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  Another Preview Question Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2013-11-25 14:58 -0800
    Re: Another Preview Question me@home.spamsucks.ca (Király) - 2013-11-25 23:51 +0000
      Re: Another Preview Question Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-11-26 07:07 +0000
        Re: Another Preview Question Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2013-11-26 00:56 -0800
        Re: Another Preview Question Philo D <doozy@earthling.net.invalid> - 2013-11-26 06:24 -0700
          Re: Another Preview Question Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2013-11-26 07:47 -0800
          Re: Another Preview Question jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-11-27 14:57 +1300
            Re: Another Preview Question Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2013-11-26 18:21 -0800
          Re: Another Preview Question Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-11-27 18:59 +1300
            Re: Another Preview Question Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2013-11-27 01:00 -0800
              Re: Another Preview Question JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2013-11-27 04:08 -0500
                Re: Another Preview Question jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-11-27 23:21 +1300
            Re: Another Preview Question Doug Anderson <ethelthelogremovethis@gmail.com> - 2013-11-27 11:34 -0800
              Re: Another Preview Question Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-11-28 08:53 +1300
                Re: Another Preview Question Doug Anderson <ethelthelogremovethis@gmail.com> - 2013-11-27 11:59 -0800
                  Re: Another Preview Question Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-11-28 13:13 +1300
                  Re: Another Preview Question jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-11-28 16:24 +1300
                Re: Another Preview Question Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2013-11-27 23:20 +0000
                  Re: Another Preview Question Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-11-28 13:10 +1300
                    Re: Another Preview Question nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2013-11-27 19:19 -0500
                Re: Another Preview Question Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> - 2013-11-28 17:29 +0000
                  Re: Another Preview Question Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> - 2013-11-30 19:37 -0800
              Re: Another Preview Question Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2013-11-27 21:33 +0000
        Re: Another Preview Question Michelle Steiner <foo@bar.com> - 2013-11-26 07:24 -0700
          Re: Another Preview Question jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-11-27 14:57 +1300
            Re: Another Preview Question Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2013-11-26 18:18 -0800
            Re: Another Preview Question Michelle Steiner <foo@bar.com> - 2013-11-26 21:12 -0700
              Re: Another Preview Question jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-11-27 23:19 +1300
                Re: Another Preview Question Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2013-11-27 07:41 -0700
              Re: Another Preview Question me@home.spamsucks.ca (Kiraly) - 2013-11-27 19:54 +0000
                Re: Another Preview Question Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2013-11-27 13:51 -0700
                  Re: Another Preview Question Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2013-11-27 14:40 -0800
                    Re: Another Preview Question Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2013-11-27 23:22 +0000
                      Re: Another Preview Question JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2013-11-27 18:52 -0500
                      Re: Another Preview Question me@home.spamsucks.ca (Király) - 2013-11-28 05:17 +0000
                        Re: Another Preview Question Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-11-28 19:17 +1300
                          Re: Another Preview Question jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-11-28 21:34 +1300
                        Re: Another Preview Question Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2013-11-28 08:18 +0000
                          Re: Another Preview Question jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-11-28 21:38 +1300
                            Re: Another Preview Question Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2013-11-28 14:32 +0000
                              Re: Another Preview Question jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-11-29 11:45 +1300
                            Re: Another Preview Question Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-11-29 09:24 +1300
                              Re: Another Preview Question nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2013-11-28 15:31 -0500
                                Re: Another Preview Question Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2013-11-28 20:50 +0000
                                  Re: Another Preview Question gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2013-11-28 13:39 -0800
                                    Re: Another Preview Question JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2013-11-28 18:47 -0500
                                      Re: Another Preview Question Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-11-29 18:33 +1300
                                  Re: Another Preview Question jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-11-29 11:53 +1300
                                    Re: Another Preview Question Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2013-12-01 09:55 -0500
                                      Re: Another Preview Question nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2013-12-01 15:05 -0500
                                  Re: Another Preview Question nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2013-11-28 21:19 -0500
                                Re: Another Preview Question gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2013-11-28 13:39 -0800
                              Re: Another Preview Question gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2013-11-28 13:39 -0800
                                Re: Another Preview Question Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-11-29 18:16 +1300
                              Re: Another Preview Question jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-11-29 11:53 +1300
                                Re: Another Preview Question Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2013-11-28 23:09 +0000
                                  Re: Another Preview Question jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-11-29 15:41 +1300
                                    Re: Another Preview Question Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-11-29 18:24 +1300
                                      Re: Another Preview Question jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-11-29 20:03 +1300
                                    Re: Another Preview Question jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-11-29 20:03 +1300
                                Re: Another Preview Question Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2013-11-28 23:36 +0000
                          Re: Another Preview Question Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-11-29 09:23 +1300
                Re: Another Preview Question JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2013-11-27 17:21 -0500
                  Re: Another Preview Question Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2013-11-27 14:44 -0800
                    Re: Another Preview Question JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2013-11-27 18:21 -0500
                      Re: Another Preview Question jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-11-28 16:24 +1300
                        Re: Another Preview Question Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-11-28 18:10 +1300
                          Re: Another Preview Question nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2013-11-28 03:01 -0500
                          Re: Another Preview Question jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-11-28 21:34 +1300
                            Re: Another Preview Question Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-11-29 09:21 +1300
                              Re: Another Preview Question jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-11-29 11:53 +1300
                                Re: Another Preview Question Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-11-29 18:14 +1300
                                  Re: Another Preview Question jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-11-29 20:03 +1300
                                    Re: Another Preview Question Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-11-30 09:38 +1300
                      Re: Another Preview Question Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2013-11-29 08:14 +0100
                Re: Another Preview Question Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-11-28 13:17 +1300
                Re: Another Preview Question Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-11-28 01:12 +0000
                  Re: Another Preview Question me@home.spamsucks.ca (Kiraly) - 2013-11-28 23:53 +0000
                    Re: Another Preview Question Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2013-11-29 08:08 +0100
    Re: Another Preview Question Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-11-26 13:21 +1300
      Re: Another Preview Question Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2013-11-25 18:12 -0800
        Re: Another Preview Question Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-11-26 16:12 +1300
        Re: Another Preview Question me@home.spamsucks.ca (Király) - 2013-11-26 14:04 +0000
          Re: Another Preview Question Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2013-11-26 07:44 -0800
            Re: Another Preview Question Michelle Steiner <foo@bar.com> - 2013-11-26 08:53 -0700
              Re: Another Preview Question Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2013-11-26 09:48 -0800
                Re: Another Preview Question Michelle Steiner <foo@bar.com> - 2013-11-26 11:01 -0700
    Re: Another Preview Question Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2013-11-26 20:51 +0100
      Re: Another Preview Question JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2013-11-26 15:15 -0500
        Re: Another Preview Question <henry@att.net> - 2013-11-26 12:35 -0800
          Re: Another Preview Question Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2013-11-26 14:15 -0800
            Re: Another Preview Question Joe Di Domenico <joedid@invalid.com> - 2013-11-26 18:14 -0500
              Re: Another Preview Question Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2013-11-26 18:07 -0800
            Re: Another Preview Question dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2013-11-27 12:21 +1300
              Re: Another Preview Question Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2013-11-26 18:16 -0800
                Re: Another Preview Question dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2013-11-28 13:45 +1300

