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"up"grade problems

Started byErilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid>
First post2015-04-03 20:10 +0000
Last post2015-04-04 18:03 +0000
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  "up"grade problems Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> - 2015-04-03 20:10 +0000
    Re: "up"grade problems nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-04-03 16:12 -0400
      Re: "up"grade problems Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> - 2015-04-04 00:49 +0000
        Re: "up"grade problems Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-04-04 04:23 +0000
        Re: "up"grade problems Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2015-04-04 10:07 +0000
    Re: "up"grade problems Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-04-03 20:48 +0000
      Re: "up"grade problems Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2015-04-03 21:57 +0000
        Re: "up"grade problems Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-04-04 00:00 +0000
          Re: "up"grade problems Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> - 2015-04-04 00:49 +0000
            Re: "up"grade problems Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-04-04 02:28 +0000
              Re: "up"grade problems Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> - 2015-04-04 18:03 +0000
        Re: "up"grade problems Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> - 2015-04-04 00:49 +0000
          Re: "up"grade problems Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-04-04 02:32 +0000
            Re: "up"grade problems Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> - 2015-04-04 18:03 +0000
              Re: "up"grade problems nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-04-04 14:14 -0400
                Re: "up"grade problems erilar <drache@chibardun.net.invalid> - 2015-04-04 15:48 -0500
                  Re: "up"grade problems Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-04-04 21:00 +0000
                    Re: "up"grade problems Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> - 2015-04-04 22:26 +0000
                      Re: "up"grade problems Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-04-04 22:29 +0000
                        Re: "up"grade problems Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> - 2015-04-05 02:51 +0000
                          Re: "up"grade problems Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-04-05 05:08 +0000
                            Re: "up"grade problems Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> - 2015-04-05 19:49 +0000
                              Re: "up"grade problems Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-04-05 19:53 +0000
                                Re: "up"grade problems Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> - 2015-04-06 16:07 +0000
                          Re: "up"grade problems Jim Gibson <JimSGibson@gmail.com> - 2015-04-05 16:53 -0700
                            Re: "up"grade problems Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2015-04-06 10:15 +0000
                              Re: "up"grade problems Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-04-06 13:04 +0000
                            Re: "up"grade problems Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-04-06 13:08 +0000
                            Re: "up"grade problems Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> - 2015-04-06 16:07 +0000
                              Re: "up"grade problems Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2015-04-06 18:25 +0000
                          Re: "up"grade problems David Moorman <email@domain.com> - 2015-04-05 19:52 -0500
                      Re: "up"grade problems David Moorman <email@domain.com> - 2015-04-05 19:52 -0500
                  Re: "up"grade problems David Moorman <email@domain.com> - 2015-04-05 19:49 -0500
                    Re: "up"grade problems Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-04-05 20:41 -0700
                      Re: "up"grade problems Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> - 2015-04-06 16:07 +0000
                        Re: "up"grade problems isw <isw@witzend.com> - 2015-04-06 09:30 -0700
                        Re: "up"grade problems Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2015-04-06 18:22 +0000
                          Re: "up"grade problems Erilar <drache@notchibardun.net> - 2015-04-09 19:24 +0000
                            Re: "up"grade problems Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2015-04-09 22:12 +0100
                              Re: "up"grade problems Erilar <drache@notchibardun.net> - 2015-04-10 20:37 +0000
                                Re: "up"grade problems Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2015-04-10 22:48 +0100
                                  Re: "up"grade problems Erilar <drache@notchibardun.net> - 2015-04-11 02:47 +0000
                                    Re: "up"grade problems Jim Gibson <JimSGibson@gmail.com> - 2015-04-10 22:20 -0700
                                      Re: "up"grade problems Erilar <drache@notchibardun.net> - 2015-04-12 14:40 +0000
                                        Re: "up"grade problems Erilar <drache@notchibardun.net> - 2015-04-13 21:51 +0000
                                    Re: "up"grade problems Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2015-04-11 09:38 +0100
                                      Re: "up"grade problems Erilar <drache@notchibardun.net> - 2015-04-12 14:40 +0000
                                        Re: "up"grade problems Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2015-04-12 10:52 -0400
                                        Re: "up"grade problems Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2015-04-12 11:54 -0400
                                        Re: "up"grade problems Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-04-12 15:56 +0000
                                        Re: "up"grade problems Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2015-04-12 17:01 +0100
                                          Re: "up"grade problems Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2015-04-12 09:09 -0700
                                          Re: "up"grade problems erilar <drache@chibardun.net.invalid> - 2015-04-18 19:54 -0500
                                            Re: "up"grade problems Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-04-19 02:13 +0000
                                              Re: "up"grade problems Erilar <drache@notchibardun.net> - 2015-04-20 23:18 +0000
                                                Re: "up"grade problems Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-04-21 02:01 +0000
                                            Re: "up"grade problems David Ritz <dritz@mindspring.com> - 2015-04-18 23:23 -0500
                                              Re: "up"grade problems Erilar <drache@notchibardun.net> - 2015-04-19 14:43 +0000
                                                Re: "up"grade problems David Ritz <dritz@mindspring.com> - 2015-04-19 10:32 -0500
                                            Re: "up"grade problems dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2015-04-19 18:21 +1000
                                              Re: "up"grade problems Erilar <drache@notchibardun.net> - 2015-04-20 23:18 +0000
                                                Re: "up"grade problems nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-04-20 19:22 -0400
                                                Re: "up"grade problems Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2015-04-20 19:28 -0400
                                                  Re: "up"grade problems Erilar <drache@notchibardun.net> - 2015-04-21 19:04 +0000
                                                    Re: "up"grade problems dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2015-04-22 09:00 +1000
                                                Re: "up"grade problems Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2015-04-20 17:24 -0700
                                                  Re: "up"grade problems David Ritz <dritz@mindspring.com> - 2015-04-20 20:31 -0500
                                                  Re: "up"grade problems Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2015-04-21 07:16 -0400
                                                    Re: "up"grade problems Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-04-21 13:39 +0000
                                                      Re: "up"grade problems Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2015-04-21 11:14 -0400
                                                        Re: "up"grade problems nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-04-21 11:15 -0400
                                                          Re: "up"grade problems isw <isw@witzend.com> - 2015-04-21 12:08 -0700
                                                            Re: "up"grade problems nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-04-21 15:16 -0400
                                                              Re: "up"grade problems dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2015-04-22 09:07 +1000
                                                          Re: "up"grade problems dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2015-04-22 08:57 +1000
                                                        Re: "up"grade problems Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-04-21 15:26 +0000
                                                        Re: "up"grade problems sctvguy1 <sctvguy1@invalid.net> - 2015-04-22 02:36 +0000
                                                          Re: "up"grade problems Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2015-04-22 08:19 -0400
                                                            Re: "up"grade problems sctvguy1 <sctvguy1@invalid.net> - 2015-04-25 15:40 +0000
                                                              Re: "up"grade problems Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2015-04-25 12:29 -0400
