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  MailForge dead Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2014-01-16 10:13 +0000
    Re: MailForge dead David Morrison <davidmor@excite.com> - 2014-01-17 09:50 +1100
      Re: MailForge dead Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2014-01-17 00:19 +0000
        Re: MailForge dead David Morrison <davidmor@excite.com> - 2014-01-18 11:37 +1100
        Re: MailForge dead "R. Millstein" <usenet@spamaway.rlm.net> - 2014-01-18 15:06 -0800
          Re: MailForge dead Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2014-01-18 23:43 +0000
            Re: MailForge dead "R. Millstein" <usenet@spamaway.rlm.net> - 2014-01-18 16:45 -0800
            Re: MailForge dead Dennis Lee Bieber <wlfraed@ix.netcom.com> - 2014-01-18 20:31 -0500
              Re: MailForge dead "R. Millstein" <usenet@spamaway.rlm.net> - 2014-01-19 09:33 -0800
            Re: MailForge dead David Morrison <davidmor@excite.com> - 2014-01-20 15:45 +1100
              Re: MailForge dead Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-01-22 08:56 +0000
                Re: MailForge dead David Morrison <davidmor@excite.com> - 2014-01-23 01:42 +1100
                  Re: MailForge dead Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-01-22 15:23 +0000
                    Re: MailForge dead David Morrison <davidmor@excite.com> - 2014-01-23 09:56 +1100
                  Re: MailForge dead Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-01-22 16:26 +0000
                    Re: MailForge dead David Morrison <davidmor@excite.com> - 2014-01-23 10:02 +1100
                      Re: MailForge dead Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-01-22 23:19 +0000
                Re: MailForge dead richgr@panix.com (Rich Greenberg) - 2014-01-23 20:03 +0000
                Re: MailForge dead Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-01-23 18:19 -0500
                Re: MailForge dead David Morrison <davidmor@excite.com> - 2014-06-18 15:55 +1000
                  Re: MailForge dead Michael Vilain <vilain@NOspamcop.net> - 2014-06-18 19:53 -0700
                    Re: MailForge dead Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-06-19 02:58 +0000
                      Re: MailForge dead Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-06-19 03:14 +0000
                      Re: MailForge dead Michael Vilain <vilain@NOspamcop.net> - 2014-06-18 22:45 -0700
                        Re: MailForge dead billy@MIX.COM - 2014-06-19 10:34 +0000
                          Re: MailForge dead Michael Vilain <vilain@NOspamcop.net> - 2014-06-19 21:18 -0700
                            Re: MailForge dead Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-06-20 16:13 +0000
                        Re: MailForge dead Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-06-19 16:02 +0000
                          Re: MailForge dead Michael Vilain <vilain@NOspamcop.net> - 2014-06-19 21:20 -0700
                            Re: MailForge dead Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-06-20 16:15 +0000
        Re: MailForge dead cvb@compuserve.com - 2014-01-31 00:56 -0800
          Re: MailForge dead Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2014-01-31 10:08 +0000
      Re: MailForge dead peter@cara.demon.co.uk (Peter Ceresole) - 2014-01-17 07:23 +0000
        Re: MailForge dead David Morrison <davidmor@excite.com> - 2014-01-18 11:50 +1100
          Re: MailForge dead David Morrison <davidmor@excite.com> - 2014-01-18 11:52 +1100
          Re: MailForge dead peter@cara.demon.co.uk (Peter Ceresole) - 2014-01-19 10:39 +0000
          Re: MailForge dead kmorgan@spamcop.net (Kathy Morgan) - 2014-01-21 13:57 -0900
        Re: MailForge dead kmorgan@spamcop.net (Kathy Morgan) - 2014-01-21 13:57 -0900
        Re: MailForge dead Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2014-01-31 10:33 +0100
          Re: MailForge dead Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-01-31 12:37 +0000
            Re: MailForge dead Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2014-01-31 21:16 +0100
              Re: MailForge dead Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-02-01 17:02 +0000
                Re: MailForge dead Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2014-02-02 00:12 +0100
      Re: MailForge dead dont.spam.usenet@googlemail.com (Hauke Fath) - 2014-01-17 14:37 +0100
        Re: MailForge dead Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2014-01-17 15:21 +0000
          Re: MailForge dead dont.spam.usenet@googlemail.com (Hauke Fath) - 2014-01-17 19:03 +0100
            Re: MailForge dead Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2014-01-17 18:59 +0000
              Re: MailForge dead dcohenspam@talktalk.net (Daniel Cohen) - 2014-01-18 10:48 +0000
                Re: MailForge dead Michael Vilain <vilain@NOspamcop.net> - 2014-01-18 13:12 -0800
                  Re: MailForge dead nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-01-18 16:45 -0500
                    Re: MailForge dead snipe@spambin.fsnet.co.uk (Sn!pe) - 2014-02-03 22:46 +0000

