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  Thoth okay with Mojave? Oldman <oldman@nowhere.com> - 2018-10-22 15:35 -0500
    Re: Thoth okay with Mojave? Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2018-10-23 13:38 +1300
      Re: Thoth okay with Mojave? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-10-22 21:00 -0400
        Re: Thoth okay with Mojave? Oldman <oldman@nowhere.com> - 2018-10-22 20:03 -0500
          Re: Thoth okay with Mojave? Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2018-10-23 18:27 +1300
            Re: Thoth okay with Mojave? Mallocy <null@mail.mn> - 2018-10-23 08:07 +0000
              Re: Thoth okay with Mojave? Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2018-10-24 13:46 +1300
                Re: Thoth okay with Mojave? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-10-23 20:48 -0400
                Re: Thoth okay with Mojave? nmassello@yahoo.com (Neill Massello) - 2018-10-24 03:09 -0600
                  Re: Thoth okay with Mojave? Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2018-10-27 19:28 +1300
                    Re: Thoth okay with Mojave? Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2018-10-27 09:32 +0100
                      Re: Thoth okay with Mojave? Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2018-10-28 09:12 +1300
                        Re: Thoth okay with Mojave? Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2018-10-27 21:18 +0100
                          Re: Thoth okay with Mojave? Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2018-10-28 18:20 +1300
                            Re: Thoth okay with Mojave? Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2018-10-28 08:31 +0100
                              Re: Thoth okay with Mojave? Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2018-11-02 13:10 +1300
            Re: Thoth okay with Mojave? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-10-23 08:00 -0400
            Re: Thoth okay with Mojave? Chris Ridd <chrisridd@mac.com> - 2018-10-23 19:10 +0100
              Re: Thoth okay with Mojave? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-10-23 14:16 -0400
            Re: Thoth okay with Mojave? dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2018-10-24 10:07 +1300

#6679 — Thoth okay with Mojave?

Anybody know if Thoth keeps on ticking with Mojave?

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#6680

On 2018-10-22 20:35:07 +0000, Oldman said:

> Anybody know if Thoth keeps on ticking with Mojave?

Not sure. According to this webpage <https://roaringapps.com/app/thoth>
it works with Sierra, so *should* work with High Sierra and probably 
Mojave as well ... but it's almost certainly won't work with the next 
version of macOS (unless Apple changes its plans again).

When I tried Thoth with Sierra it seemed horribly buggy, but maybe I 
didn't have the then very newest, and last, version.

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#6681

In article <pqlqh8$1jvf$1@gioia.aioe.org>, Your Name
<YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:

> > Anybody know if Thoth keeps on ticking with Mojave?
> 
> Not sure. According to this webpage <https://roaringapps.com/app/thoth>
> it works with Sierra, so *should* work with High Sierra and probably 
> Mojave as well ... but it's almost certainly won't work with the next 
> version of macOS (unless Apple changes its plans again).

apple is not going to suddenly start supporting 32 bit apps.

> When I tried Thoth with Sierra it seemed horribly buggy, but maybe I 
> didn't have the then very newest, and last, version.

thoth works perfectly fine in sierra. i haven't tried it in mojave but
there is little reason why it won't continue to work.

post-mojave, it will not work, nor any other 32 bit app, although one
could run an earlier version of macos in a vm and use it that way.

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#6682

In article <221020182100395206%nospam@nospam.invalid>, nospam
<nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:

> In article <pqlqh8$1jvf$1@gioia.aioe.org>, Your Name
> <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:
> 
> > > Anybody know if Thoth keeps on ticking with Mojave?
> > 
> > Not sure. According to this webpage <https://roaringapps.com/app/thoth>
> > it works with Sierra, so *should* work with High Sierra and probably 
> > Mojave as well ... but it's almost certainly won't work with the next 
> > version of macOS (unless Apple changes its plans again).
> 
> apple is not going to suddenly start supporting 32 bit apps.
> 
> > When I tried Thoth with Sierra it seemed horribly buggy, but maybe I 
> > didn't have the then very newest, and last, version.
> 
> thoth works perfectly fine in sierra. i haven't tried it in mojave but
> there is little reason why it won't continue to work.
> 
> post-mojave, it will not work, nor any other 32 bit app, although one
> could run an earlier version of macos in a vm and use it that way.

