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  Re: Newsreaders Matti Haveri <nospam@here.invalid> - 2014-02-08 00:49 +0200
    Re: Newsreaders Tim McNamara <timmcn@bitstream.net> - 2014-02-07 18:42 -0600
      Re: Newsreaders Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-02-08 02:05 +0000
        Re: Newsreaders Tom Stiller <clusterfux.upmon@gmail.com> - 2014-02-08 02:28 +0000
          Re: Newsreaders dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2014-02-08 13:49 +1100
            Re: Newsreaders Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> - 2014-02-10 16:26 +0000
              Re: Newsreaders dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2014-02-11 06:39 +1100
          Re: Newsreaders billy@MIX.COM - 2014-02-08 04:04 +0000
            Re: Newsreaders Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-02-08 14:23 +0000
          Re: Newsreaders Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-02-08 16:26 +0000
            Re: Newsreaders Tom Stiller <clusterfux.upmon@gmail.com> - 2014-02-08 19:25 +0000
              Re: Newsreaders Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-02-08 20:59 +0000
                Re: Newsreaders Tom Stiller <clusterfux.upmon@gmail.com> - 2014-02-09 02:03 +0000
                  Re: Newsreaders Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-02-09 02:26 +0000
            Re: Newsreaders Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2014-02-09 02:05 +0100
              Re: Newsreaders Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-02-09 02:06 +0000
          Re: Newsreaders Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-02-09 02:25 +0000
            Re: Newsreaders Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-02-09 17:05 +0000
        Re: Newsreaders Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-02-08 03:34 +0000
          Re: Newsreaders Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-02-08 16:27 +0000
        Re: Newsreaders Tim McNamara <timmcn@bitstream.net> - 2014-02-08 00:24 -0600
      Re: Newsreaders me@home.spamsucks.ca (Király) - 2014-02-08 16:12 +0000
        Re: Newsreaders Tim McNamara <timmcn@bitstream.net> - 2014-02-08 15:21 -0600
          Re: Newsreaders nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-02-08 20:01 -0500
            Re: Newsreaders Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-02-08 18:09 -0700
              Re: Newsreaders Tim McNamara <timmcn@bitstream.net> - 2014-02-08 21:48 -0600
            Re: Newsreaders Tim McNamara <timmcn@bitstream.net> - 2014-02-08 20:51 -0600
            Re: Newsreaders Walter Bushell <proto@panix.com> - 2014-02-28 12:19 -0500
          Re: Newsreaders Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-02-09 01:40 +0000
            Re: Newsreaders Tim McNamara <timmcn@bitstream.net> - 2014-02-08 21:50 -0600
      Re: Newsreaders Matti Haveri <nospam@here.invalid> - 2014-02-09 19:26 +0200
        Re: Newsreaders Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-02-09 17:31 +0000
          Re: Newsreaders Matti Haveri <nospam@here.invalid> - 2014-02-11 21:35 +0200
            Re: Newsreaders Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-02-11 23:30 +0000
              Re: Newsreaders me@home.spamsucks.ca (Király) - 2014-02-12 01:06 +0000
                Re: Newsreaders Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-02-12 01:13 +0000
                Re: Newsreaders Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-02-12 17:03 -0500
                  Re: Newsreaders Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-02-12 22:25 +0000
                    Re: Newsreaders Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-02-12 17:37 -0500
                    Re: Newsreaders Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-02-13 15:10 +0000
                      Re: Newsreaders Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-02-13 15:45 +0000
                        Re: Newsreaders Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-02-13 16:58 -0500
            Re: Newsreaders Matti Haveri <nospam@here.invalid> - 2014-02-14 21:58 +0200
        Re: Newsreaders Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-02-09 23:22 +0000
          Re: Newsreaders Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-02-09 23:44 +0000
            Re: Newsreaders Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2014-02-10 02:01 +0100
          Re: Newsreaders Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2014-02-10 10:00 -0500
            Re: Newsreaders Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-02-11 13:27 +0000
              Re: Newsreaders Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2014-02-11 09:51 -0500
                Re: Newsreaders Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-02-11 18:55 +0000
                  Re: Newsreaders Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-02-11 23:28 +0000
        Re: Newsreaders Tim McNamara <timmcn@bitstream.net> - 2014-02-09 19:40 -0600
          Re: Newsreaders Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-02-10 04:34 +0000
            Re: Newsreaders Tim McNamara <timmcn@bitstream.net> - 2014-02-10 23:41 -0600
              Re: Newsreaders Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-02-11 16:23 +0000
              Re: Newsreaders Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-02-11 19:02 +0000
            Re: Newsreaders Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-02-11 13:25 +0000
    Re: Newsreaders Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-02-08 02:04 +0000
    Re: Newsreaders Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-02-08 03:33 +0000
    Re: Newsreaders RonTheGuy@null.invalid (Ron) - 2014-02-07 19:47 -0800
      Re: Newsreaders snipe@spambin.fsnet.co.uk (Sn!pe) - 2014-02-09 09:42 +0000
        Re: Newsreaders android <here@there.was> - 2014-02-09 11:02 +0100
        Re: Newsreaders android <here@there.was> - 2014-02-09 11:02 +0100
          Re: Newsreaders snipe@spambin.fsnet.co.uk (Sn!pe) - 2014-02-09 16:27 +0000
    Re: Newsreaders android <here@there.was> - 2014-02-09 09:50 +0100
      Re: Newsreaders Matti Haveri <nospam@here.invalid> - 2014-02-09 16:19 +0200
    Re: Newsreaders android <here@there.was> - 2014-02-09 09:53 +0100
      Re: Newsreaders Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2014-02-09 11:06 +0100
        Re: Newsreaders android <here@there.was> - 2014-02-09 12:18 +0100