                                                              Re: "up"grade problems Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2015-04-25 14:13 -0700
                                                                Re: "up"grade problems dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2015-04-26 07:45 +1000
                                                                Re: "up"grade problems "Beauregard T. Shagnasty" <a.nony.mous@example.invalid> - 2015-04-25 21:55 +0000
                                                                  Re: "up"grade problems Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2015-04-25 18:04 -0400
                                                                  Re: "up"grade problems "Thip" <me@privacy.net> - 2015-04-25 19:11 -0400
                                                                    Re: "up"grade problems "Beauregard T. Shagnasty" <a.nony.mous@example.invalid> - 2015-04-25 23:59 +0000
                                                                  Re: "up"grade problems dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2015-04-26 09:32 +1000
                                                Re: "up"grade problems dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2015-04-21 10:47 +1000
                                                  Re: "up"grade problems Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2015-04-21 07:23 -0400
                                                    Re: "up"grade problems Erilar <drache@notchibardun.net> - 2015-04-21 19:04 +0000
                                                    Re: "up"grade problems dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2015-04-22 08:29 +1000
                                                      Re: "up"grade problems Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2015-04-21 19:04 -0400
                                                        Re: "up"grade problems Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2015-04-21 19:07 -0400
                                                          Re: "up"grade problems dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2015-04-22 12:37 +1000
                                                        Re: "up"grade problems dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2015-04-22 12:34 +1000
                                                Re: "up"grade problems Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-04-21 02:02 +0000
                                                  Re: "up"grade problems Erilar <drache@notchibardun.net> - 2015-04-21 19:04 +0000
                                                    Re: "up"grade problems Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-04-21 19:12 +0000
                                                      Re: "up"grade problems erilar <drache@chibardun.net.invalid> - 2015-04-22 11:47 -0500
                                                        Re: "up"grade problems Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-04-22 16:55 +0000
                                                        Re: "up"grade problems Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2015-04-22 13:11 -0400
                                                          Re: "up"grade problems David Ritz <dritz@mindspring.com> - 2015-04-22 14:28 -0500
                                                          Re: "up"grade problems dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2015-04-23 07:15 +1000
                                                            Re: "up"grade problems erilar <drache@chibardun.net.invalid> - 2015-04-24 07:30 -0500
                                                Re: "up"grade problems Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-04-21 04:14 +0000
                                                  Re: "up"grade problems erilar <drache@chibardun.net.invalid> - 2015-04-24 07:32 -0500
                                                Re: "up"grade problems Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2015-04-21 09:14 +0100
                                                  Re: "up"grade problems Erilar <drache@notchibardun.net> - 2015-04-21 19:04 +0000
                                        Re: "up"grade problems dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2015-04-13 07:02 +1000
                                          Re: "up"grade problems Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2015-04-12 19:32 -0400
                                          Re: "up"grade problems Erilar <drache@notchibardun.net> - 2015-04-13 21:31 +0000
                                  Re: "up"grade problems dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2015-04-18 13:50 +1200
                                    Re: "up"grade problems Erilar <drache@notchibardun.net> - 2015-04-18 01:57 +0000
                                    Re: "up"grade problems Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2015-04-18 08:35 +0100
                                      Re: "up"grade problems dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2015-04-19 15:13 +1200
                                        Re: "up"grade problems Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2015-04-19 10:13 +0100
                                          Re: "up"grade problems dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2015-04-19 22:02 +1200
                                            Re: "up"grade problems Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2015-04-19 13:14 +0100
                                          Re: "up"grade problems Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-04-20 02:16 +0000
                                      Re: "up"grade problems Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-04-19 07:44 +0000
                                        Re: "up"grade problems Erilar <drache@notchibardun.net> - 2015-04-21 19:04 +0000
                                          Re: "up"grade problems dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2015-04-22 09:15 +1200
                            Re: "up"grade problems Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-04-09 22:42 +0000
                              Re: "up"grade problems Erilar <drache@notchibardun.net> - 2015-04-10 20:37 +0000
                                Re: "up"grade problems Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2015-04-10 22:51 +0100
                                  Re: "up"grade problems erilar <drache@chibardun.net.invalid> - 2015-04-18 19:50 -0500
                                    Re: "up"grade problems Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-04-19 02:07 +0000
                                      Re: "up"grade problems Erilar <drache@notchibardun.net> - 2015-04-20 23:18 +0000
                                        Re: "up"grade problems Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-04-21 02:00 +0000
                                          Re: "up"grade problems Erilar <drache@notchibardun.net> - 2015-04-21 19:04 +0000
                                            Re: "up"grade problems Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-04-21 19:14 +0000
                                              Re: "up"grade problems erilar <drache@chibardun.net.invalid> - 2015-04-22 11:55 -0500
                                                Re: "up"grade problems Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-04-22 17:14 +0000
                                                  Re: "up"grade problems erilar <drache@chibardun.net.invalid> - 2015-04-24 07:28 -0500
                                                    Re: "up"grade problems Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-04-24 13:54 +0000
                        Re: "up"grade problems Jim Gibson <JimSGibson@gmail.com> - 2015-04-07 14:20 -0700
                          Re: "up"grade problems Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-04-08 00:58 +0000
                          Re: "up"grade problems Erilar <drache@notchibardun.net> - 2015-04-09 19:24 +0000
    Re: "up"grade problems Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-04-03 13:49 -0700
      Re: "up"grade problems Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> - 2015-04-04 18:03 +0000
        Re: "up"grade problems Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-04-04 11:16 -0700
          Re: "up"grade problems erilar <drache@chibardun.net.invalid> - 2015-04-04 15:45 -0500
            Re: "up"grade problems nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-04-04 16:58 -0400
        Re: "up"grade problems Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2015-04-04 13:43 -0700
        Re: "up"grade problems dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2015-04-05 09:46 +1100
          Re: "up"grade problems Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2015-04-04 16:49 -0700
            Re: "up"grade problems dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2015-04-05 10:06 +1100
              Re: "up"grade problems Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2015-04-04 17:41 -0700
                Re: "up"grade problems dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2015-04-05 12:32 +1100
                Re: "up"grade problems Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> - 2015-04-05 02:51 +0000
            Re: "up"grade problems Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> - 2015-04-05 02:51 +0000
            Re: "up"grade problems Erilar <drache@notchibardun.net> - 2015-04-09 19:24 +0000
          Re: "up"grade problems Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> - 2015-04-05 02:51 +0000
            Re: "up"grade problems Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2015-04-05 09:25 -0400
    Re: "up"grade problems Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2015-04-03 14:09 -0700
    Re: "up"grade problems Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2015-04-03 17:32 -0400
      Re: "up"grade problems Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> - 2015-04-04 00:49 +0000
    Re: "up"grade problems Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-04-04 03:23 +0000
      Re: "up"grade problems Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> - 2015-04-04 18:03 +0000

