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"up"grade problems

Started byErilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid>
First post2015-04-03 20:10 +0000
Last post2015-04-04 18:03 +0000
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  "up"grade problems Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> - 2015-04-03 20:10 +0000
    Re: "up"grade problems nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-04-03 16:12 -0400
      Re: "up"grade problems Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> - 2015-04-04 00:49 +0000
        Re: "up"grade problems Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-04-04 04:23 +0000
        Re: "up"grade problems Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2015-04-04 10:07 +0000
    Re: "up"grade problems Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-04-03 20:48 +0000
      Re: "up"grade problems Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2015-04-03 21:57 +0000
        Re: "up"grade problems Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-04-04 00:00 +0000
          Re: "up"grade problems Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> - 2015-04-04 00:49 +0000
            Re: "up"grade problems Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-04-04 02:28 +0000
              Re: "up"grade problems Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> - 2015-04-04 18:03 +0000
        Re: "up"grade problems Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> - 2015-04-04 00:49 +0000
          Re: "up"grade problems Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-04-04 02:32 +0000
            Re: "up"grade problems Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> - 2015-04-04 18:03 +0000
              Re: "up"grade problems nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-04-04 14:14 -0400
                Re: "up"grade problems erilar <drache@chibardun.net.invalid> - 2015-04-04 15:48 -0500
                  Re: "up"grade problems Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-04-04 21:00 +0000
                    Re: "up"grade problems Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> - 2015-04-04 22:26 +0000
                      Re: "up"grade problems Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-04-04 22:29 +0000
                        Re: "up"grade problems Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> - 2015-04-05 02:51 +0000
                          Re: "up"grade problems Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-04-05 05:08 +0000
                            Re: "up"grade problems Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> - 2015-04-05 19:49 +0000
                              Re: "up"grade problems Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-04-05 19:53 +0000
                                Re: "up"grade problems Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> - 2015-04-06 16:07 +0000
                          Re: "up"grade problems Jim Gibson <JimSGibson@gmail.com> - 2015-04-05 16:53 -0700
                            Re: "up"grade problems Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2015-04-06 10:15 +0000
                              Re: "up"grade problems Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-04-06 13:04 +0000
                            Re: "up"grade problems Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-04-06 13:08 +0000
                            Re: "up"grade problems Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> - 2015-04-06 16:07 +0000
                              Re: "up"grade problems Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2015-04-06 18:25 +0000
                          Re: "up"grade problems David Moorman <email@domain.com> - 2015-04-05 19:52 -0500
                      Re: "up"grade problems David Moorman <email@domain.com> - 2015-04-05 19:52 -0500
                  Re: "up"grade problems David Moorman <email@domain.com> - 2015-04-05 19:49 -0500
                    Re: "up"grade problems Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-04-05 20:41 -0700
                      Re: "up"grade problems Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> - 2015-04-06 16:07 +0000
                        Re: "up"grade problems isw <isw@witzend.com> - 2015-04-06 09:30 -0700
                        Re: "up"grade problems Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2015-04-06 18:22 +0000
                          Re: "up"grade problems Erilar <drache@notchibardun.net> - 2015-04-09 19:24 +0000
                            Re: "up"grade problems Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2015-04-09 22:12 +0100
                              Re: "up"grade problems Erilar <drache@notchibardun.net> - 2015-04-10 20:37 +0000
                                Re: "up"grade problems Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2015-04-10 22:48 +0100
                                  Re: "up"grade problems Erilar <drache@notchibardun.net> - 2015-04-11 02:47 +0000
                                    Re: "up"grade problems Jim Gibson <JimSGibson@gmail.com> - 2015-04-10 22:20 -0700
                                      Re: "up"grade problems Erilar <drache@notchibardun.net> - 2015-04-12 14:40 +0000
                                        Re: "up"grade problems Erilar <drache@notchibardun.net> - 2015-04-13 21:51 +0000
                                    Re: "up"grade problems Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2015-04-11 09:38 +0100
                                      Re: "up"grade problems Erilar <drache@notchibardun.net> - 2015-04-12 14:40 +0000
                                        Re: "up"grade problems Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2015-04-12 10:52 -0400
                                        Re: "up"grade problems Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2015-04-12 11:54 -0400
                                        Re: "up"grade problems Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-04-12 15:56 +0000
                                        Re: "up"grade problems Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2015-04-12 17:01 +0100
                                          Re: "up"grade problems Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2015-04-12 09:09 -0700
                                          Re: "up"grade problems erilar <drache@chibardun.net.invalid> - 2015-04-18 19:54 -0500
                                            Re: "up"grade problems Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-04-19 02:13 +0000
                                              Re: "up"grade problems Erilar <drache@notchibardun.net> - 2015-04-20 23:18 +0000
                                                Re: "up"grade problems Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-04-21 02:01 +0000
                                            Re: "up"grade problems David Ritz <dritz@mindspring.com> - 2015-04-18 23:23 -0500
                                              Re: "up"grade problems Erilar <drache@notchibardun.net> - 2015-04-19 14:43 +0000
                                                Re: "up"grade problems David Ritz <dritz@mindspring.com> - 2015-04-19 10:32 -0500
                                            Re: "up"grade problems dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2015-04-19 18:21 +1000
                                              Re: "up"grade problems Erilar <drache@notchibardun.net> - 2015-04-20 23:18 +0000
                                                Re: "up"grade problems nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-04-20 19:22 -0400
                                                Re: "up"grade problems Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2015-04-20 19:28 -0400
                                                  Re: "up"grade problems Erilar <drache@notchibardun.net> - 2015-04-21 19:04 +0000
                                                    Re: "up"grade problems dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2015-04-22 09:00 +1000
                                                Re: "up"grade problems Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2015-04-20 17:24 -0700
                                                  Re: "up"grade problems David Ritz <dritz@mindspring.com> - 2015-04-20 20:31 -0500
                                                  Re: "up"grade problems Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2015-04-21 07:16 -0400
                                                    Re: "up"grade problems Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-04-21 13:39 +0000
                                                      Re: "up"grade problems Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2015-04-21 11:14 -0400
                                                        Re: "up"grade problems nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-04-21 11:15 -0400
                                                          Re: "up"grade problems isw <isw@witzend.com> - 2015-04-21 12:08 -0700
                                                            Re: "up"grade problems nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-04-21 15:16 -0400
                                                              Re: "up"grade problems dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2015-04-22 09:07 +1000
                                                          Re: "up"grade problems dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2015-04-22 08:57 +1000
                                                        Re: "up"grade problems Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-04-21 15:26 +0000
                                                        Re: "up"grade problems sctvguy1 <sctvguy1@invalid.net> - 2015-04-22 02:36 +0000
                                                          Re: "up"grade problems Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2015-04-22 08:19 -0400
                                                            Re: "up"grade problems sctvguy1 <sctvguy1@invalid.net> - 2015-04-25 15:40 +0000
                                                              Re: "up"grade problems Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2015-04-25 12:29 -0400
