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#43640 — Easy way to recover a file from the emptied Trash, without using Time Machine?

From	Tom Evans <tomevans9890@yahoo.ca>
Date	2018-11-08 19:16 -0800
Subject	Easy way to recover a file from the emptied Trash, without using Time Machine?
Message-ID	<2018110819162236801-tomevans9890@yahoo.ca>

What's an easy way to recover a file from the emptied Trash, without 
using Time Machine?

I found Disk Drill, from Cleverfiles.com, but I don't know if it's good.

Tom

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#43641

From	nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid>
Date	2018-11-08 22:18 -0500
Message-ID	<081120182218376294%nospam@nospam.invalid>
In reply to	#43640

In article <2018110819162236801-tomevans9890@yahoo.ca>, Tom Evans
<tomevans9890@yahoo.ca> wrote:

> What's an easy way to recover a file from the emptied Trash, without 
> using Time Machine?

use your other backup.

why don't you want to use time machine?

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#43648

From	Tom Evans <tomevans9890@yahoo.ca>
Date	2018-11-08 21:38 -0800
Message-ID	<2018110821380776063-tomevans9890@yahoo.ca>
In reply to	#43641

On 2018-11-09 03:18:37 +0000, nospam said:

> In article <2018110819162236801-tomevans9890@yahoo.ca>, Tom Evans
> <tomevans9890@yahoo.ca> wrote:
> 
>> What's an easy way to recover a file from the emptied Trash, without
>> using Time Machine?
> 
> use your other backup.
> 
> why don't you want to use time machine?

Given the fact that I haven't been using Time Machine, how can I 
recover that file that I emptied from the Trash can recently?

Tom

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#43654

From	nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid>
Date	2018-11-09 08:34 -0500
Message-ID	<091120180834291600%nospam@nospam.invalid>
In reply to	#43648

In article <2018110821380776063-tomevans9890@yahoo.ca>, Tom Evans
<tomevans9890@yahoo.ca> wrote:

> 
> Given the fact that I haven't been using Time Machine, how can I 
> recover that file that I emptied from the Trash can recently?

unless there's a still copy on one of your clones, you don't.

the advantage of time machine is that it keeps previous versions, even
if you delete something. thus, you can 'go back in time' to get it.

with a clone, when you delete something on the main drive, it's later
deleted on the clone. once it's gone, it's gone.

there are file recovery apps that *might* be able to recover a deleted
file, but that only works if the disk space it used has not been
overwritten with something else.

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#43656

From	Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com>
Date	2018-11-09 14:52 +0000
Message-ID	<g4lla1F83sfU1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to	#43648

On 2018-11-09, Tom Evans <tomevans9890@yahoo.ca> wrote:
> On 2018-11-09 03:18:37 +0000, nospam said:
>
>> In article <2018110819162236801-tomevans9890@yahoo.ca>, Tom Evans
>> <tomevans9890@yahoo.ca> wrote:
>> 
>>> What's an easy way to recover a file from the emptied Trash, without
>>> using Time Machine?
>> 
>> use your other backup.
>> 
>> why don't you want to use time machine?
>
> Given the fact that I haven't been using Time Machine

Why not? Time Machine is built into macOS, reliable, and free. You can
get a 1-2TB external drive for under $70 on Amazon or elsewhere.

> how can I recover that file that I emptied from the Trash can recently?

Without a backup? Not likely. Learn from this experience.

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#43677

From	Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com>
Date	2018-11-11 13:13 -0500
Message-ID	<8Kednf5jLYqv7HXGnZ2dnUU7-amdnZ2d@giganews.com>
In reply to	#43648

On 2018-11-09 00:38, Tom Evans wrote:
> On 2018-11-09 03:18:37 +0000, nospam said:
> 
>> In article <2018110819162236801-tomevans9890@yahoo.ca>, Tom Evans
>> <tomevans9890@yahoo.ca> wrote:
>>
>>> What's an easy way to recover a file from the emptied Trash, without
>>> using Time Machine?
>>
>> use your other backup.
>>
>> why don't you want to use time machine?
> 
> Given the fact that I haven't been using Time Machine, how can I recover 
> that file that I emptied from the Trash can recently?

