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  Office 2012 Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2013-10-30 12:21 +0000
    Re: Office 2012 Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-10-30 12:45 +0000
      Re: Office 2012 Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2013-10-30 14:39 +0000
        Re: Office 2012 Wes Groleau <Groleau+news@FreeShell.org> - 2013-10-30 12:09 -0400
          Re: Office 2012 Lloyd <lloydp21@live.com> - 2013-10-30 11:38 -0500
          Re: Office 2012 PhillipJones <pjonescet@comcast.net> - 2013-10-30 15:39 -0400
            Re: Office 2012 Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2013-10-30 22:22 +0000
              Re: Office 2012 gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2013-10-31 15:14 -0700
          Re: Office 2012 gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2013-10-31 15:13 -0700
            Re: Office 2012 Lloyd  E Parsons <lloydp21@live.com> - 2013-10-31 18:13 -0500
            Re: Office 2012 briang@panix.com (Brian Gordon) - 2013-10-31 23:17 +0000
            Re: Office 2012 dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2013-11-01 12:28 +1300
              Re: Office 2012 Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2013-10-31 20:22 -0400
            Re: Office 2012 Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-11-01 01:24 +0000
    Re: Office 2012 ErikRS <mac-dane@is.invalid> - 2013-10-30 17:31 +0100
      Re: Office 2012 Lloyd <lloydp21@live.com> - 2013-10-30 11:42 -0500
    Re: Office 2012 Suze <replytome@thenewsgroup.com> - 2013-10-30 17:33 -0500
      Re: Office 2012 Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2013-10-30 22:54 +0000

#19021 — Office 2012

Office 2008 in use here, doesn't seem too bad but there are some
oddities [1] about it. Had considered going to Office 2012, but:

1) Are there fewer odd things than in O-2008?

2) Do people find they get used to this new-fangled ribbon or does it
continue to be a monstrosity?

3) Is it possible to dispense with the ribbon in O-2012 altogether and
just have the traditional look to it all - menus and popup panels?


[1] Can't quite put my finger on what I mean by oddities, just that I
have to be continually careful when doing stuff. Recently I made a
change to a bar chart and all the bars suddenly became wafer thin and
barely visible. And if I'm typing text into a spreadsheet cell, I can't
use the arrow keys to back up in that text. Etc.

-- 
Tim

"That excessive bail ought not to be required, nor excessive fines imposed,
nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted"  --  Bill of Rights 1689

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#19025

In message <301020131221011083%timstreater@greenbee.net> 
  Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> wrote:
> Office 2008 in use here, doesn't seem too bad but there are some
> oddities [1] about it. Had considered going to Office 2012, but:

Why are you posting about Windows versions of Office to csm.apps?

> 2) Do people find they get used to this new-fangled ribbon or does it
> continue to be a monstrosity?

I suspect there are people, somewhere, who like the ribbon. I've
never met one.


-- 
Love seeketh not itself to please Nor for itself hath any care But for
another gives its ease And builds a heaven in Hell's despair

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#19033

In article <slrnl71vrt.18sg.g.kreme@mbp55.local>, Lewis
<g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:

> In message <301020131221011083%timstreater@greenbee.net> 
>   Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> wrote:
> > Office 2008 in use here, doesn't seem too bad but there are some
> > oddities [1] about it. Had considered going to Office 2012, but:
> 
> Why are you posting about Windows versions of Office to csm.apps?

Consider my post suitably amended.

I don't particularly follow what MS does with Office, but had the
impression they did new releases every 4 years.

-- 
Tim

"That excessive bail ought not to be required, nor excessive fines imposed,
nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted"  --  Bill of Rights 1689

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#19039

On 10-30-2013, 10:39, Tim Streater wrote:
> I don't particularly follow what MS does with Office, but had the
> impression they did new releases every 4 years.

It varies.  I've supported Offices 2003, 2007, and 2010 at work on 
Windows.  I don't believe there have been any other versions between.

On Mac, I'm only aware of Offices X, 2008, and 2011.  (And I don't think 
I saw any others when looking at MSDN downloads that my employer bought 
subscription for.)

-- 
Wes Groleau

Heroes, Heritage, and History
http://UniGen.us/webtrees

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#19044

In article <l4rb0d$9gf$1@dont-email.me>, Wes Groleau
<Groleau+news@FreeShell.org> wrote:

> On 10-30-2013, 10:39, Tim Streater wrote:
> > I don't particularly follow what MS does with Office, but had the
> > impression they did new releases every 4 years.
> 
> It varies.  I've supported Offices 2003, 2007, and 2010 at work on 
> Windows.  I don't believe there have been any other versions between.
> 
> On Mac, I'm only aware of Offices X, 2008, and 2011.  (And I don't think 
> I saw any others when looking at MSDN downloads that my employer bought 
> subscription for.)

