an earlier version of macos in a vm and use it that way. > > > > Thanks for the responses. > > According to Apple, High Sierra was the last version of macOS to run > 32bit apps "with compromise" ... you're contradicting yourself. first you said high sierra would be the last, now you say 'with compromise'. > what exactly the "compromise" is when > it comes to running 32bit apps in Mojave will probably depend on a few > factors, including individual apps themselves. nope. > Best bet is to simply try it and see. If it works (or works well enough > for your needs), then great. If it doesn't work, then you haven't lost > anything other than a bit of your time trying it. > > The only problem is if you're asking BEFORE upgrading to Mojave. Then > you will need someone who has already tried it to reply to this topic. which is obviously not you.
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| From | Chris Ridd <chrisridd@mac.com> |
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| Date | 2018-10-23 19:10 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <pqno7b$o3a$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #6683 |
On 23/10/2018 06:27, Your Name wrote: > On 2018-10-23 01:03:51 +0000, Oldman said: > >> In article <221020182100395206%nospam@nospam.invalid>, nospam >> <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote: >> >>> In article <pqlqh8$1jvf$1@gioia.aioe.org>, Your Name >>> <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote: >>> >>>>> Anybody know if Thoth keeps on ticking with Mojave? >>>> >>>> Not sure. According to this webpage <https://roaringapps.com/app/thoth> >>>> it works with Sierra, so *should* work with High Sierra and probably >>>> Mojave as well ... but it's almost certainly won't work with the next >>>> version of macOS (unless Apple changes its plans again). >>> >>> apple is not going to suddenly start supporting 32 bit apps. > > Apple has already shifted the deadline once (High Sierra was meant to be > the *last* to run 32bit apps, now Mojave can, albeit with > "compromises"). They may or may not decide to move the goalposts again. > It partly depends if enough developers make the changeover ... if no > developers had bothered, then Apple would have had to extend the > deadline, whether they like it or not because there wouldn't be any apps > to use (other than Apple's own apps). I suspect they'll keep this deadline, as so much nowadays is 64-bit and if a few apps that aren't getting maintained miss the boat... tough. > According to Apple, High Sierra was the last version of macOS to run > 32bit apps "with compromise" ... what exactly the "compromise" is when > it comes to running 32bit apps in Mojave will probably depend on a few > factors, including individual apps themselves. The compromise is likely that the 32-bit APIs weren't as well tested. There could be bugs that don't exist in the 64-bit APIs. Other compromises could be that new APIs may not even have 32-bit versions. -- Chris
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| From | nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> |
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| Date | 2018-10-23 14:16 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <231020181416576465%nospam@nospam.invalid> |
| In reply to | #6686 |
In article <pqno7b$o3a$1@dont-email.me>, Chris Ridd <chrisridd@mac.com> wrote: > >>>> Not sure. According to this webpage <https://roaringapps.com/app/thoth> > >>>> it works with Sierra, so *should* work with High Sierra and probably > >>>> Mojave as well ... but it's almost certainly won't work with the next > >>>> version of macOS (unless Apple changes its plans again). > >>> > >>> apple is not going to suddenly start supporting 32 bit apps. > > > > Apple has already shifted the deadline once (High Sierra was meant to be > > the *last* to run 32bit apps, now Mojave can, albeit with > > "compromises"). They may or may not decide to move the goalposts again. > > It partly depends if enough developers make the changeover ... if no > > developers had bothered, then Apple would have had to extend the > > deadline, whether they like it or not because there wouldn't be any apps > > to use (other than Apple's own apps). > > I suspect they'll keep this deadline, as so much nowadays is 64-bit and > if a few apps that aren't getting maintained miss the boat... tough. they aren't going to change it and the claim that they shifted the deadline is complete rubbish. > > According to Apple, High Sierra was the last version of macOS to run > > 32bit apps "with compromise" ... what exactly the "compromise" is when > > it comes to running 32bit apps in Mojave will probably depend on a few > > factors, including individual apps themselves. > > The compromise is likely that the 32-bit APIs weren't as well tested. the compromise are the warnings that the apps won't work in future versions. > There could be bugs that don't exist in the 64-bit APIs. Other > compromises could be that new APIs may not even have 32-bit versions. there never was a 64 bit carbon.
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| From | dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) |
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| Date | 2018-10-24 10:07 +1300 |
| Message-ID | <1nx663y.106lgxisbl5zgN%dempson@actrix.gen.nz> |
| In reply to | #6683 |
Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote: > On 2018-10-23 01:03:51 +0000, Oldman said: > > > In article <221020182100395206%nospam@nospam.invalid>, nospam > > <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote: > > > >> In article <pqlqh8$1jvf$1@gioia.aioe.org>, Your Name > >> <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote: > >> > >>>> Anybody know if Thoth keeps on ticking with Mojave? > >>> > >>> Not sure. According to this webpage <https://roaringapps.com/app/thoth> > >>> it works with Sierra, so *should* work with High Sierra and probably > >>> Mojave as well ... but it's almost certainly won't work with the next > >>> version of macOS (unless Apple changes its plans again). > >> > >> apple is not going to suddenly start supporting 32 bit apps. > > Apple has already shifted the deadline once (High Sierra was meant to > be the *last* to run 32bit apps, now Mojave can, albeit with > "compromises"). You have that wrong. When Apple announced the coming end of support for 32-bit applications at WWDC 2017, they said that High Sierra would be the last version that would run 32-bit applications without compromise, and the version after High Sierra (at that point unnamed) would be the last version to run 32-bit applications at all. The announcement at WWDC 2018 repeated the same information. Earlier WWDCs or public statements made no mention of ending 32-bit application support. There has not been a change in policy. If you want to confirm this for yourself, the relevant announcements were in the "Platforms State of the Union" addresses. WWDC 2017: https://developer.apple.com/videos/play/wwdc2017/102 WWDC 2018: https://developer.apple.com/videos/play/wwdc2018/102/ In each case, see the transcript and search for 32-bit: there is a link to the relevant point in the video. > According to Apple, High Sierra was the last version of macOS to run > 32bit apps "with compromise" Nope. High Sierra was the last version that would run 32-bit applications "without compromise". -- David Empson dempson@actrix.gen.nz
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