                                                              Re: "up"grade problems Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2015-04-25 14:13 -0700
                                                                Re: "up"grade problems dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2015-04-26 07:45 +1000
                                                                Re: "up"grade problems "Beauregard T. Shagnasty" <a.nony.mous@example.invalid> - 2015-04-25 21:55 +0000
                                                                  Re: "up"grade problems Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2015-04-25 18:04 -0400
                                                                  Re: "up"grade problems "Thip" <me@privacy.net> - 2015-04-25 19:11 -0400
                                                                    Re: "up"grade problems "Beauregard T. Shagnasty" <a.nony.mous@example.invalid> - 2015-04-25 23:59 +0000
                                                                  Re: "up"grade problems dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2015-04-26 09:32 +1000
                                                Re: "up"grade problems dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2015-04-21 10:47 +1000
                                                  Re: "up"grade problems Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2015-04-21 07:23 -0400
                                                    Re: "up"grade problems Erilar <drache@notchibardun.net> - 2015-04-21 19:04 +0000
                                                    Re: "up"grade problems dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2015-04-22 08:29 +1000
                                                      Re: "up"grade problems Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2015-04-21 19:04 -0400
                                                        Re: "up"grade problems Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2015-04-21 19:07 -0400
                                                          Re: "up"grade problems dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2015-04-22 12:37 +1000
                                                        Re: "up"grade problems dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2015-04-22 12:34 +1000
                                                Re: "up"grade problems Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-04-21 02:02 +0000
                                                  Re: "up"grade problems Erilar <drache@notchibardun.net> - 2015-04-21 19:04 +0000
                                                    Re: "up"grade problems Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-04-21 19:12 +0000
                                                      Re: "up"grade problems erilar <drache@chibardun.net.invalid> - 2015-04-22 11:47 -0500
                                                        Re: "up"grade problems Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-04-22 16:55 +0000
                                                        Re: "up"grade problems Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2015-04-22 13:11 -0400
                                                          Re: "up"grade problems David Ritz <dritz@mindspring.com> - 2015-04-22 14:28 -0500
                                                          Re: "up"grade problems dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2015-04-23 07:15 +1000
                                                            Re: "up"grade problems erilar <drache@chibardun.net.invalid> - 2015-04-24 07:30 -0500
                                                Re: "up"grade problems Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-04-21 04:14 +0000
                                                  Re: "up"grade problems erilar <drache@chibardun.net.invalid> - 2015-04-24 07:32 -0500
                                                Re: "up"grade problems Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2015-04-21 09:14 +0100
                                                  Re: "up"grade problems Erilar <drache@notchibardun.net> - 2015-04-21 19:04 +0000
                                        Re: "up"grade problems dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2015-04-13 07:02 +1000
                                          Re: "up"grade problems Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2015-04-12 19:32 -0400
                                          Re: "up"grade problems Erilar <drache@notchibardun.net> - 2015-04-13 21:31 +0000
                                  Re: "up"grade problems dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2015-04-18 13:50 +1200
                                    Re: "up"grade problems Erilar <drache@notchibardun.net> - 2015-04-18 01:57 +0000
                                    Re: "up"grade problems Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2015-04-18 08:35 +0100
                                      Re: "up"grade problems dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2015-04-19 15:13 +1200
                                        Re: "up"grade problems Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2015-04-19 10:13 +0100
                                          Re: "up"grade problems dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2015-04-19 22:02 +1200
                                            Re: "up"grade problems Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2015-04-19 13:14 +0100
                                          Re: "up"grade problems Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-04-20 02:16 +0000
                                      Re: "up"grade problems Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-04-19 07:44 +0000
                                        Re: "up"grade problems Erilar <drache@notchibardun.net> - 2015-04-21 19:04 +0000
                                          Re: "up"grade problems dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2015-04-22 09:15 +1200
                            Re: "up"grade problems Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-04-09 22:42 +0000
                              Re: "up"grade problems Erilar <drache@notchibardun.net> - 2015-04-10 20:37 +0000
                                Re: "up"grade problems Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2015-04-10 22:51 +0100
                                  Re: "up"grade problems erilar <drache@chibardun.net.invalid> - 2015-04-18 19:50 -0500
                                    Re: "up"grade problems Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-04-19 02:07 +0000
                                      Re: "up"grade problems Erilar <drache@notchibardun.net> - 2015-04-20 23:18 +0000
                                        Re: "up"grade problems Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-04-21 02:00 +0000
                                          Re: "up"grade problems Erilar <drache@notchibardun.net> - 2015-04-21 19:04 +0000
                                            Re: "up"grade problems Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-04-21 19:14 +0000
                                              Re: "up"grade problems erilar <drache@chibardun.net.invalid> - 2015-04-22 11:55 -0500
                                                Re: "up"grade problems Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-04-22 17:14 +0000
                                                  Re: "up"grade problems erilar <drache@chibardun.net.invalid> - 2015-04-24 07:28 -0500
                                                    Re: "up"grade problems Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-04-24 13:54 +0000
                        Re: "up"grade problems Jim Gibson <JimSGibson@gmail.com> - 2015-04-07 14:20 -0700
                          Re: "up"grade problems Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-04-08 00:58 +0000
                          Re: "up"grade problems Erilar <drache@notchibardun.net> - 2015-04-09 19:24 +0000
    Re: "up"grade problems Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-04-03 13:49 -0700
      Re: "up"grade problems Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> - 2015-04-04 18:03 +0000
        Re: "up"grade problems Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-04-04 11:16 -0700
          Re: "up"grade problems erilar <drache@chibardun.net.invalid> - 2015-04-04 15:45 -0500
            Re: "up"grade problems nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-04-04 16:58 -0400
        Re: "up"grade problems Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2015-04-04 13:43 -0700
        Re: "up"grade problems dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2015-04-05 09:46 +1100
          Re: "up"grade problems Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2015-04-04 16:49 -0700
            Re: "up"grade problems dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2015-04-05 10:06 +1100
              Re: "up"grade problems Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2015-04-04 17:41 -0700
                Re: "up"grade problems dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2015-04-05 12:32 +1100
                Re: "up"grade problems Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> - 2015-04-05 02:51 +0000
            Re: "up"grade problems Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> - 2015-04-05 02:51 +0000
            Re: "up"grade problems Erilar <drache@notchibardun.net> - 2015-04-09 19:24 +0000
          Re: "up"grade problems Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> - 2015-04-05 02:51 +0000
            Re: "up"grade problems Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2015-04-05 09:25 -0400
    Re: "up"grade problems Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2015-04-03 14:09 -0700
    Re: "up"grade problems Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2015-04-03 17:32 -0400
      Re: "up"grade problems Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> - 2015-04-04 00:49 +0000
    Re: "up"grade problems Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-04-04 03:23 +0000
      Re: "up"grade problems Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> - 2015-04-04 18:03 +0000

