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How do I get the google window back in Safari?

Started byDavid Downing <david.h.downing@gmail.com>
First post2014-01-17 08:50 -0800
Last post2014-01-25 19:49 -0500
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  How do I get the google window back in Safari? David Downing <david.h.downing@gmail.com> - 2014-01-17 08:50 -0800
    Re: How do I get the google window back in Safari? Ted Lee <tmplee@gmail.com> - 2014-01-17 11:06 -0600
      Re: How do I get the google window back in Safari? isw <isw@witzend.com> - 2014-01-17 09:53 -0800
        Re: How do I get the google window back in Safari? Michael Vilain <vilain@NOspamcop.net> - 2014-01-17 10:15 -0800
          Re: How do I get the google window back in Safari? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-01-17 14:30 -0500
            Re: How do I get the google window back in Safari? Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> - 2014-01-17 16:28 -0500
      Re: How do I get the google window back in Safari? nicknaym@_remove_this_gmail.com.invalid (Nick Naym) - 2014-01-17 18:44 -0500
      Re: How do I get the google window back in Safari? Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> - 2014-01-18 15:39 +0000
        Re: How do I get the google window back in Safari? Joe Wolf Dee <joedid@email.com> - 2014-01-18 10:58 -0500
          Re: How do I get the google window back in Safari? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-01-18 11:21 -0500
        Re: How do I get the google window back in Safari? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-01-19 01:36 +0000
          Re: How do I get the google window back in Safari? Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> - 2014-01-19 02:56 +0000
            Re: How do I get the google window back in Safari? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-01-19 04:17 +0000
              Re: How do I get the google window back in Safari? Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-01-19 09:01 +0000
                Re: How do I get the google window back in Safari? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-01-19 18:48 +0000
                  Re: How do I get the google window back in Safari? Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-01-19 21:20 +0000
              Re: How do I get the google window back in Safari? Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> - 2014-01-19 14:14 -0500
                Re: How do I get the google window back in Safari? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-01-19 15:47 -0500
              Re: How do I get the google window back in Safari? Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> - 2014-01-19 22:32 +0000
                Re: How do I get the google window back in Safari? Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> - 2014-01-20 02:22 -0500
                  Re: How do I get the google window back in Safari? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-01-20 04:00 -0500
                    Re: How do I get the google window back in Safari? Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> - 2014-01-20 15:27 +0000
                      Re: How do I get the google window back in Safari? Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2014-01-20 15:42 +0000
                        Re: How do I get the google window back in Safari? erilar <drache@chibardun.net.invalid> - 2014-01-20 15:50 -0600
                      Re: How do I get the google window back in Safari? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-01-20 10:45 -0500
                      Re: How do I get the google window back in Safari? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-01-20 18:29 +0000
                        Re: How do I get the google window back in Safari? Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> - 2014-01-20 13:59 -0500
                          Re: How do I get the google window back in Safari? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-01-20 19:40 +0000
                        Re: How do I get the google window back in Safari? Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2014-01-20 19:09 +0000
                          Re: How do I get the google window back in Safari? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-01-20 19:40 +0000
                            Re: How do I get the google window back in Safari? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-01-20 14:58 -0500
                              Re: How do I get the google window back in Safari? Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> - 2014-01-20 15:53 -0500
                                Re: How do I get the google window back in Safari? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-01-20 16:28 -0500
                                Re: How do I get the google window back in Safari? Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2014-01-20 23:13 +0000
                                Re: How do I get the google window back in Safari? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-01-21 01:53 +0000
                          Re: How do I get the google window back in Safari? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-01-20 14:58 -0500
                          Re: How do I get the google window back in Safari? Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-01-22 08:30 +0000
