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  Mavericks Server auto-connect Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-01-28 03:57 +0000
    Re: Mavericks Server auto-connect billy@MIX.COM - 2014-01-30 16:20 +0000
      Re: Mavericks Server auto-connect Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-01-30 16:37 +0000
    Re: Mavericks Server auto-connect Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2014-01-30 19:27 +0100
      Re: Mavericks Server auto-connect Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-01-31 04:23 +0000
        Re: Mavericks Server auto-connect Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2014-01-31 09:48 +0100
          Re: Mavericks Server auto-connect Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-01-31 17:26 +0000
        Re: Mavericks Server auto-connect Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-01-31 12:16 +0000
          Re: Mavericks Server auto-connect Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-01-31 17:28 +0000

#20778 — Mavericks Server auto-connect

I've got Mavericks Server running on a Mac mini that runs various
services for my network. I've got the Server application installed on
two other computers on the network: a Mac Pro, and a MacBook Pro for
remote management. 

When I launch the Server application on the MacBook Pro, it
automatically connects to the Mac mini without asking. But when I launch
it on the Mac Pro, it presents me with this screen, where I must click
"Other Mac" and then another screen where I must select the Mac mini to
connect to it, followed by a third screen to specify the administrative
user credentials (which are already filled in from the key chain). 

I'm trying to figure out why there is a difference in behavior.
Obviously, I would prefer the automatic connect behavior exhibited on
the MacBook Pro. 

The web searches I've done so far offer no help on the topic.

I've looked for a way to specify automatic connection in the Server
application, but don't see any such settings. 

As far as I can tell, there are no preference files in
~/Library/Preferences or /Library/Preferences on the MacBook Pro that
might cause this different behavior. Perhaps such defaults are stored
elsewhere.

Any ideas are welcome!

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#20819

Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> writes:

> As far as I can tell, there are no preference files in
> ~/Library/Preferences or /Library/Preferences on the MacBook Pro that
> might cause this different behavior. Perhaps such defaults are stored
> elsewhere.

I can't answer your question, but perhaps there's a clue in where the
DCHP configuration parameters live (or, lived, when I last looked) -

/S/L/SystemConfigurion/IPConfiguation.bundle/Contents/Resources/IPConfiguration.xml

This is obviously not a plist.  Heh.

> Any ideas are welcome!

Try digging around for something similar, and if you find it, please
post where it is.

Billy Y..
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#20820

On 2014-01-30, billy@MIX.COM <billy@MIX.COM> wrote:
> Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> writes:
>
>> As far as I can tell, there are no preference files in
>> ~/Library/Preferences or /Library/Preferences on the MacBook Pro that
>> might cause this different behavior. Perhaps such defaults are stored
>> elsewhere.
>
> I can't answer your question, but perhaps there's a clue in where the
> DCHP configuration parameters live (or, lived, when I last looked) -
>
> /S/L/SystemConfigurion/IPConfiguation.bundle/Contents/Resources/IPConfiguration.xml
>
> This is obviously not a plist.  Heh.

Alas, no such file in Mavericks.

>> Any ideas are welcome!
>
> Try digging around for something similar, and if you find it, please
> post where it is.

Will do. So far, I haven't found the culprit...

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#20822

Jolly Roger wrote:

> I've got Mavericks Server running on a Mac mini that runs various
> services for my network. I've got the Server application installed on
> two other computers on the network: a Mac Pro, and a MacBook Pro for
> remote management. 
>
> When I launch the Server application on the MacBook Pro, it
> automatically connects to the Mac mini without asking. But when I launch
> it on the Mac Pro, it presents me with this screen, where I must click
> "Other Mac" and then another screen where I must select the Mac mini to
> connect to it, followed by a third screen to specify the administrative
> user credentials (which are already filled in from the key chain). 

I have Mavericks Server on my mini and when I launch Server.app from a
non-admin account it always presents me with a screen with 
"This Mac - mini" and "Other Mac".  Probably because I've saved
something somewhere "This Mac - mini" is highlighted (in light grey -
clicking on it does a full highlight in blue but isn't necessary).

I then hit Continue (return will do) and throws up a dialog asking for
Administrator Name and Administrator Password, with my non-admin
username filled in.

