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| Started by | Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> |
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| First post | 2013-11-25 14:58 -0800 |
| Last post | 2013-11-28 13:45 +1300 |
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Another Preview Question Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2013-11-25 14:58 -0800
Re: Another Preview Question me@home.spamsucks.ca (Király) - 2013-11-25 23:51 +0000
Re: Another Preview Question Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-11-26 07:07 +0000
Re: Another Preview Question Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2013-11-26 00:56 -0800
Re: Another Preview Question Philo D <doozy@earthling.net.invalid> - 2013-11-26 06:24 -0700
Re: Another Preview Question Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2013-11-26 07:47 -0800
Re: Another Preview Question jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-11-27 14:57 +1300
Re: Another Preview Question Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2013-11-26 18:21 -0800
Re: Another Preview Question Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-11-27 18:59 +1300
Re: Another Preview Question Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2013-11-27 01:00 -0800
Re: Another Preview Question JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2013-11-27 04:08 -0500
Re: Another Preview Question jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-11-27 23:21 +1300
Re: Another Preview Question Doug Anderson <ethelthelogremovethis@gmail.com> - 2013-11-27 11:34 -0800
Re: Another Preview Question Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-11-28 08:53 +1300
Re: Another Preview Question Doug Anderson <ethelthelogremovethis@gmail.com> - 2013-11-27 11:59 -0800
Re: Another Preview Question Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-11-28 13:13 +1300
Re: Another Preview Question jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-11-28 16:24 +1300
Re: Another Preview Question Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2013-11-27 23:20 +0000
Re: Another Preview Question Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-11-28 13:10 +1300
Re: Another Preview Question nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2013-11-27 19:19 -0500
Re: Another Preview Question Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> - 2013-11-28 17:29 +0000
Re: Another Preview Question Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> - 2013-11-30 19:37 -0800
Re: Another Preview Question Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2013-11-27 21:33 +0000
Re: Another Preview Question Michelle Steiner <foo@bar.com> - 2013-11-26 07:24 -0700
Re: Another Preview Question jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-11-27 14:57 +1300
Re: Another Preview Question Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2013-11-26 18:18 -0800
Re: Another Preview Question Michelle Steiner <foo@bar.com> - 2013-11-26 21:12 -0700
Re: Another Preview Question jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-11-27 23:19 +1300
Re: Another Preview Question Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2013-11-27 07:41 -0700
Re: Another Preview Question me@home.spamsucks.ca (Kiraly) - 2013-11-27 19:54 +0000
Re: Another Preview Question Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2013-11-27 13:51 -0700
Re: Another Preview Question Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2013-11-27 14:40 -0800
Re: Another Preview Question Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2013-11-27 23:22 +0000
Re: Another Preview Question JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2013-11-27 18:52 -0500
Re: Another Preview Question me@home.spamsucks.ca (Király) - 2013-11-28 05:17 +0000
Re: Another Preview Question Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-11-28 19:17 +1300
Re: Another Preview Question jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-11-28 21:34 +1300
Re: Another Preview Question Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2013-11-28 08:18 +0000
Re: Another Preview Question jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-11-28 21:38 +1300
Re: Another Preview Question Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2013-11-28 14:32 +0000
Re: Another Preview Question jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-11-29 11:45 +1300
Re: Another Preview Question Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-11-29 09:24 +1300
Re: Another Preview Question nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2013-11-28 15:31 -0500
Re: Another Preview Question Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2013-11-28 20:50 +0000
Re: Another Preview Question gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2013-11-28 13:39 -0800
Re: Another Preview Question JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2013-11-28 18:47 -0500
Re: Another Preview Question Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-11-29 18:33 +1300
Re: Another Preview Question jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-11-29 11:53 +1300
Re: Another Preview Question Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2013-12-01 09:55 -0500
Re: Another Preview Question nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2013-12-01 15:05 -0500
Re: Another Preview Question nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2013-11-28 21:19 -0500
Re: Another Preview Question gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2013-11-28 13:39 -0800
Re: Another Preview Question gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2013-11-28 13:39 -0800
Re: Another Preview Question Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-11-29 18:16 +1300