                            Re: How do I get the google window back in Safari? Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2014-01-22 10:50 +0000
                              Re: How do I get the google window back in Safari? Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> - 2014-01-22 10:23 -0500
                                Re: How do I get the google window back in Safari? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-01-22 16:19 +0000
                            Re: How do I get the google window back in Safari? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-01-22 16:18 +0000
                              Re: How do I get the google window back in Safari? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-01-22 16:21 +0000
                                Re: How do I get the google window back in Safari? Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2014-01-22 16:39 +0000
                                  Re: How do I get the google window back in Safari? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-01-22 16:47 +0000
                                    Re: How do I get the google window back in Safari? Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2014-01-22 17:06 +0000
                              Re: How do I get the google window back in Safari? Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-01-22 16:56 -0700
                                Re: How do I get the google window back in Safari? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-01-23 00:12 +0000
                        Re: How do I get the google window back in Safari? "D.F. Manno" <dfmanno@mail.com> - 2014-01-20 16:11 -0500
                          Re: How do I get the google window back in Safari? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-01-20 16:28 -0500
                            Re: How do I get the google window back in Safari? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-01-21 01:52 +0000
                              Re: How do I get the google window back in Safari? Kevin McMurtrie <mcmurtrie@pixelmemory.us> - 2014-01-20 18:05 -0800
                                Re: How do I get the google window back in Safari? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-01-21 02:20 +0000
                                  Re: How do I get the google window back in Safari? Kevin McMurtrie <mcmurtrie@pixelmemory.us> - 2014-01-20 22:49 -0800
                                    Re: How do I get the google window back in Safari? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-01-21 14:00 +0000
                                Re: How do I get the google window back in Safari? Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-01-22 08:45 +0000
                                Re: How do I get the google window back in Safari? billy@MIX.COM - 2014-01-24 18:31 +0000
                              Re: How do I get the google window back in Safari? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-01-20 21:37 -0500
                                Re: How do I get the google window back in Safari? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-01-21 02:52 +0000
                                  Re: How do I get the google window back in Safari? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-01-21 04:46 -0500
                                    Re: How do I get the google window back in Safari? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-01-21 14:21 +0000
                          Re: How do I get the google window back in Safari? erilar <drache@chibardun.net.invalid> - 2014-01-20 15:47 -0600
                          Re: How do I get the google window back in Safari? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-01-21 01:46 +0000
                            Re: How do I get the google window back in Safari? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-01-20 21:37 -0500
                              Re: How do I get the google window back in Safari? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-01-21 02:41 +0000
                                Re: How do I get the google window back in Safari? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-01-20 21:43 -0500
                                  Re: How do I get the google window back in Safari? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-01-21 02:55 +0000
                                  Re: How do I get the google window back in Safari? Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> - 2014-01-21 10:39 -0500
                            Re: How do I get the google window back in Safari? "D.F. Manno" <dfmanno@mail.com> - 2014-01-21 22:07 -0500
                          Re: How do I get the google window back in Safari? Jim Jaeger <jimjaeger@example.com> - 2014-01-20 22:28 -0800
                          Re: How do I get the google window back in Safari? Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-01-22 08:41 +0000
                      Re: How do I get the google window back in Safari? dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2014-01-21 12:20 +1300
                    Re: How do I get the google window back in Safari? isw <isw@witzend.com> - 2014-01-20 10:15 -0800
                    Re: How do I get the google window back in Safari? billy@MIX.COM - 2014-01-24 17:41 +0000
                      Re: How do I get the google window back in Safari? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-01-25 19:49 -0500

