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  Can't receive mail with a POP account with Yosemite Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-07-29 19:21 -0700
    Re: Can't receive mail with a POP account with Yosemite dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2014-07-30 14:35 +1200
      Re: Can't receive mail with a POP account with Yosemite Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-07-29 22:03 -0700
        Re: Can't receive mail with a POP account with Yosemite dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2014-07-30 17:55 +1200
          Re: Can't receive mail with a POP account with Yosemite Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-07-30 00:26 -0700
            Re: Can't receive mail with a POP account with Yosemite Bruce Esquibel <bje@ripco.com> - 2014-07-30 12:21 +0000
              Re: Can't receive mail with a POP account with Yosemite Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-07-30 13:10 +0000
              Re: Can't receive mail with a POP account with Yosemite Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-07-30 07:57 -0700
            Re: Can't receive mail with a POP account with Yosemite Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-07-30 13:06 +0000
              Re: Can't receive mail with a POP account with Yosemite Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-07-30 07:58 -0700
                Re: Can't receive mail with a POP account with Yosemite Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-07-30 15:25 +0000
                  Re: Can't receive mail with a POP account with Yosemite Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-07-30 08:44 -0700
                    Re: Can't receive mail with a POP account with Yosemite Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-07-30 18:00 +0000
                      Re: Can't receive mail with a POP account with Yosemite Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-07-30 12:39 -0700
                      Re: Can't receive mail with a POP account with Yosemite Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> - 2014-07-30 16:27 -0400
                        Re: Can't receive mail with a POP account with Yosemite Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-07-30 13:35 -0700
                          Re: Can't receive mail with a POP account with Yosemite Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> - 2014-07-30 16:41 -0400
                            Re: Can't receive mail with a POP account with Yosemite Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-07-30 14:07 -0700
                            Re: Can't receive mail with a POP account with Yosemite Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-07-31 00:07 +0000
                              Re: Can't receive mail with a POP account with Yosemite Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> - 2014-07-31 18:15 -0400
                                Re: Can't receive mail with a POP account with Yosemite Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-08-01 01:10 +0000
                                  Re: Can't receive mail with a POP account with Yosemite Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> - 2014-08-01 10:57 -0400
                                    Re: Can't receive mail with a POP account with Yosemite Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-08-01 14:58 +0000
                                Re: Can't receive mail with a POP account with Yosemite Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-07-31 20:59 -0700
                          Re: Can't receive mail with a POP account with Yosemite Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-07-31 00:05 +0000
                        Re: Can't receive mail with a POP account with Yosemite Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-07-31 00:04 +0000
                  Re: Can't receive mail with a POP account with Yosemite Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-07-30 18:03 -0700
                    Re: Can't receive mail with a POP account with Yosemite Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-07-31 01:56 +0000
                      Re: Can't receive mail with a POP account with Yosemite Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-07-30 20:17 -0700
                        Re: Can't receive mail with a POP account with Yosemite Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-07-31 04:19 +0000
                          Re: Can't receive mail with a POP account with Yosemite Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-07-30 21:36 -0700
                Re: Can't receive mail with a POP account with Yosemite Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-08-01 15:23 +0000
            Re: Can't receive mail with a POP account with Yosemite Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-07-30 13:13 +0000
              Re: Can't receive mail with a POP account with Yosemite Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-07-30 07:59 -0700
                Re: Can't receive mail with a POP account with Yosemite Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-07-30 15:24 +0000
                  Re: Can't receive mail with a POP account with Yosemite Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-07-30 08:46 -0700
                    Re: Can't receive mail with a POP account with Yosemite Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-07-30 17:58 +0000
                      Re: Can't receive mail with a POP account with Yosemite Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-07-30 12:35 -0700
                        Re: Can't receive mail with a POP account with Yosemite Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-07-31 00:01 +0000
    Re: Can't receive mail with a POP account with Yosemite Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-07-30 02:36 +0000
      Re: Can't receive mail with a POP account with Yosemite Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-07-29 22:10 -0700
        Re: Can't receive mail with a POP account with Yosemite Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-08-01 15:16 +0000
          Re: Can't receive mail with a POP account with Yosemite Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-08-01 08:46 -0700
            Re: Can't receive mail with a POP account with Yosemite Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-08-01 15:48 +0000
            Re: Can't receive mail with a POP account with Yosemite Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-08-02 00:40 +0000
              Re: Can't receive mail with a POP account with Yosemite MartinC <noreply@nospam.invalid> - 2014-08-02 12:57 +0200
                Re: Can't receive mail with a POP account with Yosemite nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-08-02 07:04 -0400
                  Re: Can't receive mail with a POP account with Yosemite MartinC <noreply@nospam.invalid> - 2014-08-02 13:42 +0200
                    Re: Can't receive mail with a POP account with Yosemite Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-08-02 12:52 +0000
                      Re: Can't receive mail with a POP account with Yosemite nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-08-02 09:00 -0400
                    Re: Can't receive mail with a POP account with Yosemite Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-08-02 13:36 +0000
                    Re: Can't receive mail with a POP account with Yosemite Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> - 2014-08-02 13:48 -0400
                      Re: Can't receive mail with a POP account with Yosemite dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2014-08-03 08:43 +1000
                Re: Can't receive mail with a POP account with Yosemite Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-08-02 12:48 +0000
                  Re: Can't receive mail with a POP account with Yosemite MartinC <noreply@nospam.invalid> - 2014-08-02 15:37 +0200