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#19731

In article <1ld3hzf.pvs8knvv7ejtN%jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz>, Jamie
Kahn Genet <jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz> wrote:

> Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:
> 
> > In article <1ld2enk.xfqdrga0d88yN%jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz>, Jamie
> > Kahn Genet <jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz> wrote:
> > > Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> wrote:
> > > > In article <l76jls$4u2$1@dont-email.me>, Király <me@home.spamsucks.ca>
> > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > In comp.sys.mac.system Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> wrote:
> > > > > > Form and function climaxed at the Mighty Mouse.
> > > > > 
> > > > > That's not saying much. Apple's mouse offerings have always been
> > > > > rather
> > > > > awful.
> > > > 
> > > > The pea ball on the top of the Mighty Mouse might look stupid but it
> > > > allows me to scroll a doc in both directions while moving the mouse
> > > > around. Most handy for a window that's in the background while I work
> > > > on a foreground window - such as typing into it while being able to
> > > > scroll the other one without this focus follows mouse rubbish which
> > > > would prevent me from doing that.
> > > 
> > > It's less efficient (till the scroll ball gets clogged with dust,
> > > anyway), but my Logitech g500s' scrollwheel pivots from side to side to
> > > scroll horizontally, and never gets stuffed up by dust and debris.
> > 
> > I never came across anyone I work with with a Mighty Mouse that ever
> > had issues with the scrollball getting clogged up ... you should clean
> > your desk more often.   ;-)
> 
> Happened to me, my mum, my nana (both pretty tidy folk), and numerous
> other users - in fact, without exception - every single mighty mouse
> user I personally know.

