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How do I get the google window back in Safari?

Started byDavid Downing <david.h.downing@gmail.com>
First post2014-01-17 08:50 -0800
Last post2014-01-25 19:49 -0500
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  How do I get the google window back in Safari? David Downing <david.h.downing@gmail.com> - 2014-01-17 08:50 -0800
    Re: How do I get the google window back in Safari? Ted Lee <tmplee@gmail.com> - 2014-01-17 11:06 -0600
      Re: How do I get the google window back in Safari? isw <isw@witzend.com> - 2014-01-17 09:53 -0800
        Re: How do I get the google window back in Safari? Michael Vilain <vilain@NOspamcop.net> - 2014-01-17 10:15 -0800
          Re: How do I get the google window back in Safari? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-01-17 14:30 -0500
            Re: How do I get the google window back in Safari? Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> - 2014-01-17 16:28 -0500
      Re: How do I get the google window back in Safari? nicknaym@_remove_this_gmail.com.invalid (Nick Naym) - 2014-01-17 18:44 -0500
      Re: How do I get the google window back in Safari? Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> - 2014-01-18 15:39 +0000
        Re: How do I get the google window back in Safari? Joe Wolf Dee <joedid@email.com> - 2014-01-18 10:58 -0500
          Re: How do I get the google window back in Safari? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-01-18 11:21 -0500
        Re: How do I get the google window back in Safari? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-01-19 01:36 +0000
          Re: How do I get the google window back in Safari? Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> - 2014-01-19 02:56 +0000
            Re: How do I get the google window back in Safari? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-01-19 04:17 +0000
              Re: How do I get the google window back in Safari? Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-01-19 09:01 +0000
                Re: How do I get the google window back in Safari? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-01-19 18:48 +0000
                  Re: How do I get the google window back in Safari? Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-01-19 21:20 +0000
              Re: How do I get the google window back in Safari? Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> - 2014-01-19 14:14 -0500
                Re: How do I get the google window back in Safari? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-01-19 15:47 -0500
              Re: How do I get the google window back in Safari? Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> - 2014-01-19 22:32 +0000
                Re: How do I get the google window back in Safari? Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> - 2014-01-20 02:22 -0500
                  Re: How do I get the google window back in Safari? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-01-20 04:00 -0500
                    Re: How do I get the google window back in Safari? Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> - 2014-01-20 15:27 +0000
                      Re: How do I get the google window back in Safari? Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2014-01-20 15:42 +0000
                        Re: How do I get the google window back in Safari? erilar <drache@chibardun.net.invalid> - 2014-01-20 15:50 -0600
                      Re: How do I get the google window back in Safari? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-01-20 10:45 -0500
                      Re: How do I get the google window back in Safari? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-01-20 18:29 +0000
                        Re: How do I get the google window back in Safari? Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> - 2014-01-20 13:59 -0500
                          Re: How do I get the google window back in Safari? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-01-20 19:40 +0000
                        Re: How do I get the google window back in Safari? Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2014-01-20 19:09 +0000
                          Re: How do I get the google window back in Safari? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-01-20 19:40 +0000
                            Re: How do I get the google window back in Safari? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-01-20 14:58 -0500
                              Re: How do I get the google window back in Safari? Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> - 2014-01-20 15:53 -0500
                                Re: How do I get the google window back in Safari? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-01-20 16:28 -0500
                                Re: How do I get the google window back in Safari? Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2014-01-20 23:13 +0000
                                Re: How do I get the google window back in Safari? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-01-21 01:53 +0000
                          Re: How do I get the google window back in Safari? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-01-20 14:58 -0500
                          Re: How do I get the google window back in Safari? Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-01-22 08:30 +0000