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#28563

FromJolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com>
Date2015-04-05 05:08 +0000
Message-ID<cobub1F3cecU8@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#28561
On 2015-04-05, Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> wrote:
> Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Hmm... What does it do that you want it to do?
>
> Writing stuff with no frills 8-)

I'm slowly learning not to bother asking you questions, because you seem
to almost never give a direct answer. 

-- 
E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my ravenous SPAM filter.
I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead.

JR

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#28580

FromErilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid>
Date2015-04-05 19:49 +0000
Message-ID<mfs3jn$g6v$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#28563
Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
> On 2015-04-05, Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> wrote:
>> Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hmm... What does it do that you want it to do?
>> 
>> Writing stuff with no frills 8-)
> 
> I'm slowly learning not to bother asking you questions, because you seem
> to almost never give a direct answer. 

That's my answer to the Bean question. What else would Indo with it?

-- 
Erilar, biblioholic medievalist with iPad

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#28581

FromJolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com>
Date2015-04-05 19:53 +0000
Message-ID<codi6cFgea9U4@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#28580
On 2015-04-05, Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> wrote:
> Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
>> On 2015-04-05, Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> wrote:
>>> Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hmm... What does it do that you want it to do?
>>> 
>>> Writing stuff with no frills 8-)
>> 
>> I'm slowly learning not to bother asking you questions, because you seem
>> to almost never give a direct answer. 
>
> That's my answer to the Bean question. What else would Indo with it?

You said Bean "didn't quite do what I wanted". And I asked you what it
doesn't do that you wanted, specifically. It's okay if you'd rather not
give specifics. I'll learn to stop bothering to ask eventually.