Oh they certainly get clogged up. Infrequently enough, however, to make
using them well worth it.

-- 
Tim

"That excessive bail ought not to be required, nor excessive fines imposed,
nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted"  --  Bill of Rights 1689

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#19715

In article <281120130818265186%timstreater@greenbee.net>, Tim Streater
<timstreater@greenbee.net> wrote:
> In article <l76jls$4u2$1@dont-email.me>, Kirˆ°ly <me@home.spamsucks.ca>
> wrote:
> > In comp.sys.mac.system Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> wrote:
> > > Form and function climaxed at the Mighty Mouse.
> > 
> > That's not saying much. Apple's mouse offerings have always been rather 
> > awful.
> 
> The pea ball on the top of the Mighty Mouse might look stupid but it
> allows me to scroll a doc in both directions while moving the mouse
> around. Most handy for a window that's in the background while I work
> on a foreground window - such as typing into it while being able to
> scroll the other one without this focus follows mouse rubbish which
> would prevent me from doing that.

I'm not sure that should work, but assuming it does the same should
still work with the Magic Mouse and the Magic Touchpad.

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#19660

On 13-11-27 14:54, Kiraly wrote:

> The ability to move an image around with the mouse. Click and drag is 
> how this was always done by using the hand drag tool. That tool was 
> removed and we can't click and drag an image anymore. Now we have to 
> click and drag the scroll bars to move the image.

Would Preview.App taken from Snow Leopard work in Maveriks ?

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#19662

On 2013-11-27 22:21:14 +0000, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> said:

> On 13-11-27 14:54, Kiraly wrote:
> 
>> The ability to move an image around with the mouse. Click and drag is
>> how this was always done by using the hand drag tool. That tool was
>> removed and we can't click and drag an image anymore. Now we have to
>> click and drag the scroll bars to move the image.
> 
> Would Preview.App taken from Snow Leopard work in Maveriks ?

Hmmm??

-- 
Regards,

Savageduck

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#19664

On 13-11-27 17:44, Savageduck wrote:
>
>> Would Preview.App taken from Snow Leopard work in Maveriks ?
> 
> Hmmm??


Preview.app in snow leopard has the ability to use the "Hand" to drag
content too bit to fit in a window.

So, if you were to take that "file" (a bundle/folder full of files) and
put it in the Applications folder in Maveriks, would it work ? And if
so, you would then have the ability to use the hand which is missing
from the Maveriks version.

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#19675

JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote:

> On 13-11-27 17:44, Savageduck wrote:
> >
> >> Would Preview.App taken from Snow Leopard work in Maveriks ?
> > 
> > Hmmm??
> 
> 
> Preview.app in snow leopard has the ability to use the "Hand" to drag
> content too bit to fit in a window.
> 
> So, if you were to take that "file" (a bundle/folder full of files) and
> put it in the Applications folder in Maveriks, would it work ? And if
> so, you would then have the ability to use the hand which is missing
> from the Maveriks version.

This kind of thing often used to work in classic MacOS, but nowadays
almost all Apple apps require other parts of the OS to work, and if
they're not present or are changed, then it's not going to work.
-- 
If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.

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#19676

In article <1ld201t.1x6gyf8pl0m0tN%jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz>, Jamie
Kahn Genet <jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz> wrote:
> JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote:
> > On 13-11-27 17:44, Savageduck wrote:
> > >
> > >> Would Preview.App taken from Snow Leopard work in Maveriks ?
> > > 
> > > Hmmm??
> > 
> > Preview.app in snow leopard has the ability to use the "Hand" to drag
> > content too bit to fit in a window.
> > 
> > So, if you were to take that "file" (a bundle/folder full of files) and
> > put it in the Applications folder in Maveriks, would it work ? And if
> > so, you would then have the ability to use the hand which is missing
> > from the Maveriks version.
> 
> This kind of thing often used to work in classic MacOS, but nowadays
> almost all Apple apps require other parts of the OS to work, and if
> they're not present or are changed, then it's not going to work.