Re: Another Preview Question jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-11-29 11:53 +1300
Re: Another Preview Question Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2013-11-28 23:09 +0000
Re: Another Preview Question jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-11-29 15:41 +1300
Re: Another Preview Question Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-11-29 18:24 +1300
Re: Another Preview Question jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-11-29 20:03 +1300
Re: Another Preview Question jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-11-29 20:03 +1300
Re: Another Preview Question Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2013-11-28 23:36 +0000
Re: Another Preview Question Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-11-29 09:23 +1300
Re: Another Preview Question JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2013-11-27 17:21 -0500
Re: Another Preview Question Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2013-11-27 14:44 -0800
Re: Another Preview Question JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2013-11-27 18:21 -0500
Re: Another Preview Question jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-11-28 16:24 +1300
Re: Another Preview Question Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-11-28 18:10 +1300
Re: Another Preview Question nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2013-11-28 03:01 -0500
Re: Another Preview Question jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-11-28 21:34 +1300
Re: Another Preview Question Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-11-29 09:21 +1300
Re: Another Preview Question jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-11-29 11:53 +1300
Re: Another Preview Question Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-11-29 18:14 +1300
Re: Another Preview Question jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-11-29 20:03 +1300
Re: Another Preview Question Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-11-30 09:38 +1300
Re: Another Preview Question Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2013-11-29 08:14 +0100
Re: Another Preview Question Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-11-28 13:17 +1300
Re: Another Preview Question Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-11-28 01:12 +0000
Re: Another Preview Question me@home.spamsucks.ca (Kiraly) - 2013-11-28 23:53 +0000
Re: Another Preview Question Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2013-11-29 08:08 +0100
Re: Another Preview Question Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-11-26 13:21 +1300
Re: Another Preview Question Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2013-11-25 18:12 -0800
Re: Another Preview Question Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-11-26 16:12 +1300
Re: Another Preview Question me@home.spamsucks.ca (Király) - 2013-11-26 14:04 +0000
Re: Another Preview Question Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2013-11-26 07:44 -0800
Re: Another Preview Question Michelle Steiner <foo@bar.com> - 2013-11-26 08:53 -0700
Re: Another Preview Question Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2013-11-26 09:48 -0800
Re: Another Preview Question Michelle Steiner <foo@bar.com> - 2013-11-26 11:01 -0700
Re: Another Preview Question Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2013-11-26 20:51 +0100
Re: Another Preview Question JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2013-11-26 15:15 -0500
Re: Another Preview Question <henry@att.net> - 2013-11-26 12:35 -0800
Re: Another Preview Question Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2013-11-26 14:15 -0800
Re: Another Preview Question Joe Di Domenico <joedid@invalid.com> - 2013-11-26 18:14 -0500
Re: Another Preview Question Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2013-11-26 18:07 -0800
Re: Another Preview Question dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2013-11-27 12:21 +1300
Re: Another Preview Question Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2013-11-26 18:16 -0800
Re: Another Preview Question dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2013-11-28 13:45 +1300
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| From | Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> |
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| Date | 2013-11-25 14:58 -0800 |
| Subject | Another Preview Question |
| Message-ID | <201311251458474119-savageduck1@REMOVESPAMmecom> |
With my upgrade from OSX 10.6.8 (SL) to OSX 10.9 there were some conspicuous changes to Preview some of which I have been educated on and I am getting used to. What I would like to know is, when did Preview lose the "Move" tool, or the "hand" for navigating around a document that is zoomed in on. It has vanished and is not in the options for building a custom tool bar. What happened? and are there any solutions to getting this tool resurrected? I know it is possible to navigate zoomed in image files via the scroll wheel or the position sliders, but with PDFs opened in Preview even that option is gone. -- Regards, Savageduck
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| From | me@home.spamsucks.ca (Király) |
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| Date | 2013-11-25 23:51 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <l70nqd$o2g$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #19597 |
In comp.sys.mac.system Savageduck <savageduck1@{removespam}me.com> wrote:
> With my upgrade from OSX 10.6.8 (SL) to OSX 10.9 there were some
> conspicuous changes to Preview some of which I have been educated on
> and I am getting used to. What I would like to know is, when did
> Preview lose the "Move" tool, or the "hand" for navigating around a
> document that is zoomed in on.