                            Re: How do I get the google window back in Safari? Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2014-01-22 10:50 +0000
                              Re: How do I get the google window back in Safari? Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> - 2014-01-22 10:23 -0500
                                Re: How do I get the google window back in Safari? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-01-22 16:19 +0000
                            Re: How do I get the google window back in Safari? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-01-22 16:18 +0000
                              Re: How do I get the google window back in Safari? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-01-22 16:21 +0000
                                Re: How do I get the google window back in Safari? Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2014-01-22 16:39 +0000
                                  Re: How do I get the google window back in Safari? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-01-22 16:47 +0000
                                    Re: How do I get the google window back in Safari? Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2014-01-22 17:06 +0000
                              Re: How do I get the google window back in Safari? Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-01-22 16:56 -0700
                                Re: How do I get the google window back in Safari? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-01-23 00:12 +0000
                        Re: How do I get the google window back in Safari? "D.F. Manno" <dfmanno@mail.com> - 2014-01-20 16:11 -0500
                          Re: How do I get the google window back in Safari? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-01-20 16:28 -0500
                            Re: How do I get the google window back in Safari? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-01-21 01:52 +0000
                              Re: How do I get the google window back in Safari? Kevin McMurtrie <mcmurtrie@pixelmemory.us> - 2014-01-20 18:05 -0800
                                Re: How do I get the google window back in Safari? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-01-21 02:20 +0000
                                  Re: How do I get the google window back in Safari? Kevin McMurtrie <mcmurtrie@pixelmemory.us> - 2014-01-20 22:49 -0800
                                    Re: How do I get the google window back in Safari? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-01-21 14:00 +0000
                                Re: How do I get the google window back in Safari? Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-01-22 08:45 +0000
                                Re: How do I get the google window back in Safari? billy@MIX.COM - 2014-01-24 18:31 +0000
                              Re: How do I get the google window back in Safari? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-01-20 21:37 -0500
                                Re: How do I get the google window back in Safari? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-01-21 02:52 +0000
                                  Re: How do I get the google window back in Safari? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-01-21 04:46 -0500
                                    Re: How do I get the google window back in Safari? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-01-21 14:21 +0000
                          Re: How do I get the google window back in Safari? erilar <drache@chibardun.net.invalid> - 2014-01-20 15:47 -0600
                          Re: How do I get the google window back in Safari? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-01-21 01:46 +0000
                            Re: How do I get the google window back in Safari? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-01-20 21:37 -0500
                              Re: How do I get the google window back in Safari? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-01-21 02:41 +0000
                                Re: How do I get the google window back in Safari? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-01-20 21:43 -0500
                                  Re: How do I get the google window back in Safari? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-01-21 02:55 +0000
                                  Re: How do I get the google window back in Safari? Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> - 2014-01-21 10:39 -0500
                            Re: How do I get the google window back in Safari? "D.F. Manno" <dfmanno@mail.com> - 2014-01-21 22:07 -0500
                          Re: How do I get the google window back in Safari? Jim Jaeger <jimjaeger@example.com> - 2014-01-20 22:28 -0800
                          Re: How do I get the google window back in Safari? Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-01-22 08:41 +0000
                      Re: How do I get the google window back in Safari? dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2014-01-21 12:20 +1300
                    Re: How do I get the google window back in Safari? isw <isw@witzend.com> - 2014-01-20 10:15 -0800
                    Re: How do I get the google window back in Safari? billy@MIX.COM - 2014-01-24 17:41 +0000
                      Re: How do I get the google window back in Safari? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-01-25 19:49 -0500

