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  Disastrous incompatibility between iphoto and time machine (10.8.5) licensedtoquill@gmail.com - 2013-10-08 07:15 -0700
    Re: Disastrous incompatibility between iphoto and time machine (10.8.5) ggrandish@gmail.com - 2013-10-08 15:54 -0700
      Re: Disastrous incompatibility between iphoto and time machine (10.8.5) licensedtoquill@gmail.com - 2013-10-08 16:57 -0700
        Re: Disastrous incompatibility between iphoto and time machine (10.8.5) jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-10-09 14:20 +1300
          Re: (I should probably post this elsewhere) licensedtoquill@gmail.com - 2013-10-08 20:52 -0700
            Re: (I should probably post this elsewhere) jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-10-09 18:08 +1300
        Re: Disastrous incompatibility between iphoto and time machine (10.8.5) me@home.spamsucks.ca (Király) - 2013-10-09 12:58 +0000
          Re: Disastrous incompatibility between iphoto and time machine (10.8.5) licensedtoquill@gmail.com - 2013-10-10 13:46 -0700
        Re: Disastrous incompatibility between iphoto and time machine (10.8.5) Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> - 2013-10-12 04:32 -0700
          Re: Disastrous incompatibility between iphoto and time machine (10.8.5) nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2013-10-12 10:49 -0400
            Re: Disastrous incompatibility between iphoto and time machine (10.8.5) jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-10-13 13:09 +1300
              Re: Disastrous incompatibility between iphoto and time machine (10.8.5) nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2013-10-12 21:08 -0400
                Re: Disastrous incompatibility between iphoto and time machine (10.8.5) Tim Powys-Lybbe <tim@powys.org> - 2013-10-14 02:13 +0100
                  Re: Disastrous incompatibility between iphoto and time machine (10.8.5) nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2013-10-14 07:23 -0400
          Re: Disastrous incompatibility between iphoto and time machine (10.8.5) jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-10-13 13:09 +1300
            Re: Disastrous incompatibility between iphoto and time machine (10.8.5) Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> - 2013-10-13 08:22 -0700
              Re: Disastrous incompatibility between iphoto and time machine (10.8.5) jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-10-14 07:58 +1300
                Re: Disastrous incompatibility between iphoto and time machine (10.8.5) Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> - 2013-10-13 14:14 -0700
                  Re: Disastrous incompatibility between iphoto and time machine (10.8.5) jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-10-14 13:06 +1300
                    Re: Disastrous incompatibility between iphoto and time machine (10.8.5) Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> - 2013-10-14 07:38 -0700
                      Re: Disastrous incompatibility between iphoto and time machine (10.8.5) jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-10-15 04:44 +1300
                        Re: Disastrous incompatibility between iphoto and time machine (10.8.5) Bread <BreadWithSpam@Fractious.net> - 2013-11-06 09:58 -0800
    Re: Disastrous incompatibility between iphoto and time machine (10.8.5) William Munny <will@bigwhiskey.gov> - 2013-10-08 19:23 -0400
    Re: Disastrous incompatibility between iphoto and time machine (10.8.5) jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-10-09 12:45 +1300
    Re: Disastrous incompatibility between iphoto and time machine (10.8.5) William Munny <will@bigwhiskey.gov> - 2013-10-10 16:57 -0400
    Re: Disastrous incompatibility between iphoto and time machine (10.8.5) licensedtoquill@gmail.com - 2013-10-14 18:06 -0700
      Re: Disastrous incompatibility between iphoto and time machine (10.8.5) jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-10-15 17:11 +1300

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#18533

Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> wrote:

> On 10/13/2013 5:06 PM PT, Jamie Kahn Genet typed:
> > What privacy violations? What do you mean? If you don't pay you have to
> > 'endure' a few ads shown to the left of the CrashPlan App's UI, which
> > you only ever see during setup, administration and recovery. If that
> > somehow violates your privacy, then I don't think CrashPlan is for you
> > :-)
> >
> > Especially as a CrashPlan requires setting up an account with their
> > service, that is used for remote administration, communication between
> > CrashPlan apps for admin, backup and restore over the internet, and the
> > like.
> >
> > If you've a fear of online services, then CrashPlan definitely isn't for
> > you, because that's a big part of their model. Or I guess you could run
> > CrashPlan over a Tor network or the like, if you don't like CrashPlan
> > knowing the IPs of your computers with CrashPlan. Maybe even setup
> > CrashPlan, then disallow it to communicate by blocking it's outgoing
> > connections in your firewall. But likely it's easier if you simply do
> > not use CrashPlan.
> >
> > As for the security of your data (if that's what your concern is over),
> > read here:
> > <http://support.crashplan.com/doku.php/articles/encryption_key>
> 
> Ah, I thought CrashPlan can do offline local backups too. Nevermind 
> then. I don't do clouds.