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#23834

On 2014-07-31, Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> wrote:
> In article <c3tfmbF8g57U4@mid.individual.net>,
>  Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
>
>> On 2014-07-30, Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> wrote:
>> >
>> > If this just started with Yosemite, I guess you should report it to 
>> > Apple. This is the whole point of being a beta tester, right? You're 
>> > expecting problems, so you can report them to Apple and they can fix 
>> > them before the official release.
>> 
>> What would this bug report be, though - that Mail should not be using
>> APOP? To me it seems this is working as designed, and the real issue is
>> that the *server* is not accepting authentication properly, no?
>
> I don't have Yosemite, but in Snow Leopard, Password and APOP are 
> separate choices in the Authentication menu. If the APOP option is gone, 
> then you can submit a feature request that they add it back. If it's 
> still there, but she hasn't chosen it, the bug would be that it uses a 
> different authentication mechanism than the one you configured.
>
> It may be working as designed, but the design could be wrong. If 3+3 
> returns 5, it doesn't become correct just because you document it in the 
> processor manual.

I'm just thinking if Mail is *designed* to use APOP whenever the POP
server indicates that it is supported, the bug report will simply be
marked as "working as designed". It's worth a shot either way, though.

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#23845

In article <c407nnFq2f4U1@mid.individual.net>,
 Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:

> On 2014-07-31, Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> wrote:
> > In article <c3tfmbF8g57U4@mid.individual.net>,
> >  Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
> >
> >> On 2014-07-30, Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> wrote:
> >> >
> >> > If this just started with Yosemite, I guess you should report it to 
> >> > Apple. This is the whole point of being a beta tester, right? You're 
> >> > expecting problems, so you can report them to Apple and they can fix 
> >> > them before the official release.
> >> 
> >> What would this bug report be, though - that Mail should not be using
> >> APOP? To me it seems this is working as designed, and the real issue is
> >> that the *server* is not accepting authentication properly, no?
> >
> > I don't have Yosemite, but in Snow Leopard, Password and APOP are 
> > separate choices in the Authentication menu. If the APOP option is gone, 
> > then you can submit a feature request that they add it back. If it's 
> > still there, but she hasn't chosen it, the bug would be that it uses a 
> > different authentication mechanism than the one you configured.
> >
> > It may be working as designed, but the design could be wrong. If 3+3 
> > returns 5, it doesn't become correct just because you document it in the 
> > processor manual.
> 
> I'm just thinking if Mail is *designed* to use APOP whenever the POP
> server indicates that it is supported, the bug report will simply be
> marked as "working as designed". It's worth a shot either way, though.