Do you not backup at all?


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#43642

From	Tom Evans <tomevans9890@yahoo.ca>
Date	2018-11-08 19:34 -0800
Message-ID	<2018110819343545073-tomevans9890@yahoo.ca>
In reply to	#43640

On 2018-11-09 03:16:22 +0000, Tom Evans said:

> What's an easy way to recover a file from the emptied Trash, without 
> using Time Machine?
> 
> I found Disk Drill, from Cleverfiles.com, but I don't know if it's good.
> 
> Tom

I don't use Time Machine because it's confusing; in almost every case I 
wouldn't know what previous state to back up to, because I change 
multiple files mutiple times every day.

As a result, I might restore a file to the desired history state , 
while simultaneously rewinding too far back for  multiple other files 
at the same time, thereby losing days, weeks or even months of 
paintstaking work.

(I assume that Time Machine reverts to a previous state for all 
documents on the computer at once.)

Tom

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#43643

From	nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid>
Date	2018-11-08 22:36 -0500
Message-ID	<081120182236572295%nospam@nospam.invalid>
In reply to	#43642

In article <2018110819343545073-tomevans9890@yahoo.ca>, Tom Evans
<tomevans9890@yahoo.ca> wrote:

> I don't use Time Machine because it's confusing; in almost every case I 
> wouldn't know what previous state to back up to, because I change 
> multiple files mutiple times every day.

it's the easiest backup system, and you restore to whatever version
predates the change you want to undo. you can restore more than one
version too. 

> As a result, I might restore a file to the desired history state , 
> while simultaneously rewinding too far back for  multiple other files 
> at the same time, thereby losing days, weeks or even months of 
> paintstaking work.

not if you restore a single file.

> (I assume that Time Machine reverts to a previous state for all 
> documents on the computer at once.)

your assumption is incorrect.

it *can* do that, but usually, people retrieve a single file or folder.

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#43644

From	Tom Evans <tomevans9890@yahoo.ca>
Date	2018-11-08 20:09 -0800
Message-ID	<201811082009468910-tomevans9890@yahoo.ca>
In reply to	#43643

On 2018-11-09 03:36:57 +0000, nospam said:

> In article <2018110819343545073-tomevans9890@yahoo.ca>, Tom Evans
> <tomevans9890@yahoo.ca> wrote:
> 
>> I don't use Time Machine because it's confusing; in almost every case I
>> wouldn't know what previous state to back up to, because I change
>> multiple files mutiple times every day.
> 
> it's the easiest backup system, and you restore to whatever version
> predates the change you want to undo. you can restore more than one
> version too.
> 
>> As a result, I might restore a file to the desired history state ,
>> while simultaneously rewinding too far back for  multiple other files
>> at the same time, thereby losing days, weeks or even months of
>> paintstaking work.
> 
> not if you restore a single file.
> 
>> (I assume that Time Machine reverts to a previous state for all
>> documents on the computer at once.)
> 
> your assumption is incorrect.
> 
> it *can* do that, but usually, people retrieve a single file or folder.

I see.  Thanks, Nospam.

I just tried to set up Time Machine after reading your recommendation.

But the only two drives Time Machine shows are available for backing up 
onto are the two external drives that I use to mirror my Mac's data, 
using Super Duper.

Tom

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#43645

From	nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid>
Date	2018-11-08 23:18 -0500
Message-ID	<081120182318563430%nospam@nospam.invalid>
In reply to	#43644

In article <201811082009468910-tomevans9890@yahoo.ca>, Tom Evans
<tomevans9890@yahoo.ca> wrote:

> 
> But the only two drives Time Machine shows are available for backing up 
> onto are the two external drives that I use to mirror my Mac's data, 
> using Super Duper.

you'll need another drive.

you could repurpose one drive for time machine and keep the other for
superduper, as they each cover different types of failures, but that
also means you have one less clone.