Sure it can. To local HDs, local shared drives, and HDs attached to
another computer either on your LAN or across the internet. But
regardless it still uses and requires setup of an account. You might
never use the online admin and restore tools, but they're there. Still,
there are plenty of other options for local backup requiring no network
usage. CrashPlan is only one of many :-)
-- 
If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.

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#19279

On 2013-10-14 15:44:00 +0000, Jamie Kahn Genet said:

> Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> wrote:

>> Ah, I thought CrashPlan can do offline local backups too. Nevermind
>> then. I don't do clouds.
> 
> Sure it can. To local HDs, local shared drives, and HDs attached to
> another computer either on your LAN or across the internet. But

I use it across three computers - two desktops and a laptop.  The desktops
are in entirely separate locations (my home office and my regular office).
All three computers back up to repositories on local drives connected to
each of the two desktops.

So just from Crashplan, there are two copies of everything from each of
my three computers and those two copies are in separate locations.

And that's all using only the *free* Crashplan set up because I am not
sending anything to Crashplan's servers, only to my own computers.

(And if you don't have a second location, CP lets you send a back up to
any friend who authorizes you to do so - and the friend cannot read or
access your data in any way, since the encryption all lives at your
end).


> regardless it still uses and requires setup of an account. You might
> never use the online admin and restore tools, but they're there. Still,
> there are plenty of other options for local backup requiring no network
> usage. CrashPlan is only one of many :-)

You have to register with them, and their servers need to intervene
at least to the level of each computer connects to them so that they
know where the computers are in order to then connect the computers
to each other to send data.  But none of my data lives on their servers.

One downside is that since I don't have a copy on their servers, I can't
use things like their iOS app to look at my content remotely - that
only works talking to their machines.  For me, not important at all.

I have additional backup measures in place, but Crashplan makes it by
far the easiest to keep the offsite copy.  Time Machine is great for
a local copy (and I use it in addition to CrashPlan).  I have Time
Machine copy the entire machine and were I to try to restore from a
backup, that would be my first go-to copy.  I have Crashplan only
copying data, not all my apps, system files, etc.

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#18414

On 10/8/13 10:15 AM, licensedtoquill@gmail.com wrote:
> Am having catastrophic problem with iPhoto and/or backups. (at least Applecare tells me it is catastrophic)
>
> Have restored from a TM backup and it seems to have LOST ALL MY AUGUST PHOTOS. It is as if some virus got in and told TM not to back up anything done  in one specific month. But I have full backups throughout September.
>
> I can still see the events, the place markers for the hundreds of photos, all the settings sizes and identifications etc but no thumbnails or photos. Nothing whatsoever for the photos in the MASTERS folder in package contents and, amazingly, no updates to the existence or size of any August or 8 folder after 28th July. (I was uploading photos throughout August)
>
> Everything was still there until about 2nd October when I did an erase and reinstall of the OS from TM. I had been looking at, manipulating the photos, making TM backups throughout September, running slideshows of the August photos etc. Now suddenly only the events appear showing the number of photos which had been in those 5 events.  No amount of rebuilding either the thumbnails or library does much, though it did turn one greyed out event into a palm tree and sunset greyed out event, still with no photos in it.
>
> There was obviously no exclusion in TM for the iphoto library but nothing was being backed up and now only the events have been restored.
>
> Has anyone got any ideas on this one or come across this problem before please? It completely flummoxed various senior level Apple iphoto specific reps.
>

If you took national park or monument pictures, Mr. 0bama sent his boys 
to your house overnight and they deleted them. If you try to get the 
back, he'll probably throw  you in the hoosegow, just like he did with 
the Viet Nam and WWII vets.