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#21010

On 8 Feb 2014 02:05:25 GMT, Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
> On 2014-02-08, Tim McNamara <timmcn@bitstream.net> wrote:
>> On Sat, 08 Feb 2014 00:49:03 +0200, Matti Haveri 
>> <nospam@here.invalid> wrote:
>>> In article <l4jfnl$995$1@dont-email.me>,
>>>  Michelle Steiner <email@michelle@michelle.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> So what is the consensus for a newsreader to replace MTNW on 
>>>> Mavericks?
>>>
>>> MT-NewsWatcher 3.5.3.b3 via Mac OS X Server 10.6.8 via VMware Fusion 
>>> 6.0.2 via OS X 10.9.1 :-|
>>
>> Not the solution for the average user.  ;-) I have gone to using slrn 
>> with nano as an editor in Terminal.  Not as elegant as MTNW, I grant 
>> you, but it gets the job done.  Usenet has declined so much that I 
>> can't justify paying for an NNTP client.  The S/N ratio has become 
>> truly atrocious.  slrn's scoring weeds almost all of the spam out 
>> with a few elegant rules, though, so I appreciate that.
>
> Same here, but with vi, which I'm perfectly comfortable with.

I've never been able to get along with vi.  I preferred Emacs and used 
Gnus for a while, but there are enough peculiarities with that setup 
that I looked for something different.  Using scoring has been very 
helpful with spam control.

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#21018

In comp.sys.mac.apps Tim McNamara <timmcn@bitstream.net> wrote:
> Not the solution for the average user.  ;-)  I have gone to using slrn 
> with nano as an editor in Terminal.

...which is even less of a solution for the average user. But that's 
this newsgroup and usenet in general these days; not the average users.

I've been running tin with nano in Terminal in my Mac since 2003, and 
before then, by telnetting in to my university's server, which I first 
started doing as a first year undergrad in September 1993. Yes, I'm one 
of that famous cohort of people who first got online in the September 
That Never Ended and ruined usenet forever. :)

-- 
K.

Lang may your lum reek.

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#21026

On Sat, 8 Feb 2014 16:12:48 +0000 (UTC), Király <me@home.spamsucks.ca> 
wrote:
> In comp.sys.mac.apps Tim McNamara <timmcn@bitstream.net> wrote:
>> Not the solution for the average user.  ;-) I have gone to using slrn 
>> with nano as an editor in Terminal.
>
> ...which is even less of a solution for the average user. But that's 
> this newsgroup and usenet in general these days; not the average 
> users.
>
> I've been running tin with nano in Terminal in my Mac since 2003, and 
> before then, by telnetting in to my university's server, which I first 
> started doing as a first year undergrad in September 1993. Yes, I'm 
> one of that famous cohort of people who first got online in the 
> September That Never Ended and ruined usenet forever. :)

Similar history, I started using the Internet around 1993, first through 
dial up with DELPHI, IIRC.  I was using my Mac 512Ke initially with a 
14.4 modem.  