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#43647

From	Tom Evans <tomevans9890@yahoo.ca>
Date	2018-11-08 21:36 -0800
Message-ID	<2018110821361164749-tomevans9890@yahoo.ca>
In reply to	#43645

On 2018-11-09 04:18:56 +0000, nospam said:

> In article <201811082009468910-tomevans9890@yahoo.ca>, Tom Evans
> <tomevans9890@yahoo.ca> wrote:
> 
>> 
>> But the only two drives Time Machine shows are available for backing up
>> onto are the two external drives that I use to mirror my Mac's data,
>> using Super Duper.
> 
> you'll need another drive.
> 
> you could repurpose one drive for time machine and keep the other for
> superduper, as they each cover different types of failures, but that
> also means you have one less clone.

Thanks, Nospam.

Yes, I thought that, too.

I don't know if I could use a third back-up drive; all four of my Mac's 
USB ports are being used.

Tom

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#43653

From	nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid>
Date	2018-11-09 08:34 -0500
Message-ID	<091120180834281559%nospam@nospam.invalid>
In reply to	#43647

In article <2018110821361164749-tomevans9890@yahoo.ca>, Tom Evans
<tomevans9890@yahoo.ca> wrote:

> I don't know if I could use a third back-up drive; all four of my Mac's 
> USB ports are being used.

get a usb hub, or disconnect one drive to use another.

it's best to *not* have backup drives always connected in case
something goes wrong.

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#43659

From	Tom Evans <tomevans9890@yahoo.ca>
Date	2018-11-09 08:18 -0800
Message-ID	<2018110908184012894-tomevans9890@yahoo.ca>
In reply to	#43653

On 2018-11-09 13:34:28 +0000, nospam said:

> In article <2018110821361164749-tomevans9890@yahoo.ca>, Tom Evans
> <tomevans9890@yahoo.ca> wrote:
> 
>> I don't know if I could use a third back-up drive; all four of my Mac's
>> USB ports are being used.
> 
> get a usb hub, or disconnect one drive to use another.

Thanks, Nospam.

I have a seven-port, powered Anker USB hub.  I didn't know that could 
be used well for an external drive.  In the past, not all devices 
worked when I plugged them into a USB hub.  Maybe it was because the 
hub I used years ago was an older one that wasn't powered.

> it's best to *not* have backup drives always connected in case
> something goes wrong.

I guess in that case I'd have to plug the drives in every night before 
going to bed (so the back-ups could run still automatcially every 
night) and then every morning ejecting the drives' icons in case 
something goes wrong during the days.

Tom

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#43660

From	nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid>
Date	2018-11-09 11:32 -0500
Message-ID	<091120181132081140%nospam@nospam.invalid>
In reply to	#43659

In article <2018110908184012894-tomevans9890@yahoo.ca>, Tom Evans
<tomevans9890@yahoo.ca> wrote:

> I have a seven-port, powered Anker USB hub.  I didn't know that could 
> be used well for an external drive. In the past, not all devices 
> worked when I plugged them into a USB hub. 

they will if they're all usb compliant devices, including the hub
itself.

> Maybe it was because the 
> hub I used years ago was an older one that wasn't powered.

that will be a problem with bus-powered hard drives because the hub
can't provide enough power.

for drives that have their own power source, that shouldn't matter.

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#43661

From	Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com>
Date	2018-11-09 16:56 +0000
Message-ID	<g4lsilF9js2U1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to	#43659

On 2018-11-09, Tom Evans <tomevans9890@yahoo.ca> wrote:
> On 2018-11-09 13:34:28 +0000, nospam said:
>
>> In article <2018110821361164749-tomevans9890@yahoo.ca>, Tom Evans
>> <tomevans9890@yahoo.ca> wrote:
>> 
>>> I don't know if I could use a third back-up drive; all four of my Mac's
>>> USB ports are being used.
>> 
>> get a usb hub, or disconnect one drive to use another.
>
> Thanks, Nospam.
>
> I have a seven-port, powered Anker USB hub.  I didn't know that could 
> be used well for an external drive.  In the past, not all devices 
> worked when I plugged them into a USB hub.  Maybe it was because the 
> hub I used years ago was an older one that wasn't powered.
>
>> it's best to *not* have backup drives always connected in case
>> something goes wrong.
>
> I guess in that case I'd have to plug the drives in every night before 
> going to bed (so the back-ups could run still automatcially every 
> night) and then every morning ejecting the drives' icons in case 
> something goes wrong during the days.