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#20543

Fromnospam <nospam@nospam.invalid>
Date2014-01-20 04:00 -0500
Message-ID<200120140400403206%nospam@nospam.invalid>
In reply to#20542
In article <barmar-4A975E.02223520012014@news.eternal-september.org>,
Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> wrote:

> > It's just a minor irritant added to the major ones, but it's yet another
> > "you're not smart enough to deal with more than one option" statement.
> 
> But lots of Mac users *aren't* smart enough! Remember the old slogan, 
> the "computer for the rest of us"? My mother, for example, would always 
> try to enter search terms in the address bar.
> 
> Other browsers have done this for years, Apple finally caught on. It's 
> not really a matter of "we're smarter than you", it's "why do you need 
> two fields when it's easy to tell a URL from a search string?"

just because other browsers get it wrong doesn't mean apple should as
well. it sucks in firefox too. the two fields are for different things.

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#20545

FromErilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid>
Date2014-01-20 15:27 +0000
Message-ID<lbjf8p$5fn$2@dont-email.me>
In reply to#20543
nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
> In article <barmar-4A975E.02223520012014@news.eternal-september.org>,
> Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> wrote:
> 
>>> It's just a minor irritant added to the major ones, but it's yet another
>>> "you're not smart enough to deal with more than one option" statement.
>> 
>> But lots of Mac users *aren't* smart enough! Remember the old slogan, 
>> the "computer for the rest of us"? My mother, for example, would always 
>> try to enter search terms in the address bar.
>> 
>> Other browsers have done this for years, Apple finally caught on. It's 
>> not really a matter of "we're smarter than you", it's "why do you need 
>> two fields when it's easy to tell a URL from a search string?"
> 
> just because other browsers get it wrong doesn't mean apple should as
> well. it sucks in firefox too. the two fields are for different things.

It's hard to back up that far, but it seems to me beginners would find a
slot that SAYS "search" friendlier.
 I can deal with either, but I find so many "improvements" insulting.

-- 
Erilar, biblioholic medievalist with iPad

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#20546

FromTim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net>
Date2014-01-20 15:42 +0000
Message-ID<200120141542023016%timstreater@greenbee.net>
In reply to#20545
In article <lbjf8p$5fn$2@dont-email.me>, Erilar
<drache@chibardun.netinvalid> wrote:

> nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:

> > just because other browsers get it wrong doesn't mean apple should as
> > well. it sucks in firefox too. the two fields are for different things.
> 
> It's hard to back up that far, but it seems to me beginners would find a
> slot that SAYS "search" friendlier.
>  I can deal with either, but I find so many "improvements" insulting.

How would it be if you could choose other approach, set in the Prefs?
(mind you, so few people have any natural curiosity that it prolly
wouldn't occur to beginners to look there).

-- 
Tim

"That excessive bail ought not to be required, nor excessive fines imposed,
nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted"  --  Bill of Rights 1689

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#20568

Fromerilar <drache@chibardun.net.invalid>
Date2014-01-20 15:50 -0600
Message-ID<drache-B273F2.15505220012014@news.eternal-september.org>
In reply to#20546
In article <200120141542023016%timstreater@greenbee.net>,
 Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> wrote:

> In article <lbjf8p$5fn$2@dont-email.me>, Erilar
> <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> wrote:
> 
> > nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
> 
> > > just because other browsers get it wrong doesn't mean apple should as
> > > well. it sucks in firefox too. the two fields are for different things.
> > 
> > It's hard to back up that far, but it seems to me beginners would find a
> > slot that SAYS "search" friendlier.
> >  I can deal with either, but I find so many "improvements" insulting.
> 
> How would it be if you could choose other approach, set in the Prefs?
> (mind you, so few people have any natural curiosity that it prolly
> wouldn't occur to beginners to look there).

I don't have to, because I can't "up"grade to Mavericks anyway; it would 
destroy too much and not let me sync without the $%^^#*(^&*) cloud.

-- 
Erilar, biblioholic medievalist

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#20548

Fromnospam <nospam@nospam.invalid>
Date2014-01-20 10:45 -0500
Message-ID<200120141045445212%nospam@nospam.invalid>
In reply to#20545
In article <lbjf8p$5fn$2@dont-email.me>, Erilar
<drache@chibardun.netinvalid> wrote:

> It's hard to back up that far, but it seems to me beginners would find a
> slot that SAYS "search" friendlier.
>  I can deal with either, but I find so many "improvements" insulting.

i don't find it insulting, just a big dent in productivity.

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#20551

FromJolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com>
Date2014-01-20 18:29 +0000
Message-ID<bk588gF4k42U1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#20545
On 2014-01-20, Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> wrote:
> nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
>> In article <barmar-4A975E.02223520012014@news.eternal-september.org>,
>> Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> wrote:
>> 
>>>> It's just a minor irritant added to the major ones, but it's yet
>>>> another "you're not smart enough to deal with more than one option"
>>>> statement.

Strange outlook you have there. The first time I encountered the
combined search/location field, I though to myself: Neat. Now I don't
have to make a selection depending on what I want to do. This will save
me time. And it has indeed saved me time. So I'm happy with it.