Thanks for the responses.

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#6683

On 2018-10-23 01:03:51 +0000, Oldman said:

> In article <221020182100395206%nospam@nospam.invalid>, nospam
> <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
> 
>> In article <pqlqh8$1jvf$1@gioia.aioe.org>, Your Name
>> <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:
>> 
>>>> Anybody know if Thoth keeps on ticking with Mojave?
>>> 
>>> Not sure. According to this webpage <https://roaringapps.com/app/thoth>
>>> it works with Sierra, so *should* work with High Sierra and probably
>>> Mojave as well ... but it's almost certainly won't work with the next
>>> version of macOS (unless Apple changes its plans again).
>> 
>> apple is not going to suddenly start supporting 32 bit apps.

Apple has already shifted the deadline once (High Sierra was meant to 
be the *last* to run 32bit apps, now Mojave can, albeit with 
"compromises"). They may or may not decide to move the goalposts again. 
It partly depends if enough developers make the changeover ... if no 
developers had bothered, then Apple would have had to extend the 
deadline, whether they like it or not because there wouldn't be any 
apps to use (other than Apple's own apps).



>>> When I tried Thoth with Sierra it seemed horribly buggy, but maybe I
>>> didn't have the then very newest, and last, version.
>> 
>> thoth works perfectly fine in sierra. i haven't tried it in mojave but
>> there is little reason why it won't continue to work.
>> 
>> post-mojave, it will not work, nor any other 32 bit app, although one
>> could run an earlier version of macos in a vm and use it that way.
> 
> Thanks for the responses.

According to Apple, High Sierra was the last version of macOS to run 
32bit apps "with compromise" ... what exactly the "compromise" is when 
it comes to running 32bit apps in Mojave will probably depend on a few 
factors, including individual apps themselves.

Best bet is to simply try it and see. If it works (or works well enough 
for your needs), then great. If it doesn't work, then you haven't lost 
anything other than a bit of your time trying it.

The only problem is if you're asking BEFORE upgrading to Mojave. Then 
you will need someone who has already tried it to reply to this topic.

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#6684

On 2018-10-23, Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:
> On 2018-10-23 01:03:51 +0000, Oldman said:
>
>> In article <221020182100395206%nospam@nospam.invalid>, nospam
>> <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
>> 
>>> In article <pqlqh8$1jvf$1@gioia.aioe.org>, Your Name
>>> <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>>>> Anybody know if Thoth keeps on ticking with Mojave?
>>>> 
>>>> Not sure. According to this webpage <https://roaringapps.com/app/thoth>
>>>> it works with Sierra, so *should* work with High Sierra and probably
>>>> Mojave as well ... but it's almost certainly won't work with the next
>>>> version of macOS (unless Apple changes its plans again).
>>> 
>>> apple is not going to suddenly start supporting 32 bit apps.
>
> Apple has already shifted the deadline once (High Sierra was meant to 
> be the *last* to run 32bit apps, now Mojave can, albeit with 
> "compromises"). They may or may not decide to move the goalposts again. 
> It partly depends if enough developers make the changeover ... if no 
> developers had bothered, then Apple would have had to extend the 
> deadline, whether they like it or not because there wouldn't be any 
> apps to use (other than Apple's own apps).
>
>
>
>>>> When I tried Thoth with Sierra it seemed horribly buggy, but maybe I
>>>> didn't have the then very newest, and last, version.
>>> 
>>> thoth works perfectly fine in sierra. i haven't tried it in mojave but
>>> there is little reason why it won't continue to work.
>>> 
>>> post-mojave, it will not work, nor any other 32 bit app, although one
>>> could run an earlier version of macos in a vm and use it that way.
>> 
>> Thanks for the responses.
>
> According to Apple, High Sierra was the last version of macOS to run 
> 32bit apps "with compromise" ... what exactly the "compromise" is when 
> it comes to running 32bit apps in Mojave will probably depend on a few 
> factors, including individual apps themselves.
>
> Best bet is to simply try it and see. If it works (or works well enough 
> for your needs), then great. If it doesn't work, then you haven't lost 
> anything other than a bit of your time trying it.
>
> The only problem is if you're asking BEFORE upgrading to Mojave. Then 
> you will need someone who has already tried it to reply to this topic.
>
>
Best is to install Mojave on an external disk and test all your apps there