-- 
E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my ravenous SPAM filter.
I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead.

JR

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#28606

FromErilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid>
Date2015-04-06 16:07 +0000
Message-ID<mfub04$95k$3@dont-email.me>
In reply to#28581
Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
> On 2015-04-05, Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> wrote:
>> Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
>>> On 2015-04-05, Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> wrote:
>>>> Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hmm... What does it do that you want it to do?
>>>> 
>>>> Writing stuff with no frills 8-)
>>> 
>>> I'm slowly learning not to bother asking you questions, because you seem
>>> to almost never give a direct answer. 
>> 
>> That's my answer to the Bean question. What else would Indo with it?
> 
> You said Bean "didn't quite do what I wanted". And I asked you what it
> doesn't do that you wanted, specifically. It's okay if you'd rather not
> give specifics. I'll learn to stop bothering to ask eventually.

Sometimes I want more versatility than Bean offers.  Pages is moderately
versatile, though full of useless junk. Yes, that's opinion, but no matter
how much or how long I use Pages, the irritation never lessens.

-- 
Erilar, biblioholic medievalist with iPad

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#28582

FromJim Gibson <JimSGibson@gmail.com>
Date2015-04-05 16:53 -0700
Message-ID<050420151653286783%JimSGibson@gmail.com>
In reply to#28561
In article <mfq806$hgh$4@dont-email.me>, Erilar
<drache@chibardun.netinvalid> wrote:

> Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
> > On 2015-04-04, Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> wrote:
> >> Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
> >>> On 2015-04-04, erilar <drache@chibardun.net.invalid> wrote:

> >>> 
> >>> Again, have you tried Bean??:
> >>> 
> >>> <http://www.bean-osx.com/Bean.html>
> >> 
> >> Actually, I have, but it didn't quite do what I wanted. It's a nice little
> >> program, though.
> > 
> > Hmm... What does it do that you want it to do?
> 
> Writing stuff with no frills 8-)

I think the question JR meant to (or should have) asked is "What
DOESN'T it do that you want it to do?"

In other words, what exactly are you looking for, and how have the
programs you have tried not worked to your satisfaction?

I gather you want to produce a multi-page document with mixed graphics
and text. You can do that with TextEdit, Preview, Adobe Acrobat, Pages,
Photoshop, Adobe InDesign, Quark Express, Microsoft Word, Adobe
Illustrator, etc., etc., and, apparently, ColorIt (I have not used
ColorIt so I don't know its capabilities.)

Here are some questions you might want to answer:

1. How many pages in a document?
2. How many graphic images do you want to put on each page.
3. How big are the graphic images?
4. How much text do you want to put on a page?
5. Is the text associated with an image, like a caption?
6. Do you want the text to be next to (above, below, beside) the
graphic or on top of the image?

I use Adobe InDesign for this kind of task, but it is expensive and
probably overkill for your needs. As a Layout program, it gives you
complete control over what is placed and where on each page. Word
Processing programs, such as Word and Pages, want to flow the content
from top to bottom and add pages as needed as content fills each page.
However, by using "text boxes" you may be able to position text at
arbitrary locations on a page.

If you have Pages, and you don't want to purchase and learn a
complicated layout program such as InDesign, then Pages may be your
best choice. Then, it is a matter of seeing if Pages can be forced into
doing what you want to do. I have not used Pages a lot, but I am sure
there are people here who can help you, provided they know exactly what
it is you are trying to do.

-- 
Jim Gibson

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#28593

FromTim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net>
Date2015-04-06 10:15 +0000
Message-ID<060420151015490114%timstreater@greenbee.net>
In reply to#28582
In article <050420151653286783%JimSGibson@gmail.com>, Jim Gibson
<JimSGibson@gmail.com> wrote:

>I use Adobe InDesign for this kind of task, but it is expensive and
>probably overkill for your needs. As a Layout program, it gives you
>complete control over what is placed and where on each page. Word
>Processing programs, such as Word and Pages, want to flow the content
>from top to bottom and add pages as needed as content fills each page.
>However, by using "text boxes" you may be able to position text at
>arbitrary locations on a page.

As I posted the other day, and you evidently missed, with Pages you
choose whether the document you are about to start creating is a page
layout document or a word processing document.

I've used both modes and for word processing is is more predictable
than Word. I've also laid out leaflets and brochures with it in page
layout mode. PageMaker was easier to use in this regard, but it's
certainly do-able without excessive problems.

I've stuck to version 4.3 (Pages '09) rather than moving to version 5,
as for reasons I'm not quite clear on they've rewritten V5 from the
ground up, and one feature that's missing at the moment is linked text
boxes.

-- 
Anyone who slaps a 'this page is best viewed with Browser X' label on
a Web page appears to be yearning for the bad old days, before the Web,
when you had very little chance of reading a document written on another
computer, another word processor, or another network. -- Tim Berners-Lee

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#28595

FromLewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies>
Date2015-04-06 13:04 +0000
Message-ID<slrnmi514n.23qi.g.kreme@amelia.local>
In reply to#28593
In message <060420151015490114%timstreater@greenbee.net> 
  Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> wrote:
> I've stuck to version 4.3 (Pages '09) rather than moving to version 5,
> as for reasons I'm not quite clear on they've rewritten V5 from the
> ground up, and one feature that's missing at the moment is linked text
> boxes.