It made its departure back in 10.7 or 10.8.
> It has vanished and is not in the options for building a custom tool
> bar. What happened? and are there any solutions to getting this tool
> resurrected?
Nope.
> I know it is possible to navigate zoomed in image files via the scroll
> wheel or the position sliders, but with PDFs opened in Preview even
> that option is gone.
Complain to Apple. That's what I did. It hasnt helped yet but who knows
what might happen if enough people follow suit.
http://www.apple.com/feedback/macosx.html
--
K.
Lang may your lum reek.
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| From | Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> |
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| Date | 2013-11-26 07:07 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <slrnl98i5l.nta.g.kreme@mbp55.local> |
| In reply to | #19598 |
In message <l70nqd$o2g$1@dont-email.me>
Király <me@home.spamsucks.ca> wrote:
> In comp.sys.mac.system Savageduck <savageduck1@{removespam}me.com> wrote:
>> With my upgrade from OSX 10.6.8 (SL) to OSX 10.9 there were some
>> conspicuous changes to Preview some of which I have been educated on
>> and I am getting used to. What I would like to know is, when did
>> Preview lose the "Move" tool, or the "hand" for navigating around a
>> document that is zoomed in on.
> It made its departure back in 10.7 or 10.8.
>
>> It has vanished and is not in the options for building a custom tool
>> bar. What happened? and are there any solutions to getting this tool
>> resurrected?
> Nope.
Pretty sure you can use a three-finger drag to move the content in the
preview window if the content is larger than the window.
--
"I've seen Mary Poppins over 500 times. Not by choice. It's a
compulsion known as Supercalifragilisticexpialadotia"
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| From | Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> |
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| Date | 2013-11-26 00:56 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <2013112600565999908-savageduck1@REMOVESPAMmecom> |
| In reply to | #19605 |
On 2013-11-26 07:07:32 +0000, Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> said:
> In message <l70nqd$o2g$1@dont-email.me>
> Király <me@home.spamsucks.ca> wrote:
>> In comp.sys.mac.system Savageduck <savageduck1@{removespam}me.com> wrote:
>>> With my upgrade from OSX 10.6.8 (SL) to OSX 10.9 there were some
>>> conspicuous changes to Preview some of which I have been educated on
>>> and I am getting used to. What I would like to know is, when did
>>> Preview lose the "Move" tool, or the "hand" for navigating around a
>>> document that is zoomed in on.
>
>> It made its departure back in 10.7 or 10.8.
>>
>>> It has vanished and is not in the options for building a custom tool
>>> bar. What happened? and are there any solutions to getting this tool
>>> resurrected?
>
>> Nope.
>
> Pretty sure you can use a three-finger drag to move the content in the
> preview window if the content is larger than the window.
That might be applicable if I had a touchpad.
--
Regards,
Savageduck
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| From | Philo D <doozy@earthling.net.invalid> |
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| Date | 2013-11-26 06:24 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <261120130624424736%doozy@earthling.net.invalid> |
| In reply to | #19605 |
In article <slrnl98i5l.nta.g.kreme@mbp55.local>, Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote: > Pretty sure you can use a three-finger drag to move the content in the > preview window if the content is larger than the window. But of course there is no "three-finger drag" when you are using a mouse. The mouse is gradually becoming obsolete, in favor of the touch pad.
