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  How do I get the google window back in Safari? David Downing <david.h.downing@gmail.com> - 2014-01-17 08:50 -0800
    Re: How do I get the google window back in Safari? Ted Lee <tmplee@gmail.com> - 2014-01-17 11:06 -0600
      Re: How do I get the google window back in Safari? isw <isw@witzend.com> - 2014-01-17 09:53 -0800
        Re: How do I get the google window back in Safari? Michael Vilain <vilain@NOspamcop.net> - 2014-01-17 10:15 -0800
          Re: How do I get the google window back in Safari? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-01-17 14:30 -0500
            Re: How do I get the google window back in Safari? Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> - 2014-01-17 16:28 -0500
      Re: How do I get the google window back in Safari? nicknaym@_remove_this_gmail.com.invalid (Nick Naym) - 2014-01-17 18:44 -0500
      Re: How do I get the google window back in Safari? Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> - 2014-01-18 15:39 +0000
        Re: How do I get the google window back in Safari? Joe Wolf Dee <joedid@email.com> - 2014-01-18 10:58 -0500
          Re: How do I get the google window back in Safari? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-01-18 11:21 -0500
        Re: How do I get the google window back in Safari? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-01-19 01:36 +0000
          Re: How do I get the google window back in Safari? Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> - 2014-01-19 02:56 +0000
            Re: How do I get the google window back in Safari? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-01-19 04:17 +0000
              Re: How do I get the google window back in Safari? Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-01-19 09:01 +0000
                Re: How do I get the google window back in Safari? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-01-19 18:48 +0000
                  Re: How do I get the google window back in Safari? Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-01-19 21:20 +0000
              Re: How do I get the google window back in Safari? Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> - 2014-01-19 14:14 -0500
                Re: How do I get the google window back in Safari? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-01-19 15:47 -0500
              Re: How do I get the google window back in Safari? Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> - 2014-01-19 22:32 +0000
                Re: How do I get the google window back in Safari? Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> - 2014-01-20 02:22 -0500
                  Re: How do I get the google window back in Safari? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-01-20 04:00 -0500
                    Re: How do I get the google window back in Safari? Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> - 2014-01-20 15:27 +0000
                      Re: How do I get the google window back in Safari? Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2014-01-20 15:42 +0000
                        Re: How do I get the google window back in Safari? erilar <drache@chibardun.net.invalid> - 2014-01-20 15:50 -0600
                      Re: How do I get the google window back in Safari? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-01-20 10:45 -0500
                      Re: How do I get the google window back in Safari? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-01-20 18:29 +0000
                        Re: How do I get the google window back in Safari? Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> - 2014-01-20 13:59 -0500
                          Re: How do I get the google window back in Safari? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-01-20 19:40 +0000
                        Re: How do I get the google window back in Safari? Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2014-01-20 19:09 +0000
                          Re: How do I get the google window back in Safari? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-01-20 19:40 +0000
                            Re: How do I get the google window back in Safari? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-01-20 14:58 -0500
                              Re: How do I get the google window back in Safari? Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> - 2014-01-20 15:53 -0500
                                Re: How do I get the google window back in Safari? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-01-20 16:28 -0500
                                Re: How do I get the google window back in Safari? Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2014-01-20 23:13 +0000
                                Re: How do I get the google window back in Safari? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-01-21 01:53 +0000
                          Re: How do I get the google window back in Safari? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-01-20 14:58 -0500
                          Re: How do I get the google window back in Safari? Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-01-22 08:30 +0000
                            Re: How do I get the google window back in Safari? Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2014-01-22 10:50 +0000
                              Re: How do I get the google window back in Safari? Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> - 2014-01-22 10:23 -0500
                                Re: How do I get the google window back in Safari? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-01-22 16:19 +0000
                            Re: How do I get the google window back in Safari? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-01-22 16:18 +0000
                              Re: How do I get the google window back in Safari? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-01-22 16:21 +0000
                                Re: How do I get the google window back in Safari? Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2014-01-22 16:39 +0000
                                  Re: How do I get the google window back in Safari? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-01-22 16:47 +0000
                                    Re: How do I get the google window back in Safari? Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2014-01-22 17:06 +0000
                              Re: How do I get the google window back in Safari? Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-01-22 16:56 -0700
                                Re: How do I get the google window back in Safari? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-01-23 00:12 +0000
                        Re: How do I get the google window back in Safari? "D.F. Manno" <dfmanno@mail.com> - 2014-01-20 16:11 -0500
                          Re: How do I get the google window back in Safari? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-01-20 16:28 -0500
                            Re: How do I get the google window back in Safari? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-01-21 01:52 +0000
                              Re: How do I get the google window back in Safari? Kevin McMurtrie <mcmurtrie@pixelmemory.us> - 2014-01-20 18:05 -0800
                                Re: How do I get the google window back in Safari? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-01-21 02:20 +0000
                                  Re: How do I get the google window back in Safari? Kevin McMurtrie <mcmurtrie@pixelmemory.us> - 2014-01-20 22:49 -0800
                                    Re: How do I get the google window back in Safari? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-01-21 14:00 +0000
                                Re: How do I get the google window back in Safari? Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-01-22 08:45 +0000
                                Re: How do I get the google window back in Safari? billy@MIX.COM - 2014-01-24 18:31 +0000
                              Re: How do I get the google window back in Safari? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-01-20 21:37 -0500
                                Re: How do I get the google window back in Safari? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-01-21 02:52 +0000
                                  Re: How do I get the google window back in Safari? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-01-21 04:46 -0500
                                    Re: How do I get the google window back in Safari? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-01-21 14:21 +0000
                          Re: How do I get the google window back in Safari? erilar <drache@chibardun.net.invalid> - 2014-01-20 15:47 -0600
                          Re: How do I get the google window back in Safari? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-01-21 01:46 +0000
                            Re: How do I get the google window back in Safari? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-01-20 21:37 -0500
                              Re: How do I get the google window back in Safari? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-01-21 02:41 +0000
                                Re: How do I get the google window back in Safari? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-01-20 21:43 -0500
                                  Re: How do I get the google window back in Safari? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-01-21 02:55 +0000
                                  Re: How do I get the google window back in Safari? Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> - 2014-01-21 10:39 -0500
                            Re: How do I get the google window back in Safari? "D.F. Manno" <dfmanno@mail.com> - 2014-01-21 22:07 -0500
                          Re: How do I get the google window back in Safari? Jim Jaeger <jimjaeger@example.com> - 2014-01-20 22:28 -0800
                          Re: How do I get the google window back in Safari? Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-01-22 08:41 +0000
                      Re: How do I get the google window back in Safari? dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2014-01-21 12:20 +1300
                    Re: How do I get the google window back in Safari? isw <isw@witzend.com> - 2014-01-20 10:15 -0800
                    Re: How do I get the google window back in Safari? billy@MIX.COM - 2014-01-24 17:41 +0000
                      Re: How do I get the google window back in Safari? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-01-25 19:49 -0500