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#23053

In article <davidmor-C60366.15554918062014@news.internode.on.net>,
 David Morrison <davidmor@excite.com> wrote:

> In article <slrnldv1u4.1891.g.kreme@amelia.local>,
>  Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:
> 
> > In message <davidmor-7E8F72.15455220012014@news.internode.on.net> 
> >   David Morrison <davidmor@excite.com> wrote:
> > > In article <180120142343428924%timstreater@greenbee.net>,
> > >  Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> wrote:
> > 
> > >> Thanks for that. However, I don't do facebook, one look at their Ts&Cs
> > >> was enough.
> > 
> > > I have a low profile Facebook account. I hardly ever post anything, and 
> > > when I do, it is as restricted as it is possible to do. Nothing of 
> > > consequence in my settings. Allows me to see what people are doing as 
> > > Roberta said.
> > 
> > > And I check it once a week or less.
> > 
> > The trouble is that Facebook tracks you all over the web if you have an
> > account, so just HAVING one is a selling your soul to Facebook.
> 
> Just reviving this old thread....
> 
> Look at a plugin called Disconnect that disables all those things that 
> call home. Quite astonishing to see how many tracking things there are 
> on the average page.
> 
> https://disconnect.me

The sad thing about the version of Disconnect that I just installed is 
that it kept doing a pop-up for their premium service with every page. 
It was so annoying that I trashed it.  The version I have on an older 
system doesn't do that.  I can't stand nag-ware.

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#23054

On 2014-06-19, Michael Vilain <vilain@NOspamcop.net> wrote:
> In article <davidmor-C60366.15554918062014@news.internode.on.net>,
>  David Morrison <davidmor@excite.com> wrote:
>
>> In article <slrnldv1u4.1891.g.kreme@amelia.local>,
>>  Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:
>> 
>> > In message <davidmor-7E8F72.15455220012014@news.internode.on.net> 
>> >   David Morrison <davidmor@excite.com> wrote:
>> > > In article <180120142343428924%timstreater@greenbee.net>,
>> > >  Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> wrote:
>> > 
>> > >> Thanks for that. However, I don't do facebook, one look at their Ts&Cs
>> > >> was enough.
>> > 
>> > > I have a low profile Facebook account. I hardly ever post anything, and 
>> > > when I do, it is as restricted as it is possible to do. Nothing of 
>> > > consequence in my settings. Allows me to see what people are doing as 
>> > > Roberta said.
>> > 
>> > > And I check it once a week or less.
>> > 
>> > The trouble is that Facebook tracks you all over the web if you have an
>> > account, so just HAVING one is a selling your soul to Facebook.
>> 
>> Just reviving this old thread....
>> 
>> Look at a plugin called Disconnect that disables all those things that 
>> call home. Quite astonishing to see how many tracking things there are 
>> on the average page.
>> 
>> https://disconnect.me
>
> The sad thing about the version of Disconnect that I just installed is 
> that it kept doing a pop-up for their premium service with every page. 
> It was so annoying that I trashed it.  The version I have on an older 
> system doesn't do that.  I can't stand nag-ware.

That's interesting. Looks like I have 3.0.3 installed (according to the
Safari Extensions preference pane) and have never noticed such nags. I'm
curious what version you installed.

Anyhow, luckily there are other alternatives available, like
DoNotTrackMe and Ghostery.

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#23055

On 2014-06-19, Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
> On 2014-06-19, Michael Vilain <vilain@NOspamcop.net> wrote:
>> In article <davidmor-C60366.15554918062014@news.internode.on.net>,
>>  David Morrison <davidmor@excite.com> wrote:
>>
>> The sad thing about the version of Disconnect that I just installed is 
>> that it kept doing a pop-up for their premium service with every page. 
>> It was so annoying that I trashed it.  The version I have on an older 
>> system doesn't do that.  I can't stand nag-ware.
>
> That's interesting. Looks like I have 3.0.3 installed (according to the
> Safari Extensions preference pane) and have never noticed such nags.

And I have Safari Extensions auto-update enabled, so I thought I was
running the latest version.