>>> But lots of Mac users *aren't* smart enough! Remember the old slogan, 
>>> the "computer for the rest of us"? My mother, for example, would always 
>>> try to enter search terms in the address bar.
>>> 
>>> Other browsers have done this for years, Apple finally caught on. It's 
>>> not really a matter of "we're smarter than you", it's "why do you need 
>>> two fields when it's easy to tell a URL from a search string?"
>> 
>> just because other browsers get it wrong doesn't mean apple should as
>> well. it sucks in firefox too. the two fields are for different things.
>
> It's hard to back up that far, but it seems to me beginners would find a
> slot that SAYS "search" friendlier.
>  I can deal with either, but I find so many "improvements" insulting.

I have yet to encounter a situation where the combined search/location
field has caused me one bit of trouble. I guess I just have better
things to do than complain about minuscule / minor changes. It just
works, and that's all I need to get what I want done.

-- 
E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my ravenous SPAM filter.
I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead.

JR

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#20555

FromBarry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu>
Date2014-01-20 13:59 -0500
Message-ID<barmar-376582.13593920012014@news.eternal-september.org>
In reply to#20551
In article <bk588gF4k42U1@mid.individual.net>,
 Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:

> Strange outlook you have there. The first time I encountered the
> combined search/location field, I though to myself: Neat. Now I don't
> have to make a selection depending on what I want to do. This will save
> me time. And it has indeed saved me time. So I'm happy with it.

In particular, when you open a new browser window, the cursor starts out 
in the location field. So you don't have to tab/click over to the search 
field if that's what you want to do.

> 
> I have yet to encounter a situation where the combined search/location
> field has caused me one bit of trouble. I guess I just have better
> things to do than complain about minuscule / minor changes. It just
> works, and that's all I need to get what I want done.

Same here. If I start typing a web site name, domain completion usually 
finds it. Searches almost always have a space in them, and as soon as I 
type the space it figures out what I'm doing and shows search term 
completions.

I'm referring to Chrome, I assume Safari behaves similarly.

I've been tempted to switch my mother's computer to Chrome just to get 
her this feature (our computers are still running Snow Leopard, because 
we have a couple of Rosetta apps).

-- 
Barry Margolin, barmar@alum.mit.edu
Arlington, MA
*** PLEASE post questions in newsgroups, not directly to me ***

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#20557

FromJolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com>
Date2014-01-20 19:40 +0000
Message-ID<bk5ccgF5htnU1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#20555
On 2014-01-20, Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> wrote:
> In article <bk588gF4k42U1@mid.individual.net>,
>  Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
>
>> Strange outlook you have there. The first time I encountered the
>> combined search/location field, I though to myself: Neat. Now I don't
>> have to make a selection depending on what I want to do. This will save
>> me time. And it has indeed saved me time. So I'm happy with it.
>
> In particular, when you open a new browser window, the cursor starts out 
> in the location field. So you don't have to tab/click over to the search 
> field if that's what you want to do.

Exactly. One less action on my part equates to a time savings for me.
That's a Good Thing™ - an improvement.

>> I have yet to encounter a situation where the combined search/location
>> field has caused me one bit of trouble. I guess I just have better
>> things to do than complain about minuscule / minor changes. It just
>> works, and that's all I need to get what I want done.
>
> Same here. If I start typing a web site name, domain completion usually 
> finds it. Searches almost always have a space in them, and as soon as I 
> type the space it figures out what I'm doing and shows search term 
> completions.
>
> I'm referring to Chrome, I assume Safari behaves similarly.

The latest version does.

-- 
E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my ravenous SPAM filter.
I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead.

JR

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#20556

FromTim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net>
Date2014-01-20 19:09 +0000
Message-ID<200120141909480977%timstreater@greenbee.net>
In reply to#20551
In article <bk588gF4k42U1@mid.individual.net>, Jolly Roger
<jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:

> I have yet to encounter a situation where the combined search/location
> field has caused me one bit of trouble.

Sometimes I type a url as in www.example.com in and it treats that as a
google search request and gives me a results page for www.example.com.
There's usually a link to www.example.com near the top but this
behaviour is certainly a backwards step.