It didn't always work in classic Mac OS either. For example, the game
Lemmings played fine in early versions, but at some point Apple made
changes to the OS and the game lost it's ability to play any of the
sounds.

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#19683

In article <281120131810505459%YourName@YourISP.com>, Your Name
<YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:

> It didn't always work in classic Mac OS either. For example, the game
> Lemmings played fine in early versions, but at some point Apple made
> changes to the OS and the game lost it's ability to play any of the
> sounds.

lemmings worked in classic under os x, and on hardware that was worlds
different than what existed when lemmings was originally released.

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#19691

Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:

> In article <1ld201t.1x6gyf8pl0m0tN%jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz>, Jamie
> Kahn Genet <jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz> wrote:
> > JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote:
> > > On 13-11-27 17:44, Savageduck wrote:
> > > >
> > > >> Would Preview.App taken from Snow Leopard work in Maveriks ?
> > > > 
> > > > Hmmm??
> > > 
> > > Preview.app in snow leopard has the ability to use the "Hand" to drag
> > > content too bit to fit in a window.
> > > 
> > > So, if you were to take that "file" (a bundle/folder full of files) and
> > > put it in the Applications folder in Maveriks, would it work ? And if
> > > so, you would then have the ability to use the hand which is missing
> > > from the Maveriks version.
> > 
> > This kind of thing often used to work in classic MacOS, but nowadays
> > almost all Apple apps require other parts of the OS to work, and if
> > they're not present or are changed, then it's not going to work.
> 
> It didn't always work in classic Mac OS either. For example, the game
> Lemmings played fine in early versions, but at some point Apple made
> changes to the OS and the game lost it's ability to play any of the
> sounds.

I was referring to actual Apple made apps and applets bundled into the
OS, not apps that just work on Macs. Though there was a fix for Lemmings
that enabled sound on MacOS up to 8.6 (and possibly 9, but I never tried
it under 9).
-- 
If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.

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#19713

In article <1ld2efw.18f6tgu1bh38l9N%jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz>, Jamie
Kahn Genet <jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz> wrote:

> Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:
> 
> > In article <1ld201t.1x6gyf8pl0m0tN%jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz>, Jamie
> > Kahn Genet <jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz> wrote:
> > > JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote:
> > > > On 13-11-27 17:44, Savageduck wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >> Would Preview.App taken from Snow Leopard work in Maveriks ?
> > > > > 
> > > > > Hmmm??
> > > > 
> > > > Preview.app in snow leopard has the ability to use the "Hand" to drag
> > > > content too bit to fit in a window.
> > > > 
> > > > So, if you were to take that "file" (a bundle/folder full of files) and
> > > > put it in the Applications folder in Maveriks, would it work ? And if
> > > > so, you would then have the ability to use the hand which is missing
> > > > from the Maveriks version.
> > > 
> > > This kind of thing often used to work in classic MacOS, but nowadays
> > > almost all Apple apps require other parts of the OS to work, and if
> > > they're not present or are changed, then it's not going to work.
> > 
> > It didn't always work in classic Mac OS either. For example, the game
> > Lemmings played fine in early versions, but at some point Apple made
> > changes to the OS and the game lost it's ability to play any of the
> > sounds.
> 
> I was referring to actual Apple made apps and applets bundled into the
> OS, not apps that just work on Macs. Though there was a fix for Lemmings
> that enabled sound on MacOS up to 8.6 (and possibly 9, but I never tried
> it under 9).

It doesn't really matter who made the application, Lemming was just an
example. An old Apple application that played sound using the same
method as Lemmings would also fail on the newer operating system. When
Apple removes something from the OS, it afects all of the old
applications that relied on that particular system resource.