I shift-tab back to the username field and start entering my admin
username.  As soon as I have typed the last letter of that, it autofills
the password *and* ticks "Remember this password in my keychain".

At this point both the password field and the "Remember
password" checkbox are greyed out.  It looks as though the only way to
remove this setting would be to go into Keychain maintenance.

Yes I have previously saved this password in the keychain (even though I
have doubts about the wisdom of saving an admin password in a
non-admin's keychain).

It looks to me as though the info is getting stored in the keychain, and
I do see Server entries there for 127.0.0.1 and mini.example.com

> I'm trying to figure out why there is a difference in behavior.
> Obviously, I would prefer the automatic connect behavior exhibited on
> the MacBook Pro. 
>
> The web searches I've done so far offer no help on the topic.
>
> I've looked for a way to specify automatic connection in the Server
> application, but don't see any such settings. 
>
> As far as I can tell, there are no preference files in
> ~/Library/Preferences or /Library/Preferences on the MacBook Pro that
> might cause this different behavior. Perhaps such defaults are stored
> elsewhere.
>
> Any ideas are welcome!

Look in Keychain Access?

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#20832

On 2014-01-30, Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> wrote:
> Jolly Roger wrote:
>
>> I've got Mavericks Server running on a Mac mini that runs various
>> services for my network. I've got the Server application installed on
>> two other computers on the network: a Mac Pro, and a MacBook Pro for
>> remote management. 
>>
>> When I launch the Server application on the MacBook Pro, it
>> automatically connects to the Mac mini without asking. But when I launch
>> it on the Mac Pro, it presents me with this screen, where I must click
>> "Other Mac" and then another screen where I must select the Mac mini to
>> connect to it, followed by a third screen to specify the administrative
>> user credentials (which are already filled in from the key chain). 
>
> I have Mavericks Server on my mini and when I launch Server.app from a
> non-admin account it always presents me with a screen with 
> "This Mac - mini" and "Other Mac".  Probably because I've saved
> something somewhere "This Mac - mini" is highlighted (in light grey -
> clicking on it does a full highlight in blue but isn't necessary).
>
> I then hit Continue (return will do) and throws up a dialog asking for
> Administrator Name and Administrator Password, with my non-admin
> username filled in.
>
> I shift-tab back to the username field and start entering my admin
> username.  As soon as I have typed the last letter of that, it autofills
> the password *and* ticks "Remember this password in my keychain".
>
> At this point both the password field and the "Remember
> password" checkbox are greyed out.  It looks as though the only way to
> remove this setting would be to go into Keychain maintenance.
>
> Yes I have previously saved this password in the keychain (even though I
> have doubts about the wisdom of saving an admin password in a
> non-admin's keychain).

Yeah, that's similar to the unwanted behavior I have - only for me, the
credentials are already filled in. What I want is automatic, unprompted
connection to the server.

> It looks to me as though the info is getting stored in the keychain, and
> I do see Server entries there for 127.0.0.1 and mini.example.com
>
>> I'm trying to figure out why there is a difference in behavior.
>> Obviously, I would prefer the automatic connect behavior exhibited on
>> the MacBook Pro. 
>>
>> The web searches I've done so far offer no help on the topic.
>>
>> I've looked for a way to specify automatic connection in the Server
>> application, but don't see any such settings. 
>>
>> As far as I can tell, there are no preference files in
>> ~/Library/Preferences or /Library/Preferences on the MacBook Pro that
>> might cause this different behavior. Perhaps such defaults are stored
>> elsewhere.
>>
>> Any ideas are welcome!
>
> Look in Keychain Access?

I looked at the key chain again and figure out what was going on. A
while back I changed the host name of this machine. But I still had a
key for the old name in the key chain, in addition to another for the
new name. Apparently, that was enough to cause Server to refrain from
connecting automatically.  Once I removed the key with the old name, and
relaunched Server, it automatically connected to the server without a
single intervention from me. None of the screens described above
appeared. As soon as I launched the Server application, it opened a
connection to the server, not even asking for credentials, which is what
I want. 

Thanks for giving me the curiosity to go look at the key chain again.  