I remember buying a book for Mac users about the Internet that came with 
a disk with the necessary TCP/IP stuff that Apple didn't include at that 
time.  Aarrgghh, now I am stuggling to come up with the guy's name:  
Adam something?  He went on to have a fairly prominent web site about 
Macs but I can't remember the name.  Pesky aging brain cells.

I recall reading Ed Krol's Whole Internet book and not having a frickin' 
clue what he was on about most of the time (never having seen Unix at 
that time) and, as I recall, DELPHI did not provide a shell account.  
There were some local BBSes that could pass some things through to the 
wider Internet.  How times have changed.

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#21028

In article <slrnlfd7u1.m2s.timmcn@sugaree.local>, Tim McNamara
<timmcn@bitstream.net> wrote:

> I remember buying a book for Mac users about the Internet that came with 
> a disk with the necessary TCP/IP stuff that Apple didn't include at that 
> time.  Aarrgghh, now I am stuggling to come up with the guy's name:  
> Adam something?  He went on to have a fairly prominent web site about 
> Macs but I can't remember the name.  Pesky aging brain cells.

adam engst.

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#21030

In article <080220142001442327%nospam@nospam.invalid>, nospam
<nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:

> In article <slrnlfd7u1.m2s.timmcn@sugaree.local>, Tim McNamara
> <timmcn@bitstream.net> wrote:
> 
> > I remember buying a book for Mac users about the Internet that came with 
> > a disk with the necessary TCP/IP stuff that Apple didn't include at that 
> > time.  Aarrgghh, now I am stuggling to come up with the guy's name:  
> > Adam something?  He went on to have a fairly prominent web site about 
> > Macs but I can't remember the name.  Pesky aging brain cells.
> 
> adam engst.

And the website is http://www.tidbits.com

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#21037

On Sat, 08 Feb 2014 18:09:35 -0700, Michelle Steiner 
<michelle@michelle.org> wrote:
> In article <080220142001442327%nospam@nospam.invalid>, nospam
><nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
>
>> In article <slrnlfd7u1.m2s.timmcn@sugaree.local>, Tim McNamara
>> <timmcn@bitstream.net> wrote:
>> 
>> > I remember buying a book for Mac users about the Internet that came 
>> > with a disk with the necessary TCP/IP stuff that Apple didn't 
>> > include at that time.  Aarrgghh, now I am stuggling to come up with 
>> > the guy's name: Adam something?  He went on to have a fairly 
>> > prominent web site about Macs but I can't remember the name.  Pesky 
>> > aging brain cells.
>> 
>> adam engst.
>
> And the website is http://www.tidbits.com

Yeah, that was the other piece of the puzzle.

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#21036

On Sat, 08 Feb 2014 20:01:44 -0500, nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> 
wrote:
> In article <slrnlfd7u1.m2s.timmcn@sugaree.local>, Tim McNamara
><timmcn@bitstream.net> wrote:
>
>> I remember buying a book for Mac users about the Internet that came 
>> with a disk with the necessary TCP/IP stuff that Apple didn't include 
>> at that time.  Aarrgghh, now I am stuggling to come up with the guy's 
>> name: Adam something?  He went on to have a fairly prominent web site 
>> about Macs but I can't remember the name.  Pesky aging brain cells.
>
> adam engst.

Yeah, that was it.  Thanks!

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#21258

In article <080220142001442327%nospam@nospam.invalid>,
 nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:

> In article <slrnlfd7u1.m2s.timmcn@sugaree.local>, Tim McNamara
> <timmcn@bitstream.net> wrote:
> 
> > I remember buying a book for Mac users about the Internet that came with 
> > a disk with the necessary TCP/IP stuff that Apple didn't include at that 
> > time.  Aarrgghh, now I am stuggling to come up with the guy's name:  
> > Adam something?  He went on to have a fairly prominent web site about 
> > Macs but I can't remember the name.  Pesky aging brain cells.
> 
> adam engst.