-- 
...William Munny, a known thief and murderer, a man of notoriously 
vicious and intemperate disposition.
                           --Unforgiven

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#18415

<licensedtoquill@gmail.com> wrote:

> Am having catastrophic problem with iPhoto and/or backups. (at least
> Applecare tells me it is catastrophic)
> 
> Have restored from a TM backup and it seems to have LOST ALL MY AUGUST
> PHOTOS. It is as if some virus got in and told TM not to back up anything
> done  in one specific month. But I have full backups throughout September.
> 
> I can still see the events, the place markers for the hundreds of photos,
> all the settings sizes and identifications etc but no thumbnails or
> photos. Nothing whatsoever for the photos in the MASTERS folder in package
> contents and, amazingly, no updates to the existence or size of any August
> or 8 folder after 28th July. (I was uploading photos throughout August)
> 
> Everything was still there until about 2nd October when I did an erase and
> reinstall of the OS from TM. I had been looking at, manipulating the
> photos, making TM backups throughout September, running slideshows of the
> August photos etc. Now suddenly only the events appear showing the number
> of photos which had been in those 5 events.  No amount of rebuilding
> either the thumbnails or library does much, though it did turn one greyed
> out event into a palm tree and sunset greyed out event, still with no
> photos in it.
> 
> There was obviously no exclusion in TM for the iphoto library but nothing
> was being backed up and now only the events have been restored.
> 
> Has anyone got any ideas on this one or come across this problem before
> please? It completely flummoxed various senior level Apple iphoto specific
> reps.

Restore from your other backup. If you don't have one, you've relied on
just one backup format and been bitten by that. To be safe it pays to
backup to three different destinations, two of which should be different
formats (e.g. Time Machine and CrashPlan, or CrashPlan and SuperDuper),
and at least one ought to be offsite (if your house burns down, your
local backups sitting next to your computer are going to be lost as
well).

At the _very least_ backup, for example, to Time Machine locally and to
a HD connected to a family member's computer in another location, using
an app like CrashPlan. That will cover two formats and one being
offsite. If nothing else do that much.

To speed recovery it's also helpful for one of your local backups to be
able to be restored quickly and easily, to get you back up and running
quickly after a HD dies, or the like. Time Machine and especially disk
cloning utilities like SuperDuper will handle this for you.
-- 
If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.

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#18449

On 10/8/13 10:15 AM, licensedtoquill@gmail.com wrote:
> Am having catastrophic problem with iPhoto and/or backups. (at least Applecare tells me it is catastrophic)
>
>SNIP<

Disastrous? Catastrophic? You must lead a very sheltered and cossetted 
life ;-)

Earthquakes, tornadoes, wild fires, 9-11, hurricanes, The Great 
Depression-- those are disastrous and catastrophic-- not some little 
software incompatibility...

-- 
“Any man who thinks he can be happy and prosperous by letting the 
government take care of him better take a closer look at the American 
Indian.”
				--Henry Ford

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#18559

I know that if I do ten backups to eleven places, I should be safe

I am just annoyed as hell that there are millions of users out there relying on TM and it has a known problem of which Apple is in denial

Meanwhile it has been performing a ton of backups since July 30th and every backup has been identical in size and no OS program has picked this up

All this despite numerous DUs, DW node checks DW external DU checks and OS updates during that period and nothing caught what should be this obvious situation

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#18563

<licensedtoquill@gmail.com> wrote:

> I know that if I do ten backups to eleven places, I should be safe

Three would be sensible. Even two would be a great start. That is easily
affordable by anyone able to afford the computer in the first place.
It's not like HDs are dear nowadays.

> I am just annoyed as hell that there are millions of users out there
> relying on TM and it has a known problem of which Apple is in denial

Again, don't put all your eggs in one basket. And a backup is no longer
a backup if you first erase or lose the original copy. Then it's just
another single, utterly vulnerable set of data.

At least Apple got you backing up in some way with TM, even if it wasn't
a very safe way. I've got to give Apple credit - if nothing else TM has
been one hell of a lot better than no backup at all, which was the usual
situation for the vast majority of users only a few short years ago.

> Meanwhile it has been performing a ton of backups since July 30th and
> every backup has been identical in size and no OS program has picked this
> up
> 
> All this despite numerous DUs, DW node checks DW external DU checks and OS
> updates during that period and nothing caught what should be this obvious
> situation

Well, you know now not to trust one backup format, and I'd say again -
if you lose or delete the original copy of the data, then your single
backup is no longer a backup. It's just as vulnerable as the original
was.
-- 
If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.

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