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#20625

On 2014-01-22, Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:
> In message <200120141909480977%timstreater@greenbee.net> 
>   Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> wrote:
>> In article <bk588gF4k42U1@mid.individual.net>, Jolly Roger
>> <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
>
>>> I have yet to encounter a situation where the combined search/location
>>> field has caused me one bit of trouble.
>
>> Sometimes I type a url as in www.example.com in and it treats that as a
>> google search request and gives me a results page for www.example.com.
>> There's usually a link to www.example.com near the top but this
>> behaviour is certainly a backwards step.
>
> Nothing even remotely like that has ever happened to me. Not in Safari,
> not in Firefox, not in Chrome, not even in Internet Explorer.

We've already established that it happens whenever the site in question
is not in your browsing history. Try it with a web site you have never
visited and you'll see this behavior in the latest version of Safari.

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#20627

On 2014-01-22, Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
> On 2014-01-22, Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:
>> In message <200120141909480977%timstreater@greenbee.net> 
>>   Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> wrote:
>>> In article <bk588gF4k42U1@mid.individual.net>, Jolly Roger
>>> <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
>>
>>>> I have yet to encounter a situation where the combined search/location
>>>> field has caused me one bit of trouble.
>>
>>> Sometimes I type a url as in www.example.com in and it treats that as a
>>> google search request and gives me a results page for www.example.com.
>>> There's usually a link to www.example.com near the top but this
>>> behaviour is certainly a backwards step.
>>
>> Nothing even remotely like that has ever happened to me. Not in Safari,
>> not in Firefox, not in Chrome, not even in Internet Explorer.
>
> We've already established that it happens whenever the site in question
> is not in your browsing history. Try it with a web site you have never
> visited and you'll see this behavior in the latest version of Safari.

Oops. I missed that you said you entered the *full*, *valid* domain name
and still got a Google search. I've never seen that behavior myself.

-- 
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#20630

In article <bka9g5F6jn8U3@mid.individual.net>, Jolly Roger
<jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:

> On 2014-01-22, Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
> > On 2014-01-22, Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:
> >> In message <200120141909480977%timstreater@greenbee.net> 
> >>   Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> wrote:
> >>> In article <bk588gF4k42U1@mid.individual.net>, Jolly Roger
> >>> <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>>> I have yet to encounter a situation where the combined search/location
> >>>> field has caused me one bit of trouble.
> >>
> >>> Sometimes I type a url as in www.example.com in and it treats that as a
> >>> google search request and gives me a results page for www.example.com.
> >>> There's usually a link to www.example.com near the top but this
> >>> behaviour is certainly a backwards step.
> >>
> >> Nothing even remotely like that has ever happened to me. Not in Safari,
> >> not in Firefox, not in Chrome, not even in Internet Explorer.
> >
> > We've already established that it happens whenever the site in question
> > is not in your browsing history. Try it with a web site you have never
> > visited and you'll see this behavior in the latest version of Safari.
> 
> Oops. I missed that you said you entered the *full*, *valid* domain name
> and still got a Google search. I've never seen that behavior myself.