I've got a Office 365 Home subscription, and 2011 is the newest for the
Mac.  They supposedly are working on getting it more up to date 'soon'!
:)

-- 
Lloyd

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#19060

Wes Groleau wrote:
> On 10-30-2013, 10:39, Tim Streater wrote:
>> I don't particularly follow what MS does with Office, but had the
>> impression they did new releases every 4 years.
>
> It varies.  I've supported Offices 2003, 2007, and 2010 at work on
> Windows.  I don't believe there have been any other versions between.
>
> On Mac, I'm only aware of Offices X, 2008, and 2011.  (And I don't think
> I saw any others when looking at MSDN downloads that my employer bought
> subscription for.)
>
Office Windows 2000,2003,2007,2010,2013
Office Mac OfficeX,2004,2008,2011 if there is a new boxed version it 
will be 2014

-- 
Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.      "If it's Fixed, Don't Break it"
http://www.phillipmjones.net    mailto:pjonescet@comcast.net

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#19078

In article <l4rn96$936$1@news.albasani.net>, PhillipJones
<pjonescet@comcast.net> wrote:

> Wes Groleau wrote:
> > On 10-30-2013, 10:39, Tim Streater wrote:
> >> I don't particularly follow what MS does with Office, but had the
> >> impression they did new releases every 4 years.
> >
> > It varies.  I've supported Offices 2003, 2007, and 2010 at work on
> > Windows.  I don't believe there have been any other versions between.
> >
> > On Mac, I'm only aware of Offices X, 2008, and 2011.  (And I don't think
> > I saw any others when looking at MSDN downloads that my employer bought
> > subscription for.)
> >
> Office Windows 2000,2003,2007,2010,2013
> Office Mac OfficeX,2004,2008,2011 if there is a new boxed version it 
> will be 2014

I guess this is typical Usenet fiddling while Rome burns. I don't
really give a monkey's whether the Win/Mac versions were released in
2011/2012 as I assumed, or in 2010/2011 as appears to be the case.

I asked some questions in my OP. Now, you clowns gonna give some
opinions on that or continue with release date trivia. Answers on a
postcard please, or, preferably, here.

Thank you - so kind.

-- 
Tim

"That excessive bail ought not to be required, nor excessive fines imposed,
nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted"  --  Bill of Rights 1689

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#19156

On 2013-10-30 22:22:36 +0000, Tim Streater said:

> I guess this is typical Usenet fiddling while Rome burns.

You got that right: Hell at least the topic is still tangentially on 
Office, right?  We should all be so lucky!

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#19155

On 2013-10-30 16:09:49 +0000, Wes Groleau said:

> On Mac, I'm only aware of Offices X, 2008, and 2011.  (And I don't 
> think I saw any others when looking at MSDN downloads that my employer 
> bought subscription for.)

While on the topic, is Office 2011 fully supported in Mavericks? 

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#19160

On 2013-10-31 22:13:02 +0000, gtr said:

> On 2013-10-30 16:09:49 +0000, Wes Groleau said:
> 
>> On Mac, I'm only aware of Offices X, 2008, and 2011.  (And I don't 
>> think I saw any others when looking at MSDN downloads that my employer 
>> bought subscription for.)
> 
> While on the topic, is Office 2011 fully supported in Mavericks?

Seems to be.  I've not had any issues, nor have I read of any.
-- 
Lloyd

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#19161

In article <2013103115130220925-xxx@yyyzzz>, gtr  <xxx@yyy.zzz> wrote:
>On 2013-10-30 16:09:49 +0000, Wes Groleau said:
>
>> On Mac, I'm only aware of Offices X, 2008, and 2011.  (And I don't 
>> think I saw any others when looking at MSDN downloads that my employer 
>> bought subscription for.)
>
>While on the topic, is Office 2011 fully supported in Mavericks? 
>

Seems fine to me.  Word 2011 Version 14.3.8.  10.9 Maverics, 15-inch late 2011 MacBook Pro.