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#23056

In article <c0f1v4F6u4rU1@mid.individual.net>,
 Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:

> On 2014-06-19, Michael Vilain <vilain@NOspamcop.net> wrote:
> > In article <davidmor-C60366.15554918062014@news.internode.on.net>,
> >  David Morrison <davidmor@excite.com> wrote:
> >
> >> In article <slrnldv1u4.1891.g.kreme@amelia.local>,
> >>  Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:
> >> 
> >> > In message <davidmor-7E8F72.15455220012014@news.internode.on.net> 
> >> >   David Morrison <davidmor@excite.com> wrote:
> >> > > In article <180120142343428924%timstreater@greenbee.net>,
> >> > >  Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> wrote:
> >> > 
> >> > >> Thanks for that. However, I don't do facebook, one look at their 
> >> > >> Ts&Cs
> >> > >> was enough.
> >> > 
> >> > > I have a low profile Facebook account. I hardly ever post anything, 
> >> > > and 
> >> > > when I do, it is as restricted as it is possible to do. Nothing of 
> >> > > consequence in my settings. Allows me to see what people are doing as 
> >> > > Roberta said.
> >> > 
> >> > > And I check it once a week or less.
> >> > 
> >> > The trouble is that Facebook tracks you all over the web if you have an
> >> > account, so just HAVING one is a selling your soul to Facebook.
> >> 
> >> Just reviving this old thread....
> >> 
> >> Look at a plugin called Disconnect that disables all those things that 
> >> call home. Quite astonishing to see how many tracking things there are 
> >> on the average page.
> >> 
> >> https://disconnect.me
> >
> > The sad thing about the version of Disconnect that I just installed is 
> > that it kept doing a pop-up for their premium service with every page. 
> > It was so annoying that I trashed it.  The version I have on an older 
> > system doesn't do that.  I can't stand nag-ware.
> 
> That's interesting. Looks like I have 3.0.3 installed (according to the
> Safari Extensions preference pane) and have never noticed such nags. I'm
> curious what version you installed.
> 
> Anyhow, luckily there are other alternatives available, like
> DoNotTrackMe and Ghostery.

I'm running Disconnect 5.18.14 on Chrome and Disconnect 3.0.3 on Safari 
6.1.  I'm also running AdblockPlus 1.8.3.  I just reinstalled Disconnect 
on MacOS 10.8.5.  On the Mavericks Safari (7 something), Disconnect 
won't shut up, so I ripped it out.  I complained to the company and I'll 
post their response.

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#23057

[Eudora groups dropped]

Michael Vilain <vilain@nospamcop.net> wrote:

> I'm running [...] Disconnect 3.0.3 [...]  On the Mavericks Safari
> (7 something), Disconnect won't shut up, so I ripped it out.

It's completely quiet for me on Safari Version 7.0.4 (9537.76.4)
under 10.9.3.  Other than the count of blocked links on the badge
on the tool bar icon updating, it's been invisible.

> I complained to the company and I'll post their response.

Billy Y..
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#23063

In article <lnuebl$7mr$1@reader2.panix.com>, billy@MIX.COM wrote:

> [Eudora groups dropped]
> 
> Michael Vilain <vilain@nospamcop.net> wrote:
> 
> > I'm running [...] Disconnect 3.0.3 [...]  On the Mavericks Safari
> > (7 something), Disconnect won't shut up, so I ripped it out.
> 
> It's completely quiet for me on Safari Version 7.0.4 (9537.76.4)
> under 10.9.3.  Other than the count of blocked links on the badge
> on the tool bar icon updating, it's been invisible.
> 
> > I complained to the company and I'll post their response.
> 
> Billy Y..

I misspoke here.  I installed Disconnect and DoNotTrackMe both on a new 
system.  It turns out it's DoNotTrackMe from Abine that's offering the 
"premium service" that's doing the nagging.  I ripped it out and all is 
good now.  So my sincere apologies to Disconnect.me. It's a great 
extension and does it's job well.  DoNotTrackMe wasn't so bad a while 
ago, but now it's obnoxious nagware.  Into the trash it went.