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#6689

On 2018-10-23 08:07:10 +0000, Mallocy said:
> On 2018-10-23, Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:
>> On 2018-10-23 01:03:51 +0000, Oldman said:
>>> In article <221020182100395206%nospam@nospam.invalid>, nospam
>>> <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
>>>> In article <pqlqh8$1jvf$1@gioia.aioe.org>, Your Name
>>>> <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Anybody know if Thoth keeps on ticking with Mojave?
>>>>> 
>>>>> Not sure. According to this webpage <https://roaringapps.com/app/thoth>
>>>>> it works with Sierra, so *should* work with High Sierra and probably
>>>>> Mojave as well ... but it's almost certainly won't work with the next
>>>>> version of macOS (unless Apple changes its plans again).
>>>> 
>>>> apple is not going to suddenly start supporting 32 bit apps.
>> 
>> Apple has already shifted the deadline once (High Sierra was meant to
>> be the *last* to run 32bit apps, now Mojave can, albeit with
>> "compromises"). They may or may not decide to move the goalposts again.
>> It partly depends if enough developers make the changeover ... if no
>> developers had bothered, then Apple would have had to extend the
>> deadline, whether they like it or not because there wouldn't be any
>> apps to use (other than Apple's own apps).
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>>>> When I tried Thoth with Sierra it seemed horribly buggy, but maybe I
>>>>> didn't have the then very newest, and last, version.
>>>> 
>>>> thoth works perfectly fine in sierra. i haven't tried it in mojave but
>>>> there is little reason why it won't continue to work.
>>>> 
>>>> post-mojave, it will not work, nor any other 32 bit app, although one
>>>> could run an earlier version of macos in a vm and use it that way.
>>> 
>>> Thanks for the responses.
>> 
>> According to Apple, High Sierra was the last version of macOS to run
>> 32bit apps "with compromise" ... what exactly the "compromise" is when
>> it comes to running 32bit apps in Mojave will probably depend on a few
>> factors, including individual apps themselves.
>> 
>> Best bet is to simply try it and see. If it works (or works well enough
>> for your needs), then great. If it doesn't work, then you haven't lost
>> anything other than a bit of your time trying it.
>> 
>> The only problem is if you're asking BEFORE upgrading to Mojave. Then
>> you will need someone who has already tried it to reply to this topic.
> 
> Best is to install Mojave on an external disk and test all your apps there

Yep, as long as you have a spare drive. Despite claims, they aren't 
actually that cheap - although the capacity does keep increasing for 
the same price.

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#6690

In article <pqofdu$1tsj$1@gioia.aioe.org>, Your Name
<YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:

> > Best is to install Mojave on an external disk and test all your apps there
> 
> Yep, as long as you have a spare drive. Despite claims, they aren't 
> actually that cheap

yes they are.

> - although the capacity does keep increasing for 
> the same price.

that part is true.

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#6691

Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:

> Yep, as long as you have a spare drive. Despite claims, they aren't 
> actually that cheap - although the capacity does keep increasing for 
> the same price.