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#29362

FromWarren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com>
Date2015-04-22 13:11 -0400
Message-ID<5537d63f$0$38646$b1db1813$65575428@news.astraweb.com>
In reply to#29357
In article <drache-76DBE5.11475922042015@88-209-239-213.giganet.hu>,
 erilar <drache@chibardun.net.invalid> wrote:

> In article <cpnlpkF728nU2@mid.individual.net>,
>  Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
> 
> > On 2015-04-21, Erilar <drache@notchibardun.net> wrote:
> > > Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
> > >> 
> > >> In a typical home network it's either an Ethernet connection or a
> > >> wireless connection to a WiFi access point.
> > >> 
> > >> I take it you have no home network?
> > >
> > > I've had a home network for years. My 80-year-old body objects strongly 
> > > to
> > > crawling around with a flashlight under the desk kneehole trying to sort
> > > out the connections down there, though I know the Airport and cable
> > > modem-or-whatever-it-is are connected to each other down there. After 
> > > all,
> > > I somehow connected them to each other when I updated the Airport Extreme 
> > > a
> > > very few years ago, before I messed up my back last summer.
> > 
> > If you have an Airport Extreme with WiFi enabled, you can share files
> > between computers without a cable.
> 
> My computers "see" each other but won't let one access the other,

Yes they will.
-- 
Where's the Vangelis music?
Pris' tongue is sticking out in in the wide shot after Batty has kissed her.
They have put back more tits into the Zhora dressing  room scene.
  -- notes for Blade Runner

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#29389

FromDavid Ritz <dritz@mindspring.com>
Date2015-04-22 14:28 -0500
Message-ID<alpine.OSX.2.20.1504221407460.18303@mako.ath.cx>
In reply to#29362
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On Wednesday, 22 April 2015 13:11 -0400, 
 in article <5537d63f$0$38646$b1db1813$65575428@news.astraweb.com>, 
 Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> wrote:

> In article <drache-76DBE5.11475922042015@88-209-239-213.giganet.hu>,
> erilar <drache@chibardun.net.invalid> wrote:

>> In article <cpnlpkF728nU2@mid.individual.net>,
>>  Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:

>>>> On 2015-04-21, Erilar <drache@notchibardun.net> wrote:
>>>> Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:

>>>>> In a typical home network it's either an Ethernet connection or a
>>>>> wireless connection to a WiFi access point.

>>>>> I take it you have no home network?

>>>> I've had a home network for years. My 80-year-old body objects 
>>>> strongly to crawling around with a flashlight under the desk 
>>>> kneehole trying to sort out the connections down there, though I 
>>>> know the Airport and cable modem-or-whatever-it-is are connected 
>>>> to each other down there. After all, I somehow connected them to 
>>>> each other when I updated the Airport Extreme a very few years 
>>>> ago, before I messed up my back last summer.

>>> If you have an Airport Extreme with WiFi enabled, you can share 
>>> files between computers without a cable.

>> My computers "see" each other but won't let one access the other,

> Yes they will.

You might suggest addressing the issue in System Preferences > 
Sharing.  Without File Sharing ticked, on the host computer, this 
ain't goin' anywhere.

-- 
David Ritz <dritz@mindspring.com>
 Be kind to animals; kiss a shark.

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#29396

Fromdorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com>
Date2015-04-23 07:15 +1000
Message-ID<do_ray_me-9772DD.07152823042015@aioe.org>
In reply to#29362
In article <5537d63f$0$38646$b1db1813$65575428@news.astraweb.com>,
 Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> wrote:

> In article <drache-76DBE5.11475922042015@88-209-239-213.giganet.hu>,
>  erilar <drache@chibardun.net.invalid> wrote:
> 
...

> > 
> > My computers "see" each other but won't let one access the other,
>

Best to describe what you have set in prefs regarding this.

 
> Yes they will.

-- 
dorayme

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#29430

Fromerilar <drache@chibardun.net.invalid>
Date2015-04-24 07:30 -0500
Message-ID<drache-16B181.07305124042015@88-209-239-213.giganet.hu>
In reply to#29396
In article <do_ray_me-9772DD.07152823042015@aioe.org>,
 dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> wrote:

> In article <5537d63f$0$38646$b1db1813$65575428@news.astraweb.com>,
>  Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> > In article <drache-76DBE5.11475922042015@88-209-239-213.giganet.hu>,
> >  erilar <drache@chibardun.net.invalid> wrote:
> > 
> ...
> 
> > > 
> > > My computers "see" each other but won't let one access the other,
> >
> 
> Best to describe what you have set in prefs regarding this.
> 
>  
> > Yes they will.

I'll check when I'm home instead of 350 miles away 8-)

-- 
Erilar, biblioholic medievalist

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#29287

FromJolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com>
Date2015-04-21 04:14 +0000
Message-ID<cpm15rFs73fU1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#29272
On 2015-04-20, Erilar <drache@notchibardun.net> wrote:
>
> A connector with USB or Fireware on both ends? I have no idea where to find
> such a thing,  particularly now that the local Radio Shack is gone.