But since the authentication menu still contains APOP as a separate 
option, as Michelle confirmed it does, they shouldn't override the 
user's choice.

It's fine to have an option where the application figures it out 
automatically, like they do for the outgoing port number. But they 
shouldn't treat the Password option as "APOP or Password".

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#23846

On 2014-08-01, Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> wrote:
> In article <c407nnFq2f4U1@mid.individual.net>,
>  Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
>
>> On 2014-07-31, Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> wrote:
>> > In article <c3tfmbF8g57U4@mid.individual.net>,
>> >  Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >> On 2014-07-30, Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> > If this just started with Yosemite, I guess you should report it to 
>> >> > Apple. This is the whole point of being a beta tester, right? You're 
>> >> > expecting problems, so you can report them to Apple and they can fix 
>> >> > them before the official release.
>> >> 
>> >> What would this bug report be, though - that Mail should not be using
>> >> APOP? To me it seems this is working as designed, and the real issue is
>> >> that the *server* is not accepting authentication properly, no?
>> >
>> > I don't have Yosemite, but in Snow Leopard, Password and APOP are 
>> > separate choices in the Authentication menu. If the APOP option is gone, 
>> > then you can submit a feature request that they add it back. If it's 
>> > still there, but she hasn't chosen it, the bug would be that it uses a 
>> > different authentication mechanism than the one you configured.
>> >
>> > It may be working as designed, but the design could be wrong. If 3+3 
>> > returns 5, it doesn't become correct just because you document it in the 
>> > processor manual.
>> 
>> I'm just thinking if Mail is *designed* to use APOP whenever the POP
>> server indicates that it is supported, the bug report will simply be
>> marked as "working as designed". It's worth a shot either way, though.
>
> But since the authentication menu still contains APOP as a separate 
> option, as Michelle confirmed it does, they shouldn't override the 
> user's choice.
>
> It's fine to have an option where the application figures it out 
> automatically, like they do for the outgoing port number. But they 
> shouldn't treat the Password option as "APOP or Password".

Agreed.

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#23835

In article <barmar-A9EB6D.18154931072014@news.eternal-september.org>,
Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> wrote:

> > What would this bug report be, though - that Mail should not be using
> > APOP? To me it seems this is working as designed, and the real issue is
> > that the *server* is not accepting authentication properly, no?
> 
> I don't have Yosemite, but in Snow Leopard, Password and APOP are 
> separate choices in the Authentication menu. If the APOP option is gone, 
> then you can submit a feature request that they add it back. If it's 
> still there, but she hasn't chosen it, the bug would be that it uses a 
> different authentication mechanism than the one you configured.

The options are
External (TLS client Certificate)
Kerberos Version 5 (GSSAPI)
NTLM
MD5 Challenge-Response
Authenticated POP (APOP)
Password


> It may be working as designed, but the design could be wrong. If 3+3 
> returns 5, it doesn't become correct just because you document it in the 
> processor manual.

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#23814

On 2014-07-30, Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> wrote:
> In article <barmar-AE3ED9.16273630072014@news.eternal-september.org>,
> Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> wrote:
>
>> It looks like Mail uses APOP whenever the POP server indicates that it 
>> supports this. According to RFC 1460, the server indicates this ability 
>> by including <process-ID.clock@hostname> in the initial greeting banner.
>> 
>> If you look at the two log files Michelle sent, the one from the server 
>> she's having a problem with sends this greeting banner:
>> 
>> +OK <421.1406704763@pop.secureserver.net>
>> 
>> while the one that works OK sends:
>> 
>> +OK fed1rmfepo101 InterMail POP3 server ready.
>> 
>> The first one indicates that APOP is supported.
>
> Is there anything that I can do at this end to fix the problem?

It doesn't seem like the problem is on your end. If APOP authentication
is failing on the server, the it's likely something your email service
provider will need to fix (assuming you are indeed using the proper
configuration settings for that server, and the correct credentials). At
this point, I think I would contact the email service provider for
assistance. They can examine the server to see what's going on there
when you connect.