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#20469 — How do I get the google window back in Safari?

FromDavid Downing <david.h.downing@gmail.com>
Date2014-01-17 08:50 -0800
SubjectHow do I get the google window back in Safari?
Message-ID<d4c879af-6e1e-4376-97e0-45dd45502131@googlegroups.com>
I just installed Mavericks and the new version of Safari seems to not have one feature the previous one did -- the search field in the upper right of the browser screen that lets you search google. Is this gone now or is there a way to get it back?

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#20470

FromTed Lee <tmplee@gmail.com>
Date2014-01-17 11:06 -0600
Message-ID<lbbnve$1ve$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#20469
On 1/17/14, 10:50 AM, David Downing wrote:
> I just installed Mavericks and the new version of Safari seems to not have one feature the previous one did -- the search field in the upper right of the browser screen that lets you search google. Is this gone now or is there a way to get it back?

The search field has been combined with the URL field.  If you put in 
what looks like a URL, it will try to open that.  If you put in anything 
else it will do a search.  (There's a pick-list in the Safari general 
preferences to select among Google, Yahoo, or Bing as the default search 
engine.)   If you put quotes around a URL you enter in that field, it'll 
search for that rather than open it.  I like this new feature, except 
when I use another machine that hasn't been updated and find myself 
entering a search term into the URL field.


Ted

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#20471

Fromisw <isw@witzend.com>
Date2014-01-17 09:53 -0800
Message-ID<isw-E6837D.09532817012014@[216.168.3.50]>
In reply to#20470
In article <lbbnve$1ve$1@dont-email.me>, Ted Lee <tmplee@gmail.com> 
wrote:

> On 1/17/14, 10:50 AM, David Downing wrote:
> > I just installed Mavericks and the new version of Safari seems to not have 
> > one feature the previous one did -- the search field in the upper right of 
> > the browser screen that lets you search google. Is this gone now or is 
> > there a way to get it back?
> 
> The search field has been combined with the URL field.  If you put in 
> what looks like a URL, it will try to open that.  If you put in anything 
> else it will do a search.

Firefox has worked this way for a while, as I discovered when I thought 
I'd tabbed to the search field, but hadn't.

Isaac

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#20473

FromMichael Vilain <vilain@NOspamcop.net>
Date2014-01-17 10:15 -0800
Message-ID<vilain-E0A8C6.10155517012014@news.individual.net>
In reply to#20471
In article <isw-E6837D.09532817012014@[216.168.3.50]>,
 isw <isw@witzend.com> wrote:

> In article <lbbnve$1ve$1@dont-email.me>, Ted Lee <tmplee@gmail.com> 
> wrote:
> 
> > On 1/17/14, 10:50 AM, David Downing wrote:
> > > I just installed Mavericks and the new version of Safari seems to not 
> > > have 
> > > one feature the previous one did -- the search field in the upper right 
> > > of 
> > > the browser screen that lets you search google. Is this gone now or is 
> > > there a way to get it back?
> > 
> > The search field has been combined with the URL field.  If you put in 
> > what looks like a URL, it will try to open that.  If you put in anything 
> > else it will do a search.
> 
> Firefox has worked this way for a while, as I discovered when I thought 
> I'd tabbed to the search field, but hadn't.
> 
> Isaac

Same with Chrome. Not as intuitive but it saves real estate on the menu 
bar.

-- 
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[I filter all Goggle Groups posts, so any reply may be automatically ignored]

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#20476

Fromnospam <nospam@nospam.invalid>
Date2014-01-17 14:30 -0500
Message-ID<170120141430479790%nospam@nospam.invalid>
In reply to#20473
In article <vilain-E0A8C6.10155517012014@news.individual.net>, Michael
Vilain <vilain@NOspamcop.net> wrote:

> > > The search field has been combined with the URL field.  If you put in 
> > > what looks like a URL, it will try to open that.  If you put in anything 
> > > else it will do a search.
> > 
> > Firefox has worked this way for a while, as I discovered when I thought 
> > I'd tabbed to the search field, but hadn't.
> 
> Same with Chrome. Not as intuitive but it saves real estate on the menu 
> bar.

which is why it's a dumb idea. it's not like there was a pressing need
for more space in the address bar. 

the biggest annoyance is that it doesn't automatically append .com
anymore unless it's in the history or has a trailing slash.