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#19727

Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:

> In article <1ld2efw.18f6tgu1bh38l9N%jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz>, Jamie
> Kahn Genet <jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz> wrote:
> 
> > Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:
> > 
> > > In article <1ld201t.1x6gyf8pl0m0tN%jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz>, Jamie
> > > Kahn Genet <jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz> wrote:
> > > > JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote:
> > > > > On 13-11-27 17:44, Savageduck wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > >> Would Preview.App taken from Snow Leopard work in Maveriks ?
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Hmmm??
> > > > > 
> > > > > Preview.app in snow leopard has the ability to use the "Hand" to drag
> > > > > content too bit to fit in a window.
> > > > > 
> > > > > So, if you were to take that "file" (a bundle/folder full of
> > > > > files) and put it in the Applications folder in Maveriks, would it
> > > > > work ? And if so, you would then have the ability to use the hand
> > > > > which is missing from the Maveriks version.
> > > > 
> > > > This kind of thing often used to work in classic MacOS, but nowadays
> > > > almost all Apple apps require other parts of the OS to work, and if
> > > > they're not present or are changed, then it's not going to work.
> > > 
> > > It didn't always work in classic Mac OS either. For example, the game
> > > Lemmings played fine in early versions, but at some point Apple made
> > > changes to the OS and the game lost it's ability to play any of the
> > > sounds.
> > 
> > I was referring to actual Apple made apps and applets bundled into the
> > OS, not apps that just work on Macs. Though there was a fix for Lemmings
> > that enabled sound on MacOS up to 8.6 (and possibly 9, but I never tried
> > it under 9).
> 
> It doesn't really matter who made the application, Lemming was just an
> example. An old Apple application that played sound using the same
> method as Lemmings would also fail on the newer operating system. When
> Apple removes something from the OS, it afects all of the old
> applications that relied on that particular system resource.

Yeah but I was talking about parts of System 7.1 working in 7.6 and
parts of 8 working in 8.6. Not apps like AppleWorks or Filemaker, but
the apps/applets/control panels/extensions that were part of the system
in classic days. I wish I could remember some examples... it's been so
long. But I recall mixing and matching parts of the older system
software fairly often for various reasons, throughout my years of
classic MacOS use.

-- 
If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.

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#19736

In article <1ld3i3l.nt49zj1sbf2bvN%jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz>, Jamie
Kahn Genet <jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz> wrote:
> Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:
> > In article <1ld2efw.18f6tgu1bh38l9N%jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz>, Jamie
> > Kahn Genet <jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz> wrote:
> > > Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:
> > > > In article <1ld201t.1x6gyf8pl0m0tN%jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz>, Jamie
> > > > Kahn Genet <jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz> wrote:
> > > > > JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote:
> > > > > > On 13-11-27 17:44, Savageduck wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >> Would Preview.App taken from Snow Leopard work in Maveriks ?
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > Hmmm??
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Preview.app in snow leopard has the ability to use the "Hand" to
> > > > > > drag
> > > > > > content too bit to fit in a window.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > So, if you were to take that "file" (a bundle/folder full of
> > > > > > files) and put it in the Applications folder in Maveriks, would it
> > > > > > work ? And if so, you would then have the ability to use the hand
> > > > > > which is missing from the Maveriks version.
> > > > > 
> > > > > This kind of thing often used to work in classic MacOS, but nowadays
> > > > > almost all Apple apps require other parts of the OS to work, and if
> > > > > they're not present or are changed, then it's not going to work.
> > > > 
> > > > It didn't always work in classic Mac OS either. For example, the game
> > > > Lemmings played fine in early versions, but at some point Apple made
> > > > changes to the OS and the game lost it's ability to play any of the
> > > > sounds.
> > > 
> > > I was referring to actual Apple made apps and applets bundled into the
> > > OS, not apps that just work on Macs. Though there was a fix for Lemmings
> > > that enabled sound on MacOS up to 8.6 (and possibly 9, but I never tried
> > > it under 9).
> > 
> > It doesn't really matter who made the application, Lemming was just an
> > example. An old Apple application that played sound using the same
> > method as Lemmings would also fail on the newer operating system. When
> > Apple removes something from the OS, it afects all of the old
> > applications that relied on that particular system resource.
> 
> Yeah but I was talking about parts of System 7.1 working in 7.6 and
> parts of 8 working in 8.6. Not apps like AppleWorks or Filemaker, but
> the apps/applets/control panels/extensions that were part of the system
> in classic days. I wish I could remember some examples... it's been so
> long. But I recall mixing and matching parts of the older system
> software fairly often for various reasons, throughout my years of
> classic MacOS use.