Most USB cables have a USB port on both ends. Same goes for Firewire
cables. You can find them online at resellers like Amazon and get them
shipped to your front door.

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I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead.

JR

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#29431

Fromerilar <drache@chibardun.net.invalid>
Date2015-04-24 07:32 -0500
Message-ID<drache-66FA0B.07323724042015@88-209-239-213.giganet.hu>
In reply to#29287
In article <cpm15rFs73fU1@mid.individual.net>,
 Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:

> On 2015-04-20, Erilar <drache@notchibardun.net> wrote:
> >
> > A connector with USB or Fireware on both ends? I have no idea where to find
> > such a thing,  particularly now that the local Radio Shack is gone.
> 
> Most USB cables have a USB port on both ends. Same goes for Firewire
> cables. You can find them online at resellers like Amazon and get them
> shipped to your front door.

The ones I have  all have, as I remember different kinds on the two 
ends. Another thing to check when I get home.

-- 
Erilar, biblioholic medievalist

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#29290

FromTim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net>
Date2015-04-21 09:14 +0100
Message-ID<210420150914118930%timstreater@greenbee.net>
In reply to#29272
In article
<305779906451264114.829772drache-notchibardun.net@news.eternal-september.
org>, Erilar <drache@notchibardun.net> wrote:

>dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> wrote:
>> In article <drache-B6ECBE.19544318042015@88-209-239-213.giganet.hu>,
>>  erilar <drache@chibardun.net.invalid> wrote:
>> 
>>>> You mount the disk from
>>>> the other machine on your Desktop. Then you open a Finder window on
>>>> that disk, and navigate to the Applications folder so you can see your
>>>> old Pages. You can do cmd-I (Get Info) on that app to confirm that it's
>>>> the old version. If you open a Finder window on your local boot disk,
>>>> where the Applications folder is, and open that, you can *then* drag
>>>> the old Pages from the old machine into your new one's Applications
>>>> folder.
>>> 
>>> I admit to stupidity, though I prefer to call it incomprehension. I 
>>> still don,t understand how that "disk" gets from one to the other.
>> 
>> It does not get from one to the other, a hard drive in one computer 
>> stays hard and in place in that computer. But a wire (like Firewire or 
>> USB cable or wifi maybe) can make *an icon* of that disk appear 
>> another computer. The icon is *caused* by the hard drive in the first 
>> computer like a light is caused to come on by the switch that is 
>> distant. And that icon, suitably clicked, can make appearances on this 
>> second computer that reveal the contents of that disk etc.
>
>A connector with USB or Fireware on both ends? I have no idea where to find
>such a thing,  particularly now that the local Radio Shack is gone.

No, ethernet, or possibly WIFI. How else are you connecting your
computers to your ADSL router? The assumption we are all making is that
this is how you're connecting to the wider Internet.

-- 
"Once you adopt the unix paradigm, the variants cease to be a problem - you
bitch, of course, but that's because bitching is fun, unlike M$ OS's, where 
bitching is required to keep your head from exploding." - S Stremler in afc

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#29309

FromErilar <drache@notchibardun.net>
Date2015-04-21 19:04 +0000
Message-ID<335505931451334255.787226drache-notchibardun.net@news.eternal-september.org>
In reply to#29290
Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> wrote:
> In article
> <305779906451264114.829772drache-notchibardun.net@news.eternal-september.
>> , Erilar <drache@notchibardun.net> wrote:
> 
>> dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> wrote:
>>> In article <drache-B6ECBE.19544318042015@88-209-239-213.giganet.hu>,
>>>  erilar <drache@chibardun.net.invalid> wrote:
>>>>>>> You mount the disk from
>>>>> the other machine on your Desktop. Then you open a Finder window on
>>>>> that disk, and navigate to the Applications folder so you can see your
>>>>> old Pages. You can do cmd-I (Get Info) on that app to confirm that it's
>>>>> the old version. If you open a Finder window on your local boot disk,
>>>>> where the Applications folder is, and open that, you can *then* drag
>>>>> the old Pages from the old machine into your new one's Applications
>>>>> folder.
>>>>>>> I admit to stupidity, though I prefer to call it incomprehension. I
>>>>>>> >>> still don,t understand how that "disk" gets from one to the other.
>>>>> It does not get from one to the other, a hard drive in one computer
>>>>> >> stays hard and in place in that computer. But a wire (like
>>>>>>> Firewire or >> USB cable or wifi maybe) can make *an icon* of that
>>>>>>> disk appear >> another computer. The icon is *caused* by the hard
>>>>>>> drive in the first >> computer like a light is caused to come on by
>>>>>>> the switch that is >> distant. And that icon, suitably clicked, can
>>>>>>> make appearances on this >> second computer that reveal the
>>>>>>> contents of that disk etc.
>> 
>> A connector with USB or Fireware on both ends? I have no idea where to find
>> such a thing,  particularly now that the local Radio Shack is gone.
> 
> No, ethernet, or possibly WIFI. How else are you connecting your
> computers to your ADSL router? The assumption we are all making is that
> this is how you're connecting to the wider Internet.

Time Capsule, printer/scanner connections are wifi, which is why they're
easily accessible from both laptops. Speakers and power supply are the only
"permanant" wired connections to the new laptop. Old Faithful G4, which
accesses the past almost two decades of stuff, is connected to the Airport
Extreme via Ethernet. That is connected to the ISP, along with the TV, via
whatever it is somewhere in the spaghetti under the desk. I have a varied
collection of cables, some of which I don't know the function of, but none
has the same connector on both ends. (Part of the collection is for
connecting things related to the TV, and others for other gadgets, but I
know what they're for).

-- 
biblioholic medievalist

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#28787

Fromdorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com>
Date2015-04-13 07:02 +1000
Message-ID<do_ray_me-D84B9F.07022513042015@aioe.org>
In reply to#28759
In article 
<664431601450542133.018120drache-notchibardun.net@news.eternal-septemb
er.org>,
 Erilar <drache@notchibardun.net> wrote:

> Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> wrote:
> > .
> > 
> > Don't tell me you don't know how to do a basic drag operation of an
> > item from A to B. How do you ever get anything done? 
> 
> I've been doing that since my first Mac.  Exactly how do you drag with a
> mouse across empty space to another computer?