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#23813

On 2014-07-30, Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> wrote:
> In article <c3sq63F45r9U2@mid.individual.net>,
>  Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
>
>> I think the fact that Mail says it is using APOP and the password is
>> incorrect points to settings not being correct. Could it be you have
>> multiple Mail accounts configured for this server, and the log messages
>> are actually from a duplicate account rather than the one you happen to
>> be looking at in Mail Preferences > Accounts?
>
> It looks like Mail uses APOP whenever the POP server indicates that it 
> supports this.

Yeah, maybe.

> According to RFC 1460, the server indicates this ability 
> by including <process-ID.clock@hostname> in the initial greeting banner.
>
> If you look at the two log files Michelle sent, the one from the server 
> she's having a problem with sends this greeting banner:
>
> +OK <421.1406704763@pop.secureserver.net>
>
> while the one that works OK sends:
>
> +OK fed1rmfepo101 InterMail POP3 server ready.
>
> The first one indicates that APOP is supported.

Good catch. So that's probably what's going on. It could be the server
is simply improperly configured in some way so that APOP sessions fail.
An email to the email provider may be in order here.

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#23818

In article <c3sh36F287aU2@mid.individual.net>, Jolly Roger
<jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:

> >> The email server says you supplied the incorrect password.
> >
> > Yes, I know that's what it says, but I know that I supplied the correct
> > one.
> 
> Not according to the log you listed.
> 
> Have you tried contacting your email service provider for assistance?
> Surely they can tell you which settings you should be using.

I took an easier way out; I'm switching from godaddy to hostmonster. 
This will dump that POP3 server in favor of an IMAP server and
consolidate both of my domains with the same registrar and hosting
service.  It's something that I've been thinking of doing for quite a
while anyway, and this problem got me off my inertia.

Hostmonster is charging me only for a one-year extension of the
registration ($11.99).

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#23820

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On 2014-07-31, Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> wrote:
> In article <c3sh36F287aU2@mid.individual.net>, Jolly Roger
><jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
>
>> >> The email server says you supplied the incorrect password.
>> >
>> > Yes, I know that's what it says, but I know that I supplied the correct
>> > one.
>> 
>> Not according to the log you listed.
>> 
>> Have you tried contacting your email service provider for assistance?
>> Surely they can tell you which settings you should be using.
>
> I took an easier way out; I'm switching from godaddy to hostmonster. 
> This will dump that POP3 server in favor of an IMAP server and
> consolidate both of my domains with the same registrar and hosting
> service.  It's something that I've been thinking of doing for quite a
> while anyway, and this problem got me off my inertia.
>
> Hostmonster is charging me only for a one-year extension of the
> registration ($11.99).

That'll do!  I doubt you would get very effective help from GoDaddy
anyway. They are pretty much bottom of the barrel. : D

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#23822

In article <c3tm2hF9npiU1@mid.individual.net>, Jolly Roger
<jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:

> > I took an easier way out; I'm switching from godaddy to hostmonster. 
> > This will dump that POP3 server in favor of an IMAP server and
> > consolidate both of my domains with the same registrar and hosting
> > service.  It's something that I've been thinking of doing for quite a
> > while anyway, and this problem got me off my inertia.
> >
> > Hostmonster is charging me only for a one-year extension of the
> > registration ($11.99).
> 
> That'll do!  I doubt you would get very effective help from GoDaddy
> anyway. They are pretty much bottom of the barrel. : D

When I started with them, they were strictly local for the Arizona area.