Meh. Personally, I'd just leave the Time Machine drive connected all the
time. Time Machine will happily back up to it hourly during the day,
saving all revisions of files that change along the way. If the drive is
dedicated to only backups and you don't mess with it at all in your
daily work (which is how I recommend you treat all backup drives), then
I wouldn't worry too much about the drive experiencing corruption simply
due to being connected. You can, of course, disconnect and remove a
Time Machine backup drive, and Time Machine will keep track of changes
that you make in the mean time, and automatically back those changes up
the next time you connect it again. But the big drawback is if your hard
drive dies or some other problem happens before you connect the drive
again, those changes may be lost. And since you have already said you
have a second SuperDuper backup, leaving the Time Machine drive
connected all the time is a no-brainer, IMHO.

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#43664

From	Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com>
Date	2018-11-10 09:31 +1300
Message-ID	<ps4qrd$1f01$1@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to	#43659

On 2018-11-09 16:18:40 +0000, Tom Evans said:

> On 2018-11-09 13:34:28 +0000, nospam said:
> 
>> In article <2018110821361164749-tomevans9890@yahoo.ca>, Tom Evans
>> <tomevans9890@yahoo.ca> wrote:
>> 
>>> I don't know if I could use a third back-up drive; all four of my Mac's
>>> USB ports are being used.
>> 
>> get a usb hub, or disconnect one drive to use another.
> 
> Thanks, Nospam.
> 
> I have a seven-port, powered Anker USB hub.  I didn't know that could 
> be used well for an external drive.  In the past, not all devices 
> worked when I plugged them into a USB hub.  Maybe it was because the 
> hub I used years ago was an older one that wasn't powered.

You can plug USB external drives into many internet modem/routers or 
some drives can be connected to your network wirelessly, but Time 
Macine can be a bit picky about the ones it will happily work with.

>> it's best to *not* have backup drives always connected in case
>> something goes wrong.
> 
> I guess in that case I'd have to plug the drives in every night before 
> going to bed (so the back-ups could run still automatcially every 
> night) and then every morning ejecting the drives' icons in case 
> something goes wrong during the days.

The best approach (that almost no home user does) is to have at least 
two drives, which you alternate, say every Friday, and taking the 
swapped-out drive off-site. That way, even if your house burns down, 
you'll still have a backup somewhere else that is at worst a week old.

Even better is to also add in an online cloud backup, but that can be 
difficult if you've got a slow or data capped internet connection, and 
the initial backup will take longer than to a local drive.

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#43665

From	Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net>
Date	2018-11-09 20:45 +0000
Message-ID	<091120182045296450%timstreater@greenbee.net>
In reply to	#43664

In article <ps4qrd$1f01$1@gioia.aioe.org>, Your Name
<YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:

>The best approach (that almost no home user does) is to have at least 
>two drives, which you alternate, say every Friday, and taking the 
>swapped-out drive off-site. That way, even if your house burns down, 
>you'll still have a backup somewhere else that is at worst a week old.

Most users won't have a clue what you are talking about, if you mention
backup. Some users don't know what double-clicking is. Others seem to
think the machine is a glorified typewriter, so when they finish a doc
they hit Return 20 times like they used to do, as if they expect the
doc to scroll out of the top of the screen on a bit of paper. Then they
knock on my door and ask why the printer outputs a blank sheet after
their doc.

They also do all their document layout using the space bar and the
built in tabs, and wonder why the layout is fragile in terms of,
f'rinstance, changing paper size, and looks like shit. I've even seen
multi-column layouts done entirely with spaces and tabs, in PageMaker,
FFS.

And there was one user who insisted on having all the formatting bars
open at all times when using Word. So that there was about an inch of
vertical space left for the document.