Assumptions underly misunderstandings. Tim was telling you to drag 
things from disks on your computer around. You can mount the disk from 
one computer onto another and I think some standard advice about this 
has been described at other times.

But, your question may have a different answer, there may be an 
undocumented key combination that can drag a file from a computer that 
is neither physically nor wirelessly connected to another whilst also 
holding down the mouse key as you drag. You might have to bury some 
red hair at the nearest cross roads for this to work.

-- 
dorayme

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#28794

FromWarren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com>
Date2015-04-12 19:32 -0400
Message-ID<552b0078$0$44188$c3e8da3$3a1a2348@news.astraweb.com>
In reply to#28787
In article <do_ray_me-D84B9F.07022513042015@aioe.org>,
 dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> wrote:

> In article 
> <664431601450542133.018120drache-notchibardun.net@news.eternal-septemb
> er.org>,
>  Erilar <drache@notchibardun.net> wrote:
> 
> > Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> wrote:
> > > .
> > > 
> > > Don't tell me you don't know how to do a basic drag operation of an
> > > item from A to B. How do you ever get anything done? 
> > 
> > I've been doing that since my first Mac.  Exactly how do you drag with a
> > mouse across empty space to another computer?
> 
> Assumptions underly misunderstandings. Tim was telling you to drag 
> things from disks on your computer around. You can mount the disk from 
> one computer onto another and I think some standard advice about this 
> has been described at other times.
> 
> But, your question may have a different answer, there may be an 
> undocumented key combination that can drag a file from a computer that 
> is neither physically nor wirelessly connected to another whilst also 
> holding down the mouse key as you drag. You might have to bury some 
> red hair at the nearest cross roads for this to work.

No, no, not _red_ hair! Not unless your widdershins face north!
-- 
Where's the Vangelis music?
Pris' tongue is sticking out in in the wide shot after Batty has kissed her.
They have put back more tits into the Zhora dressing  room scene.
  -- notes for Blade Runner

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#28817

FromErilar <drache@notchibardun.net>
Date2015-04-13 21:31 +0000
Message-ID<179982577450568672.945141drache-notchibardun.net@news.eternal-september.org>
In reply to#28787
dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> wrote:
> In article 
> <664431601450542133.018120drache-notchibardun.net@news.eternal-septemb
> er.org>,
>  Erilar <drache@notchibardun.net> wrote:
> 
>> Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> wrote:
>>> .
>>> 
>>> Don't tell me you don't know how to do a basic drag operation of an
>>> item from A to B. How do you ever get anything done? 
>> 
>> I've been doing that since my first Mac.  Exactly how do you drag with a
>> mouse across empty space to another computer?
> 
> Assumptions underly misunderstandings. Tim was telling you to drag 
> things from disks on your computer around. You can mount the disk from 
> one computer onto another and I think some standard advice about this 
> has been described at other times.
> 
> But, your question may have a different answer, there may be an 
> undocumented key combination that can drag a file from a computer that 
> is neither physically nor wirelessly connected to another whilst also 
> holding down the mouse key as you drag. You might have to bury some 
> red hair at the nearest cross roads for this to work.

Drat! My hair has been white for decades now 8-(

-- 
biblioholic medievalist

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#28915

Fromdempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson)
Date2015-04-18 13:50 +1200
Message-ID<1m32nb3.lfhtv4mun6udN%dempson@actrix.gen.nz>
In reply to#28703
Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> wrote:

> In article
> <127964658450390349.318148drache-notchibardun.net@news.eternal-september.
> org>, Erilar <drache@notchibardun.net> wrote:
> 
> >Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> wrote:
> >> And the former Pages still works just fine; it's what I use. Hence my
> >> question: why did you not copy the former Pages over and continue using
> >> it?
> >
> >It works with the abominable Yosemite? How do I do that?
> 
> I assume so; I'm running Mavericks and don't intend to go to Yosemite
> any time soon.

I'm running iWork '09 (Keynote 5.3, Pages 4.3 and Numbers 2.3) on
Yosemite and they seem to work fine.

> On the new machine, mount the disk from the old machine that has the
> old version and navigate to its Applications folder. Open the
> Applications folder of your new machine. Then drag the old app across
> with the mouse - y'know, same as you would for moving any file.

That will not work. (I just tried - Pages 4.3 crashed on launch after
being copied to a fresh 10.10 system by drag and drop, complaining that
it wasn't installed properly.)

Erilar's old computer dates back to Snow Leopard and therefore will have
iWork '09 originally installed from CD. That variant of iWork is not
self contained within the application files. There are also several
files installed in /Library. Many of those files are necessary for the
iWork '09 applications to work at all.

To get the CD variant of iWork '09 onto another Mac, it should be
installed from the original CD.

Erilar bought the mid 2012 MacBook Pro with optical drive, so no problem
actually accessing the CD, but there will be one problem to work around:

The iWork '09 installer is old enough that it isn't recognised by the
Gatekeeper sercurity mechanism used by Mountain Lion and later.

When attempting to open the installer package, you will get a message
saying something like "iWork 09 can't be opened because it is from an
unidentified developer" with an OK button but no obvious way to allow it
to install.

To work around this: first click the OK button to get rid of that
message. Then hold down the Control key and click on the icon for the
iWork '09 installer package, then choose the Open command from the
contextual menu. You then get a message asking for confirmation and you
can choose Open.

After you have iWork '09 installed, you will also need to install the
iWork 9.3 update, which can be downloaded here:

https://support.apple.com/kb/DL1563

(iWork '09 had several updates, some of which were required for
compatibility with Lion or Mountain Lion. The 9.3 update was the last
one before the major rewrite which completely changed the iWork
applications.)