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#23065

On 2014-06-20, Michael Vilain <vilain@NOspamcop.net> wrote:
> In article <lnuebl$7mr$1@reader2.panix.com>, billy@MIX.COM wrote:
>
>> [Eudora groups dropped]
>> 
>> Michael Vilain <vilain@nospamcop.net> wrote:
>> 
>> > I'm running [...] Disconnect 3.0.3 [...]  On the Mavericks Safari
>> > (7 something), Disconnect won't shut up, so I ripped it out.
>> 
>> It's completely quiet for me on Safari Version 7.0.4 (9537.76.4)
>> under 10.9.3.  Other than the count of blocked links on the badge
>> on the tool bar icon updating, it's been invisible.
>> 
>> > I complained to the company and I'll post their response.
>> 
>> Billy Y..
>
> I misspoke here.  I installed Disconnect and DoNotTrackMe both on a new 
> system.  It turns out it's DoNotTrackMe from Abine that's offering the 
> "premium service" that's doing the nagging.  I ripped it out and all is 
> good now.  So my sincere apologies to Disconnect.me. It's a great 
> extension and does it's job well.  DoNotTrackMe wasn't so bad a while 
> ago, but now it's obnoxious nagware.  Into the trash it went.

That does make more sense. I have DoNotTrackMe installed, but disabled
it after installing Disonnect.me. That probably explains why I haven't
seen those nags! Guess I'll go ahead and uninstall it now too. Thanks
for the heads-up. : )

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#23060

On 2014-06-19, Michael Vilain <vilain@NOspamcop.net> wrote:
> In article <c0f1v4F6u4rU1@mid.individual.net>,
>  Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
>
>> On 2014-06-19, Michael Vilain <vilain@NOspamcop.net> wrote:
>> >
>> > The sad thing about the version of Disconnect that I just installed is 
>> > that it kept doing a pop-up for their premium service with every page. 
>> > It was so annoying that I trashed it.  The version I have on an older 
>> > system doesn't do that.  I can't stand nag-ware.
>> 
>> That's interesting. Looks like I have 3.0.3 installed (according to the
>> Safari Extensions preference pane) and have never noticed such nags. I'm
>> curious what version you installed.
>> 
>> Anyhow, luckily there are other alternatives available, like
>> DoNotTrackMe and Ghostery.
>
> I'm running Disconnect 5.18.14 on Chrome and Disconnect 3.0.3 on Safari 
> 6.1.  I'm also running AdblockPlus 1.8.3.  I just reinstalled Disconnect 
> on MacOS 10.8.5.  On the Mavericks Safari (7 something), Disconnect 
> won't shut up, so I ripped it out.  I complained to the company and I'll 
> post their response.

Very interesting. You wouldn't happen to a screen shot you could share,
for those of us who haven't seen the nag to which you refer, would you?

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#23064

In article <c0gft6Fg7deU1@mid.individual.net>,
 Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:

> On 2014-06-19, Michael Vilain <vilain@NOspamcop.net> wrote:
> > In article <c0f1v4F6u4rU1@mid.individual.net>,
> >  Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
> >
> >> On 2014-06-19, Michael Vilain <vilain@NOspamcop.net> wrote:
> >> >
> >> > The sad thing about the version of Disconnect that I just installed is 
> >> > that it kept doing a pop-up for their premium service with every page. 
> >> > It was so annoying that I trashed it.  The version I have on an older 
> >> > system doesn't do that.  I can't stand nag-ware.
> >> 
> >> That's interesting. Looks like I have 3.0.3 installed (according to the
> >> Safari Extensions preference pane) and have never noticed such nags. I'm
> >> curious what version you installed.
> >> 
> >> Anyhow, luckily there are other alternatives available, like
> >> DoNotTrackMe and Ghostery.
> >
> > I'm running Disconnect 5.18.14 on Chrome and Disconnect 3.0.3 on Safari 
> > 6.1.  I'm also running AdblockPlus 1.8.3.  I just reinstalled Disconnect 
> > on MacOS 10.8.5.  On the Mavericks Safari (7 something), Disconnect 
> > won't shut up, so I ripped it out.  I complained to the company and I'll 
> > post their response.
> 
> Very interesting. You wouldn't happen to a screen shot you could share,
> for those of us who haven't seen the nag to which you refer, would you?

The Disconnect.me people said the same thing.  I was wrong (I'm shocked 
and you're surprised).  It was DoNotTrackMe that did the nagging.  
That's what I trashed.

These days, "getting lucky" is starting to mean I can walk into a room 
and remember why I went into it.

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#23066

On 2014-06-20, Michael Vilain <vilain@NOspamcop.net> wrote:
> In article <c0gft6Fg7deU1@mid.individual.net>,
>  Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
>
>> Very interesting. You wouldn't happen to a screen shot you could share,
>> for those of us who haven't seen the nag to which you refer, would you?
>
> The Disconnect.me people said the same thing.  I was wrong (I'm shocked 
> and you're surprised).  It was DoNotTrackMe that did the nagging.  
> That's what I trashed.
>
> These days, "getting lucky" is starting to mean I can walk into a room 
> and remember why I went into it.