You can now get a 1TB HDD or a 256GB SSD for $50. Consider the
following: 

<https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820167429>

<https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=1B4-006X-00029>

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#6693

On 2018-10-24 09:09:08 +0000, Neill Massello said:
> Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Yep, as long as you have a spare drive. Despite claims, they aren't
>> actually that cheap - although the capacity does keep increasing for
>> the same price.
> 
> You can now get a 1TB HDD or a 256GB SSD for $50. Consider the
> following:
> 
> <https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820167429>
> 
> <https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=1B4-006X-00029>

I know most people seem to have little sense when it comes to spending 
mony, but US$50 is still relatively expensive, especially if it's for 
something that will be a one-use wonder just to test a new OS 
installation and then sit there gathering dust. There are a lot more 
important things to spend the money on than that.

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#6695

In article <pr10hi$1kde$1@gioia.aioe.org>, Your Name
<YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:

>On 2018-10-24 09:09:08 +0000, Neill Massello said:
>> Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Yep, as long as you have a spare drive. Despite claims, they aren't
>>> actually that cheap - although the capacity does keep increasing for
>>> the same price.
>> 
>> You can now get a 1TB HDD or a 256GB SSD for $50. Consider the
>> following:
>> 
>> <https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820167429>
>> 
>> <https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=1B4-006X-00029>
>
>I know most people seem to have little sense when it comes to spending 
>mony, but US$50 is still relatively expensive, especially if it's for 
>something that will be a one-use wonder just to test a new OS 
>installation and then sit there gathering dust. There are a lot more 
>important things to spend the money on than that.

You can then use it as a second Time Machine disk.

-- 
"I love the way that Microsoft follows standards. 
 In much the same manner as fish follow migrating caribou."
                                               - Paul Tomblin, ASR

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#6696

On 2018-10-27 08:32:53 +0000, Tim Streater said:
> In article <pr10hi$1kde$1@gioia.aioe.org>, Your Name
> <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:
>> On 2018-10-24 09:09:08 +0000, Neill Massello said:
>>> Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Yep, as long as you have a spare drive. Despite claims, they aren't
>>>> actually that cheap - although the capacity does keep increasing for
>>>> the same price.
>>> 
>>> You can now get a 1TB HDD or a 256GB SSD for $50. Consider the
>>> following:
>>> 
>>> <https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820167429>
>>> 
>>> <https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=1B4-006X-00029>
>> 
>> I know most people seem to have little sense when it comes to spending 
>> mony, but US$50 is still relatively expensive, especially if it's for 
>> something that will be a one-use wonder just to test a new OS 
>> installation and then sit there gathering dust. There are a lot more 
>> important things to spend the money on than that.
> 
> You can then use it as a second Time Machine disk.

Why not buy 100 external drives and use them all as extra backup 
drives? Still doesn't alter the fact that $50 is relatively a lot of 
money for something you don't really *need*.   :-\

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#6697

In article <pr2grm$4sb$1@gioia.aioe.org>, Your Name
<YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:

>On 2018-10-27 08:32:53 +0000, Tim Streater said:
>> In article <pr10hi$1kde$1@gioia.aioe.org>, Your Name
>> <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:
>>> On 2018-10-24 09:09:08 +0000, Neill Massello said:
>>>> Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Yep, as long as you have a spare drive. Despite claims, they aren't
>>>>> actually that cheap - although the capacity does keep increasing for
>>>>> the same price.
>>>> 
>>>> You can now get a 1TB HDD or a 256GB SSD for $50. Consider the
>>>> following:
>>>> 
>>>> <https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820167429>
>>>> 
>>>> <https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=1B4-006X-00029>
>>> 
>>> I know most people seem to have little sense when it comes to spending 
>>> mony, but US$50 is still relatively expensive, especially if it's for 
>>> something that will be a one-use wonder just to test a new OS 
>>> installation and then sit there gathering dust. There are a lot more 
>>> important things to spend the money on than that.
>> 
>> You can then use it as a second Time Machine disk.
>
>Why not buy 100 external drives and use them all as extra backup 
>drives?