Paged V5 was rewritten so that it could be used on OS X, iOS, and the
web and be completely compatible between all three. For me, this has
been well worth the (temporary?) loss of some features, but my needs for
Word Processing are very light as almost everything I do is plain text
(BBEdit or Vim, mostly).

In fact, I have been known to use a text editor to create a webpage and
print that as a replacement for a word processor. Not that I am
recommending that anyone, ever, do that. But when I needed a
well-formatted letter or a form and didn't have a WP handy, HTML did the
job well enough.

(And yes, for the form I cheated and put everything inside a table so it
would all line up where I wanted.)

-- 
If a pig loses its voice, is it disgruntled?

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#28596

FromJolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com>
Date2015-04-06 13:08 +0000
Message-ID<cofeq4FcbdU1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#28582
On 2015-04-05, Jim Gibson <JimSGibson@gmail.com> wrote:
> In article <mfq806$hgh$4@dont-email.me>, Erilar
><drache@chibardun.netinvalid> wrote:
>
>> Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
>> > On 2015-04-04, Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> wrote:
>> >> Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
>> >>> On 2015-04-04, erilar <drache@chibardun.net.invalid> wrote:
>
>> >>> 
>> >>> Again, have you tried Bean??:
>> >>> 
>> >>> <http://www.bean-osx.com/Bean.html>
>> >> 
>> >> Actually, I have, but it didn't quite do what I wanted. It's a nice little
>> >> program, though.
>> > 
>> > Hmm... What does it do that you want it to do?
>> 
>> Writing stuff with no frills 8-)
>
> I think the question JR meant to (or should have) asked is "What
> DOESN'T it do that you want it to do?"

Oops, yep. That's the case. Sorry for the confusion.

-- 
E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my ravenous SPAM filter.
I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead.

JR

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#28605

FromErilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid>
Date2015-04-06 16:07 +0000
Message-ID<mfub03$95k$2@dont-email.me>
In reply to#28582
Jim Gibson <JimSGibson@gmail.com> wrote:

> 
> In other words, what exactly are you looking for, and how have the
> programs you have tried not worked to your satisfaction?
> 
> I gather you want to produce a multi-page document with mixed graphics
> and text. You can do that with TextEdit, Preview, Adobe Acrobat, Pages,
> Photoshop, Adobe InDesign, Quark Express, Microsoft Word, Adobe
> Illustrator, etc., etc., and, apparently, ColorIt (I have not used
> ColorIt so I don't know its capabilities.)
> 
> Here are some questions you might want to answer:
> 
> 1. How many pages in a document?
> 2. How many graphic images do you want to put on each page.
> 3. How big are the graphic images?
> 4. How much text do you want to put on a page?
> 5. Is the text associated with an image, like a caption?
> 6. Do you want the text to be next to (above, below, beside) the
> graphic or on top of the image?
> 
Sometimes I want to add fotos to a WP document. I can do this with Pages if
I'm wary about touching the wrong part of a page, because that wrecks the
formatting even if I've tried to save it in between. I have done it when on
a trip with the iPad and no laptop. 
Sometimes I want to start with multiple images and add text to fit. Pages
is next to useless for this purpose for me, and totally useless for editing
graphics except at a VERY superficial level. 

-- 
Erilar, biblioholic medievalist with iPad

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#28617

FromTim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net>
Date2015-04-06 18:25 +0000
Message-ID<060420151825299644%timstreater@greenbee.net>
In reply to#28605
In article <mfub03$95k$2@dont-email.me>, Erilar
<drache@chibardun.netinvalid> wrote:

>Jim Gibson <JimSGibson@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> 
>> In other words, what exactly are you looking for, and how have the
>> programs you have tried not worked to your satisfaction?
>> 
>> I gather you want to produce a multi-page document with mixed graphics
>> and text. You can do that with TextEdit, Preview, Adobe Acrobat, Pages,
>> Photoshop, Adobe InDesign, Quark Express, Microsoft Word, Adobe
>> Illustrator, etc., etc., and, apparently, ColorIt (I have not used
>> ColorIt so I don't know its capabilities.)
>> 
>> Here are some questions you might want to answer:
>> 
>> 1. How many pages in a document?
>> 2. How many graphic images do you want to put on each page.
>> 3. How big are the graphic images?
>> 4. How much text do you want to put on a page?
>> 5. Is the text associated with an image, like a caption?
>> 6. Do you want the text to be next to (above, below, beside) the
>> graphic or on top of the image?
>> 
>Sometimes I want to add fotos to a WP document. I can do this with Pages if
>I'm wary about touching the wrong part of a page, because that wrecks the
>formatting even if I've tried to save it in between.

What do you mean by "wrecks the formatting"? When you insert an image,
you have of course to decide how you want the text to flow round the
image. Or not to flow. Are you doing that?