You are in good company. No worries. Besides, it's all in your head. ; D

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#20838

Why can't the Mailforge bozo's even update their main web page?  It still states:

"Our focus is to continue the evolution of the MailForge product. We are dedicated to bringing the features, power and stability of Eudora into MailForge."

What a ridiculous farce...

At least when Matt failed, he left the forums up and running!

CVB

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#20842

In article <49d38026-69ad-4953-8a32-3ceccea64511@googlegroups.com>,
<cvb@compuserve.com> wrote:

> Why can't the Mailforge bozo's even update their main web page?  It still
> states:
> 
> "Our focus is to continue the evolution of the MailForge product. We are
> dedicated to bringing the features, power and stability of Eudora into
> MailForge."
> 
> What a ridiculous farce...
> 
> At least when Matt failed, he left the forums up and running!

Yeah, that was kind of handy. It allowed me to delete all my posts.

-- 
Tim

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nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted"  --  Bill of Rights 1689

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#20464

David Morrison <davidmor@excite.com> wrote:

> I have been using Apple Mail in parallel with Eudora in a Parallels 
> virtual machine (Snow Leopard). Mail is usable like this, but 
> frustrating in so many ways.

I'm doing that- running Mail, but with my historical Eudora
installation, which I use less and less as time goes by. I can't see any
real problems with Mail (using POP3). It works very well. As a matter of
interest, what don't you like about Mail?
-- 
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#20482

In article <1lflw70.1mg6bmm1tdbed4N%peter@cara.demon.co.uk>,
 peter@cara.demon.co.uk (Peter Ceresole) wrote:

> David Morrison <davidmor@excite.com> wrote:
> 
> > I have been using Apple Mail in parallel with Eudora in a Parallels 
> > virtual machine (Snow Leopard). Mail is usable like this, but 
> > frustrating in so many ways.
> 
> I'm doing that- running Mail, but with my historical Eudora
> installation, which I use less and less as time goes by. I can't see any
> real problems with Mail (using POP3). It works very well. As a matter of
> interest, what don't you like about Mail?

Firstly, I do not like two or three pane interfaces. I prefer separate 
windows. I have about 20 e-mail accounts. In Mail, I have 20 accounts in 
the sidebar. To see a folder for an account, I have to scroll the 
sidebar to the account, then click on the triangle to show the folders 
for the account. If it is a gmail account, I have to click on the 
triangle next to [Gmail] and scroll down until I get the folder I want. 
(This is IMAP.) Then if I hide the account, it closes all those things 
again and I have to open them all again next time.

And I have to do this to manually move a message into a folder. Compare 
this to Eudora's Transfer menu, which is hierarchical and allows any 
folder ot be reached in just a couple of clikcs and no scrolling.

I liked how Eudora opened the mailbox window when any new messages were 
filtered into it. So you could have lots of unread messages in it 
without being bothered. With Mail, you get the number of unread 
messages, which doesn't tell you if there were any new ones in the last 
check.

I do not like how Mail keeps setting accounts offline if there has been 
any problem. Clients are constantly ringing me to ask why they cannot 
send mail. It's because Mail has set the account offline and refuses to 
do anything until you manually put it back online.

Mail has actually got worse in the last few iterations, I feel. Some 
tasks have become even more cumbersome than they used to be.

I might try Gyaz as Faith suggested. Even Thunderbird I suppose as that 
is more of an old school mail client.

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#20483

> I might try Gyaz as Faith suggested.

Oops, sorry, as Hauke Fath suggested.

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#20508

David Morrison <davidmor@excite.com> wrote:

> Firstly, I do not like two or three pane interfaces. I prefer separate
> windows. I have about 20 e-mail accounts. In Mail, I have 20 accounts in
> the sidebar. To see a folder for an account, I have to scroll the 
> sidebar to the account, then click on the triangle to show the folders
> for the account. If it is a gmail account, I have to click on the 
> triangle next to [Gmail] and scroll down until I get the folder I want.
> (This is IMAP.) Then if I hide the account, it closes all those things
> again and I have to open them all again next time.

I can see what you mean, and Eudora is clearly much superior as an
industrial strength mailer, but as a simple user, two accounts, Mail
suits me absolutely fine.