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#20478

FromBarry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu>
Date2014-01-17 16:28 -0500
Message-ID<barmar-7A610A.16282717012014@news.eternal-september.org>
In reply to#20476
In article <170120141430479790%nospam@nospam.invalid>,
 nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:

> In article <vilain-E0A8C6.10155517012014@news.individual.net>, Michael
> Vilain <vilain@NOspamcop.net> wrote:
> 
> > > > The search field has been combined with the URL field.  If you put in 
> > > > what looks like a URL, it will try to open that.  If you put in 
> > > > anything 
> > > > else it will do a search.
> > > 
> > > Firefox has worked this way for a while, as I discovered when I thought 
> > > I'd tabbed to the search field, but hadn't.
> > 
> > Same with Chrome. Not as intuitive but it saves real estate on the menu 
> > bar.
> 
> which is why it's a dumb idea. it's not like there was a pressing need
> for more space in the address bar. 

I think it *is* more intuitive.

My elderly mother always gets confused between those two fields. She 
doesn't know what a URL is, she just wants to type what she wants in the 
most obvious field. I always have to tell her "No, if you're searching 
you have to use the Google box on the right".

-- 
Barry Margolin, barmar@alum.mit.edu
Arlington, MA
*** PLEASE post questions in newsgroups, not directly to me ***

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#20480

Fromnicknaym@_remove_this_gmail.com.invalid (Nick Naym)
Date2014-01-17 18:44 -0500
Message-ID<1lfmrex.xmcpyal8zlhcN%nicknaym@_remove_this_gmail.com.invalid>
In reply to#20470
Ted Lee <tmplee@gmail.com> wrote:

> On 1/17/14, 10:50 AM, David Downing wrote: > I just installed Mavericks
> and the new version of Safari seems to not have one feature the previous
> one did -- the search field in the upper right of the browser screen that
> lets you search google. Is this gone now or is there a way to get it back?
> 
> The search field has been combined with the URL field.  If you put in what
> looks like a URL, it will try to open that.  If you put in anything else
> it will do a search.  (There's a pick-list in the Safari general
> preferences to select among Google, Yahoo, or Bing as the default search
> engine.)   If you put quotes around a URL you enter in that field, it'll
> search for that rather than open it.

That's how it's been working since at least Mountain Lion (I don't know
about Lion: I was forced to go from Snow Leopard directly to Mountain
Lion, which, BTW, I fundamentally dislike -- I think it absolutely sucks
wind.)


I like this new feature, except > when I use another machine that hasn't
been updated and find myself > entering a search term into the URL
field.
> 
> 
> Ted


-- 
iMac (27", 3.2 GHz Intel Core i5, 8GB RAM, 1 TB HDD) • OS X (10.8.5)

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#20486

FromErilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid>
Date2014-01-18 15:39 +0000
Message-ID<lbe76n$4mj$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#20470
Ted Lee <tmplee@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 1/17/14, 10:50 AM, David Downing wrote:
>> I just installed Mavericks and the new version of Safari seems to not
>> have one feature the previous one did -- the search field in the upper
>> right of the browser screen that lets you search google. Is this gone
>> now or is there a way to get it back?
> 
> The search field has been combined with the URL field.  If you put in
> what looks like a URL, it will try to open that.  If you put in anything
> else it will do a search.  (There's a pick-list in the Safari general
> preferences to select among Google, Yahoo, or Bing as the default search
> engine.)   If you put quotes around a URL you enter in that field, it'll
> search for that rather than open it.  I like this new feature, except
> when I use another machine that hasn't been updated and find myself
> entering a search term into the URL field.
> 
That really sounds like another downgrade to me!