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#23826

On 2014-07-31, Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> wrote:
> In article <c3tm2hF9npiU1@mid.individual.net>, Jolly Roger
><jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
>
>> > I took an easier way out; I'm switching from godaddy to hostmonster. 
>> > This will dump that POP3 server in favor of an IMAP server and
>> > consolidate both of my domains with the same registrar and hosting
>> > service.  It's something that I've been thinking of doing for quite a
>> > while anyway, and this problem got me off my inertia.
>> >
>> > Hostmonster is charging me only for a one-year extension of the
>> > registration ($11.99).
>> 
>> That'll do!  I doubt you would get very effective help from GoDaddy
>> anyway. They are pretty much bottom of the barrel. : D
>
> When I started with them, they were strictly local for the Arizona area.

Oh, wow. Is that where they started out? How long ago was that?

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#23827

In article <c3tuegFb7erU2@mid.individual.net>, Jolly Roger
<jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:

> >> That'll do!  I doubt you would get very effective help from GoDaddy
> >> anyway. They are pretty much bottom of the barrel. : D
> >
> > When I started with them, they were strictly local for the Arizona area.
> 
> Oh, wow. Is that where they started out? How long ago was that?

It started as Jomax Technologies in 1997, and changed its name to
GoDaddy in 1999.  I became aa customer in 2001 or 2002.  They became
nationwide as a result of their first Superbowl ad.

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#23851

Okay, so one time? In band camp? Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> was all, like: 
 --> 	 Wed, 30 Jul 2014 07:58:16 -0700 <300720140758168260%michelle@michelle.org>
> In article <c3s8uvFhmuU1@mid.individual.net>, Jolly Roger
> <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:

>> The email server says you supplied the incorrect password.

> Yes, I know that's what it says, but I know that I supplied the correct
> one.

Yes, but the SERVER says it was wrong, so... nothing you can do about
it. Copy and paste the password from cleartext into to different
connection types, Mail.app and something that works. Then file a bug
report detailing what you did (and the real name of the server you are
connecting to).

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#23792

On 2014-07-30, Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> wrote:
> In article <1lply2v.1mjc5fa8wj48aN%dempson@actrix.gen.nz>, David Empson
><dempson@actrix.gen.nz> wrote:
>
> Here is the result; I replaced the name of domain with "placeholder". 
> It says "wrong password", but I know that it is the correct password.
>
[snip]
>
> WROTE Jul 30 00:19:23.509 [kCFStreamSocketSecurityLevelTLSv1_0] --
> host:mail.placeholder.com -- port:995 -- socket:0x6080006a2d60 --
> thread:0x610000469880
> APOP michelle@placeholder.com 738fc6587a45a10d411867f34f4df289

You are using Authenticated POP, which some server configurations do not
support. You might try changing Mail Preferences > Accounts > (Your
Account) > Advanced > Authentication to "Password" rather than APOP.

Your email service provider should tell you which settings you should be
using.

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#23795

In article <c3s9b1FhmuU4@mid.individual.net>, Jolly Roger
<jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:

> You are using Authenticated POP, which some server configurations do not
> support. You might try changing Mail Preferences > Accounts > (Your
> Account) > Advanced > Authentication to "Password" rather than APOP.
> 
> Your email service provider should tell you which settings you should be
> using.

It is set, and always has been set, to "Password".

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#23796

On 2014-07-30, Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> wrote:
> In article <c3s9b1FhmuU4@mid.individual.net>, Jolly Roger
><jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
>
>> You are using Authenticated POP, which some server configurations do not
>> support. You might try changing Mail Preferences > Accounts > (Your
>> Account) > Advanced > Authentication to "Password" rather than APOP.
>> 
>> Your email service provider should tell you which settings you should be
>> using.
>
> It is set, and always has been set, to "Password".

Not according to the log you listed.

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#23799

In article <c3sh0qF287aU1@mid.individual.net>, Jolly Roger
<jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:

> On 2014-07-30, Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> wrote:
> > In article <c3s9b1FhmuU4@mid.individual.net>, Jolly Roger
> ><jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
> >
> >> You are using Authenticated POP, which some server configurations do not
> >> support. You might try changing Mail Preferences > Accounts > (Your
> >> Account) > Advanced > Authentication to "Password" rather than APOP.
> >> 
> >> Your email service provider should tell you which settings you should be
> >> using.
> >
> > It is set, and always has been set, to "Password".
> 
> Not according to the log you listed.