-- 
Tim

"That excessive bail ought not to be required, nor excessive fines imposed,
nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted"  --  Bill of Rights 1689

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#20558

FromJolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com>
Date2014-01-20 19:40 +0000
Message-ID<bk5ce9F5htnU2@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#20556
On 2014-01-20, Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> wrote:
> In article <bk588gF4k42U1@mid.individual.net>, Jolly Roger
><jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
>
>> I have yet to encounter a situation where the combined search/location
>> field has caused me one bit of trouble.
>
> Sometimes I type a url as in www.example.com in and it treats that as a
> google search request and gives me a results page for www.example.com.
> There's usually a link to www.example.com near the top but this
> behaviour is certainly a backwards step.

That has never happened to me. I wonder what you are doing differently.
Can you reproduce it reliably? I'd love to see it in action, if you can
tell me what steps to take.

-- 
E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my ravenous SPAM filter.
I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead.

JR

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#20560

Fromnospam <nospam@nospam.invalid>
Date2014-01-20 14:58 -0500
Message-ID<200120141458244564%nospam@nospam.invalid>
In reply to#20558
In article <bk5ce9F5htnU2@mid.individual.net>, Jolly Roger
<jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:

> >> I have yet to encounter a situation where the combined search/location
> >> field has caused me one bit of trouble.
> >
> > Sometimes I type a url as in www.example.com in and it treats that as a
> > google search request and gives me a results page for www.example.com.
> > There's usually a link to www.example.com near the top but this
> > behaviour is certainly a backwards step.
> 
> That has never happened to me. I wonder what you are doing differently.
> Can you reproduce it reliably? I'd love to see it in action, if you can
> tell me what steps to take.

just type in the name of a site without the www. or .com. 

if it's not a site you've already visited, it will do a search rather
than add www. and .com. this is something that browsers have done for
well over fifteen years. now it's additional steps to avoid that.

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#20562

FromBarry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu>
Date2014-01-20 15:53 -0500
Message-ID<barmar-C7A7CA.15535320012014@news.eternal-september.org>
In reply to#20560
In article <200120141458244564%nospam@nospam.invalid>,
 nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:

> In article <bk5ce9F5htnU2@mid.individual.net>, Jolly Roger
> <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
> 
> > >> I have yet to encounter a situation where the combined search/location
> > >> field has caused me one bit of trouble.
> > >
> > > Sometimes I type a url as in www.example.com in and it treats that as a
> > > google search request and gives me a results page for www.example.com.
> > > There's usually a link to www.example.com near the top but this
> > > behaviour is certainly a backwards step.
> > 
> > That has never happened to me. I wonder what you are doing differently.
> > Can you reproduce it reliably? I'd love to see it in action, if you can
> > tell me what steps to take.
> 
> just type in the name of a site without the www. or .com. 
> 
> if it's not a site you've already visited, it will do a search rather
> than add www. and .com. this is something that browsers have done for
> well over fifteen years. now it's additional steps to avoid that.

As I said in an earlier post, it used to simplify in one way, now it 
simplifies in a different way. So it's a step sideways for those 
single-word entries, not forward or backward. But when you type multiple 
words, it's clearly a step forward, since that would have caused an 
error before and now it does something reasonable.

-- 
Barry Margolin, barmar@alum.mit.edu
Arlington, MA
*** PLEASE post questions in newsgroups, not directly to me ***

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#20565

Fromnospam <nospam@nospam.invalid>
Date2014-01-20 16:28 -0500
Message-ID<200120141628168082%nospam@nospam.invalid>
In reply to#20562
In article <barmar-C7A7CA.15535320012014@news.eternal-september.org>,
Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> wrote:

> > just type in the name of a site without the www. or .com. 
> > 
> > if it's not a site you've already visited, it will do a search rather
> > than add www. and .com. this is something that browsers have done for
> > well over fifteen years. now it's additional steps to avoid that.
> 
> As I said in an earlier post, it used to simplify in one way, now it 
> simplifies in a different way. So it's a step sideways for those 
> single-word entries, not forward or backward. 

it has worked that way for a couple of decades and nobody bitched.
there was no reason to change.

> But when you type multiple 
> words, it's clearly a step forward, since that would have caused an 
> error before and now it does something reasonable.

errors are a reasonable result when you type invalid data into the
wrong field.

that's why the search field says 'google' in dim letters, so the user
knows what it's for.