-- 
Erilar, biblioholic medievalist with iPad

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#20487

FromJoe Wolf Dee <joedid@email.com>
Date2014-01-18 10:58 -0500
Message-ID<lbe8bh$b0q$2@dont-email.me>
In reply to#20486
On 2014-01-18 15:39:03 +0000, Erilar said:

> Ted Lee <tmplee@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On 1/17/14, 10:50 AM, David Downing wrote:
>>> I just installed Mavericks and the new version of Safari seems to not
>>> have one feature the previous one did -- the search field in the upper
>>> right of the browser screen that lets you search google. Is this gone
>>> now or is there a way to get it back?
>> 
>> The search field has been combined with the URL field.  If you put in
>> what looks like a URL, it will try to open that.  If you put in anything
>> else it will do a search.  (There's a pick-list in the Safari general
>> preferences to select among Google, Yahoo, or Bing as the default search
>> engine.)   If you put quotes around a URL you enter in that field, it'll
>> search for that rather than open it.  I like this new feature, except
>> when I use another machine that hasn't been updated and find myself
>> entering a search term into the URL field.
>> 
> That really sounds like another downgrade to me!

It's not. It makes perfect sense once you realize it just works.
-- 
JoeWolfDee
Among those whom I like or admire, I can find no common denominator, 
but among those whom I love, I can: all of them make me laugh.  --WH 
Auden

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#20488

Fromnospam <nospam@nospam.invalid>
Date2014-01-18 11:21 -0500
Message-ID<180120141121191695%nospam@nospam.invalid>
In reply to#20487
In article <lbe8bh$b0q$2@dont-email.me>, Joe Wolf Dee
<joedid@email.com> wrote:

> >> The search field has been combined with the URL field.  If you put in
> >> what looks like a URL, it will try to open that.  If you put in anything
> >> else it will do a search.  (There's a pick-list in the Safari general
> >> preferences to select among Google, Yahoo, or Bing as the default search
> >> engine.)   If you put quotes around a URL you enter in that field, it'll
> >> search for that rather than open it.  I like this new feature, except
> >> when I use another machine that hasn't been updated and find myself
> >> entering a search term into the URL field.
> >> 
> > That really sounds like another downgrade to me!
> 
> It's not. It makes perfect sense once you realize it just works.

it's definitely a step backwards.

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#20502

FromJolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com>
Date2014-01-19 01:36 +0000
Message-ID<bk0ogdF65qsU1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#20486
On 2014-01-18, Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> wrote:
> Ted Lee <tmplee@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On 1/17/14, 10:50 AM, David Downing wrote:
>>> I just installed Mavericks and the new version of Safari seems to not
>>> have one feature the previous one did -- the search field in the upper
>>> right of the browser screen that lets you search google. Is this gone
>>> now or is there a way to get it back?
>> 
>> The search field has been combined with the URL field.  If you put in
>> what looks like a URL, it will try to open that.  If you put in anything
>> else it will do a search.  (There's a pick-list in the Safari general
>> preferences to select among Google, Yahoo, or Bing as the default search
>> engine.)   If you put quotes around a URL you enter in that field, it'll
>> search for that rather than open it.  I like this new feature, except
>> when I use another machine that hasn't been updated and find myself
>> entering a search term into the URL field.
>> 
> That really sounds like another downgrade to me!

Can you explain you think so?

-- 
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I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead.

JR

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#20504

FromErilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid>
Date2014-01-19 02:56 +0000
Message-ID<lbfet4$bl1$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#20502
Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
> On 2014-01-18, Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> wrote:
>> Ted Lee <tmplee@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> On 1/17/14, 10:50 AM, David Downing wrote:
>>>> I just installed Mavericks and the new version of Safari seems to not
>>>> have one feature the previous one did -- the search field in the upper
>>>> right of the browser screen that lets you search google. Is this gone
>>>> now or is there a way to get it back?
>>> 
>>> The search field has been combined with the URL field.  If you put in
>>> what looks like a URL, it will try to open that.  If you put in anything
>>> else it will do a search.  (There's a pick-list in the Safari general
>>> preferences to select among Google, Yahoo, or Bing as the default search
>>> engine.)   If you put quotes around a URL you enter in that field, it'll
>>> search for that rather than open it.  I like this new feature, except
>>> when I use another machine that hasn't been updated and find myself
>>> entering a search term into the URL field.
>>> 
>> That really sounds like another downgrade to me!
> 
> Can you explain you think so?