That would cost $5000.

>Still doesn't alter the fact that $50 is relatively a lot of 
>money for something you don't really *need*.   :-\

So you're saying you already have two backup drives (or more)?

-- 
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where they already have it.

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#6699

On 2018-10-27 20:18:32 +0000, Tim Streater said:
> In article <pr2grm$4sb$1@gioia.aioe.org>, Your Name
> <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:
>> On 2018-10-27 08:32:53 +0000, Tim Streater said:
>>> In article <pr10hi$1kde$1@gioia.aioe.org>, Your Name
>>> <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:
>>>> On 2018-10-24 09:09:08 +0000, Neill Massello said:
>>>>> Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Yep, as long as you have a spare drive. Despite claims, they aren't
>>>>>> actually that cheap - although the capacity does keep increasing for
>>>>>> the same price.
>>>>> 
>>>>> You can now get a 1TB HDD or a 256GB SSD for $50. Consider the
>>>>> following:
>>>>> 
>>>>> <https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820167429>
>>>>> 
>>>>> <https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=1B4-006X-00029>
>>>> 
>>>> I know most people seem to have little sense when it comes to spending 
>>>> mony, but US$50 is still relatively expensive, especially if it's for 
>>>> something that will be a one-use wonder just to test a new OS 
>>>> installation and then sit there gathering dust. There are a lot more 
>>>> important things to spend the money on than that.
>>> 
>>> You can then use it as a second Time Machine disk.
>> 
>> Why not buy 100 external drives and use them all as extra backup drives?
> 
> That would cost $5000.
> 
>> Still doesn't alter the fact that $50 is relatively a lot of money for 
>> something you don't really *need*.   :-\
> 
> So you're saying you already have two backup drives (or more)?

No, I'm saying $50 is still relatively quite a bit of money. I could 
use it to buy one of the needed replacement boot struts for my car, for 
example.


Personally I already have multiple backup drives. One is used by Carbon 
Copy Cloner to backup the entire internal drive, another old smaller 
capacity one syncs certain folders when I can be bother plugging it in, 
plus a couple of USB keyring drives to also sync certain folders. But 
none of those drives were bought simply to test a new version of the 
macOS. They were bought for other necessary reasons.

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#6702

In article <pr3guk$1eq6$1@gioia.aioe.org>, Your Name
<YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:

>On 2018-10-27 20:18:32 +0000, Tim Streater said:

>> So you're saying you already have two backup drives (or more)?
>
>No ...

>Personally I already have multiple backup drives.

Make your mind up, would you.

>One is used by Carbon Copy Cloner to backup the entire internal drive,
>another old smaller capacity one syncs certain folders when I can be
>bother plugging it in

So repurpose it temporarily for testing and then redo the backup.

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with what Bob in accounting bought last year. Trace it back - they buy
Microsoft because the IBM Selectric didn't suck much" - P Seebach, afc

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#6705

On 2018-10-28 07:31:33 +0000, Tim Streater said:
> In article <pr3guk$1eq6$1@gioia.aioe.org>, Your Name
> <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:
>> On 2018-10-27 20:18:32 +0000, Tim Streater said:
>>> 
>>> So you're saying you already have two backup drives (or more)?
>> 
>> No ...
>> 
>> Personally I already have multiple backup drives.
> 
> Make your mind up, would you.
> 
>> One is used by Carbon Copy Cloner to backup the entire internal drive,
>> another old smaller capacity one syncs certain folders when I can be
>> bother plugging it in
> 
> So repurpose it temporarily for testing and then redo the backup.

I don't know who put a wasp in your panties, but I wasn't the one 
upgrading to Mojave.   :-\

I simply said US$50 is still quite a bit of money for something that 
will only be needed for a quick one-off use.