I was running beta versions of Safari for a bit. It's not excluded that
one of these was buggy WRT the issue at hand.

-- 
Tim

"That excessive bail ought not to be required, nor excessive fines imposed,
nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted"  --  Bill of Rights 1689

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#20631

On 2014-01-22, Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> wrote:
> In article <bka9g5F6jn8U3@mid.individual.net>, Jolly Roger
><jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
>
>> On 2014-01-22, Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
>> > On 2014-01-22, Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:
>> >> In message <200120141909480977%timstreater@greenbee.net> 
>> >>   Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> wrote:
>> >>> In article <bk588gF4k42U1@mid.individual.net>, Jolly Roger
>> >>> <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>>> I have yet to encounter a situation where the combined search/location
>> >>>> field has caused me one bit of trouble.
>> >>
>> >>> Sometimes I type a url as in www.example.com in and it treats that as a
>> >>> google search request and gives me a results page for www.example.com.
>> >>> There's usually a link to www.example.com near the top but this
>> >>> behaviour is certainly a backwards step.
>> >>
>> >> Nothing even remotely like that has ever happened to me. Not in Safari,
>> >> not in Firefox, not in Chrome, not even in Internet Explorer.
>> >
>> > We've already established that it happens whenever the site in question
>> > is not in your browsing history. Try it with a web site you have never
>> > visited and you'll see this behavior in the latest version of Safari.
>> 
>> Oops. I missed that you said you entered the *full*, *valid* domain name
>> and still got a Google search. I've never seen that behavior myself.
>
> I was running beta versions of Safari for a bit. It's not excluded that
> one of these was buggy WRT the issue at hand.

Maybe. Curious software developer that I am, I'd certainly love to see
the behavior you describe. So if you figure out how to reproduce it,
please do share!

-- 
E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my ravenous SPAM filter.
I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead.

JR

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#20632

In article <bkab1gF6jn8U9@mid.individual.net>, Jolly Roger
<jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:

> On 2014-01-22, Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> wrote:
> > In article <bka9g5F6jn8U3@mid.individual.net>, Jolly Roger
> ><jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
> >
> >> On 2014-01-22, Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
> >> > On 2014-01-22, Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:
> >> >> In message <200120141909480977%timstreater@greenbee.net> 
> >> >>   Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> wrote:
> >> >>> In article <bk588gF4k42U1@mid.individual.net>, Jolly Roger
> >> >>> <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >>>> I have yet to encounter a situation where the combined search/location
> >> >>>> field has caused me one bit of trouble.
> >> >>
> >> >>> Sometimes I type a url as in www.example.com in and it treats that as a
> >> >>> google search request and gives me a results page for www.example.com.
> >> >>> There's usually a link to www.example.com near the top but this
> >> >>> behaviour is certainly a backwards step.
> >> >>
> >> >> Nothing even remotely like that has ever happened to me. Not in Safari,
> >> >> not in Firefox, not in Chrome, not even in Internet Explorer.
> >> >
> >> > We've already established that it happens whenever the site in question
> >> > is not in your browsing history. Try it with a web site you have never
> >> > visited and you'll see this behavior in the latest version of Safari.
> >> 
> >> Oops. I missed that you said you entered the *full*, *valid* domain name
> >> and still got a Google search. I've never seen that behavior myself.
> >
> > I was running beta versions of Safari for a bit. It's not excluded that
> > one of these was buggy WRT the issue at hand.
> 
> Maybe. Curious software developer that I am, I'd certainly love to see
> the behavior you describe. So if you figure out how to reproduce it,
> please do share!

You'll see it here first. Thass a promise.

-- 
Tim

"That excessive bail ought not to be required, nor excessive fines imposed,
nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted"  --  Bill of Rights 1689

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#20646

In article <bka99nF6jn8U1@mid.individual.net>, Jolly Roger
<jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:

> >> Sometimes I type a url as in www.example.com in and it treats that as a
> >> google search request and gives me a results page for www.example.com.
> >> There's usually a link to www.example.com near the top but this
> >> behaviour is certainly a backwards step.
> >
> > Nothing even remotely like that has ever happened to me. Not in Safari,
> > not in Firefox, not in Chrome, not even in Internet Explorer.
> 
> We've already established that it happens whenever the site in question
> is not in your browsing history. Try it with a web site you have never
> visited and you'll see this behavior in the latest version of Safari.

I tried it just a moment ago, with candelabra.com (which I had never
browed before) and it did not give me a google search result; it took
me to that web site.

I tried it with a number of other web sites, and got the same results.