: )

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#20839

Jolly Roger wrote:

> On 2014-01-30, Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> wrote:
>> Jolly Roger wrote:
>>
>>> I've got Mavericks Server running on a Mac mini that runs various
>>> services for my network. I've got the Server application installed on
>>> two other computers on the network: a Mac Pro, and a MacBook Pro for
>>> remote management. 
>>>
>>> When I launch the Server application on the MacBook Pro, it
>>> automatically connects to the Mac mini without asking. But when I launch
>>> it on the Mac Pro, it presents me with this screen, where I must click
>>> "Other Mac" and then another screen where I must select the Mac mini to
>>> connect to it, followed by a third screen to specify the administrative
>>> user credentials (which are already filled in from the key chain). 
>>
>> I have Mavericks Server on my mini and when I launch Server.app from a
>> non-admin account it always presents me with a screen with 
>> "This Mac - mini" and "Other Mac".  Probably because I've saved
>> something somewhere "This Mac - mini" is highlighted (in light grey -
>> clicking on it does a full highlight in blue but isn't necessary).
>>
>> I then hit Continue (return will do) and throws up a dialog asking for
>> Administrator Name and Administrator Password, with my non-admin
>> username filled in.
>>
>> I shift-tab back to the username field and start entering my admin
>> username.  As soon as I have typed the last letter of that, it autofills
>> the password *and* ticks "Remember this password in my keychain".
>>
>> At this point both the password field and the "Remember
>> password" checkbox are greyed out.  It looks as though the only way to
>> remove this setting would be to go into Keychain maintenance.
>>
>> Yes I have previously saved this password in the keychain (even though I
>> have doubts about the wisdom of saving an admin password in a
>> non-admin's keychain).
>
> Yeah, that's similar to the unwanted behavior I have - only for me, the
> credentials are already filled in. What I want is automatic, unprompted
> connection to the server.

That would be nice here as well, but if not too many prompts are
necessary to run it from a non-admin account then so be it.

>> It looks to me as though the info is getting stored in the keychain, and
>> I do see Server entries there for 127.0.0.1 and mini.example.com
>>
>>> I'm trying to figure out why there is a difference in behavior.
>>> Obviously, I would prefer the automatic connect behavior exhibited on
>>> the MacBook Pro. 
>>>
>>> The web searches I've done so far offer no help on the topic.
>>>
>>> I've looked for a way to specify automatic connection in the Server
>>> application, but don't see any such settings. 
>>>
>>> As far as I can tell, there are no preference files in
>>> ~/Library/Preferences or /Library/Preferences on the MacBook Pro that
>>> might cause this different behavior. Perhaps such defaults are stored
>>> elsewhere.
>>>
>>> Any ideas are welcome!
>>
>> Look in Keychain Access?
>
> I looked at the key chain again and figure out what was going on. A
> while back I changed the host name of this machine. But I still had a
> key for the old name in the key chain, in addition to another for the
> new name. Apparently, that was enough to cause Server to refrain from
> connecting automatically.  Once I removed the key with the old name, and
> relaunched Server, it automatically connected to the server without a
> single intervention from me. None of the screens described above
> appeared. As soon as I launched the Server application, it opened a
> connection to the server, not even asking for credentials, which is what
> I want. 
>
> Thanks for giving me the curiosity to go look at the key chain again.  
>
> : )

Thanks for giving me the curiosity to go digging :-)

While in Keychain Access I found a load of old stuff* so had a good
clean out.  That included some expired certificates that Server was
throwing alerts for every day - I have been hunting high and low for
those for a while.

* old stuff in Keychain included a domain I got rid of years
ago but it's a testament to Migration Assistant that this stuff survived
a migration from Tiger on an iBook to Leopard on a PowerBook to Lion
(now Mavericks) on the mini I got in 2012.

Another thing I noticed while in Keychain is that various items showed
up as having no password stored.  These are indeed items where I store
the details in 1Password.  A periodic sanity check of one against the
other might be useful in terms of keeping things tidy.

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#20850

On 2014-01-31, Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> wrote:
>
> Thanks for giving me the curiosity to go digging :-)
>
> While in Keychain Access I found a load of old stuff* so had a good
> clean out.  That included some expired certificates that Server was
> throwing alerts for every day - I have been hunting high and low for
> those for a while.

