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  Strange mail.app problem Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-02-05 11:50 -0700
    Re: Strange mail.app problem John McWilliams <jpmcw@comcast.net> - 2014-02-05 11:13 -0800
      Re: Strange mail.app problem Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-02-05 12:22 -0700
    Re: Strange mail.app problem claudel@sonic.net (Claude V. Lucas) - 2014-02-05 21:25 +0000
      Re: Strange mail.app problem billy@MIX.COM - 2014-02-05 21:59 +0000
        Re: Strange mail.app problem Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-02-05 22:10 +0000
          Re: Strange mail.app problem Tim McNamara <timmcn@bitstream.net> - 2014-02-05 18:23 -0600
            Re: Strange mail.app problem Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-02-06 00:34 +0000
          Re: Strange mail.app problem claudel@sonic.net (Claude V. Lucas) - 2014-02-06 13:23 +0000
            Re: Strange mail.app problem Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-02-06 16:19 +0000
              Re: Strange mail.app problem claudel@sonic.net (Claude V. Lucas) - 2014-02-06 16:48 +0000
        Re: Strange mail.app problem billy@MIX.COM - 2014-02-25 19:07 +0000
      Re: Strange mail.app problem Fred McKenzie <fmmck@aol.com> - 2014-02-06 23:16 -0500
        Re: Strange mail.app problem Calum <com.gmail@nospam.scottishwildcat> - 2014-02-07 20:30 +0000
          Re: Strange mail.app problem nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-02-07 18:43 -0500

#20924 — Strange mail.app problem

The Trash mailbox icon shows one unread message, but when I look at the
list of messages in the trash folder/mailbox, none of the messages are
marked as being unread.

Rebuilding the mailbox doesn't help.  I checked the account on line,
and all the messages in the trash mailbox/folder are only on the
computer and not on the IMAP server.

Anyone have an idea of what is going on?

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#20927

On 2/5/14   PDT, 10:50 AM, Michelle Steiner wrote:
> The Trash mailbox icon shows one unread message, but when I look at the
> list of messages in the trash folder/mailbox, none of the messages are
> marked as being unread.
>
> Rebuilding the mailbox doesn't help.  I checked the account on line,
> and all the messages in the trash mailbox/folder are only on the
> computer and not on the IMAP server.
>
> Anyone have an idea of what is going on?
>
No idea. My Mail is acting Bolshy, too.

For the "unread" message, Select All, Cmd-Shift-U (marks all read or unread)

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#20928

In article <lcu2go$6jj$1@dont-email.me>, John McWilliams
<jpmcw@comcast.net> wrote:

> For the "unread" message, Select All, Cmd-Shift-U (marks all read or unread)

Thanks.  I used the contextual menu to mark all as read.  That seems to
have solved the problem.

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#20932

In article <050220141150456544%michelle@michelle.org>,
Michelle Steiner  <michelle@michelle.org> wrote:
>The Trash mailbox icon shows one unread message, but when I look at the
>list of messages in the trash folder/mailbox, none of the messages are
>marked as being unread.
>
>Rebuilding the mailbox doesn't help.  I checked the account on line,
>and all the messages in the trash mailbox/folder are only on the
>computer and not on the IMAP server.
>
>Anyone have an idea of what is going on?

Mail.app has been downright weird since the Mavericks upgrade for me.

The download bar shows many more messages being downloaded than actually arrive.

Sometimes it wont let me move messages from one folder to another.

A few other minor things that escape me at the moment.

Needs some work.

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#20937

In comp.sys.mac.apps Claude V. Lucas <claudel@sonic.net> wrote:

> Mail.app has been downright weird since the Mavericks upgrade for me.

I can't use it, at all.  And, I have the very same MTA (server)
(Oracle's Convergence) that Apple itself uses.

> Needs some work.

Yes, it definitely does.

Billy Y..
-- 
        sub     #'9+1   ,r0             ; convert ascii byte
	add     #9.+1   ,r0             ; to an integer
	bcc     20$                     ; not a number

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#20938

On 2014-02-05, billy@MIX.COM <billy@MIX.COM> wrote:
> In comp.sys.mac.apps Claude V. Lucas <claudel@sonic.net> wrote:
>
>> Mail.app has been downright weird since the Mavericks upgrade for me.
>
> I can't use it, at all.  And, I have the very same MTA (server)
> (Oracle's Convergence) that Apple itself uses.
>
>> Needs some work.
>
> Yes, it definitely does.