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#20647

On 2014-01-22, Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> wrote:
> In article <bka99nF6jn8U1@mid.individual.net>, Jolly Roger
><jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
>
>> >> Sometimes I type a url as in www.example.com in and it treats that
>> >> as a google search request and gives me a results page for
>> >> www.example.com.  There's usually a link to www.example.com near
>> >> the top but this behaviour is certainly a backwards step.
>> >
>> > Nothing even remotely like that has ever happened to me. Not in
>> > Safari, not in Firefox, not in Chrome, not even in Internet
>> > Explorer.
>> 
>> We've already established that it happens whenever the site in
>> question is not in your browsing history. Try it with a web site you
>> have never visited and you'll see this behavior in the latest version
>> of Safari.
>
> I tried it just a moment ago, with candelabra.com (which I had never
> browed before) and it did not give me a google search result; it took
> me to that web site.
>
> I tried it with a number of other web sites, and got the same results.

Yeah. I misread. I thought he was saying he typed an incomplete domain
name, like "candelabra" (without the ".com"). My bad.

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I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead.

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#20564

In article <bk588gF4k42U1@mid.individual.net>,
 Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:

> I have yet to encounter a situation where the combined search/location
> field has caused me one bit of trouble.

A question: I've gotten used to skipping the "www" and "com" when 
entering a Web address. Just typing "ebay" and hitting return takes me 
to their Web site.

With a combined search/location box, what happens when I just type in 
"ebay" and hit return? Do I get to <http://www.ebay.com> or do I get the 
Google search results page for eBay?

And if I want, how do I get the opposite result?

-- 
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GOP delenda est!

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#20566

In article <dfmanno-8AE4F6.16112120012014@news.albasani.net>, D.F.
Manno <dfmanno@mail.com> wrote:

> A question: I've gotten used to skipping the "www" and "com" when 
> entering a Web address. Just typing "ebay" and hitting return takes me 
> to their Web site.

many people have gotten used to that because it's how browsers have
worked for a couple of decades. now it wont do that. 

> With a combined search/location box, what happens when I just type in 
> "ebay" and hit return? Do I get to <http://www.ebay.com> or do I get the 
> Google search results page for eBay?

you get google search results for 'ebay', with the first hit usually
(but not always) www.ebay.com.

> And if I want, how do I get the opposite result?

you append .com to whatever you type to get the url. safari will do it
with a trailing slash, and if it's in your history, it might
autocomplete it.

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#20576

On 2014-01-20, nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
> In article <dfmanno-8AE4F6.16112120012014@news.albasani.net>, D.F.
> Manno <dfmanno@mail.com> wrote:
>
>> A question: I've gotten used to skipping the "www" and "com" when 
>> entering a Web address. Just typing "ebay" and hitting return takes me 
>> to their Web site.
>
> many people have gotten used to that because it's how browsers have
> worked for a couple of decades. now it wont do that. 

Wrong. Typing "ebay" and pressing Return will take you directly to the
site. I just did it several times and took a screen shot of it in
another post in this very thread.

(Since this is mr.know-it-all, never-can-admit-he's-wrong, nospam, you
can expect him to argue this until the bitter end as if he's right. But
anyone with a Mac running Mavericks with the latest version of Safari
can see for themselves that he's in fact just plain wrong.)

-- 
E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my ravenous SPAM filter.
I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead.

JR

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#20578

In article <bk626cF9nesU2@mid.individual.net>,
 Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:

> On 2014-01-20, nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
> > In article <dfmanno-8AE4F6.16112120012014@news.albasani.net>, D.F.
> > Manno <dfmanno@mail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> A question: I've gotten used to skipping the "www" and "com" when 
> >> entering a Web address. Just typing "ebay" and hitting return takes me 
> >> to their Web site.
> >
> > many people have gotten used to that because it's how browsers have
> > worked for a couple of decades. now it wont do that. 
> 
> Wrong. Typing "ebay" and pressing Return will take you directly to the
> site. I just did it several times and took a screen shot of it in
> another post in this very thread.
> 
> (Since this is mr.know-it-all, never-can-admit-he's-wrong, nospam, you
> can expect him to argue this until the bitter end as if he's right. But
> anyone with a Mac running Mavericks with the latest version of Safari
> can see for themselves that he's in fact just plain wrong.)

Ah, arguing trolls who know how the world works because they saw it 
happen on their computer.

If you type in "ebay" into Safari, it will attempt to autocomplete from 
history.  If that fails, it will ask Google.  If Google has a high 
confidence or paid match, it converts the URL to a full path and loads 
it.  If Google doesn't have that kind of a match, it shows search 
results.

This is one of my least favorite security holes.  Entering

host.domain.tld/path/path/

into Safari sends the path to Google.  It's an unacceptable information 
leak because it may reveal information about private corporate networks.  
It's also a pain in the ass because I don't want search results.