I was used to the multiple pane setup of Eudora, but Mail's interface is
highly useable. The reason I stopped using Eudora was thast my ISP
changed their mail setup, and Eudora simply wouldn't conenct to their
new POP3 server, and although I changed the port numbers in the
Settings, Eudora wouldn't actually play. It turned out (discussing here)
that the Settings port changes weren't acted on, and the workaround was
too damn fiddly. It worked okay with IMAP, but I wanted to use POP3. And
Mail worked, as you might say, first pop. Worked with IMAP too...
-- 
Peter

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#20608

David Morrison <davidmor@excite.com> wrote:

> I liked how Eudora opened the mailbox window when any new messages were
> filtered into it. So you could have lots of unread messages in it 
> without being bothered. With Mail, you get the number of unread 
> messages, which doesn't tell you if there were any new ones in the last
> check.

I've set up a "smart" (hah!) mailbox to display all messages from all
accounts that are less than a certain age, so new messages show up
there.  It's a poor, kludgy work-around, and doesn't work quite as you
would expect, but it's better than nothing.

-- 
Kathy

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#20607

Peter Ceresole <peter@cara.demon.co.uk> wrote:

> David Morrison <davidmor@excite.com> wrote:
> 
> > I have been using Apple Mail in parallel with Eudora in a Parallels
> > virtual machine (Snow Leopard). Mail is usable like this, but 
> > frustrating in so many ways.
> 
> I'm doing that- running Mail, but with my historical Eudora
> installation, which I use less and less as time goes by. I can't see any
> real problems with Mail (using POP3). It works very well. As a matter of
> interest, what don't you like about Mail?

Huh! Just about everything.  Setting up filters is awkward and painfully
slow, and searching is really poor.  My biggest hate, though, is that I
can't make a delete-from-server/leave-on-server decision on an
individual message basis.

-- 
Kathy

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#20841

Peter Ceresole wrote:

> David Morrison <davidmor@excite.com> wrote:
>
>> I have been using Apple Mail in parallel with Eudora in a Parallels 
>> virtual machine (Snow Leopard). Mail is usable like this, but 
>> frustrating in so many ways.
>
> I'm doing that- running Mail, but with my historical Eudora
> installation, which I use less and less as time goes by. I can't see any
> real problems with Mail (using POP3). It works very well. As a matter of
> interest, what don't you like about Mail?

I had a devil of a job with Apple Mail late last year.  I'm sure it
wasn't always like this but when I add a new email, if it sees that it's
the same domain as an existing email address it uses the outgoing
username and password of that address, not the new one.

As it happened, at first my ISP wasn't checking that the outgoing
address matched the username/password combination.  When
they tightened that up I suddenly couldn't post from a load of those
addresses.

Yes you can go into the outgoing SMTP server settings and add a new
entry but it's a lousy user interface.  When you have a dozen or so
addresses to set up it is a real pain in the neck-

-- 
If you make it well enough, you give it immortality.” -- Ernest Hemingway

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#20847

In message <e77sra-dfd1.ln1@news.chingola.ch> 
  Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> wrote:
> Peter Ceresole wrote:

>> David Morrison <davidmor@excite.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I have been using Apple Mail in parallel with Eudora in a Parallels 
>>> virtual machine (Snow Leopard). Mail is usable like this, but 
>>> frustrating in so many ways.
>>
>> I'm doing that- running Mail, but with my historical Eudora
>> installation, which I use less and less as time goes by. I can't see any
>> real problems with Mail (using POP3). It works very well. As a matter of
>> interest, what don't you like about Mail?

> I had a devil of a job with Apple Mail late last year.  I'm sure it
> wasn't always like this but when I add a new email, if it sees that it's
> the same domain as an existing email address it uses the outgoing
> username and password of that address, not the new one.

> As it happened, at first my ISP wasn't checking that the outgoing
> address matched the username/password combination.  When
> they tightened that up I suddenly couldn't post from a load of those
> addresses.

Your ISP is run by morons. There is absolutely no reason to require that
the outgoing address match the authenticated user.

Get a new ISP. Oh, and never use your ISPs email servers anyway.

> Yes you can go into the outgoing SMTP server settings and add a new
> entry but it's a lousy user interface.  When you have a dozen or so
> addresses to set up it is a real pain in the neck-

The problem is not Mail.app nor Apple, the problem is the dumbasses you
allow to handle your mail.

-- 
So now you know the words to our song, pretty soon you'll all be singing
along, when you're sad, when you're lonely and it all turns out wrong...

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