And then there are people like me who have been using it for years, yes,
even with 10.9...

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JR

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#20944

On 5 Feb 2014 22:10:24 GMT, Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
> On 2014-02-05, billy@MIX.COM <billy@MIX.COM> wrote:
>> In comp.sys.mac.apps Claude V. Lucas <claudel@sonic.net> wrote:
>>
>>> Mail.app has been downright weird since the Mavericks upgrade for 
>>> me.
>>
>> I can't use it, at all.  And, I have the very same MTA (server) 
>> (Oracle's Convergence) that Apple itself uses.
>>
>>> Needs some work.
>>
>> Yes, it definitely does.
>
> And then there are people like me who have been using it for years, 
> yes, even with 10.9...

I've been using it all along since 10.0.1, but there are things about 
Mail that are hinky.  It doesn't quite thread correctly, there are weird 
things that happen resulting in a thread having the wrong subject line, 
and it has never quite conformed with Unix keyboard standards for going 
through messages.  But it's still better IMHO than any of the 
alternative mail applications... which says something about the state of 
e-mail on Mac OS.

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#20945

On 2014-02-06, Tim McNamara <timmcn@bitstream.net> wrote:
> On 5 Feb 2014 22:10:24 GMT, Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
>> On 2014-02-05, billy@MIX.COM <billy@MIX.COM> wrote:
>>> In comp.sys.mac.apps Claude V. Lucas <claudel@sonic.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Mail.app has been downright weird since the Mavericks upgrade for 
>>>> me.
>>>
>>> I can't use it, at all.  And, I have the very same MTA (server) 
>>> (Oracle's Convergence) that Apple itself uses.
>>>
>>>> Needs some work.
>>>
>>> Yes, it definitely does.
>>
>> And then there are people like me who have been using it for years, 
>> yes, even with 10.9...
>
> I've been using it all along since 10.0.1, but there are things about 
> Mail that are hinky.  It doesn't quite thread correctly, there are weird 
> things that happen resulting in a thread having the wrong subject line, 
> and it has never quite conformed with Unix keyboard standards for going 
> through messages.  But it's still better IMHO than any of the 
> alternative mail applications... which says something about the state of 
> e-mail on Mac OS.

Right. I didn't say it was without issue. All software has issues. Even
with its issues, however, I've never considered it to be completely
unusable as indicated  above.

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JR

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#20960

In article <blfr6gF6ctvU3@mid.individual.net>,
Jolly Roger  <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
>On 2014-02-05, billy@MIX.COM <billy@MIX.COM> wrote:
>> In comp.sys.mac.apps Claude V. Lucas <claudel@sonic.net> wrote:
>>
>>> Mail.app has been downright weird since the Mavericks upgrade for me.
>>
>> I can't use it, at all.  And, I have the very same MTA (server)
>> (Oracle's Convergence) that Apple itself uses.
>>
>>> Needs some work.
>>
>> Yes, it definitely does.
>
>And then there are people like me who have been using it for years, yes,
>even with 10.9...
>

Aren't you wonderful?

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#20967

On 2014-02-06, Claude V. Lucas <claudel@sonic.net> wrote:
> In article <blfr6gF6ctvU3@mid.individual.net>,
> Jolly Roger  <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
>>On 2014-02-05, billy@MIX.COM <billy@MIX.COM> wrote:
>>> In comp.sys.mac.apps Claude V. Lucas <claudel@sonic.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Mail.app has been downright weird since the Mavericks upgrade for me.
>>>
>>> I can't use it, at all.  And, I have the very same MTA (server)
>>> (Oracle's Convergence) that Apple itself uses.
>>>
>>>> Needs some work.
>>>
>>> Yes, it definitely does.
>>
>>And then there are people like me who have been using it for years, yes,
>>even with 10.9...
>
> Aren't you wonderful?

Nope. Nothing out of the ordinary. I'm just pointing out that Mail works
for lots people using it. It does have its flaws (as all software does),
but most people simply are not drastically inconvenienced by it.

-- 
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I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead.