>Sometimes I want to start with multiple images and add text to fit. Pages
>is next to useless for this purpose for me, and totally useless for editing
>graphics except at a VERY superficial level.

Pages is not intended to edit images. You do that in another program.

-- 
"A committee is a cul-de-sac down which ideas are lured and then 
 quietly strangled." - Sir Barnett Cocks (1907-1989)

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#28588

FromDavid Moorman <email@domain.com>
Date2015-04-05 19:52 -0500
Message-ID<5521dd5f$0$12666$88263eea@blocknews.net>
In reply to#28561
On 2015-04-05 02:51:50 +0000, Erilar said:

> Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
>> On 2015-04-04, Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> wrote:
>>> Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
>>>> On 2015-04-04, erilar <drache@chibardun.net.invalid> wrote:
>>>>> In article <040420151414422120%nospam@nospam.invalid>,
>>>>> nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> In article <mfp91b$fm9$5@dont-email.me>, Erilar
>>>>>> <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> When I talk about putting graphics and text together, I prefer to start
>>>>>>>>> with the graphics, so Pages is a major pain, since I have to work
>>>>>>>>> backwards.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Then use the right tool for the job. You want an image editing
>>>>>>>> application.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I have a great one, but there's still no update for it.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> then it's not that great.
>>>>> 
>>>>> ClarisWorks 4 was the best WP ever in my book. 8-)  New only SOMETIMES =
>>>>> better.
>>>> 
>>>> Again, have you tried Bean??:
>>>> 
>>>> <http://www.bean-osx.com/Bean.html>
>>> 
>>> Actually, I have, but it didn't quite do what I wanted. It's a nice little
>>> program, though.
>> 
>> Hmm... What does it do that you want it to do?
> 
> Writing stuff with no frills 8-)

Really!  Which frills bothered you?  

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#28587

FromDavid Moorman <email@domain.com>
Date2015-04-05 19:52 -0500
Message-ID<5521dd36$0$12666$88263eea@blocknews.net>
In reply to#28546
On 2015-04-04 22:26:35 +0000, Erilar said:

> Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
>> On 2015-04-04, erilar <drache@chibardun.net.invalid> wrote:
>>> In article <040420151414422120%nospam@nospam.invalid>,
>>> nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> In article <mfp91b$fm9$5@dont-email.me>, Erilar
>>>> <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>>>> When I talk about putting graphics and text together, I prefer to start
>>>>>>> with the graphics, so Pages is a major pain, since I have to work
>>>>>>> backwards.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Then use the right tool for the job. You want an image editing
>>>>>> application.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I have a great one, but there's still no update for it.
>>>> 
>>>> then it's not that great.
>>> 
>>> ClarisWorks 4 was the best WP ever in my book. 8-)  New only SOMETIMES =
>>> better.
>> 
>> Again, have you tried Bean??:
>> 
>> <http://www.bean-osx.com/Bean.html>
> 
> Actually, I have, but it didn't quite do what I wanted. It's a nice little
> program, though.

Bean!  Very useful!

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#28585

FromDavid Moorman <email@domain.com>
Date2015-04-05 19:49 -0500
Message-ID<5521dcb2$0$5314$88263eea@blocknews.net>
In reply to#28541
On 2015-04-04 20:48:00 +0000, erilar said:

> In article <040420151414422120%nospam@nospam.invalid>,
>  nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
> 
>> In article <mfp91b$fm9$5@dont-email.me>, Erilar
>> <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> wrote:
>> 
>>>>> When I talk about putting graphics and text together, I prefer to start
>>>>> with the graphics, so Pages is a major pain, since I have to work
>>>>> backwards.
>>>> 
>>>> Then use the right tool for the job. You want an image editing
>>>> application.
>>> 
>>> I have a great one, but there's still no update for it.
>> 
>> then it's not that great.
> 
> ClarisWorks 4 was the best WP ever in my book. 8-)  New only SOMETIMES =
> better.

I remember ClarisWorks fondly.  I used the spreadsheet module for condo 
bookkeeping, but had to switch to Excel.  Numbers didn't do what was 
necessary.  Big loss of functionality compared to ClarisWorks.  

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#28589

FromMichelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org>
Date2015-04-05 20:41 -0700
Message-ID<050420152041319937%michelle@michelle.org>
In reply to#28585
In article <5521dcb2$0$5314$88263eea@blocknews.net>, David Moorman
<email@domain.com> wrote:

> I remember ClarisWorks fondly.  I used the spreadsheet module for condo 
> bookkeeping, but had to switch to Excel.  Numbers didn't do what was 
> necessary.  Big loss of functionality compared to ClarisWorks.  

What doesn't Numbers do that ClarisWorks did?  Other than not having
split sheets, that is.

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#28604

FromErilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid>
Date2015-04-06 16:07 +0000
Message-ID<mfub03$95k$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#28589
Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> wrote:
> In article <5521dcb2$0$5314$88263eea@blocknews.net>, David Moorman
> <email@domain.com> wrote:
> 
>> I remember ClarisWorks fondly.  I used the spreadsheet module for condo 
>> bookkeeping, but had to switch to Excel.  Numbers didn't do what was 
>> necessary.  Big loss of functionality compared to ClarisWorks.  
> 
> What doesn't Numbers do that ClarisWorks did?  Other than not having
> split sheets, that is.