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| From | Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> |
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| Date | 2013-11-26 07:47 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <2013112607475592834-savageduck1@REMOVESPAMmecom> |
| In reply to | #19608 |
On 2013-11-26 13:24:42 +0000, Philo D <doozy@earthling.net.invalid> said: > In article <slrnl98i5l.nta.g.kreme@mbp55.local>, Lewis > <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote: > >> Pretty sure you can use a three-finger drag to move the content in the >> preview window if the content is larger than the window. > > But of course there is no "three-finger drag" when you are using a > mouse. The mouse is gradually becoming obsolete, in favor of the touch > pad. I ditched the mouse years ago for an MS Trackball optical and a Wacom Intuos 4. -- Regards, Savageduck
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| From | jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) |
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| Date | 2013-11-27 14:57 +1300 |
| Message-ID | <1ld01dk.16v4nzbz8svutN%jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz> |
| In reply to | #19608 |
Philo D <doozy@earthling.net.invalid> wrote: > In article <slrnl98i5l.nta.g.kreme@mbp55.local>, Lewis > <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote: > > > Pretty sure you can use a three-finger drag to move the content in the > > preview window if the content is larger than the window. > > But of course there is no "three-finger drag" when you are using a > mouse. The mouse is gradually becoming obsolete, in favor of the touch > pad. Not here it isn't. Apple are sorely mistaken if they ever plan on me being less efficient with a touchpad, as I am when using one. And yeah - I've used every one they've ever made (and a few others too) since the PowerBook first introduced them to laptops. -- If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.
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| From | Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> |
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| Date | 2013-11-26 18:21 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <2013112618215512613-savageduck1@REMOVESPAMmecom> |
| In reply to | #19628 |
On 2013-11-27 01:57:45 +0000, jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) said: > Philo D <doozy@earthling.net.invalid> wrote: > >> In article <slrnl98i5l.nta.g.kreme@mbp55.local>, Lewis >> <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote: >> >>> Pretty sure you can use a three-finger drag to move the content in the >>> preview window if the content is larger than the window. >> >> But of course there is no "three-finger drag" when you are using a >> mouse. The mouse is gradually becoming obsolete, in favor of the touch >> pad. > > Not here it isn't. Apple are sorely mistaken if they ever plan on me > being less efficient with a touchpad, as I am when using one. Agreed! > And yeah - I've used every one they've ever made (and a few others too) > since the > PowerBook first introduced them to laptops. The only implementation of the Apple touchpad in my home is on my MBP 17''. ...and it is a royal PIA. -- Regards, Savageduck
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| From | Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> |
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| Date | 2013-11-27 18:59 +1300 |
| Message-ID | <271120131859396190%YourName@YourISP.com> |
| In reply to | #19608 |
In article <261120130624424736%doozy@earthling.net.invalid>, Philo D <doozy@earthling.net.invalid> wrote: > In article <slrnl98i5l.nta.g.kreme@mbp55.local>, Lewis > <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote: > > > Pretty sure you can use a three-finger drag to move the content in the > > preview window if the content is larger than the window. > > But of course there is no "three-finger drag" when you are using a > mouse. The mouse is gradually becoming obsolete, in favor of the touch > pad. Unlikely. The trackpad is simply not accurate enough for many people.
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| From | Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> |
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| Date | 2013-11-27 01:00 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <2013112701002038151-savageduck1@REMOVESPAMmecom> |
| In reply to | #19641 |
On 2013-11-27 05:59:39 +0000, Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> said: > In article <261120130624424736%doozy@earthling.net.invalid>, Philo D > <doozy@earthling.net.invalid> wrote: >> In article <slrnl98i5l.nta.g.kreme@mbp55.local>, Lewis >> <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote: >> >>> Pretty sure you can use a three-finger drag to move the content in the >>> preview window if the content is larger than the window. >> >> But of course there is no "three-finger drag" when you are using a >> mouse. The mouse is gradually becoming obsolete, in favor of the touch >> pad. > > Unlikely. The trackpad is simply not accurate enough for many people. Yup! Hence Trackball Optic & Wacom Intuos 4 in use on this Mac. -- Regards, Savageduck
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| From | JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> |
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| Date | 2013-11-27 04:08 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <5295b698$0$22353$c3e8da3$f6268168@news.astraweb.com> |
| In reply to | #19643 |
On 13-11-27 04:00, Savageduck wrote: > Hence Trackball Optic & Wacom Intuos 4 in use on this Mac. At the end of the day, you can choose to stay on Snow Leopard to keep your way of working and peripherals. But Snow Leopard is already fairly old, not maintained, no new version of Safari etc. How much longer will you want to stay on it ? And Maveriks is likely the last version where you can upgrade directly from Snow Leopard. (unless uptake of Maveriks remains low and 1/3 of custoemrs remain on Snow Leopard) It is clear that Apple has ideological fixation on certain changes in UI, and stays the course despite 1/3 of customers refusing the "back to mac" undesirable UI changes. Because it is ideological, it is unlikely to change. It hasn't changed for Mountain Lion nor for Maveriks. At the end of the day, we will have to upgrade and re-learn how to use computers even if the new way is inferior.