You can still do that with Mac OS X. For example, when I upgrade this
computer to Mac OS X 8.2, the new calculator was hopelessly slow to
open up, so I dragged the old calculator from the backup copy of Mac OS
X 10.1 and it works fine.

Problems occur when Apple makes major changes to parts of the operating
system which an old application relies on - that happened in classic
and Mac OS X, as well as Windows and any other operating system. The
obvious example is commercial games of course, which quite often fall
over trying to run on a newer operating system.

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#19742

Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:

> In article <1ld3i3l.nt49zj1sbf2bvN%jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz>, Jamie
> Kahn Genet <jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz> wrote:
> > Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:
> > > In article <1ld2efw.18f6tgu1bh38l9N%jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz>, Jamie
> > > Kahn Genet <jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz> wrote:
> > > > Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:
> > > > > In article <1ld201t.1x6gyf8pl0m0tN%jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz>, Jamie
> > > > > Kahn Genet <jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz> wrote:
> > > > > > JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote:
> > > > > > > On 13-11-27 17:44, Savageduck wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >> Would Preview.App taken from Snow Leopard work in Maveriks ?
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > Hmmm??
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > Preview.app in snow leopard has the ability to use the "Hand" to
> > > > > > > drag
> > > > > > > content too bit to fit in a window.
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > So, if you were to take that "file" (a bundle/folder full of
> > > > > > > files) and put it in the Applications folder in Maveriks, would it
> > > > > > > work ? And if so, you would then have the ability to use the hand
> > > > > > > which is missing from the Maveriks version.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > This kind of thing often used to work in classic MacOS, but nowadays
> > > > > > almost all Apple apps require other parts of the OS to work, and if
> > > > > > they're not present or are changed, then it's not going to work.
> > > > > 
> > > > > It didn't always work in classic Mac OS either. For example, the game
> > > > > Lemmings played fine in early versions, but at some point Apple made
> > > > > changes to the OS and the game lost it's ability to play any of the
> > > > > sounds.
> > > > 
> > > > I was referring to actual Apple made apps and applets bundled into the
> > > > OS, not apps that just work on Macs. Though there was a fix for Lemmings
> > > > that enabled sound on MacOS up to 8.6 (and possibly 9, but I never tried
> > > > it under 9).
> > > 
> > > It doesn't really matter who made the application, Lemming was just an
> > > example. An old Apple application that played sound using the same
> > > method as Lemmings would also fail on the newer operating system. When
> > > Apple removes something from the OS, it afects all of the old
> > > applications that relied on that particular system resource.
> > 
> > Yeah but I was talking about parts of System 7.1 working in 7.6 and
> > parts of 8 working in 8.6. Not apps like AppleWorks or Filemaker, but
> > the apps/applets/control panels/extensions that were part of the system
> > in classic days. I wish I could remember some examples... it's been so
> > long. But I recall mixing and matching parts of the older system
> > software fairly often for various reasons, throughout my years of
> > classic MacOS use.
> 
> You can still do that with Mac OS X. For example, when I upgrade this
> computer to Mac OS X 8.2, the new calculator was hopelessly slow to
> open up, so I dragged the old calculator from the backup copy of Mac OS
> X 10.1 and it works fine.
> 
> Problems occur when Apple makes major changes to parts of the operating
> system which an old application relies on - that happened in classic
> and Mac OS X, as well as Windows and any other operating system. The
> obvious example is commercial games of course, which quite often fall
> over trying to run on a newer operating system.

Well I'm guessing the calculator app doesn't call many rapidly updated
libraries and APIs. But Safari OTOH...

Still - I did not know that about Calculator - interesting! :-)
-- 
If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.