I was getting those alerts a while ago as well. Deleting them from key
chain fixed that.

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#20845

In message <bl0mp7Ftsr8U1@mid.individual.net> 
  Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
> On 2014-01-30, Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> wrote:
>> Jolly Roger wrote:
>>
>>> I've got Mavericks Server running on a Mac mini that runs various
>>> services for my network. I've got the Server application installed on
>>> two other computers on the network: a Mac Pro, and a MacBook Pro for
>>> remote management. 
>>>
>>> When I launch the Server application on the MacBook Pro, it
>>> automatically connects to the Mac mini without asking. But when I launch
>>> it on the Mac Pro, it presents me with this screen, where I must click
>>> "Other Mac" and then another screen where I must select the Mac mini to
>>> connect to it, followed by a third screen to specify the administrative
>>> user credentials (which are already filled in from the key chain). 
>>
>> I have Mavericks Server on my mini and when I launch Server.app from a
>> non-admin account it always presents me with a screen with 
>> "This Mac - mini" and "Other Mac".  Probably because I've saved
>> something somewhere "This Mac - mini" is highlighted (in light grey -
>> clicking on it does a full highlight in blue but isn't necessary).
>>
>> I then hit Continue (return will do) and throws up a dialog asking for
>> Administrator Name and Administrator Password, with my non-admin
>> username filled in.
>>
>> I shift-tab back to the username field and start entering my admin
>> username.  As soon as I have typed the last letter of that, it autofills
>> the password *and* ticks "Remember this password in my keychain".
>>
>> At this point both the password field and the "Remember
>> password" checkbox are greyed out.  It looks as though the only way to
>> remove this setting would be to go into Keychain maintenance.
>>
>> Yes I have previously saved this password in the keychain (even though I
>> have doubts about the wisdom of saving an admin password in a
>> non-admin's keychain).

> Yeah, that's similar to the unwanted behavior I have - only for me, the
> credentials are already filled in. What I want is automatic, unprompted
> connection to the server.

>> It looks to me as though the info is getting stored in the keychain, and
>> I do see Server entries there for 127.0.0.1 and mini.example.com
>>
>>> I'm trying to figure out why there is a difference in behavior.
>>> Obviously, I would prefer the automatic connect behavior exhibited on
>>> the MacBook Pro. 
>>>
>>> The web searches I've done so far offer no help on the topic.
>>>
>>> I've looked for a way to specify automatic connection in the Server
>>> application, but don't see any such settings. 
>>>
>>> As far as I can tell, there are no preference files in
>>> ~/Library/Preferences or /Library/Preferences on the MacBook Pro that
>>> might cause this different behavior. Perhaps such defaults are stored
>>> elsewhere.
>>>
>>> Any ideas are welcome!
>>
>> Look in Keychain Access?

> I looked at the key chain again and figure out what was going on. A
> while back I changed the host name of this machine. But I still had a
> key for the old name in the key chain, in addition to another for the
> new name. Apparently, that was enough to cause Server to refrain from
> connecting automatically.

That makes sense, actually. the same thing happens with the Finder
"Connect to Server" command. If you have ONE set of credentials, it just
connects and doesn't prompt for the user name and password, if you have
more than one set, it *always* asks and will not fill in the password,
regardless of the "remember password" setting.

It's annoying, but at least it's consistent.

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#20851

On 2014-01-31, Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:
> In message <bl0mp7Ftsr8U1@mid.individual.net> 
>   Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
>>
>> I looked at the key chain again and figure out what was going on. A
>> while back I changed the host name of this machine. But I still had a
>> key for the old name in the key chain, in addition to another for the
>> new name. Apparently, that was enough to cause Server to refrain from
>> connecting automatically.
>
> That makes sense, actually. the same thing happens with the Finder
> "Connect to Server" command. If you have ONE set of credentials, it just
> connects and doesn't prompt for the user name and password, if you have
> more than one set, it *always* asks and will not fill in the password,
> regardless of the "remember password" setting.
>
> It's annoying, but at least it's consistent.

Yep! Though I think it might be nice to give an indication of *why* it's
happening.

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