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+ brianggordon@hotmail.com   Bass: Lexington "Main Street Harmonizers" chorus +
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#19162

gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> wrote:

> On 2013-10-30 16:09:49 +0000, Wes Groleau said:
> 
> > On Mac, I'm only aware of Offices X, 2008, and 2011.  (And I don't 
> > think I saw any others when looking at MSDN downloads that my employer
> > bought subscription for.)
> 
> While on the topic, is Office 2011 fully supported in Mavericks? 

The system requirements for Office 2011 say "10.5.8 or later", and
Office 2011 is still supported, therefore it would be fair to assume
that if there are any compatibility issues, Microsoft will fix them in
an update.

If there are any compatibilty issues with Office 2008, Microsoft won't
fix them since they have stopped supporting that version.

I haven't found any obviously placed official statements from Microsoft
about OS X 10.9 support/compatibility, but there was this in a forum
thread, with a moderator saying that both 2008 and 2011 were compatible.

http://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/mac/forum/macoffice2011-macstart/office-2011-compatibility-with-os-x-109/9610760c-bd9e-4ea6-a89b-729473efe08b

Other comments in the thread suggest that there are problems with
non-English versions of Office 2011, and the same moderator mentioned
problems with multiple displays.

-- 
David Empson
dempson@actrix.gen.nz

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#19164

On 2013.10.31, 19:28 , David Empson wrote:
> gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> wrote:
>
>> On 2013-10-30 16:09:49 +0000, Wes Groleau said:
>>
>>> On Mac, I'm only aware of Offices X, 2008, and 2011.  (And I don't
>>> think I saw any others when looking at MSDN downloads that my employer
>>> bought subscription for.)
>>
>> While on the topic, is Office 2011 fully supported in Mavericks?
>
> The system requirements for Office 2011 say "10.5.8 or later", and
> Office 2011 is still supported, therefore it would be fair to assume
> that if there are any compatibility issues, Microsoft will fix them in
> an update.
>
> If there are any compatibilty issues with Office 2008, Microsoft won't
> fix them since they have stopped supporting that version.
>
> I haven't found any obviously placed official statements from Microsoft
> about OS X 10.9 support/compatibility, but there was this in a forum
> thread, with a moderator saying that both 2008 and 2011 were compatible.

I've had no issues with 2008 for Word and Excel.  Haven't done any 
PowerPoint with it since Mavericks.

I do notice that editing a photo into a Word document remains a 
painfully slow and tedious thing (which I fortunately don't do often) 
and I recently resorted to (shh!) the new "free" Pages to do so.

-- 
"Quotation, n: The act of repeating erroneously the words of another."
                                                 -Ambrose Bierce

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#19168

In message <2013103115130220925-xxx@yyyzzz> 
  gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> wrote:
> On 2013-10-30 16:09:49 +0000, Wes Groleau said:

>> On Mac, I'm only aware of Offices X, 2008, and 2011.  (And I don't 
>> think I saw any others when looking at MSDN downloads that my employer 
>> bought subscription for.)

> While on the topic, is Office 2011 fully supported in Mavericks? 

It works. More than that I cannot say.

-- 
Angie, Angie, when will those clouds all disappear?
Angie, Angie, where will it lead us from here?
With no lovin' in our soul and no money in our coats You can't say we're satisfied
But Angie, Angie--You can't say we never tried

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#19043

Tim Streater wrote:
> Office 2008 in use here, doesn't seem too bad but there are some
> oddities [1] about it. Had considered going to Office 2012, but:

The newest release for Mac is called MSOffice 2013. The prior version is 
the ver. 2011.

> 1) Are there fewer odd things than in O-2008?

No, just the opposite. Both ver. 2011 and 2013 are far much worse than 
MSO 2008.

> 2) Do people find they get used to this new-fangled ribbon or does it
> continue to be a monstrosity?

I tried both versions for a couple of months, but never get used to work 
with it, so I went back to my MSO 2008

> 3) Is it possible to dispense with the ribbon in O-2012 altogether and
> just have the traditional look to it all - menus and popup panels?

I don't like the ribbons and along with the monster-menus these take all 
too much space up - even on a 27" monitor. Hereto I find both MSO 2011 
and 2013 way too slow.

> [1] Can't quite put my finger on what I mean by oddities, just that I
> have to be continually careful when doing stuff. Recently I made a
> change to a bar chart and all the bars suddenly became wafer thin and
> barely visible. And if I'm typing text into a spreadsheet cell, I can't
> use the arrow keys to back up in that text. Etc.