And the book was called "Internet Starter Kit", very little doubt. The 
book is on line and the software, well only a very few people have the 
machine to run it on and if you do, it's for nostalgia. Every notice 
how in the old days nostalgia was so much better? Can't get the good 
stuff anymore.

-- 
Never attribute to stupidity that which can be explained by greed. Me.

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#21031

In message <slrnlfd7u1.m2s.timmcn@sugaree.local> 
  Tim McNamara <timmcn@bitstream.net> wrote:
> On Sat, 8 Feb 2014 16:12:48 +0000 (UTC), Király <me@home.spamsucks.ca> 
> wrote:
>> In comp.sys.mac.apps Tim McNamara <timmcn@bitstream.net> wrote:
>>> Not the solution for the average user.  ;-) I have gone to using slrn 
>>> with nano as an editor in Terminal.
>>
>> ...which is even less of a solution for the average user. But that's 
>> this newsgroup and usenet in general these days; not the average 
>> users.
>>
>> I've been running tin with nano in Terminal in my Mac since 2003, and 
>> before then, by telnetting in to my university's server, which I first 
>> started doing as a first year undergrad in September 1993. Yes, I'm 
>> one of that famous cohort of people who first got online in the 
>> September That Never Ended and ruined usenet forever. :)

> Similar history, I started using the Internet around 1993, first through 
> dial up with DELPHI, IIRC.  I was using my Mac 512Ke initially with a 
> 14.4 modem.  

> I remember buying a book for Mac users about the Internet that came with 
> a disk with the necessary TCP/IP stuff that Apple didn't include at that 
> time.  Aarrgghh, now I am stuggling to come up with the guy's name:  
> Adam something?  He went on to have a fairly prominent web site about 
> Macs but I can't remember the name.  Pesky aging brain cells.

Internet Starter Kit by Adam Engst www.TidBITS.com

-- 
A Clean House Is A Sign Of A Misspent Life

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#21038

On Sun, 9 Feb 2014 01:40:23 +0000 (UTC), Lewis 
<g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:
> In message <slrnlfd7u1.m2s.timmcn@sugaree.local> 
>   Tim McNamara <timmcn@bitstream.net> wrote:
>> On Sat, 8 Feb 2014 16:12:48 +0000 (UTC), Király 
>> <me@home.spamsucks.ca> wrote:
>>> In comp.sys.mac.apps Tim McNamara <timmcn@bitstream.net> wrote:
>>>> Not the solution for the average user.  ;-) I have gone to using 
>>>> slrn with nano as an editor in Terminal.
>>>
>>> ...which is even less of a solution for the average user. But that's 
>>> this newsgroup and usenet in general these days; not the average 
>>> users.
>>>
>>> I've been running tin with nano in Terminal in my Mac since 2003, and 
>>> before then, by telnetting in to my university's server, which I first 
>>> started doing as a first year undergrad in September 1993. Yes, I'm 
>>> one of that famous cohort of people who first got online in the 
>>> September That Never Ended and ruined usenet forever. :)
>
>> Similar history, I started using the Internet around 1993, first 
>> through dial up with DELPHI, IIRC.  I was using my Mac 512Ke 
>> initially with a 14.4 modem.
>
>> I remember buying a book for Mac users about the Internet that came 
>> with a disk with the necessary TCP/IP stuff that Apple didn't include 
>> at that time.  Aarrgghh, now I am stuggling to come up with the guy's 
>> name: Adam something?  He went on to have a fairly prominent web site 
>> about Macs but I can't remember the name.  Pesky aging brain cells.
>
> Internet Starter Kit by Adam Engst www.TidBITS.com

That's all three of the rascals I was trying to remember, right there.

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#21050

In article <slrnlfavc9.j9v.timmcn@sugaree.local>,
 Tim McNamara <timmcn@bitstream.net> wrote:

> I have gone to using slrn with nano as an editor in Terminal

Thanks for the tip about slrn. Other posts indicate I could use 
TextWrangler as its editor. 