Must I provide a screen shot to prove that I am able to read what the
popup menu says??????

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#23800

On 2014-07-30, Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> wrote:
> In article <c3sh0qF287aU1@mid.individual.net>, Jolly Roger
><jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
>
>> On 2014-07-30, Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> wrote:
>> > In article <c3s9b1FhmuU4@mid.individual.net>, Jolly Roger
>> ><jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >> You are using Authenticated POP, which some server configurations do not
>> >> support. You might try changing Mail Preferences > Accounts > (Your
>> >> Account) > Advanced > Authentication to "Password" rather than APOP.
>> >> 
>> >> Your email service provider should tell you which settings you should be
>> >> using.
>> >
>> > It is set, and always has been set, to "Password".
>> 
>> Not according to the log you listed.
>
> Must I provide a screen shot to prove that I am able to read what the
> popup menu says??????

That may very well be, but the point is according to the log, Mail is
using APOP. Have you tried deleting and re-creating this account in Mail
Preferences?

It might be nice to know what would happen if you create a brand-new Mac
OS X user account, log into it, and configure Mail in that account.

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#23802

In article <c3sq2sF45r9U1@mid.individual.net>, Jolly Roger
<jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:

> >> >> You are using Authenticated POP, which some server configurations do not
> >> >> support. You might try changing Mail Preferences > Accounts > (Your
> >> >> Account) > Advanced > Authentication to "Password" rather than APOP.
> >> >> 
> >> >> Your email service provider should tell you which settings you should be
> >> >> using.
> >> >
> >> > It is set, and always has been set, to "Password".
> >> 
> >> Not according to the log you listed.
> >
> > Must I provide a screen shot to prove that I am able to read what the
> > popup menu says??????
> 
> That may very well be, but the point is according to the log, Mail is
> using APOP. 

Then perhaps there's a bug in mail, and I should report it to Apple.

> Have you tried deleting and re-creating this account in Mail
> Preferences?
> 
> It might be nice to know what would happen if you create a brand-new Mac
> OS X user account, log into it, and configure Mail in that account.

I haven't tried those yet; I was hoping that someone here might know a
solution that didn't require doing that.

Here's a log from another POP account,with a different ISP; the
Authentication popup menu says "Password".

INITIATING CONNECTION Jul 30 12:29:20.016 host:pop.cox.net -- port:995
-- socket:0x0 -- thread:0x610000e67d40

CONNECTED Jul 30 12:29:20.155 [kCFStreamSocketSecurityLevelTLSv1_0] --
host:pop.cox.net -- port:995 -- socket:0x6080006a1b60 --
thread:0x610000e67d40

READ Jul 30 12:29:20.155 [kCFStreamSocketSecurityLevelTLSv1_0] --
host:pop.cox.net -- port:995 -- socket:0x6080006a1b60 --
thread:0x610000e67d40
+OK fed1rmfepo101 InterMail POP3 server ready.


WROTE Jul 30 12:29:20.158 [kCFStreamSocketSecurityLevelTLSv1_0] --
host:pop.cox.net -- port:995 -- socket:0x6080006a1b60 --
thread:0x610000e67d40
CAPA


READ Jul 30 12:29:20.179 [kCFStreamSocketSecurityLevelTLSv1_0] --
host:pop.cox.net -- port:995 -- socket:0x6080006a1b60 --
thread:0x610000e67d40
+OK Capability list follows

TOP

USER

RESP_CODES

PIPELINING

EXPIRE 365

UIDL

IMPLEMENTATION Openwave Email vM.8.01.05.15 201-2260-151-145-20131218


READ Jul 30 12:29:20.216 [kCFStreamSocketSecurityLevelTLSv1_0] --
host:pop.cox.net -- port:995 -- socket:0x6080006a1b60 --
thread:0x610000e67d40
.