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#20571

FromTim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net>
Date2014-01-20 23:13 +0000
Message-ID<200120142313097055%timstreater@greenbee.net>
In reply to#20562
In article <barmar-C7A7CA.15535320012014@news.eternal-september.org>,
Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> wrote:

> In article <200120141458244564%nospam@nospam.invalid>,
>  nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
> 
> > In article <bk5ce9F5htnU2@mid.individual.net>, Jolly Roger
> > <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
> > 
> > > >> I have yet to encounter a situation where the combined search/location
> > > >> field has caused me one bit of trouble.
> > > >
> > > > Sometimes I type a url as in www.example.com in and it treats that as a
> > > > google search request and gives me a results page for www.example.com.
> > > > There's usually a link to www.example.com near the top but this
> > > > behaviour is certainly a backwards step.
> > > 
> > > That has never happened to me. I wonder what you are doing differently.
> > > Can you reproduce it reliably? I'd love to see it in action, if you can
> > > tell me what steps to take.
> > 
> > just type in the name of a site without the www. or .com. 
> > 
> > if it's not a site you've already visited, it will do a search rather
> > than add www. and .com. this is something that browsers have done for
> > well over fifteen years. now it's additional steps to avoid that.
> 
> As I said in an earlier post, it used to simplify in one way, now it 
> simplifies in a different way. So it's a step sideways for those 
> single-word entries, not forward or backward. But when you type multiple 
> words, it's clearly a step forward, since that would have caused an 
> error before and now it does something reasonable.

Not always. Time was when I might type:

javascript: alert (some expression here);  // note the space after the :

into the address bar and it worked. Then suddenly it didn't work [1],
and that debugging tool, I thought, was dead.

After some pissing about I found I needed to do:

javascript:alert (some expression here);  // no space after the :

I find that very boring.

[1] It didn't work because it fucking googled that string

-- 
Tim

"That excessive bail ought not to be required, nor excessive fines imposed,
nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted"  --  Bill of Rights 1689

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#20577

FromJolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com>
Date2014-01-21 01:53 +0000
Message-ID<bk629eF9nesU3@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#20562
On 2014-01-20, Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> wrote:
>
> As I said in an earlier post, it used to simplify in one way, now it 
> simplifies in a different way. So it's a step sideways for those 
> single-word entries, not forward or backward. But when you type multiple 
> words, it's clearly a step forward, since that would have caused an 
> error before and now it does something reasonable.

Yup. It's an improvement. Some people just have nothing better to do
than bitch about any and all changes, I guess.

-- 
E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my ravenous SPAM filter.
I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead.

JR

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#20559

Fromnospam <nospam@nospam.invalid>
Date2014-01-20 14:58 -0500
Message-ID<200120141458224451%nospam@nospam.invalid>
In reply to#20556
In article <200120141909480977%timstreater@greenbee.net>, Tim Streater
<timstreater@greenbee.net> wrote:

> > I have yet to encounter a situation where the combined search/location
> > field has caused me one bit of trouble.
> 
> Sometimes I type a url as in www.example.com in and it treats that as a
> google search request and gives me a results page for www.example.com.
> There's usually a link to www.example.com near the top but this
> behaviour is certainly a backwards step.

exactly. until this misfeature appeared, it would automatically add
www. and .com for you. now it doesn't.

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#20613

FromLewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies>
Date2014-01-22 08:30 +0000
Message-ID<slrnldv0d9.1891.g.kreme@amelia.local>
In reply to#20556
In message <200120141909480977%timstreater@greenbee.net> 
  Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> wrote:
> In article <bk588gF4k42U1@mid.individual.net>, Jolly Roger
> <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:

>> I have yet to encounter a situation where the combined search/location
>> field has caused me one bit of trouble.

> Sometimes I type a url as in www.example.com in and it treats that as a
> google search request and gives me a results page for www.example.com.
> There's usually a link to www.example.com near the top but this
> behaviour is certainly a backwards step.

Nothing even remotely like that has ever happened to me. Not in Safari,
not in Firefox, not in Chrome, not even in Internet Explorer.