I begun using Internet with tin in May 1993 (I still remember seeing 
comp.sys.mac.digest for real for the first time!!). So using CLI is not 
a very big deal for me.

...I have tried to install slrn but I have not yet succeeded following 
the instructions below in a (fresh install) of OS X 10.9.1.

First, there is no wget pre-installed. But using plain ftp or 
downloading via Safari worked.

But the ./configure step fails with an error. Quick Googling around 
indicated the error is caused by some missing 64-bit library or 
something like that... There was a workaround but it didn't help the OP 
or me... Just for fun I tried to compile it under 64-bit Ubuntu VM but 
it failed with the same error.

Supposedly there are precompiled binaries somewhere but I didn't find 
them.

http://slrn.sourceforge.net/download.html

- Matti

-- 
Matti Haveri <mattiDOThaveriATgmailDOTeiroskaaDOTcom> remove ei roskaa

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#21051

On 2014-02-09, Matti Haveri <nospam@here.invalid> wrote:
> In article <slrnlfavc9.j9v.timmcn@sugaree.local>,
>  Tim McNamara <timmcn@bitstream.net> wrote:
>
>> I have gone to using slrn with nano as an editor in Terminal
>
> Thanks for the tip about slrn. Other posts indicate I could use 
> TextWrangler as its editor. 
>
> I begun using Internet with tin in May 1993 (I still remember seeing 
> comp.sys.mac.digest for real for the first time!!). So using CLI is not 
> a very big deal for me.
>
> ...I have tried to install slrn but I have not yet succeeded following 
> the instructions below in a (fresh install) of OS X 10.9.1.
>
> First, there is no wget pre-installed. But using plain ftp or 
> downloading via Safari worked.
>
> But the ./configure step fails with an error. Quick Googling around 
> indicated the error is caused by some missing 64-bit library or 
> something like that... There was a workaround but it didn't help the OP 
> or me... Just for fun I tried to compile it under 64-bit Ubuntu VM but 
> it failed with the same error.
>
> Supposedly there are precompiled binaries somewhere but I didn't find 
> them.
>
> http://slrn.sourceforge.net/download.html

Did you compile and install slang first? 

Here are the steps I used in 10.9.x:

curl ftp://space.mit.edu/pub/davis/slang/v2.2/slang-2.2.4.tar.gz >
slang-2.2.4.tar.gz
tar xzf slang-2.2.4.tar.gz
cd slang-2.2.4
./configure
make
sudo make install

curl http://www.jedsoft.org/slrn/download/slrn-1.0.1.tar.gz >
slrn-1.0.1.tar.gz
tar xzf slrn-1.0.1.tar.gz
cd slrn-1.0.1
./configure
make
sudo make install

-- 
E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my ravenous SPAM filter.
I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead.

JR

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#21078

In article <blpsc9F8gpbU7@mid.individual.net>,
 Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:

> Did you compile and install slang first? 
> 
> Here are the steps I used in 10.9.x:
> 
> curl ftp://space.mit.edu/pub/davis/slang/v2.2/slang-2.2.4.tar.gz >
> slang-2.2.4.tar.gz
> tar xzf slang-2.2.4.tar.gz
> cd slang-2.2.4
> ./configure
> make
> sudo make install
> 
> curl http://www.jedsoft.org/slrn/download/slrn-1.0.1.tar.gz >
> slrn-1.0.1.tar.gz
> tar xzf slrn-1.0.1.tar.gz
> cd slrn-1.0.1
> ./configure
> make
> sudo make install

Thanks, that did the trick!

Got slrn running with my newsserver although I replied here with MT-NW 
to avoid sending garbage with the default editor...

tin and pico are more in my rusty muscle memory so I might also try them.