WROTE Jul 30 12:29:20.216 [kCFStreamSocketSecurityLevelTLSv1_0] --
host:pop.cox.net -- port:995 -- socket:0x6080006a1b60 --
thread:0x610000e67d40
USER michelle-lists


READ Jul 30 12:29:20.234 [kCFStreamSocketSecurityLevelTLSv1_0] --
host:pop.cox.net -- port:995 -- socket:0x6080006a1b60 --
thread:0x610000e67d40
+OK please send PASS command


WROTE Jul 30 12:29:20.235 [kCFStreamSocketSecurityLevelTLSv1_0] --
host:pop.cox.net -- port:995 -- socket:0x6080006a1b60 --
thread:0x610000e67d40
PASS ***********


READ Jul 30 12:29:20.284 [kCFStreamSocketSecurityLevelTLSv1_0] --
host:pop.cox.net -- port:995 -- socket:0x6080006a1b60 --
thread:0x610000e67d40
+OK michelle-lists is welcome here


WROTE Jul 30 12:29:20.284 [kCFStreamSocketSecurityLevelTLSv1_0] --
host:pop.cox.net -- port:995 -- socket:0x6080006a1b60 --
thread:0x610000e67d40
STAT 


READ Jul 30 12:29:20.357 [kCFStreamSocketSecurityLevelTLSv1_0] --
host:pop.cox.net -- port:995 -- socket:0x6080006a1b60 --
thread:0x610000e67d40
+OK 268 3347622


WROTE Jul 30 12:29:20.358 [kCFStreamSocketSecurityLevelTLSv1_0] --
host:pop.cox.net -- port:995 -- socket:0x6080006a1b60 --
thread:0x610000e67d40
UIDL 1


READ Jul 30 12:29:20.375 [kCFStreamSocketSecurityLevelTLSv1_0] --
host:pop.cox.net -- port:995 -- socket:0x6080006a1b60 --
thread:0x610000e67d40
+OK 1 <VCBv1o00r0Q8KjW01CBxrd>


WROTE Jul 30 12:29:20.375 [kCFStreamSocketSecurityLevelTLSv1_0] --
host:pop.cox.net -- port:995 -- socket:0x6080006a1b60 --
thread:0x610000e67d40
UIDL 268


READ Jul 30 12:29:20.393 [kCFStreamSocketSecurityLevelTLSv1_0] --
host:pop.cox.net -- port:995 -- socket:0x6080006a1b60 --
thread:0x610000e67d40
+OK 268 <YhSR1o0184JjPhN01hSTjs>


WROTE Jul 30 12:29:20.394 [kCFStreamSocketSecurityLevelTLSv1_0] --
host:pop.cox.net -- port:995 -- socket:0x6080006a1b60 --
thread:0x610000e67d40
QUIT


READ Jul 30 12:29:20.411 [kCFStreamSocketSecurityLevelTLSv1_0] --
host:pop.cox.net -- port:995 -- socket:0x6080006a1b60 --
thread:0x610000e67d40
+OK michelle-lists InterMail POP3 server signing off.

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#23812

On 2014-07-30, Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> wrote:
> In article <c3sq2sF45r9U1@mid.individual.net>, Jolly Roger
><jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
>
>> >> >> You are using Authenticated POP, which some server configurations do not
>> >> >> support. You might try changing Mail Preferences > Accounts > (Your
>> >> >> Account) > Advanced > Authentication to "Password" rather than APOP.
>> >> >> 
>> >> >> Your email service provider should tell you which settings you should be
>> >> >> using.
>> >> >
>> >> > It is set, and always has been set, to "Password".
>> >> 
>> >> Not according to the log you listed.
>> >
>> > Must I provide a screen shot to prove that I am able to read what the
>> > popup menu says??????
>> 
>> That may very well be, but the point is according to the log, Mail is
>> using APOP. 
>
> Then perhaps there's a bug in mail, and I should report it to Apple.