ClarisWorks was the last program that let ME configure and keep my
templates, macros, and much more, move back and forth between WP, Draw, and
Paint (as well as others), all without having to fire up separate programs.
Also without cluttering each up with fixed formats I have no use for. Pages
doesn't even keep the templates I make properly. And the new one on the new
laptop is even worse! I now have to open another app to so much as change
fonts, to say nothing of changing font size or color, instead of a
drop-down menu from the menu bar, which is now cluttered with things I have
no use for beyond at most 1% of the time.

-- 
Erilar, biblioholic medievalist with iPad

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#28611

Fromisw <isw@witzend.com>
Date2015-04-06 09:30 -0700
Message-ID<isw-858DF7.09303206042015@news-roam.garlic.com>
In reply to#28604
In article <mfub03$95k$1@dont-email.me>,
 Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> wrote:

> Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> wrote:
> > In article <5521dcb2$0$5314$88263eea@blocknews.net>, David Moorman
> > <email@domain.com> wrote:
> > 
> >> I remember ClarisWorks fondly.  I used the spreadsheet module for condo 
> >> bookkeeping, but had to switch to Excel.  Numbers didn't do what was 
> >> necessary.  Big loss of functionality compared to ClarisWorks.  
> > 
> > What doesn't Numbers do that ClarisWorks did?  Other than not having
> > split sheets, that is.
> 
> ClarisWorks was the last program that let ME configure and keep my
> templates, macros, and much more, move back and forth between WP, Draw, and
> Paint (as well as others), all without having to fire up separate programs.
> Also without cluttering each up with fixed formats I have no use for. Pages
> doesn't even keep the templates I make properly. And the new one on the new
> laptop is even worse! I now have to open another app to so much as change
> fonts, to say nothing of changing font size or color, instead of a
> drop-down menu from the menu bar, which is now cluttered with things I have
> no use for beyond at most 1% of the time.

Have you considered LaTeX? Bit of a learning curve, but it gives you all 
the control you could possibly want. Plus, (being text-only for content 
entry), it works with whatever text editor you prefer.

Isaac

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#28615

FromTim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net>
Date2015-04-06 18:22 +0000
Message-ID<060420151822228405%timstreater@greenbee.net>
In reply to#28604
In article <mfub03$95k$1@dont-email.me>, Erilar
<drache@chibardun.netinvalid> wrote:

>Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> wrote:
>> In article <5521dcb2$0$5314$88263eea@blocknews.net>, David Moorman
>> <email@domain.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> I remember ClarisWorks fondly.  I used the spreadsheet module for condo 
>>> bookkeeping, but had to switch to Excel.  Numbers didn't do what was 
>>> necessary.  Big loss of functionality compared to ClarisWorks.  
>> 
>> What doesn't Numbers do that ClarisWorks did?  Other than not having
>> split sheets, that is.
>
>ClarisWorks was the last program that let ME configure and keep my
>templates, macros, and much more, move back and forth between WP, Draw, and
>Paint (as well as others), all without having to fire up separate programs.
>Also without cluttering each up with fixed formats I have no use for. Pages
>doesn't even keep the templates I make properly. And the new one on the new
>laptop is even worse! I now have to open another app to so much as change
>fonts, to say nothing of changing font size or color, instead of a
>drop-down menu from the menu bar, which is now cluttered with things I have
>no use for beyond at most 1% of the time.

These things are all at the top of the document's window. And if the
new one doesn't suit you, why not copy the older one over?

-- 
"That excessive bail ought not to be required, nor excessive fines imposed,
nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted"  --  Bill of Rights 1689

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#28644

FromErilar <drache@notchibardun.net>
Date2015-04-09 19:24 +0000
Message-ID<572605917450299725.737210drache-notchibardun.net@news.eternal-september.org>
In reply to#28615
Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> wrote:
> In article <mfub03$95k$1@dont-email.me>, Erilar
> <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> wrote:
> 
>> Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> wrote:
>>> In article <5521dcb2$0$5314$88263eea@blocknews.net>, David Moorman
>>> <email@domain.com> wrote:
>>>>>> I remember ClarisWorks fondly.  I used the spreadsheet module for condo >>>
>>>>>> bookkeeping, but had to switch to Excel.  Numbers didn't do what was
>>>>>> >>> necessary.  Big loss of functionality compared to ClarisWorks. 
>>>>>>>>> >> >> What doesn't Numbers do that ClarisWorks did?  Other than not having
>>> split sheets, that is.
>> 
>> ClarisWorks was the last program that let ME configure and keep my
>> templates, macros, and much more, move back and forth between WP, Draw, and
>> Paint (as well as others), all without having to fire up separate programs.
>> Also without cluttering each up with fixed formats I have no use for. Pages
>> doesn't even keep the templates I make properly. And the new one on the new
>> laptop is even worse! I now have to open another app to so much as change
>> fonts, to say nothing of changing font size or color, instead of a
>> drop-down menu from the menu bar, which is now cluttered with things I have
>> no use for beyond at most 1% of the time.
> 
> These things are all at the top of the document's window. And if the
> new one doesn't suit you, why not copy the older one over?