-- 
If women wear a pair of pants, a pair of glasses, and a pair of
earrings, why don't they wear a pair of bras?

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#20619

FromTim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net>
Date2014-01-22 10:50 +0000
Message-ID<220120141050190958%timstreater@greenbee.net>
In reply to#20613
In article <slrnldv0d9.1891.g.kreme@amelia.local>, Lewis
<g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:

> In message <200120141909480977%timstreater@greenbee.net> 
>   Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> wrote:
> > In article <bk588gF4k42U1@mid.individual.net>, Jolly Roger
> > <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
> 
> >> I have yet to encounter a situation where the combined search/location
> >> field has caused me one bit of trouble.
> 
> > Sometimes I type a url as in www.example.com in and it treats that as a
> > google search request and gives me a results page for www.example.com.
> > There's usually a link to www.example.com near the top but this
> > behaviour is certainly a backwards step.
> 
> Nothing even remotely like that has ever happened to me. Not in Safari,
> not in Firefox, not in Chrome, not even in Internet Explorer.

Well now, *who's* a lucky boy !!

-- 
"The idea that Bill Gates has appeared like a knight in shining armour to
 lead all customers out of a mire of technological chaos neatly ignores 
 the fact that it was he who, by peddling second-rate technology, led them
 into it in the first place."                             - Douglas Adams

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#20623

FromBarry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu>
Date2014-01-22 10:23 -0500
Message-ID<barmar-01F77C.10232822012014@news.eternal-september.org>
In reply to#20619
In article <220120141050190958%timstreater@greenbee.net>,
 Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> wrote:

> In article <slrnldv0d9.1891.g.kreme@amelia.local>, Lewis
> <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:
> 
> > In message <200120141909480977%timstreater@greenbee.net> 
> >   Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> wrote:
> > > In article <bk588gF4k42U1@mid.individual.net>, Jolly Roger
> > > <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
> > 
> > >> I have yet to encounter a situation where the combined search/location
> > >> field has caused me one bit of trouble.
> > 
> > > Sometimes I type a url as in www.example.com in and it treats that as a
> > > google search request and gives me a results page for www.example.com.
> > > There's usually a link to www.example.com near the top but this
> > > behaviour is certainly a backwards step.
> > 
> > Nothing even remotely like that has ever happened to me. Not in Safari,
> > not in Firefox, not in Chrome, not even in Internet Explorer.
> 
> Well now, *who's* a lucky boy !!

Me, either. My guess is you mistyped something, maybe a comma instead of 
dot, or misspelled the domain.

-- 
Barry Margolin, barmar@alum.mit.edu
Arlington, MA
*** PLEASE post questions in newsgroups, not directly to me ***

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#20626

FromJolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com>
Date2014-01-22 16:19 +0000
Message-ID<bka9ctF6jn8U2@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#20623
On 2014-01-22, Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> wrote:
> In article <220120141050190958%timstreater@greenbee.net>,
>  Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> wrote:
>
>> In article <slrnldv0d9.1891.g.kreme@amelia.local>, Lewis
>> <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:
>> 
>> > In message <200120141909480977%timstreater@greenbee.net> 
>> >   Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> wrote:
>> > > In article <bk588gF4k42U1@mid.individual.net>, Jolly Roger
>> > > <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
>> > 
>> > >> I have yet to encounter a situation where the combined search/location
>> > >> field has caused me one bit of trouble.
>> > 
>> > > Sometimes I type a url as in www.example.com in and it treats that as a
>> > > google search request and gives me a results page for www.example.com.
>> > > There's usually a link to www.example.com near the top but this
>> > > behaviour is certainly a backwards step.
>> > 
>> > Nothing even remotely like that has ever happened to me. Not in Safari,
>> > not in Firefox, not in Chrome, not even in Internet Explorer.
>> 
>> Well now, *who's* a lucky boy !!
>
> Me, either. My guess is you mistyped something, maybe a comma instead of 
> dot, or misspelled the domain.

Oh, wait. He's saying he typed a *full*, *valid* domain name and still
got a Google search. I missed that in my last reply. Yeah, I've never
sen that behavior myself either.

-- 
E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my ravenous SPAM filter.
I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead.

JR

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