Now to make it really stupid, Safari hides the protocol so you can't 
visibly see if it's a full URL or a search term for Google.  You have to 
wait for the pop-up menu to appear and manually select "Go to...".

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#20579

On 2014-01-21, Kevin McMurtrie <mcmurtrie@pixelmemory.us> wrote:
> In article <bk626cF9nesU2@mid.individual.net>,
>  Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
>
>> On 2014-01-20, nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
>> > In article <dfmanno-8AE4F6.16112120012014@news.albasani.net>, D.F.
>> > Manno <dfmanno@mail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >> A question: I've gotten used to skipping the "www" and "com" when 
>> >> entering a Web address. Just typing "ebay" and hitting return takes me 
>> >> to their Web site.
>> >
>> > many people have gotten used to that because it's how browsers have
>> > worked for a couple of decades. now it wont do that. 
>> 
>> Wrong. Typing "ebay" and pressing Return will take you directly to the
>> site. I just did it several times and took a screen shot of it in
>> another post in this very thread.
>> 
>> (Since this is mr.know-it-all, never-can-admit-he's-wrong, nospam, you
>> can expect him to argue this until the bitter end as if he's right. But
>> anyone with a Mac running Mavericks with the latest version of Safari
>> can see for themselves that he's in fact just plain wrong.)
>
> Ah, arguing trolls who know how the world works because they saw it 
> happen on their computer.
>
> If you type in "ebay" into Safari, it will attempt to autocomplete from 
> history.  If that fails, it will ask Google.  If Google has a high 
> confidence or paid match, it converts the URL to a full path and loads 
> it.  If Google doesn't have that kind of a match, it shows search 
> results.

You just said what I just outlined in my other reply, only in different
words. You have a very strange definition of trolling.

> This is one of my least favorite security holes.  Entering
>
> host.domain.tld/path/path/
>
> into Safari sends the path to Google.  It's an unacceptable information 
> leak because it may reveal information about private corporate networks.  
> It's also a pain in the ass because I don't want search results.

Then maybe you should go into Safari Preferences > Privacy and uncheck
the "Prevent search engine from providing suggestions" box sometime
rather than bitching about something you control. 

Some people just love to bitch about bullshit. The rest of us just get
shit done and get on with our lives.

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#20587

In article <bk63saF9nesU5@mid.individual.net>,
 Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:

> On 2014-01-21, Kevin McMurtrie <mcmurtrie@pixelmemory.us> wrote:
> > In article <bk626cF9nesU2@mid.individual.net>,
> >  Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
> >
> >> On 2014-01-20, nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
> >> > In article <dfmanno-8AE4F6.16112120012014@news.albasani.net>, D.F.
> >> > Manno <dfmanno@mail.com> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> A question: I've gotten used to skipping the "www" and "com" when 
> >> >> entering a Web address. Just typing "ebay" and hitting return takes me 
> >> >> to their Web site.
> >> >
> >> > many people have gotten used to that because it's how browsers have
> >> > worked for a couple of decades. now it wont do that. 
> >> 
> >> Wrong. Typing "ebay" and pressing Return will take you directly to the
> >> site. I just did it several times and took a screen shot of it in
> >> another post in this very thread.
> >> 
> >> (Since this is mr.know-it-all, never-can-admit-he's-wrong, nospam, you
> >> can expect him to argue this until the bitter end as if he's right. But
> >> anyone with a Mac running Mavericks with the latest version of Safari
> >> can see for themselves that he's in fact just plain wrong.)
> >
> > Ah, arguing trolls who know how the world works because they saw it 
> > happen on their computer.
> >
> > If you type in "ebay" into Safari, it will attempt to autocomplete from 
> > history.  If that fails, it will ask Google.  If Google has a high 
> > confidence or paid match, it converts the URL to a full path and loads 
> > it.  If Google doesn't have that kind of a match, it shows search 
> > results.
> 
> You just said what I just outlined in my other reply, only in different
> words. You have a very strange definition of trolling.
> 
> > This is one of my least favorite security holes.  Entering
> >
> > host.domain.tld/path/path/
> >
> > into Safari sends the path to Google.  It's an unacceptable information 
> > leak because it may reveal information about private corporate networks.  
> > It's also a pain in the ass because I don't want search results.
> 
> Then maybe you should go into Safari Preferences > Privacy and uncheck
> the "Prevent search engine from providing suggestions" box sometime
> rather than bitching about something you control. 
> 
> Some people just love to bitch about bullshit. The rest of us just get
> shit done and get on with our lives.

I'm sure you don't get any shit done.  You haven't even gotten around to 
trying your incorrect recommendations.

"Prevent search engine from providing suggestions" prevents realtime 
auto-complete as you type.  It still contacts Google when you hit 
"Enter" unless you type in a complete URL, with the protocol prefix, or 
have a history match.

I've had enough fun poking the trolls.  See you in a few days.