JR

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#20971

In article <blhr0pFj6dqU3@mid.individual.net>,
Jolly Roger  <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
>On 2014-02-06, Claude V. Lucas <claudel@sonic.net> wrote:
>> In article <blfr6gF6ctvU3@mid.individual.net>,
>> Jolly Roger  <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
>>>On 2014-02-05, billy@MIX.COM <billy@MIX.COM> wrote:
>>>> In comp.sys.mac.apps Claude V. Lucas <claudel@sonic.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Mail.app has been downright weird since the Mavericks upgrade for me.
>>>>
>>>> I can't use it, at all.  And, I have the very same MTA (server)
>>>> (Oracle's Convergence) that Apple itself uses.
>>>>
>>>>> Needs some work.
>>>>
>>>> Yes, it definitely does.
>>>
>>>And then there are people like me who have been using it for years, yes,
>>>even with 10.9...
>>
>> Aren't you wonderful?
>
>Nope. Nothing out of the ordinary. I'm just pointing out that Mail works
>for lots people using it. It does have its flaws (as all software does),
>but most people simply are not drastically inconvenienced by it.
>

I've been using it for years as well.

Mavericks "upgrade" for Mail seems to have more issues ranging 
in severity from merely annoying to making it unusable for some
than previous versions. 

I've read rumors, taken with the usual grain of salt, that fixing 
the various new Mail.app problems is absorbing so much programming
bandwidth that more serious issues ( to me ) like the problems
with audio devices on the new Haswell machines are being back-burnered...

There's the inconvienience for me...

I'm sure it'll all get sorted out, hopefully during my life...

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#21259

In comp.sys.mac.apps I wrote, quoting
Claude V. Lucas <claudel@sonic.net>:

> > Mail.app has been downright weird since the Mavericks upgrade for me.
> 
> I can't use it, at all.  And, I have the very same MTA (server)
> (Oracle's Convergence) that Apple itself uses.
> 
> > Needs some work.
> 
> Yes, it definitely does.

I haven't tried it yet, and am not likely to as I've since found
that MailMate is a truly excellent user agent (only the second
program that's good enough to get a free ad on my web site), but
I see in the 10.9.2 release notes that it -

| Resolves an issue that prevented Mail from receiving new messages
| from certain providers

So -- those of you having trouble with Apple Mail might want to
give this a shot.

Billy Y..
-- 
        sub     #'9+1   ,r0             ; convert ascii byte
	add     #9.+1   ,r0             ; to an integer
	bcc     20$                     ; not a number

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#20985

In article <52f2ac3c$0$52826$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net>,
 claudel@sonic.net (Claude V. Lucas) wrote:

> Mail.app has been downright weird since the Mavericks upgrade for me.

My impression is that they re-wrote at least part of Mail.app, trying to 
make the user interface appear unchanged.

One change I noticed immediately, was that reading a copy of a message 
saved in a mailbox, causes it to be marked as read anywhere else a copy 
exists.  My opinion is that when you put a copy of a message into 
another location, it is now a different document, not merely an alias.

The reverse is not the case, since marking a message as unread does not 
change its state in other locations.

Other weird events may be due to my ISP, it is hard to tell.  For 
example, a day after a message was sent, a copy will sometimes appear in 
the Draft folder.

I can delete a message, change folders, change back to the previous 
folder, and find the deleted message still there.  It is necessary to 
wait for all transactions with the mail server to be completed before 
changing folders, for the deletion to "take".

Fred

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#20996

On 07/02/2014 04:16, Fred McKenzie wrote:
> In article <52f2ac3c$0$52826$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net>,
>   claudel@sonic.net (Claude V. Lucas) wrote:
>
>> Mail.app has been downright weird since the Mavericks upgrade for me.
>
> My impression is that they re-wrote at least part of Mail.app, trying to
> make the user interface appear unchanged.

They certainly significantly reworked the way they handle Gmail IMAP 
accounts, so they no longer have to download multiple copies of any 
email that has multiple labels. Wouldn't be at all surprised if that 
caused knock-on effects/bugs like the one you described.

-- 
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#21000

In article <ld3fp0$n0r$1@speranza.aioe.org>, Calum
<com.gmail@nospam.scottishwildcat> wrote:

> >> Mail.app has been downright weird since the Mavericks upgrade for me.
> >
> > My impression is that they re-wrote at least part of Mail.app, trying to
> > make the user interface appear unchanged.
> 
> They certainly significantly reworked the way they handle Gmail IMAP 
> accounts, so they no longer have to download multiple copies of any 
> email that has multiple labels. Wouldn't be at all surprised if that 
> caused knock-on effects/bugs like the one you described.

and they did a very poor job of it.

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