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#19753

In article <1ld44zu.1haj7pr1taxy5xN%jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz>, Jamie
Kahn Genet <jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz> wrote:
> Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:
> > In article <1ld3i3l.nt49zj1sbf2bvN%jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz>, Jamie
> > Kahn Genet <jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz> wrote:
> > > Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:
> > > > In article <1ld2efw.18f6tgu1bh38l9N%jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz>, Jamie
> > > > Kahn Genet <jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz> wrote:
> > > > > Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:
> > > > > > In article <1ld201t.1x6gyf8pl0m0tN%jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz>,
> > > > > > Jamie
> > > > > > Kahn Genet <jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz> wrote:
> > > > > > > JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote:
> > > > > > > > On 13-11-27 17:44, Savageduck wrote:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >> Would Preview.App taken from Snow Leopard work in Maveriks ?
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > Hmmm??
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > Preview.app in snow leopard has the ability to use the "Hand" to
> > > > > > > > drag
> > > > > > > > content too bit to fit in a window.
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > So, if you were to take that "file" (a bundle/folder full of
> > > > > > > > files) and put it in the Applications folder in Maveriks, would
> it
> > > > > > > > work ? And if so, you would then have the ability to use the
> hand
> > > > > > > > which is missing from the Maveriks version.
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > This kind of thing often used to work in classic MacOS, but
> > > > > > > nowadays
> > > > > > > almost all Apple apps require other parts of the OS to work, and
> > > > > > > if
> > > > > > > they're not present or are changed, then it's not going to work.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > It didn't always work in classic Mac OS either. For example, the
> > > > > > game
> > > > > > Lemmings played fine in early versions, but at some point Apple made
> > > > > > changes to the OS and the game lost it's ability to play any of the
> > > > > > sounds.
> > > > > 
> > > > > I was referring to actual Apple made apps and applets bundled into the
> > > > > OS, not apps that just work on Macs. Though there was a fix for
> > > > > Lemmings
> > > > > that enabled sound on MacOS up to 8.6 (and possibly 9, but I never
> > > > > tried
> > > > > it under 9).
> > > > 
> > > > It doesn't really matter who made the application, Lemming was just an
> > > > example. An old Apple application that played sound using the same
> > > > method as Lemmings would also fail on the newer operating system. When
> > > > Apple removes something from the OS, it afects all of the old
> > > > applications that relied on that particular system resource.
> > > 
> > > Yeah but I was talking about parts of System 7.1 working in 7.6 and
> > > parts of 8 working in 8.6. Not apps like AppleWorks or Filemaker, but
> > > the apps/applets/control panels/extensions that were part of the system
> > > in classic days. I wish I could remember some examples... it's been so
> > > long. But I recall mixing and matching parts of the older system
> > > software fairly often for various reasons, throughout my years of
> > > classic MacOS use.
> > 
> > You can still do that with Mac OS X. For example, when I upgrade this
> > computer to Mac OS X 8.2, the new calculator was hopelessly slow to
> > open up, so I dragged the old calculator from the backup copy of Mac OS
> > X 10.1 and it works fine.
> > 
> > Problems occur when Apple makes major changes to parts of the operating
> > system which an old application relies on - that happened in classic
> > and Mac OS X, as well as Windows and any other operating system. The
> > obvious example is commercial games of course, which quite often fall
> > over trying to run on a newer operating system.
> 
> Well I'm guessing the calculator app doesn't call many rapidly updated
> libraries and APIs. But Safari OTOH...
> 
> Still - I did not know that about Calculator - interesting! :-)

The 10.1 Calculator is a nice, quick, simple function calculator for
adding / subtracting / multiplying / dividing numbers.

The 10.2 Calculator on the other hand is an rather over-bloated and
slow, with scientific and paper tape options, conversions, etc.

I keep both versions in the Applications folder (with the 10.2 one
renamed as "Calculator Scientific), but most of the time I need it is
when needing to do simple calculations, so the 10.1 version lives in
the Dock.

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#19744

JF Mezei wrote:

> On 13-11-27 17:44, Savageduck wrote:
>>
>>> Would Preview.App taken from Snow Leopard work in Maveriks ?
>> 
>> Hmmm??
>
>
> Preview.app in snow leopard has the ability to use the "Hand" to drag
> content too bit to fit in a window.
>
> So, if you were to take that "file" (a bundle/folder full of files) and
> put it in the Applications folder in Maveriks, would it work ? And if
> so, you would then have the ability to use the hand which is missing
> from the Maveriks version.

The latest update for iBooks required you to close Preview before
proceeding, so it appears that at least some libraries are shared
between the two.

Hmm, I might try the NL version of Preview later and see if it works
under 10.9.  It seems sensible to rename it to something else to avoid
conflicts in future updates of course.