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#20591

On 2014-01-21, Kevin McMurtrie <mcmurtrie@pixelmemory.us> wrote:
> In article <bk63saF9nesU5@mid.individual.net>,
>  Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
>
>> On 2014-01-21, Kevin McMurtrie <mcmurtrie@pixelmemory.us> wrote:
>> > In article <bk626cF9nesU2@mid.individual.net>,
>> >  Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >> On 2014-01-20, nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
>> >> > In article <dfmanno-8AE4F6.16112120012014@news.albasani.net>, D.F.
>> >> > Manno <dfmanno@mail.com> wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >> A question: I've gotten used to skipping the "www" and "com" when 
>> >> >> entering a Web address. Just typing "ebay" and hitting return takes me 
>> >> >> to their Web site.
>> >> >
>> >> > many people have gotten used to that because it's how browsers have
>> >> > worked for a couple of decades. now it wont do that. 
>> >> 
>> >> Wrong. Typing "ebay" and pressing Return will take you directly to the
>> >> site. I just did it several times and took a screen shot of it in
>> >> another post in this very thread.
>> >> 
>> >> (Since this is mr.know-it-all, never-can-admit-he's-wrong, nospam, you
>> >> can expect him to argue this until the bitter end as if he's right. But
>> >> anyone with a Mac running Mavericks with the latest version of Safari
>> >> can see for themselves that he's in fact just plain wrong.)
>> >
>> > Ah, arguing trolls who know how the world works because they saw it 
>> > happen on their computer.
>> >
>> > If you type in "ebay" into Safari, it will attempt to autocomplete from 
>> > history.  If that fails, it will ask Google.  If Google has a high 
>> > confidence or paid match, it converts the URL to a full path and loads 
>> > it.  If Google doesn't have that kind of a match, it shows search 
>> > results.
>> 
>> You just said what I just outlined in my other reply, only in different
>> words. You have a very strange definition of trolling.
>> 
>> > This is one of my least favorite security holes.  Entering
>> >
>> > host.domain.tld/path/path/
>> >
>> > into Safari sends the path to Google.  It's an unacceptable information 
>> > leak because it may reveal information about private corporate networks.  
>> > It's also a pain in the ass because I don't want search results.
>> 
>> Then maybe you should go into Safari Preferences > Privacy and uncheck
>> the "Prevent search engine from providing suggestions" box sometime
>> rather than bitching about something you control. 
>> 
>> Some people just love to bitch about bullshit. The rest of us just get
>> shit done and get on with our lives.
>
> I'm sure you don't get any shit done.

Yeah, you'd surely know, too - what with you actually knowing me
personally and all. You're a bright one!  : )

> You haven't even gotten around to trying your incorrect recommendations.
>
> "Prevent search engine from providing suggestions" prevents realtime 
> auto-complete as you type.  It still contacts Google when you hit 
> "Enter" unless you type in a complete URL, with the protocol prefix, or 
> have a history match.

So it's a partial solution. Oh, the HORROR! How dare I? Crucify me on a
cross for my sin of not presenting you with the ultimate solution! Yet,
something tells me that surely someone as brilliantly witty as yourself
realizes there are other solutions available, no? Or does it take a
"troll" such as myself to show you the way? Fine, have it your way.
Here's just one:

<http://safariextendr.com/extension/anysearch>

I'll leave it to your awesome mental capabilities to find others that
may be more suitable for your type of high-efficiency, no-nonsense
compute style (ha!)...

> I've had enough fun poking the trolls.  See you in a few days.

I doubt that you've had enough of your "fun", but I'm ever-hopeful.
Let's see!  : )
 
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#20615

In message <mcmurtrie-577E94.18055720012014@c-61-68-245-199.per.connect.net.au> 
  Kevin McMurtrie <mcmurtrie@pixelmemory.us> wrote:
> Entering

> host.domain.tld/path/path/

> into Safari sends the path to Google.

That is not true.

-- 
'Listen,' said Rincewind. 'It's all over, do you see? You can't put the
spells back in the book, you can't unsay what's been said, you can't-'
'You can try!' --The Light Fantastic

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#20669

Kevin McMurtrie <mcmurtrie@pixelmemory.us> writes:

> If you type in "ebay" into Safari, it will attempt to autocomplete from 
> history.  If that fails, it will ask Google.  If Google has a high 
> confidence or paid match, it converts the URL to a full path and loads 
> it.  If Google doesn't have that kind of a match, it shows search 
> results.
> 
> This is one of my least favorite security holes.  Entering
> 
> host.domain.tld/path/path/
> 
> into Safari sends the path to Google.  It's an unacceptable information 
> leak because it may reveal information about private corporate networks.  
> It's also a pain in the ass because I don't want search results.

You can rest assured google's bots will start whacking away on said
"leaked" path(s), too.

> Now to make it really stupid, Safari hides the protocol so you can't 
> visibly see if it's a full URL or a search term for Google.  You have to 
> wait for the pop-up menu to appear and manually select "Go to...".