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| From | jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) |
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| Date | 2013-11-27 23:21 +1300 |
| Message-ID | <1ld0oth.w5e0ev7hkibkN%jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz> |
| In reply to | #19644 |
JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote: > On 13-11-27 04:00, Savageduck wrote: > > > Hence Trackball Optic & Wacom Intuos 4 in use on this Mac. > > > At the end of the day, you can choose to stay on Snow Leopard to keep > your way of working and peripherals. > > But Snow Leopard is already fairly old, not maintained, no new version > of Safari etc. How much longer will you want to stay on it ? > > And Maveriks is likely the last version where you can upgrade directly > from Snow Leopard. (unless uptake of Maveriks remains low and 1/3 of > custoemrs remain on Snow Leopard) > > > It is clear that Apple has ideological fixation on certain changes in > UI, and stays the course despite 1/3 of customers refusing the "back to > mac" undesirable UI changes. Because it is ideological, it is unlikely > to change. It hasn't changed for Mountain Lion nor for Maveriks. > > At the end of the day, we will have to upgrade and re-learn how to use > computers even if the new way is inferior. I'm trying to work out if the above is subtle parody, or if not - how afraid I ought to be of you... -- If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.
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| From | Doug Anderson <ethelthelogremovethis@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2013-11-27 11:34 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <y1txexvdua.fsf@ethel.the.log> |
| In reply to | #19641 |
Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> writes: > In article <261120130624424736%doozy@earthling.net.invalid>, Philo D > <doozy@earthling.net.invalid> wrote: > > In article <slrnl98i5l.nta.g.kreme@mbp55.local>, Lewis > > <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote: > > > > > Pretty sure you can use a three-finger drag to move the content in the > > > preview window if the content is larger than the window. > > > > But of course there is no "three-finger drag" when you are using a > > mouse. The mouse is gradually becoming obsolete, in favor of the touch > > pad. > > Unlikely. The trackpad is simply not accurate enough for many people. Yes, this is an interesting divergence. For the sort of things I do, the trackpad is perfect and in fact much better than a mouse. But there are all kinds of graphics/gaming/etc. things that aren't part of my computing life but where a trackpad is clearly _not_ ideal all the time.
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| From | Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> |
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| Date | 2013-11-28 08:53 +1300 |
| Message-ID | <281120130853345579%YourName@YourISP.com> |
| In reply to | #19653 |
In article <y1txexvdua.fsf@ethel.the.log>, Doug Anderson <ethelthelogremovethis@gmail.com> wrote: > Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> writes: > > In article <261120130624424736%doozy@earthling.net.invalid>, Philo D > > <doozy@earthling.net.invalid> wrote: > > > In article <slrnl98i5l.nta.g.kreme@mbp55.local>, Lewis > > > <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote: > > > > > > > Pretty sure you can use a three-finger drag to move the content in the > > > > preview window if the content is larger than the window. > > > > > > But of course there is no "three-finger drag" when you are using a > > > mouse. The mouse is gradually becoming obsolete, in favor of the touch > > > pad. > > > > Unlikely. The trackpad is simply not accurate enough for many people. > > Yes, this is an interesting divergence. > > For the sort of things I do, the trackpad is perfect and in fact much > better than a mouse. > > But there are all kinds of graphics/gaming/etc. things that aren't > part of my computing life but where a trackpad is clearly _not_ ideal > all the time. There is a potential problem here though. Apple itself does have a nasty tendency to assume it knows what is best and gets rid of things even though many people still use them - floppy drives, optical drives, software features, etc. It is possibly that Apple will decide that they think the mouse is no longer needed, but third-party makers will at least still be selling them for quite a while after that.