-- 
David Empson
dempson@actrix.gen.nz

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#28917

FromErilar <drache@notchibardun.net>
Date2015-04-18 01:57 +0000
Message-ID<942179711451015026.528191drache-notchibardun.net@news.eternal-september.org>
In reply to#28915
David Empson <dempson@actrix.gen.nz> wrote:
> Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> wrote:
> 
>> In article
>> <127964658450390349.318148drache-notchibardun.net@news.eternal-september.
>>> , Erilar <drache@notchibardun.net> wrote:
>> 
>>> Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> wrote:
>>>> And the former Pages still works just fine; it's what I use. Hence my
>>>> question: why did you not copy the former Pages over and continue using
>>>> it?
>>> 
>>> It works with the abominable Yosemite? How do I do that?
>> 
>> I assume so; I'm running Mavericks and don't intend to go to Yosemite
>> any time soon.
> 
> I'm running iWork '09 (Keynote 5.3, Pages 4.3 and Numbers 2.3) on
> Yosemite and they seem to work fine.
> 
>> On the new machine, mount the disk from the old machine that has the
>> old version and navigate to its Applications folder. Open the
>> Applications folder of your new machine. Then drag the old app across
>> with the mouse - y'know, same as you would for moving any file.
> 
> That will not work. (I just tried - Pages 4.3 crashed on launch after
> being copied to a fresh 10.10 system by drag and drop, complaining that
> it wasn't installed properly.)
> 
> Erilar's old computer dates back to Snow Leopard and therefore will have
> iWork '09 originally installed from CD. That variant of iWork is not
> self contained within the application files. There are also several
> files installed in /Library. Many of those files are necessary for the
> iWork '09 applications to work at all.
> 
> To get the CD variant of iWork '09 onto another Mac, it should be
> installed from the original CD.
> 
> Erilar bought the mid 2012 MacBook Pro with optical drive, so no problem
> actually accessing the CD, but there will be one problem to work around:
> 
> The iWork '09 installer is old enough that it isn't recognised by the
> Gatekeeper sercurity mechanism used by Mountain Lion and later.
> 
> When attempting to open the installer package, you will get a message
> saying something like "iWork 09 can't be opened because it is from an
> unidentified developer" with an OK button but no obvious way to allow it
> to install.
> 
> To work around this: first click the OK button to get rid of that
> message. Then hold down the Control key and click on the icon for the
> iWork '09 installer package, then choose the Open command from the
> contextual menu. You then get a message asking for confirmation and you
> can choose Open.
> 
> After you have iWork '09 installed, you will also need to install the
> iWork 9.3 update, which can be downloaded here:
> 
> https://support.apple.com/kb/DL1563
> 
> (iWork '09 had several updates, some of which were required for
> compatibility with Lion or Mountain Lion. The 9.3 update was the last
> one before the major rewrite which completely changed the iWork
> applications.)

I wonder whether I might actually HAVE a CD. . .  

-- 
biblioholic medievalist

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#28918

FromTim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net>
Date2015-04-18 08:35 +0100
Message-ID<180420150835483894%timstreater@greenbee.net>
In reply to#28915
In article <1m32nb3.lfhtv4mun6udN%dempson@actrix.gen.nz>, David Empson
<dempson@actrix.gen.nz> wrote:

>Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> wrote:
>
>> In article
>> <127964658450390349.318148drache-notchibardun.net@news.eternal-september.
>> org>, Erilar <drache@notchibardun.net> wrote:
>> 
>> >Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> wrote:
>> >> And the former Pages still works just fine; it's what I use. Hence my
>> >> question: why did you not copy the former Pages over and continue using
>> >> it?
>> >
>> >It works with the abominable Yosemite? How do I do that?
>> 
>> I assume so; I'm running Mavericks and don't intend to go to Yosemite
>> any time soon.
>
>I'm running iWork '09 (Keynote 5.3, Pages 4.3 and Numbers 2.3) on
>Yosemite and they seem to work fine.
>
>> On the new machine, mount the disk from the old machine that has the
>> old version and navigate to its Applications folder. Open the
>> Applications folder of your new machine. Then drag the old app across
>> with the mouse - y'know, same as you would for moving any file.
>
>That will not work. (I just tried - Pages 4.3 crashed on launch after
>being copied to a fresh 10.10 system by drag and drop, complaining that
>it wasn't installed properly.)

What about when using Migration Assistant on a fresh Yosemite install,
on a machine currently running Mavericks?

-- 
"I am enclosing two tickets to the first night of my new play; bring a
friend.... if you have one." - GB Shaw to Churchill "Cannot possibly
attend first night, will attend second...  if there is one." - Winston
Churchill, in response.

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#28939

Fromdempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson)
Date2015-04-19 15:13 +1200
Message-ID<1m34ag2.1uhvdegq9qh04N%dempson@actrix.gen.nz>
In reply to#28918
Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> wrote:

> In article <1m32nb3.lfhtv4mun6udN%dempson@actrix.gen.nz>, David Empson
> <dempson@actrix.gen.nz> wrote:
> 
> >Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> wrote:
> >
> >> In article
> >> <127964658450390349.318148drache-notchibardun.net@news.eternal-september.
> >> org>, Erilar <drache@notchibardun.net> wrote:
> >> 
> >> >Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> wrote:
> >> >> And the former Pages still works just fine; it's what I use. Hence my
> >> >> question: why did you not copy the former Pages over and continue using
> >> >> it?
> >> >
> >> >It works with the abominable Yosemite? How do I do that?
> >> 
> >> I assume so; I'm running Mavericks and don't intend to go to Yosemite
> >> any time soon.
> >
> >I'm running iWork '09 (Keynote 5.3, Pages 4.3 and Numbers 2.3) on
> >Yosemite and they seem to work fine.
> >
> >> On the new machine, mount the disk from the old machine that has the
> >> old version and navigate to its Applications folder. Open the
> >> Applications folder of your new machine. Then drag the old app across
> >> with the mouse - y'know, same as you would for moving any file.
> >
> >That will not work. (I just tried - Pages 4.3 crashed on launch after
> >being copied to a fresh 10.10 system by drag and drop, complaining that
> >it wasn't installed properly.)
> 
> What about when using Migration Assistant on a fresh Yosemite install,
> on a machine currently running Mavericks?

That should also work, but wasn't an option in Erilar's case (as she
already set up the new computer) so I didn't mention it.