Yep.

Billy Y..
-- 
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#20581

In article <bk626cF9nesU2@mid.individual.net>, Jolly Roger
<jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:

> >> A question: I've gotten used to skipping the "www" and "com" when 
> >> entering a Web address. Just typing "ebay" and hitting return takes me 
> >> to their Web site.
> >
> > many people have gotten used to that because it's how browsers have
> > worked for a couple of decades. now it wont do that. 
> 
> Wrong. Typing "ebay" and pressing Return will take you directly to the
> site. I just did it several times and took a screen shot of it in
> another post in this very thread.

it's not wrong at all. you haven't been paying any attention, so here
it is again:

it only does that *if* you have been to the site in question, something
which i already mentioned more than once, including in what you snipped
from the very post to which you are responding and in my first post to
this thread, over 3 days ago. that's very disingenuous, not that i'm
the least bit surprised.

if it's not in the history, you have to either add the .com yourself or
remember to add a trailing slash which is non-intuitive. who would
think that ebay/ would convert to www.ebay.com? that's a trick you
would have had to have read somewhere to know. bad design. 

> (Since this is mr.know-it-all, never-can-admit-he's-wrong, nospam, you
> can expect him to argue this until the bitter end as if he's right. But
> anyone with a Mac running Mavericks with the latest version of Safari
> can see for themselves that he's in fact just plain wrong.)

actually, they can see that it works exactly as i described on several
occasions and that i am not wrong at all. 

they will also see that you are once again talking out your ass and
dropping to your usual puerile insults, as you have here.

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#20584

On 2014-01-21, nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
> In article <bk626cF9nesU2@mid.individual.net>, Jolly Roger
><jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
>
>> >> A question: I've gotten used to skipping the "www" and "com" when 
>> >> entering a Web address. Just typing "ebay" and hitting return takes me 
>> >> to their Web site.
>> >
>> > many people have gotten used to that because it's how browsers have
>> > worked for a couple of decades. now it wont do that. 
>> 
>> Wrong. Typing "ebay" and pressing Return will take you directly to the
>> site. I just did it several times and took a screen shot of it in
>> another post in this very thread.
>
> it's not wrong at all.

It's most certainly wrong when you've already visited the site in
question, which is the majority of the time. The ONLY time it's right is
when you have never, ever visited th site in question. Once you've
visited it, it works the way I describe.

> you haven't been paying any attention, so here it is again:
>
> it only does that *if* you have been to the site in question,
> something which i already mentioned more than once, including in what
> you snipped from the very post to which you are responding and in my
> first post to this thread, over 3 days ago. that's very disingenuous,
> not that i'm the least bit surprised.

Sure, sure. Mistakes just never happen in your universe.

> if it's not in the history, you have to either add the .com yourself or
> remember to add a trailing slash which is non-intuitive. who would
> think that ebay/ would convert to www.ebay.com? that's a trick you
> would have had to have read somewhere to know. bad design. 

Are you are aware there are more top level domains than .com? I'm not
sure how realistic it is to expect the web browser to know what web site
you want without actually specifying the domain name...

>> (Since this is mr.know-it-all, never-can-admit-he's-wrong, nospam, you
>> can expect him to argue this until the bitter end as if he's right. But
>> anyone with a Mac running Mavericks with the latest version of Safari
>> can see for themselves that he's in fact just plain wrong.)
>
> actually, they can see that it works exactly as i described on several
> occasions and that i am not wrong at all. 

You're right for one specific case: you've never, ever visited the web
site before. That happens exactly one time for each web site. Hardly the
normal behavior. The way I described, on the other hand, is the way it
more commonly works.

> they will also see that you are once again talking out your ass and
> dropping to your usual puerile insults, as you have here.

I can dish it out just like you. I can also stop dishing it out whenever
you decide to stop. We both know when that will happen. So I guess you'd
better just get used to it.

-- 
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#20589

In article <bk65niFae23U2@mid.individual.net>, Jolly Roger
<jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:

> >> >> A question: I've gotten used to skipping the "www" and "com" when 
> >> >> entering a Web address. Just typing "ebay" and hitting return takes me 
> >> >> to their Web site.
> >> >
> >> > many people have gotten used to that because it's how browsers have
> >> > worked for a couple of decades. now it wont do that. 
> >> 
> >> Wrong. Typing "ebay" and pressing Return will take you directly to the
> >> site. I just did it several times and took a screen shot of it in
> >> another post in this very thread.
> >
> > it's not wrong at all.
> 
> It's most certainly wrong when you've already visited the site in
> question, which is the majority of the time. The ONLY time it's right is
> when you have never, ever visited th site in question. Once you've
> visited it, it works the way I describe.

there's absolutely nothing wrong with what i said.

i explained the scenarios in my very first post, way back on 1/17:

In article <170120141430479790%nospam@nospam.invalid>, nospam
<nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
> the biggest annoyance is that it doesn't automatically append .com
> anymore unless it's in the history or has a trailing slash.