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| From | Doug Anderson <ethelthelogremovethis@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2013-11-27 11:59 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <7kob55vco2.fsf@ethel.the.log> |
| In reply to | #19654 |
Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> writes: > In article <y1txexvdua.fsf@ethel.the.log>, Doug Anderson > <ethelthelogremovethis@gmail.com> wrote: > > Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> writes: > > > In article <261120130624424736%doozy@earthling.net.invalid>, Philo D > > > <doozy@earthling.net.invalid> wrote: > > > > In article <slrnl98i5l.nta.g.kreme@mbp55.local>, Lewis > > > > <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Pretty sure you can use a three-finger drag to move the content in the > > > > > preview window if the content is larger than the window. > > > > > > > > But of course there is no "three-finger drag" when you are using a > > > > mouse. The mouse is gradually becoming obsolete, in favor of the touch > > > > pad. > > > > > > Unlikely. The trackpad is simply not accurate enough for many people. > > > > Yes, this is an interesting divergence. > > > > For the sort of things I do, the trackpad is perfect and in fact much > > better than a mouse. > > > > But there are all kinds of graphics/gaming/etc. things that aren't > > part of my computing life but where a trackpad is clearly _not_ ideal > > all the time. > > There is a potential problem here though. Apple itself does have a > nasty tendency to assume it knows what is best and gets rid of things > even though many people still use them - floppy drives, optical drives, > software features, etc. It is possibly that Apple will decide that they > think the mouse is no longer needed, but third-party makers will at > least still be selling them for quite a while after that. I have to say, I can't really see the problem here. If people want mice (and I imagine many people will continue to want something other than the pointing devices Apple manufactures, for many reasons) then manufacturers will keep making them. The only problem that might arise is if Apple decided to do away with any means of supporting peripherals other than their own. That seems extremely unlikely and not in consonance with any historical Apple practices.
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| From | Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> |
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| Date | 2013-11-28 13:13 +1300 |
| Message-ID | <281120131313320444%YourName@YourISP.com> |
| In reply to | #19656 |
In article <7kob55vco2.fsf@ethel.the.log>, Doug Anderson <ethelthelogremovethis@gmail.com> wrote: > Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> writes: > > > In article <y1txexvdua.fsf@ethel.the.log>, Doug Anderson > > <ethelthelogremovethis@gmail.com> wrote: > > > Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> writes: > > > > In article <261120130624424736%doozy@earthling.net.invalid>, Philo D > > > > <doozy@earthling.net.invalid> wrote: > > > > > In article <slrnl98i5l.nta.g.kreme@mbp55.local>, Lewis > > > > > <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Pretty sure you can use a three-finger drag to move the content in > > > > > > the > > > > > > preview window if the content is larger than the window. > > > > > > > > > > But of course there is no "three-finger drag" when you are using a > > > > > mouse. The mouse is gradually becoming obsolete, in favor of the > > > > > touch > > > > > pad. > > > > > > > > Unlikely. The trackpad is simply not accurate enough for many people. > > > > > > Yes, this is an interesting divergence. > > > > > > For the sort of things I do, the trackpad is perfect and in fact much > > > better than a mouse. > > > > > > But there are all kinds of graphics/gaming/etc. things that aren't > > > part of my computing life but where a trackpad is clearly _not_ ideal > > > all the time. > > > > There is a potential problem here though. Apple itself does have a > > nasty tendency to assume it knows what is best and gets rid of things > > even though many people still use them - floppy drives, optical drives, > > software features, etc. It is possibly that Apple will decide that they > > think the mouse is no longer needed, but third-party makers will at > > least still be selling them for quite a while after that. > > I have to say, I can't really see the problem here. > > If people want mice (and I imagine many people will continue to want > something other than the pointing devices Apple manufactures, for many > reasons) then manufacturers will keep making them. > > The only problem that might arise is if Apple decided to do away with > any means of supporting peripherals other than their own. That seems > extremely unlikely and not in consonance with any historical Apple > practices. Yep, as I said above, thrid-party makers will still be selling them for a while. Even if the Mac OS stopped supporting them, some manufacturers would likely create their own driver software for a while.