I've successfully migrated the iWork '09 applications to new computers
twice since I first installed them, and upgraded to every intervening OS
X version in the process. I went from Mavericks to Yosemite via an
upgrade on the same computer, but I got to Mavericks via a migration to
a new computer.

-- 
David Empson
dempson@actrix.gen.nz

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#28943

FromTim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net>
Date2015-04-19 10:13 +0100
Message-ID<190420151013081189%timstreater@greenbee.net>
In reply to#28939
In article <1m34ag2.1uhvdegq9qh04N%dempson@actrix.gen.nz>, David Empson
<dempson@actrix.gen.nz> wrote:

>Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> wrote:
>
>> In article <1m32nb3.lfhtv4mun6udN%dempson@actrix.gen.nz>, David Empson
>> <dempson@actrix.gen.nz> wrote:
>> 
>> >Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> wrote:
>> >
>> >> In article
>> >> <127964658450390349.318148drache-notchibardun.net@news.eternal-september.
>> >> org>, Erilar <drache@notchibardun.net> wrote:
>> >> 
>> >> >Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> wrote:
>> >> >> And the former Pages still works just fine; it's what I use. Hence my
>> >> >> question: why did you not copy the former Pages over and continue using
>> >> >> it?
>> >> >
>> >> >It works with the abominable Yosemite? How do I do that?
>> >> 
>> >> I assume so; I'm running Mavericks and don't intend to go to Yosemite
>> >> any time soon.
>> >
>> >I'm running iWork '09 (Keynote 5.3, Pages 4.3 and Numbers 2.3) on
>> >Yosemite and they seem to work fine.
>> >
>> >> On the new machine, mount the disk from the old machine that has the
>> >> old version and navigate to its Applications folder. Open the
>> >> Applications folder of your new machine. Then drag the old app across
>> >> with the mouse - y'know, same as you would for moving any file.
>> >
>> >That will not work. (I just tried - Pages 4.3 crashed on launch after
>> >being copied to a fresh 10.10 system by drag and drop, complaining that
>> >it wasn't installed properly.)
>> 
>> What about when using Migration Assistant on a fresh Yosemite install,
>> on a machine currently running Mavericks?
>
>That should also work, but wasn't an option in Erilar's case (as she
>already set up the new computer) so I didn't mention it.

Right, but - silly question - what is Migration Assistant doing over
and above a simple copy of the .app such that Pages etc then run under
Yosemite rather than *not* running (because I did a simple drag/drop
copy). If you see what I mean.

-- 
"The problem with defending the purity of the English language is that English
is about as pure as a cribhouse whore. We don't just borrow words; on occasion,
English has pursued other languages down alleyways to beat them unconscious 
and rifle their pockets for new vocabulary."            -- James Nicoll, rasfw

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#28944

Fromdempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson)
Date2015-04-19 22:02 +1200
Message-ID<1m35ahf.ag1uw11p3ruk9N%dempson@actrix.gen.nz>
In reply to#28943
Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> wrote:

> In article <1m34ag2.1uhvdegq9qh04N%dempson@actrix.gen.nz>, David Empson
> <dempson@actrix.gen.nz> wrote:
> 
> >Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> wrote:
> >
> >> In article <1m32nb3.lfhtv4mun6udN%dempson@actrix.gen.nz>, David Empson
> >> <dempson@actrix.gen.nz> wrote:
> >> 
> >> >Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> In article
> >> >> <127964658450390349.318148drache-notchibardun.net@news.eternal-septe
> >> >> mber. org>, Erilar <drache@notchibardun.net> wrote:
> >> >> 
> >> >> >Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> wrote:
> >> >> >> And the former Pages still works just fine; it's what I use.
> >> >> >> Hence my question: why did you not copy the former Pages over and
> >> >> >> continue using it?
> >> >> >
> >> >> >It works with the abominable Yosemite? How do I do that?
> >> >> 
> >> >> I assume so; I'm running Mavericks and don't intend to go to Yosemite
> >> >> any time soon.
> >> >
> >> >I'm running iWork '09 (Keynote 5.3, Pages 4.3 and Numbers 2.3) on
> >> >Yosemite and they seem to work fine.
> >> >
> >> >> On the new machine, mount the disk from the old machine that has the
> >> >> old version and navigate to its Applications folder. Open the
> >> >> Applications folder of your new machine. Then drag the old app across
> >> >> with the mouse - y'know, same as you would for moving any file.
> >> >
> >> >That will not work. (I just tried - Pages 4.3 crashed on launch after
> >> >being copied to a fresh 10.10 system by drag and drop, complaining that
> >> >it wasn't installed properly.)
> >> 
> >> What about when using Migration Assistant on a fresh Yosemite install,
> >> on a machine currently running Mavericks?
> >
> >That should also work, but wasn't an option in Erilar's case (as she
> >already set up the new computer) so I didn't mention it.
> 
> Right, but - silly question - what is Migration Assistant doing over
> and above a simple copy of the .app such that Pages etc then run under
> Yosemite rather than *not* running (because I did a simple drag/drop
> copy). If you see what I mean.

Migration/Setup Assistant also copies files in /Library which it knows
are not part of the base system, thereby getting all the extra files
required by iWork '09.

Trying to do this manually is difficult, if you don't know what was
installed where or how to look for the details. If you have the
installer it is much easier to just install it again on the other
computer, then update it.

Especially because an attempt to copy a Snow Leopard version of iWork
'09 to a Mountain Lion or later system will be getting an outdated
version.