Graphs and charts have always been a problem with the newer versions of 
MSO - both Mac and Windows versions. So instead I stick with my MSO 2008 
and have installed the newest Apache OpenOffice 4.0.0. It is quite 
stable though it is a 'release candidate'. I've also found that 
compatibility with Excel now works fairly good. - Earlier versions of 
OpenOffice might lose cross references, but I haven't observed this in 
ver. 4.0 until now. - Don't work with graphs and charts, so here I can't 
tell which is the better one.

I have OpenOffice on both my Macs and my Windows machine and they are 
set up identically in OpenOffice and as close as possible in MSO 2008 
(Mac) and 2003 (Win).

Cheers, Erik Richard

-- 
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Erik Richard Sørensen, Member of ADC, <mac-daneRE@MOVEstofanet.dk>
NisusWriter - The Future In Multilingual Text Processing - www.nisus.com
Openoffice.org - The Modern Productivity Solution - www.openoffice.org
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

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#19046

In article <l4rc91$4is$1@solani.org>, ErikRS <mac-dane@is.invalid>
wrote:

> Tim Streater wrote:
> > Office 2008 in use here, doesn't seem too bad but there are some
> > oddities [1] about it. Had considered going to Office 2012, but:
> 
> The newest release for Mac is called MSOffice 2013. The prior version is 
> the ver. 2011.
> 
Well you can google for office 2013, but all the links will show you it
is office 2011.  They have not yet released a newer version for the
Mac.

-- 
Lloyd

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#19081

In article <301020131221011083%timstreater@greenbee.net>,
 Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> wrote:

> Office 2008 in use here, doesn't seem too bad but there are some
> oddities [1] about it. Had considered going to Office 2012, but:
> 
> 1) Are there fewer odd things than in O-2008?
> 
> 2) Do people find they get used to this new-fangled ribbon or does it
> continue to be a monstrosity?
> 
> 3) Is it possible to dispense with the ribbon in O-2012 altogether and
> just have the traditional look to it all - menus and popup panels?
> 
> 
> [1] Can't quite put my finger on what I mean by oddities, just that I
> have to be continually careful when doing stuff. Recently I made a
> change to a bar chart and all the bars suddenly became wafer thin and
> barely visible. And if I'm typing text into a spreadsheet cell, I can't
> use the arrow keys to back up in that text. Etc.

It's Office 2011, and I've gotten used to it. I use Word and Excel every 
day. The Mac Excel is slightly impaired in features compared to the Win 
version, but fortunately I don't use those features. You have the option 
of not using the ribbon, however I've gotten used to it now. Overall my 
experience is decent with 2011 version and if you check on ebay you can 
probably save yourself some money on a brand new sealed one. If you want 
Outlook you will have to get the "business" version.
-- 
Good judgment results from experience, and experience results from bad judgment.

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#19082

In article
<replytome-754684.17332630102013@news.eternal-september.org>, Suze
<replytome@thenewsgroup.com> wrote:

> In article <301020131221011083%timstreater@greenbee.net>,
>  Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> wrote:
> 
> > Office 2008 in use here, doesn't seem too bad but there are some
> > oddities [1] about it. Had considered going to Office 2012, but:
> > 
> > 1) Are there fewer odd things than in O-2008?
> > 
> > 2) Do people find they get used to this new-fangled ribbon or does it
> > continue to be a monstrosity?
> > 
> > 3) Is it possible to dispense with the ribbon in O-2012 altogether and
> > just have the traditional look to it all - menus and popup panels?
> > 
> > 
> > [1] Can't quite put my finger on what I mean by oddities, just that I
> > have to be continually careful when doing stuff. Recently I made a
> > change to a bar chart and all the bars suddenly became wafer thin and
> > barely visible. And if I'm typing text into a spreadsheet cell, I can't
> > use the arrow keys to back up in that text. Etc.
> 
> It's Office 2011, and I've gotten used to it. I use Word and Excel every 
> day. The Mac Excel is slightly impaired in features compared to the Win 
> version, but fortunately I don't use those features. You have the option 
> of not using the ribbon, however I've gotten used to it now. Overall my 
> experience is decent with 2011 version and if you check on ebay you can 
> probably save yourself some money on a brand new sealed one. If you want 
> Outlook you will have to get the "business" version.

Thanks for that. And no I don't want Outlook, I wrote my own email
client instead.

-- 
Tim

"That excessive bail ought not to be required, nor excessive fines imposed,
nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted"  --  Bill of Rights 1689

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