-- 
Paul Sture

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#19670

In article <l75ikt$plv$1@dont-email.me>, Kiraly <me@home.spamsucks.ca>
wrote:

> In comp.sys.mac.system Michelle Steiner <foo@bar.com> wrote:
> > > So they broke it for mouse users?
> > 
> > Broke what?
> 
> The ability to move an image around with the mouse. Click and drag is 
> how this was always done by using the hand drag tool. That tool was 
> removed and we can't click and drag an image anymore. Now we have to 
> click and drag the scroll bars to move the image.

I don't know if it works, but it could be worth trying the various
modifier key combinations while clicking / dragging (for example
Option-drag, or Command-drag, or Shift-Option-drag).

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#19673

In message <l75ikt$plv$1@dont-email.me> 
  Kiraly <me@home.spamsucks.ca> wrote:
> In comp.sys.mac.system Michelle Steiner <foo@bar.com> wrote:
>> > So they broke it for mouse users?
>> 
>> Broke what?

> The ability to move an image around with the mouse. Click and drag is 
> how this was always done by using the hand drag tool. That tool was 
> removed and we can't click and drag an image anymore. Now we have to 
> click and drag the scroll bars to move the image.

I don't believe this is true, in point of fact, but I don't have a mouse
connected to my laptop to check. I still think there is a way to move
the zoomed image in preview without the scrollbars.

-- 
'Sometimes there has to be a civil war, and sometimes, afterwards, it's
best to pretend something didn't happen. Sometimes people have to do a
job, and then they have to be forgotten.' --Men at Arms

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#19733

In comp.sys.mac.system Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:
> I don't believe this is true, in point of fact, but I don't have a mouse
> connected to my laptop to check. I still think there is a way to move
> the zoomed image in preview without the scrollbars.

Nope. Two dimensional scrolling (I think the correct term is panning?) 
in which the image moves in tandem with mouse movement, is no longer 
possible in Preview.

One-dimensional scrolling is still possible by using the scroll wheel 
(up & down, or by holding shift, left & right), or by clicking and 
dragging the scroll bars. But this etch-a-skech method of moving to the 
part of the image you want is in no way a suitable replacement for the 
panning ability of the 2-D hand drag tool.

-- 
K.

Lang may your lum reek.

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#19743

Kiraly wrote:

> In comp.sys.mac.system Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:
>> I don't believe this is true, in point of fact, but I don't have a mouse
>> connected to my laptop to check. I still think there is a way to move
>> the zoomed image in preview without the scrollbars.
>
> Nope. Two dimensional scrolling (I think the correct term is panning?) 
> in which the image moves in tandem with mouse movement, is no longer 
> possible in Preview.
>
> One-dimensional scrolling is still possible by using the scroll wheel 
> (up & down, or by holding shift, left & right), or by clicking and 
> dragging the scroll bars. But this etch-a-skech method of moving to the 
> part of the image you want is in no way a suitable replacement for the 
> panning ability of the 2-D hand drag tool

I don't do much image work with Preview at the moment, so the following
applies to PDF viewing in Preview

o - no horizontal scrollbar; it's gone
o - with my Preferences settings, there is a vertical scrollbar for
     multiple page PDFs and the mouse wheel can be used to scroll up and
     down
o - with single page PDFs there is no vertical scrollbar, even when
     zoomed.
o - Page Up / Page Down allows vertical movement in a single page
     zoomed PDFs
o - the arrow keys allow moving both vertically and horizontally in
     zoomed PDFs

-- 
Paul Sture

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#19599

In article <201311251458474119-savageduck1@REMOVESPAMmecom>, Savageduck
<savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> wrote:

> With my upgrade from OSX 10.6.8 (SL) to OSX 10.9 there were some 
> conspicuous changes to Preview some of which I have been educated on 
> and I am getting used to. What I would like to know is, when did 
> Preview lose the "Move" tool, or the "hand" for navigating around a 
> document that is zoomed in on.
> 
> It has vanished and is not in the options for building a custom tool 
> bar. What happened? and are there any solutions to getting this tool 
> resurrected?
> 
> I know it is possible to navigate zoomed in image files via the scroll 
> wheel or the position sliders, but with PDFs opened in Preview even 
> that option is gone.

Assuming the PDF is bigger than the windows, then the arrow keys on the
keyboard might work, but I don't see why the scrollbars aren't there
(they are stupidly hidden these days of course).

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