-- 
David Empson
dempson@actrix.gen.nz

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#28945

FromTim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net>
Date2015-04-19 13:14 +0100
Message-ID<190420151314042152%timstreater@greenbee.net>
In reply to#28944
In article <1m35ahf.ag1uw11p3ruk9N%dempson@actrix.gen.nz>, David Empson
<dempson@actrix.gen.nz> wrote:

>Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> wrote:
>
>> In article <1m34ag2.1uhvdegq9qh04N%dempson@actrix.gen.nz>, David Empson
>> <dempson@actrix.gen.nz> wrote:
>> 
>> >Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> wrote:

>> >> >> On the new machine, mount the disk from the old machine that has the
>> >> >> old version and navigate to its Applications folder. Open the
>> >> >> Applications folder of your new machine. Then drag the old app across
>> >> >> with the mouse - y'know, same as you would for moving any file.
>> >> >
>> >> >That will not work. (I just tried - Pages 4.3 crashed on launch after
>> >> >being copied to a fresh 10.10 system by drag and drop, complaining that
>> >> >it wasn't installed properly.)
>> >> 
>> >> What about when using Migration Assistant on a fresh Yosemite install,
>> >> on a machine currently running Mavericks?
>> >
>> >That should also work, but wasn't an option in Erilar's case (as she
>> >already set up the new computer) so I didn't mention it.
>> 
>> Right, but - silly question - what is Migration Assistant doing over
>> and above a simple copy of the .app such that Pages etc then run under
>> Yosemite rather than *not* running (because I did a simple drag/drop
>> copy). If you see what I mean.
>
>Migration/Setup Assistant also copies files in /Library which it knows
>are not part of the base system, thereby getting all the extra files
>required by iWork '09.
>
>Trying to do this manually is difficult, if you don't know what was
>installed where or how to look for the details. If you have the
>installer it is much easier to just install it again on the other
>computer, then update it.
>
>Especially because an attempt to copy a Snow Leopard version of iWork
>'09 to a Mountain Lion or later system will be getting an outdated
>version.

Thanks - that's clear now.

-- 
"Once you adopt the unix paradigm, the variants cease to be a problem - you
bitch, of course, but that's because bitching is fun, unlike M$ OS's, where 
bitching is required to keep your head from exploding." - S Stremler in afc

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#28987

FromLewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies>
Date2015-04-20 02:16 +0000
Message-ID<slrnmj8ods.g3.g.kreme@amelia.local>
In reply to#28943
In message <190420151013081189%timstreater@greenbee.net> 
  Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> wrote:
> In article <1m34ag2.1uhvdegq9qh04N%dempson@actrix.gen.nz>, David Empson
> <dempson@actrix.gen.nz> wrote:

>>Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> wrote:
>>
>>> In article <1m32nb3.lfhtv4mun6udN%dempson@actrix.gen.nz>, David Empson
>>> <dempson@actrix.gen.nz> wrote:
>>> 
>>> >Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> wrote:
>>> >
>>> >> In article
>>> >> <127964658450390349.318148drache-notchibardun.net@news.eternal-september.
>>> >> org>, Erilar <drache@notchibardun.net> wrote:
>>> >> 
>>> >> >Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> wrote:
>>> >> >> And the former Pages still works just fine; it's what I use. Hence my
>>> >> >> question: why did you not copy the former Pages over and continue using
>>> >> >> it?
>>> >> >
>>> >> >It works with the abominable Yosemite? How do I do that?
>>> >> 
>>> >> I assume so; I'm running Mavericks and don't intend to go to Yosemite
>>> >> any time soon.
>>> >
>>> >I'm running iWork '09 (Keynote 5.3, Pages 4.3 and Numbers 2.3) on
>>> >Yosemite and they seem to work fine.
>>> >
>>> >> On the new machine, mount the disk from the old machine that has the
>>> >> old version and navigate to its Applications folder. Open the
>>> >> Applications folder of your new machine. Then drag the old app across
>>> >> with the mouse - y'know, same as you would for moving any file.
>>> >
>>> >That will not work. (I just tried - Pages 4.3 crashed on launch after
>>> >being copied to a fresh 10.10 system by drag and drop, complaining that
>>> >it wasn't installed properly.)
>>> 
>>> What about when using Migration Assistant on a fresh Yosemite install,
>>> on a machine currently running Mavericks?
>>
>>That should also work, but wasn't an option in Erilar's case (as she
>>already set up the new computer) so I didn't mention it.

> Right, but - silly question - what is Migration Assistant doing over
> and above a simple copy of the .app such that Pages etc then run under
> Yosemite rather than *not* running (because I did a simple drag/drop
> copy).

Copying all the parts of Pages that are not in the .app bundle.


-- 
'Life's like a beach. And then you die.' --Small Gods

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#28941

FromLewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies>
Date2015-04-19 07:44 +0000
Message-ID<slrnmj6n82.1fl.g.kreme@amelia.local>
In reply to#28918
In message <180420150835483894%timstreater@greenbee.net> 
  Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> wrote:
> In article <1m32nb3.lfhtv4mun6udN%dempson@actrix.gen.nz>, David Empson
> <dempson@actrix.gen.nz> wrote:

>>Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> wrote:
>>
>>> In article
>>> <127964658450390349.318148drache-notchibardun.net@news.eternal-september.
>>> org>, Erilar <drache@notchibardun.net> wrote:
>>> 
>>> >Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> wrote:
>>> >> And the former Pages still works just fine; it's what I use. Hence my
>>> >> question: why did you not copy the former Pages over and continue using
>>> >> it?
>>> >
>>> >It works with the abominable Yosemite? How do I do that?
>>> 
>>> I assume so; I'm running Mavericks and don't intend to go to Yosemite
>>> any time soon.
>>
>>I'm running iWork '09 (Keynote 5.3, Pages 4.3 and Numbers 2.3) on
>>Yosemite and they seem to work fine.
>>
>>> On the new machine, mount the disk from the old machine that has the
>>> old version and navigate to its Applications folder. Open the
>>> Applications folder of your new machine. Then drag the old app across
>>> with the mouse - y'know, same as you would for moving any file.
>>
>>That will not work. (I just tried - Pages 4.3 crashed on launch after
>>being copied to a fresh 10.10 system by drag and drop, complaining that
>>it wasn't installed properly.)

> What about when using Migration Assistant on a fresh Yosemite install,
> on a machine currently running Mavericks?

Pages 4.3 definitely works on Yosemite, but Pages has never been a "drag
and drop" install. You have to install iWork 09 properly.

-- 
If you could do a sort of relief map of sinfulness, wickedness and
all-round immorality, rather like those representations of the
gravitational field around a Black Hole, then even in Ankh-Morpork the
Shades would be represented by a shaft. In fact the Shades was
remarkably like the aforesaid well-known astrological phenomenon: it had
a certain strong attraction, no light escaped from it, and it could
indeed become a gateway to another world. The next one.

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