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#6685

In article <pqmbgt$9g7$1@gioia.aioe.org>, Your Name
<YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:

> >>>> Anybody know if Thoth keeps on ticking with Mojave?
> >>> 
> >>> Not sure. According to this webpage <https://roaringapps.com/app/thoth>
> >>> it works with Sierra, so *should* work with High Sierra and probably
> >>> Mojave as well ... but it's almost certainly won't work with the next
> >>> version of macOS (unless Apple changes its plans again).
> >> 
> >> apple is not going to suddenly start supporting 32 bit apps.
> 
> Apple has already shifted the deadline once (High Sierra was meant to 
> be the *last* to run 32bit apps, now Mojave can, albeit with 
> "compromises").

nope. high sierra was never going to be the last one to run 32 bit apps.

> They may or may not decide to move the goalposts again. 
> It partly depends if enough developers make the changeover ... if no 
> developers had bothered, then Apple would have had to extend the 
> deadline, whether they like it or not because there wouldn't be any 
> apps to use (other than Apple's own apps).

nope. apple hasn't moved anything nor will they be changing anything.

mojave is the last version of macos that will natively run 32 bit apps.
period.

one option is to run an earlier version of macos in a virtual machine
and run 32 bit apps that way.

> >>> When I tried Thoth with Sierra it seemed horribly buggy, but maybe I
> >>> didn't have the then very newest, and last, version.
> >> 
> >> thoth works perfectly fine in sierra. i haven't tried it in mojave but
> >> there is little reason why it won't continue to work.
> >> 
> >> post-mojave, it will not work, nor any other 32 bit app, although one
> >> could run an earlier version of macos in a vm and use it that way.
> > 
> > Thanks for the responses.
> 
> According to Apple, High Sierra was the last version of macOS to run 
> 32bit apps "with compromise" ...

you're contradicting yourself. 

first you said high sierra would be the last, now you say 'with
compromise'.

> what exactly the "compromise" is when 
> it comes to running 32bit apps in Mojave will probably depend on a few 
> factors, including individual apps themselves.

nope.

> Best bet is to simply try it and see. If it works (or works well enough 
> for your needs), then great. If it doesn't work, then you haven't lost 
> anything other than a bit of your time trying it.
> 
> The only problem is if you're asking BEFORE upgrading to Mojave. Then 
> you will need someone who has already tried it to reply to this topic.

which is obviously not you.

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#6686

On 23/10/2018 06:27, Your Name wrote:
> On 2018-10-23 01:03:51 +0000, Oldman said:
> 
>> In article <221020182100395206%nospam@nospam.invalid>, nospam
>> <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>> In article <pqlqh8$1jvf$1@gioia.aioe.org>, Your Name
>>> <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>> Anybody know if Thoth keeps on ticking with Mojave?
>>>>
>>>> Not sure. According to this webpage <https://roaringapps.com/app/thoth>
>>>> it works with Sierra, so *should* work with High Sierra and probably
>>>> Mojave as well ... but it's almost certainly won't work with the next
>>>> version of macOS (unless Apple changes its plans again).
>>>
>>> apple is not going to suddenly start supporting 32 bit apps.
> 
> Apple has already shifted the deadline once (High Sierra was meant to be 
> the *last* to run 32bit apps, now Mojave can, albeit with 
> "compromises"). They may or may not decide to move the goalposts again. 
> It partly depends if enough developers make the changeover ... if no 
> developers had bothered, then Apple would have had to extend the 
> deadline, whether they like it or not because there wouldn't be any apps 
> to use (other than Apple's own apps).

I suspect they'll keep this deadline, as so much nowadays is 64-bit and 
if a few apps that aren't getting maintained miss the boat... tough.

> According to Apple, High Sierra was the last version of macOS to run 
> 32bit apps "with compromise" ... what exactly the "compromise" is when 
> it comes to running 32bit apps in Mojave will probably depend on a few 
> factors, including individual apps themselves.