> > you haven't been paying any attention, so here it is again:

and you *still* aren't.

> > it only does that *if* you have been to the site in question,
> > something which i already mentioned more than once, including in what
> > you snipped from the very post to which you are responding and in my
> > first post to this thread, over 3 days ago. that's very disingenuous,
> > not that i'm the least bit surprised.
> 
> Sure, sure. Mistakes just never happen in your universe.

they certainly do in yours, as they do everywhere.

> > if it's not in the history, you have to either add the .com yourself or
> > remember to add a trailing slash which is non-intuitive. who would
> > think that ebay/ would convert to www.ebay.com? that's a trick you
> > would have had to have read somewhere to know. bad design. 
> 
> Are you are aware there are more top level domains than .com? I'm not
> sure how realistic it is to expect the web browser to know what web site
> you want without actually specifying the domain name...

i'm well aware of that, and that's nothing more than a lame diversion
anyway. 

.com is by far the most common case, which is why it has been
automatically appended for roughly two decades.

it's *that* common of a case that the iphone had a dedicated .com key.

that is, until last fall when someone decided it didn't look good so
the .com key was removed in ios 7 along with the / key. 

the .com and other domains are now hidden beneath the period key,
something that's impossible to figure out without having heard it or
read it elsewhere. yet another step backwards in usability. 

> >> (Since this is mr.know-it-all, never-can-admit-he's-wrong, nospam, you
> >> can expect him to argue this until the bitter end as if he's right. But
> >> anyone with a Mac running Mavericks with the latest version of Safari
> >> can see for themselves that he's in fact just plain wrong.)
> >
> > actually, they can see that it works exactly as i described on several
> > occasions and that i am not wrong at all. 
> 
> You're right for one specific case: you've never, ever visited the web
> site before. That happens exactly one time for each web site. Hardly the
> normal behavior. The way I described, on the other hand, is the way it
> more commonly works.

nope. it's not one specific case. as i said, i explained the relevant
scenarios. you just weren't paying any attention to what was posted and
still aren't. 

you just can't admit you screwed up, can you? hilarious, really.
absolutely hilarious. 

> > they will also see that you are once again talking out your ass and
> > dropping to your usual puerile insults, as you have here.
> 
> I can dish it out just like you. I can also stop dishing it out whenever
> you decide to stop. We both know when that will happen. So I guess you'd
> better just get used to it.

i only dish it out when you instigate it, and you can't handle it when
it comes back to bite you in the ass.

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#20592

On 2014-01-21, nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
> In article <bk65niFae23U2@mid.individual.net>, Jolly Roger
><jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
>
>> > it only does that *if* you have been to the site in question,
>> > something which i already mentioned more than once, including in what
>> > you snipped from the very post to which you are responding and in my
>> > first post to this thread, over 3 days ago. that's very disingenuous,
>> > not that i'm the least bit surprised.
>> 
>> Sure, sure. Mistakes just never happen in your universe.
>
> they certainly do in yours, as they do everywhere.

yes, we all know you never get anything wrong yourself. and yet you
immediately assume other people's mistakes are intentional.  you're so
transparent it's fucking boring.

>> > actually, they can see that it works exactly as i described on several
>> > occasions and that i am not wrong at all. 
>> 
>> You're right for one specific case: you've never, ever visited the web
>> site before. That happens exactly one time for each web site. Hardly the
>> normal behavior. The way I described, on the other hand, is the way it
>> more commonly works.
>
> nope. it's not one specific case. as i said, i explained the relevant
> scenarios. you just weren't paying any attention to what was posted and
> still aren't. 

oh deary dear me! can you find in your huge, loving heart to forgive me
for being human and leaving such a huge and important detail out?! i'll
clarify my statement:

you're right for two specific cases: (1) you've never, ever visted the web
site before *and* (2) you don't include a trailing slash. 

now that better matches your original statement. somehow I sense
thats just not going to satisfy your massive superiority complex.

> you just can't admit you screwed up, can you? hilarious, really.
> absolutely hilarious. 

i'm sure you crack yourself up all the time. you're such a fun guy!
you'd have to be a complete idiot if you can't see that just above I
said "You're right." keep on acting a fool, though, if it suits you. 

>> > they will also see that you are once again talking out your ass and
>> > dropping to your usual puerile insults, as you have here.
>> 
>> I can dish it out just like you. I can also stop dishing it out whenever
>> you decide to stop. We both know when that will happen. So I guess you'd
>> better just get used to it.
>
> i only dish it out when you instigate it, and you can't handle it when
> it comes back to bite you in the ass.

the last thing I want is you being concerned about my ass. i don't roll
that way, so keep away. and i can handle anything you dish out, girlie
girl.

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