I got rid of the useless ones, but I still have to open a separate window
to do ANYTHING to the text. With the former Pages, I could change font,
font size, style, color, and it kept my most recently-used fonts at the top
of the font list, all of this in that menu in the window where they've now
put things from the pull-down menu above the document, where the features
they took out do not even exist any more.

-- 
biblioholic medievalist

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#28656

FromTim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net>
Date2015-04-09 22:12 +0100
Message-ID<090420152212570692%timstreater@greenbee.net>
In reply to#28644
In article
<572605917450299725.737210drache-notchibardun.net@news.eternal-september.
org>, Erilar <drache@notchibardun.net> wrote:

>Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> wrote:
>> In article <mfub03$95k$1@dont-email.me>, Erilar
>> <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> wrote:
>> 
>>> Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> wrote:
>>>> In article <5521dcb2$0$5314$88263eea@blocknews.net>, David Moorman
>>>> <email@domain.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> I remember ClarisWorks fondly.  I used the spreadsheet module for condo
>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>> bookkeeping, but had to switch to Excel.  Numbers didn't do what was
>>>>>>> >>> necessary.  Big loss of functionality compared to ClarisWorks. 
>>>>>>>>>> >> >> What doesn't Numbers do that ClarisWorks did?  Other than not
>having
>>>> split sheets, that is.
>>> 
>>> ClarisWorks was the last program that let ME configure and keep my
>>> templates, macros, and much more, move back and forth between WP, Draw, and
>>> Paint (as well as others), all without having to fire up separate programs.
>>> Also without cluttering each up with fixed formats I have no use for. Pages
>>> doesn't even keep the templates I make properly. And the new one on the new
>>> laptop is even worse! I now have to open another app to so much as change
>>> fonts, to say nothing of changing font size or color, instead of a
>>> drop-down menu from the menu bar, which is now cluttered with things I have
>>> no use for beyond at most 1% of the time.
>> 
>> These things are all at the top of the document's window. And if the
>> new one doesn't suit you, why not copy the older one over?
>
>I got rid of the useless ones, but I still have to open a separate window
>to do ANYTHING to the text. With the former Pages, I could change font,
>font size, style, color, and it kept my most recently-used fonts at the top
>of the font list, all of this in that menu in the window where they've now
>put things from the pull-down menu above the document, where the features
>they took out do not even exist any more.

And the former Pages still works just fine; it's what I use. Hence my
question: why did you not copy the former Pages over and continue using
it?

-- 
"A committee is a cul-de-sac down which ideas are lured and then 
 quietly strangled." - Sir Barnett Cocks (1907-1989)

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#28696

FromErilar <drache@notchibardun.net>
Date2015-04-10 20:37 +0000
Message-ID<127964658450390349.318148drache-notchibardun.net@news.eternal-september.org>
In reply to#28656
Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> wrote:
> In article
> <572605917450299725.737210drache-notchibardun.net@news.eternal-september.
>> , Erilar <drache@notchibardun.net> wrote:
> 
>> Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> wrote:
>>> In article <mfub03$95k$1@dont-email.me>, Erilar
>>> <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> wrote:
>>>>>> Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> wrote:
>>>>> In article <5521dcb2$0$5314$88263eea@blocknews.net>, David Moorman
>>>>> <email@domain.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> I remember ClarisWorks fondly.  I used the spreadsheet module for condo
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> bookkeeping, but had to switch to Excel.  Numbers didn't do what was
>>>>>>>>>>> necessary.  Big loss of functionality compared to ClarisWorks.
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >> >> What doesn't Numbers do that ClarisWorks did?  Other than not
>> having
>>>>> split sheets, that is.
>>>>>>> ClarisWorks was the last program that let ME configure and keep my
>>>> templates, macros, and much more, move back and forth between WP, Draw, and
>>>> Paint (as well as others), all without having to fire up separate programs.
>>>> Also without cluttering each up with fixed formats I have no use for. Pages
>>>> doesn't even keep the templates I make properly. And the new one on the new
>>>> laptop is even worse! I now have to open another app to so much as change
>>>> fonts, to say nothing of changing font size or color, instead of a
>>>> drop-down menu from the menu bar, which is now cluttered with things I have
>>>> no use for beyond at most 1% of the time.
>>>>> These things are all at the top of the document's window. And if the
>>> new one doesn't suit you, why not copy the older one over?
>> 
>> I got rid of the useless ones, but I still have to open a separate window
>> to do ANYTHING to the text. With the former Pages, I could change font,
>> font size, style, color, and it kept my most recently-used fonts at the top
>> of the font list, all of this in that menu in the window where they've now
>> put things from the pull-down menu above the document, where the features
>> they took out do not even exist any more.
> 
> And the former Pages still works just fine; it's what I use. Hence my
> question: why did you not copy the former Pages over and continue using
> it?

It works with the abominable Yosemite? How do I do that?

-- 
biblioholic medievalist

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