Every "simplification" or "improvement" I see described about this system
strikes me as taking control away from the user, as has been happening in
both software and hardware. Instead of allowing choces or being able to
control settings on a sliding scale, we are now dumped into discrete slots
that allow of little to no variance.  Plrase explain to me how this is an
advantage for any but the hapless.

-- 
Erilar, biblioholic medievalist with iPad

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#20505

FromJolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com>
Date2014-01-19 04:17 +0000
Message-ID<bk11v2F7so5U1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#20504
On 2014-01-19, Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> wrote:
> Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
>> On 2014-01-18, Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> wrote:
>>> Ted Lee <tmplee@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> On 1/17/14, 10:50 AM, David Downing wrote:
>>>>> I just installed Mavericks and the new version of Safari seems to not
>>>>> have one feature the previous one did -- the search field in the upper
>>>>> right of the browser screen that lets you search google. Is this gone
>>>>> now or is there a way to get it back?
>>>> 
>>>> The search field has been combined with the URL field.  If you put
>>>> in what looks like a URL, it will try to open that.  If you put in
>>>> anything else it will do a search.  (There's a pick-list in the
>>>> Safari general preferences to select among Google, Yahoo, or Bing
>>>> as the default search engine.)   If you put quotes around a URL you
>>>> enter in that field, it'll search for that rather than open it.  I
>>>> like this new feature, except when I use another machine that
>>>> hasn't been updated and find myself entering a search term into the
>>>> URL field.
>>>> 
>>> That really sounds like another downgrade to me!
>> 
>> Can you explain you think so?
>
> Every "simplification" or "improvement" I see described about this system
> strikes me as taking control away from the user, as has been happening in
> both software and hardware. Instead of allowing choces or being able to
> control settings on a sliding scale, we are now dumped into discrete slots
> that allow of little to no variance.  Plrase explain to me how this is an
> advantage for any but the hapless.

What is it about this particular change that you consider a step
backward?

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#20507

FromLewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies>
Date2014-01-19 09:01 +0000
Message-ID<slrnldn52j.v1p.g.kreme@amelia.local>
In reply to#20505
In message <bk11v2F7so5U1@mid.individual.net> 
  Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
> On 2014-01-19, Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> wrote:
>> Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
>>> On 2014-01-18, Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> wrote:
>>>> Ted Lee <tmplee@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> On 1/17/14, 10:50 AM, David Downing wrote:
>>>>>> I just installed Mavericks and the new version of Safari seems to not
>>>>>> have one feature the previous one did -- the search field in the upper
>>>>>> right of the browser screen that lets you search google. Is this gone
>>>>>> now or is there a way to get it back?
>>>>> 
>>>>> The search field has been combined with the URL field.  If you put
>>>>> in what looks like a URL, it will try to open that.  If you put in
>>>>> anything else it will do a search.  (There's a pick-list in the
>>>>> Safari general preferences to select among Google, Yahoo, or Bing
>>>>> as the default search engine.)   If you put quotes around a URL you
>>>>> enter in that field, it'll search for that rather than open it.  I
>>>>> like this new feature, except when I use another machine that
>>>>> hasn't been updated and find myself entering a search term into the
>>>>> URL field.
>>>>> 
>>>> That really sounds like another downgrade to me!
>>> 
>>> Can you explain you think so?
>>
>> Every "simplification" or "improvement" I see described about this system
>> strikes me as taking control away from the user, as has been happening in
>> both software and hardware. Instead of allowing choces or being able to
>> control settings on a sliding scale, we are now dumped into discrete slots
>> that allow of little to no variance.  Plrase explain to me how this is an
>> advantage for any but the hapless.

> What is it about this particular change that you consider a step
> backward?