-- 
Matti Haveri <mattiDOThaveriATgmailDOTeiroskaaDOTcom> remove ei roskaa

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#21082

On 2014-02-11, Matti Haveri <nospam@here.invalid> wrote:
> In article <blpsc9F8gpbU7@mid.individual.net>,
>  Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
>
>> Did you compile and install slang first? 
>> 
>> Here are the steps I used in 10.9.x:
>> 
>> curl ftp://space.mit.edu/pub/davis/slang/v2.2/slang-2.2.4.tar.gz >
>> slang-2.2.4.tar.gz
>> tar xzf slang-2.2.4.tar.gz
>> cd slang-2.2.4
>> ./configure
>> make
>> sudo make install
>> 
>> curl http://www.jedsoft.org/slrn/download/slrn-1.0.1.tar.gz >
>> slrn-1.0.1.tar.gz
>> tar xzf slrn-1.0.1.tar.gz
>> cd slrn-1.0.1
>> ./configure
>> make
>> sudo make install
>
> Thanks, that did the trick!

Welcome!

> Got slrn running with my newsserver although I replied here with MT-NW 
> to avoid sending garbage with the default editor...

vim certainly isn't for everyone. The reason I use it is I am very
familiar with vi/vim already.

> tin and pico are more in my rusty muscle memory so I might also try them.

See other replies in this thread for instructions showing how to use
the TextWrangler GUI editor or other command-line clients for editing.

-- 
E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my ravenous SPAM filter.
I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead.

JR

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#21085

Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
> vim certainly isn't for everyone. The reason I use it is I am very
> familiar with vi/vim already.

I think vi is usable to people who started using computers in the 1960s.

-- 
K.

Lang may your lum reek.

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#21086

On 2014-02-12, Király <me@home.spamsucks.ca> wrote:
> Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
>> vim certainly isn't for everyone. The reason I use it is I am very
>> familiar with vi/vim already.
>
> I think vi is usable to people who started using computers in the 1960s.

Perhaps, but that's not me. I was born long after that.

-- 
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I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead.

JR

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#21092

On 2014.02.11, 20:06 , Király wrote:

> I think vi is usable to people who started using computers in the 1960s.

I used vi on an hp Unix machine in the 80's or so.  You get used to it, 
but that doesn't make it "good".


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#21093

On 2014-02-12, Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote:
> On 2014.02.11, 20:06 , Király wrote:
>
>> I think vi is usable to people who started using computers in the 1960s.
>
> I used vi on an hp Unix machine in the 80's or so.  You get used to it, 
> but that doesn't make it "good".

For me and many others, it's more about availability for me. vi/vim is
something you can almost always count on being there on just about any
*nix system. The same simply cannot be said of alternative command-line
editors. That's why learning vi/vim has huge advantages for anyone who
works on the command-line on a variety of systems.

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#21094

On 2014.02.12, 17:25 , Jolly Roger wrote:
> On 2014-02-12, Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote:
>> On 2014.02.11, 20:06 , Király wrote:
>>
>>> I think vi is usable to people who started using computers in the 1960s.
>>
>> I used vi on an hp Unix machine in the 80's or so.  You get used to it,
>> but that doesn't make it "good".
>
> For me and many others, it's more about availability for me. vi/vim is
> something you can almost always count on being there on just about any
> *nix system. The same simply cannot be said of alternative command-line
> editors. That's why learning vi/vim has huge advantages for anyone who
> works on the command-line on a variety of systems.

No denying it.  Luckily I've managed to avoid it - even when tinkering 
on the Mac... I did use it a couple years ago for some reason (fixing a 
root access issue on the prior iMac IIRC).

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   or commercial actors, prefer that we do not reduce theirs.
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#21097

In message <bm2alrF4nnhU1@mid.individual.net> 
  Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
> On 2014-02-12, Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote:
>> On 2014.02.11, 20:06 , Király wrote:
>>
>>> I think vi is usable to people who started using computers in the 1960s.
>>
>> I used vi on an hp Unix machine in the 80's or so.  You get used to it, 
>> but that doesn't make it "good".

> For me and many others, it's more about availability for me. vi/vim is
> something you can almost always count on being there on just about any
> *nix system. The same simply cannot be said of alternative command-line
> editors. That's why learning vi/vim has huge advantages for anyone who
> works on the command-line on a variety of systems.

And it's also super powerful when you need it to be.

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