Could be, yep. If this wasn't a beta, I'd say giving them a call to let
them troubleshoot the problem might be worth your time.

>> Have you tried deleting and re-creating this account in Mail
>> Preferences?
>> 
>> It might be nice to know what would happen if you create a brand-new Mac
>> OS X user account, log into it, and configure Mail in that account.
>
> I haven't tried those yet; I was hoping that someone here might know a
> solution that didn't require doing that.
>
> Here's a log from another POP account,with a different ISP; the
> Authentication popup menu says "Password".
>
> INITIATING CONNECTION Jul 30 12:29:20.016 host:pop.cox.net -- port:995
> -- socket:0x0 -- thread:0x610000e67d40
>
> CONNECTED Jul 30 12:29:20.155 [kCFStreamSocketSecurityLevelTLSv1_0] --
> host:pop.cox.net -- port:995 -- socket:0x6080006a1b60 --
> thread:0x610000e67d40
>
> READ Jul 30 12:29:20.155 [kCFStreamSocketSecurityLevelTLSv1_0] --
> host:pop.cox.net -- port:995 -- socket:0x6080006a1b60 --
> thread:0x610000e67d40
> +OK fed1rmfepo101 InterMail POP3 server ready.
>
>
> WROTE Jul 30 12:29:20.158 [kCFStreamSocketSecurityLevelTLSv1_0] --
> host:pop.cox.net -- port:995 -- socket:0x6080006a1b60 --
> thread:0x610000e67d40
> CAPA
>
>
> READ Jul 30 12:29:20.179 [kCFStreamSocketSecurityLevelTLSv1_0] --
> host:pop.cox.net -- port:995 -- socket:0x6080006a1b60 --
> thread:0x610000e67d40
> +OK Capability list follows
>
> TOP
>
> USER
>
> RESP_CODES
>
> PIPELINING
>
> EXPIRE 365
>
> UIDL
>
> IMPLEMENTATION Openwave Email vM.8.01.05.15 201-2260-151-145-20131218
>
>
> READ Jul 30 12:29:20.216 [kCFStreamSocketSecurityLevelTLSv1_0] --
> host:pop.cox.net -- port:995 -- socket:0x6080006a1b60 --
> thread:0x610000e67d40
> .
>
>
> WROTE Jul 30 12:29:20.216 [kCFStreamSocketSecurityLevelTLSv1_0] --
> host:pop.cox.net -- port:995 -- socket:0x6080006a1b60 --
> thread:0x610000e67d40
> USER michelle-lists
>
>
> READ Jul 30 12:29:20.234 [kCFStreamSocketSecurityLevelTLSv1_0] --
> host:pop.cox.net -- port:995 -- socket:0x6080006a1b60 --
> thread:0x610000e67d40
> +OK please send PASS command
>
>
> WROTE Jul 30 12:29:20.235 [kCFStreamSocketSecurityLevelTLSv1_0] --
> host:pop.cox.net -- port:995 -- socket:0x6080006a1b60 --
> thread:0x610000e67d40
> PASS ***********
>
>
> READ Jul 30 12:29:20.284 [kCFStreamSocketSecurityLevelTLSv1_0] --
> host:pop.cox.net -- port:995 -- socket:0x6080006a1b60 --
> thread:0x610000e67d40
> +OK michelle-lists is welcome here

That's what I would expect to see when "Password" is chosen for
Authentication rather than "APOP". Something tells me re-creating the
account might fix your issue.

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#23784

On 2014-07-30, Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> wrote:
> I have another domain that accesses a POP3 server.  I can't receive
> mail from that account, running Yosemite; I can receive mail from that
> account on my iPad and iPhone (iOS 7.1.2).  I've checked and
> double-checked the password.
>
> It's only this one account; I can receive mail from another POP3 server
> at a different domain.
>
> Any relevant suggestions?

I take it you are using Apple's Mail client? Have you checked the
Activity and Connection Doctor windows to see what the email server
returns when you attempt to connect?

-- 
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