Change? F34R!


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#20519

FromJolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com>
Date2014-01-19 18:48 +0000
Message-ID<bk2l01Fia03U1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#20507
On 2014-01-19, Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:
> In message <bk11v2F7so5U1@mid.individual.net> 
>   Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
>> On 2014-01-19, Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> wrote:
>>> Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
>>>> On 2014-01-18, Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> wrote:
>>>>> Ted Lee <tmplee@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> On 1/17/14, 10:50 AM, David Downing wrote:
>>>>>>> I just installed Mavericks and the new version of Safari seems
>>>>>>> to not have one feature the previous one did -- the search field
>>>>>>> in the upper right of the browser screen that lets you search
>>>>>>> google. Is this gone now or is there a way to get it back?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> The search field has been combined with the URL field.  If you
>>>>>> put in what looks like a URL, it will try to open that.  If you
>>>>>> put in anything else it will do a search.  (There's a pick-list
>>>>>> in the Safari general preferences to select among Google, Yahoo,
>>>>>> or Bing as the default search engine.)   If you put quotes around
>>>>>> a URL you enter in that field, it'll search for that rather than
>>>>>> open it.  I like this new feature, except when I use another
>>>>>> machine that hasn't been updated and find myself entering a
>>>>>> search term into the URL field.
>>>>>> 
>>>>> That really sounds like another downgrade to me!
>>>> 
>>>> Can you explain you think so?
>>>
>>> Every "simplification" or "improvement" I see described about this
>>> system strikes me as taking control away from the user, as has been
>>> happening in both software and hardware. Instead of allowing choces
>>> or being able to control settings on a sliding scale, we are now
>>> dumped into discrete slots that allow of little to no variance.
>>> Plrase explain to me how this is an advantage for any but the
>>> hapless.
>
>> What is it about this particular change that you consider a step
>> backward?
>
> Change? F34R!

Probably. Pretty silly...

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#20528

FromLewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies>
Date2014-01-19 21:20 +0000
Message-ID<slrnldogci.123t.g.kreme@amelia.local>
In reply to#20519
In message <bk2l01Fia03U1@mid.individual.net> 
  Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
> On 2014-01-19, Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:
>> In message <bk11v2F7so5U1@mid.individual.net> 
>>   Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
>>> On 2014-01-19, Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> wrote:
>>>> Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
>>>>> On 2014-01-18, Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> wrote:
>>>>>> Ted Lee <tmplee@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> On 1/17/14, 10:50 AM, David Downing wrote:
>>>>>>>> I just installed Mavericks and the new version of Safari seems
>>>>>>>> to not have one feature the previous one did -- the search field
>>>>>>>> in the upper right of the browser screen that lets you search
>>>>>>>> google. Is this gone now or is there a way to get it back?
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> The search field has been combined with the URL field.  If you
>>>>>>> put in what looks like a URL, it will try to open that.  If you
>>>>>>> put in anything else it will do a search.  (There's a pick-list
>>>>>>> in the Safari general preferences to select among Google, Yahoo,
>>>>>>> or Bing as the default search engine.)   If you put quotes around
>>>>>>> a URL you enter in that field, it'll search for that rather than
>>>>>>> open it.  I like this new feature, except when I use another
>>>>>>> machine that hasn't been updated and find myself entering a
>>>>>>> search term into the URL field.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>> That really sounds like another downgrade to me!
>>>>> 
>>>>> Can you explain you think so?
>>>>
>>>> Every "simplification" or "improvement" I see described about this
>>>> system strikes me as taking control away from the user, as has been
>>>> happening in both software and hardware. Instead of allowing choces
>>>> or being able to control settings on a sliding scale, we are now
>>>> dumped into discrete slots that allow of little to no variance.
>>>> Plrase explain to me how this is an advantage for any but the
>>>> hapless.
>>
>>> What is it about this particular change that you consider a step
>>> backward?
>>
>> Change? F34R!