I've given up worrying about users who don't know their arse from a
hole in the ground.

-- 
"Once you adopt the unix paradigm, the variants cease to be a problem - you
bitch, of course, but that's because bitching is fun, unlike M$ OS's, where 
bitching is required to keep your head from exploding." - S Stremler in afc

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#43668

From	Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies>
Date	2018-11-09 23:08 +0000
Message-ID	<slrnpuc4rs.2eks.g.kreme@jaka.local>
In reply to	#43665

In message <091120182045296450%timstreater@greenbee.net> Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> wrote:
> In article <ps4qrd$1f01$1@gioia.aioe.org>, Your Name
> <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:

>>The best approach (that almost no home user does) is to have at least 
>>two drives, which you alternate, say every Friday, and taking the 
>>swapped-out drive off-site. That way, even if your house burns down, 
>>you'll still have a backup somewhere else that is at worst a week old.

No, this is not the best approach because it requires doing something on
a regular schedule, and people are terrible at that.

The best solution for an offsite backup is to suck it up and spend $5 a
month on Backblaze.

> I've given up worrying about users who don't know their arse from a
> hole in the ground.

I have been known to stealth install backblaze on someone computer to
save me future aggrivation.


-- 
Where there is a party, everyone is there
Everyone will leave at exactly the same time
When this party is over it will start again
But not been any different be exactly the same

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#43672

From	Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com>
Date	2018-11-10 01:13 +0000
Message-ID	<g4mpm4FftsaU1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to	#43668

On 2018-11-09, Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:
> In message <091120182045296450%timstreater@greenbee.net> Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> wrote:
>> In article <ps4qrd$1f01$1@gioia.aioe.org>, Your Name
>> <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:
>
>>>The best approach (that almost no home user does) is to have at least 
>>>two drives, which you alternate, say every Friday, and taking the 
>>>swapped-out drive off-site. That way, even if your house burns down, 
>>>you'll still have a backup somewhere else that is at worst a week old.
>
> No, this is not the best approach because it requires doing something on
> a regular schedule, and people are terrible at that.

Nah. That's what reminders / calendar events are for.

> The best solution for an offsite backup is to suck it up and spend $5 a
> month on Backblaze.

No thanks. The aforementioned solution is free of charge.

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#43673 — Re: Easy way to recover a file from the emptied Trash, without using Time Machine?

From	"John Varela" <newlamps@verizon.net>
Date	2018-11-10 21:01 +0000
Subject	Re: Easy way to recover a file from the emptied Trash, without using Time Machine?
Message-ID	<51W5y0sPNk52-pn2-vH3UzuqKBZGd@localhost>
In reply to	#43668

On Fri, 9 Nov 2018 23:08:44 UTC, Lewis 
<g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:

> In message <091120182045296450%timstreater@greenbee.net> Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> wrote:
> > In article <ps4qrd$1f01$1@gioia.aioe.org>, Your Name
> > <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:
> 
> >>The best approach (that almost no home user does) is to have at least 
> >>two drives, which you alternate, say every Friday, and taking the 
> >>swapped-out drive off-site. That way, even if your house burns down, 
> >>you'll still have a backup somewhere else that is at worst a week old.
> 
> No, this is not the best approach because it requires doing something on
> a regular schedule, and people are terrible at that.

You're right about that.  I have a pair of drives for cloning than I
nominally alternate using on the first and middle day of the month. 
I'm typically a week late.  Once in a while I forget entirely.

One of the clone drives is always in the trunk of the car, and the 
most recent clone is on my desk not connected to anything unless 
actually in use, which is pretty much never except when cloning.

In addition I have Time Machine, and all of my important files 
(photos, spreadsheets, etc.) are duplicated on Dropbox.  

> The best solution for an offsite backup is to suck it up and spend $5 a
> month on Backblaze.
> 
> > I've given up worrying about users who don't know their arse from a
> > hole in the ground.
> 
> I have been known to stealth install backblaze on someone computer to
> save me future aggrivation.
> 
> 

-- 
John Varela

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