The compromise is likely that the 32-bit APIs weren't as well tested. 
There could be bugs that don't exist in the 64-bit APIs. Other 
compromises could be that new APIs may not even have 32-bit versions.

-- 
Chris

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#6687

In article <pqno7b$o3a$1@dont-email.me>, Chris Ridd <chrisridd@mac.com>
wrote:

> >>>> Not sure. According to this webpage <https://roaringapps.com/app/thoth>
> >>>> it works with Sierra, so *should* work with High Sierra and probably
> >>>> Mojave as well ... but it's almost certainly won't work with the next
> >>>> version of macOS (unless Apple changes its plans again).
> >>>
> >>> apple is not going to suddenly start supporting 32 bit apps.
> > 
> > Apple has already shifted the deadline once (High Sierra was meant to be 
> > the *last* to run 32bit apps, now Mojave can, albeit with 
> > "compromises"). They may or may not decide to move the goalposts again. 
> > It partly depends if enough developers make the changeover ... if no 
> > developers had bothered, then Apple would have had to extend the 
> > deadline, whether they like it or not because there wouldn't be any apps 
> > to use (other than Apple's own apps).
> 
> I suspect they'll keep this deadline, as so much nowadays is 64-bit and 
> if a few apps that aren't getting maintained miss the boat... tough.

they aren't going to change it and the claim that they shifted the
deadline is complete rubbish.

> > According to Apple, High Sierra was the last version of macOS to run 
> > 32bit apps "with compromise" ... what exactly the "compromise" is when 
> > it comes to running 32bit apps in Mojave will probably depend on a few 
> > factors, including individual apps themselves.
> 
> The compromise is likely that the 32-bit APIs weren't as well tested. 

the compromise are the warnings that the apps won't work in future
versions.

> There could be bugs that don't exist in the 64-bit APIs. Other 
> compromises could be that new APIs may not even have 32-bit versions.

there never was a 64 bit carbon.

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#6688

Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:

> On 2018-10-23 01:03:51 +0000, Oldman said:
> 
> > In article <221020182100395206%nospam@nospam.invalid>, nospam
> > <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
> > 
> >> In article <pqlqh8$1jvf$1@gioia.aioe.org>, Your Name
> >> <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:
> >> 
> >>>> Anybody know if Thoth keeps on ticking with Mojave?
> >>> 
> >>> Not sure. According to this webpage <https://roaringapps.com/app/thoth>
> >>> it works with Sierra, so *should* work with High Sierra and probably
> >>> Mojave as well ... but it's almost certainly won't work with the next
> >>> version of macOS (unless Apple changes its plans again).
> >> 
> >> apple is not going to suddenly start supporting 32 bit apps.
> 
> Apple has already shifted the deadline once (High Sierra was meant to
> be the *last* to run 32bit apps, now Mojave can, albeit with 
> "compromises").

You have that wrong. When Apple announced the coming end of support for
32-bit applications at WWDC 2017, they said that High Sierra would be
the last version that would run 32-bit applications without compromise,
and the version after High Sierra (at that point unnamed) would be the
last version to run 32-bit applications at all.

The announcement at WWDC 2018 repeated the same information.

Earlier WWDCs or public statements made no mention of ending 32-bit
application support. There has not been a change in policy.

If you want to confirm this for yourself, the relevant announcements
were in the "Platforms State of the Union" addresses.

WWDC 2017: 

https://developer.apple.com/videos/play/wwdc2017/102

WWDC 2018:

https://developer.apple.com/videos/play/wwdc2018/102/

In each case, see the transcript and search for 32-bit: there is a link
to the relevant point in the video.

> According to Apple, High Sierra was the last version of macOS to run 
> 32bit apps "with compromise"

Nope. High Sierra was the last version that would run 32-bit
applications "without compromise".

-- 
David Empson
dempson@actrix.gen.nz

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