> Probably. Pretty silly...

Considering how much better the "Awesome bar"¹ is than the old method,
what else could it be.

¹ Yeah, I know, that was Firefox's name for it.

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#20520

FromBarry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu>
Date2014-01-19 14:14 -0500
Message-ID<barmar-34CDCD.14142719012014@news.eternal-september.org>
In reply to#20505
In article <bk11v2F7so5U1@mid.individual.net>,
 Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:

> > Every "simplification" or "improvement" I see described about this system
> > strikes me as taking control away from the user, as has been happening in
> > both software and hardware. Instead of allowing choces or being able to
> > control settings on a sliding scale, we are now dumped into discrete slots
> > that allow of little to no variance.  Plrase explain to me how this is an
> > advantage for any but the hapless.
> 
> What is it about this particular change that you consider a step
> backward?

One response mentioned that it no longer automatically adds ".com" if 
you type a word without the TLD suffix.

But if you don't like the browser "helping" you, it seems like you 
should object to that as well. Essentially, they've just replaced one 
heuristic (treat a single word as an abbreviation for word.com) with 
another (treat a single word as a search term).

Actually, it seems like it should be possible to have both. If you type 
a single word, it can try connecting to word.com and www.word.com. If it 
can't, then it can use it as a search.

-- 
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Arlington, MA
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#20526

Fromnospam <nospam@nospam.invalid>
Date2014-01-19 15:47 -0500
Message-ID<190120141547072481%nospam@nospam.invalid>
In reply to#20520
In article <barmar-34CDCD.14142719012014@news.eternal-september.org>,
Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> wrote:

> Actually, it seems like it should be possible to have both. If you type 
> a single word, it can try connecting to word.com and www.word.com. If it 
> can't, then it can use it as a search.

that would be a reasonable compromise, but the way it is now, it's a
step backwards.

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#20531

FromErilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid>
Date2014-01-19 22:32 +0000
Message-ID<lbhjqe$o5q$3@dont-email.me>
In reply to#20505
Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
> On 2014-01-19, Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> wrote:

>> 
>> Every "simplification" or "improvement" I see described about this system
>> strikes me as taking control away from the user, as has been happening in
>> both software and hardware. Instead of allowing choces or being able to
>> control settings on a sliding scale, we are now dumped into discrete slots
>> that allow of little to no variance.  Plrase explain to me how this is an
>> advantage for any but the hapless.
> 
> What is it about this particular change that you consider a step
> backward?

It's just a minor irritant added to the major ones, but it's yet another
"you're not smart enough to deal with more than one option" statement.

-- 
Erilar, biblioholic medievalist with iPad

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#20542

FromBarry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu>
Date2014-01-20 02:22 -0500
Message-ID<barmar-4A975E.02223520012014@news.eternal-september.org>
In reply to#20531
In article <lbhjqe$o5q$3@dont-email.me>,
 Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> wrote:

> Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
> > On 2014-01-19, Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> wrote:
> 
> >> 
> >> Every "simplification" or "improvement" I see described about this system
> >> strikes me as taking control away from the user, as has been happening in
> >> both software and hardware. Instead of allowing choces or being able to
> >> control settings on a sliding scale, we are now dumped into discrete slots
> >> that allow of little to no variance.  Plrase explain to me how this is an
> >> advantage for any but the hapless.
> > 
> > What is it about this particular change that you consider a step
> > backward?
> 
> It's just a minor irritant added to the major ones, but it's yet another
> "you're not smart enough to deal with more than one option" statement.

But lots of Mac users *aren't* smart enough! Remember the old slogan, 
the "computer for the rest of us"? My mother, for example, would always 
try to enter search terms in the address bar.

Other browsers have done this for years, Apple finally caught on. It's 
not really a matter of "we're smarter than you", it's "why do you need 
two fields when it's easy to tell a URL from a search string?"

-- 
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Arlington, MA
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