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| From | jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) |
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| Date | 2013-11-28 16:24 +1300 |
| Message-ID | <1ld1zvo.1vdpslzu4a7daN%jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz> |
| In reply to | #19656 |
Doug Anderson <ethelthelogremovethis@gmail.com> wrote: > Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> writes: > > > In article <y1txexvdua.fsf@ethel.the.log>, Doug Anderson > > <ethelthelogremovethis@gmail.com> wrote: > > > Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> writes: > > > > In article <261120130624424736%doozy@earthling.net.invalid>, Philo D > > > > <doozy@earthling.net.invalid> wrote: > > > > > In article <slrnl98i5l.nta.g.kreme@mbp55.local>, Lewis > > > > > <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Pretty sure you can use a three-finger drag to move the content > > > > > > in the preview window if the content is larger than the window. > > > > > > > > > > But of course there is no "three-finger drag" when you are using a > > > > > mouse. The mouse is gradually becoming obsolete, in favor of the > > > > > touch pad. > > > > > > > > Unlikely. The trackpad is simply not accurate enough for many people. > > > > > > Yes, this is an interesting divergence. > > > > > > For the sort of things I do, the trackpad is perfect and in fact much > > > better than a mouse. > > > > > > But there are all kinds of graphics/gaming/etc. things that aren't > > > part of my computing life but where a trackpad is clearly _not_ ideal > > > all the time. > > > > There is a potential problem here though. Apple itself does have a > > nasty tendency to assume it knows what is best and gets rid of things > > even though many people still use them - floppy drives, optical drives, > > software features, etc. It is possibly that Apple will decide that they > > think the mouse is no longer needed, but third-party makers will at > > least still be selling them for quite a while after that. > > I have to say, I can't really see the problem here. > > If people want mice (and I imagine many people will continue to want > something other than the pointing devices Apple manufactures, for many > reasons) then manufacturers will keep making them. > > The only problem that might arise is if Apple decided to do away with > any means of supporting peripherals other than their own. That seems > extremely unlikely and not in consonance with any historical Apple > practices. The problem is when Apple removes or fails to implement mouse and keyboard friendly alternatives to trackpad gestures. Not that Apple won't allow mouse input in the future. -- If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.
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| From | Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> |
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| Date | 2013-11-27 23:20 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <271120132320157731%timstreater@greenbee.net> |
| In reply to | #19654 |
In article <281120130853345579%YourName@YourISP.com>, Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote: > In article <y1txexvdua.fsf@ethel.the.log>, Doug Anderson > <ethelthelogremovethis@gmail.com> wrote: > > Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> writes: > > > In article <261120130624424736%doozy@earthling.net.invalid>, Philo D > > > <doozy@earthling.net.invalid> wrote: > > > > In article <slrnl98i5l.nta.g.kreme@mbp55.local>, Lewis > > > > <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Pretty sure you can use a three-finger drag to move the content in the > > > > > preview window if the content is larger than the window. > > > > > > > > But of course there is no "three-finger drag" when you are using a > > > > mouse. The mouse is gradually becoming obsolete, in favor of the touch > > > > pad. > > > > > > Unlikely. The trackpad is simply not accurate enough for many people. > > > > Yes, this is an interesting divergence. > > > > For the sort of things I do, the trackpad is perfect and in fact much > > better than a mouse. > > > > But there are all kinds of graphics/gaming/etc. things that aren't > > part of my computing life but where a trackpad is clearly _not_ ideal > > all the time. > > There is a potential problem here though. Apple itself does have a > nasty tendency to assume it knows what is best and gets rid of things > even though many people still use them - floppy drives, optical drives, > software features, etc. It is possibly that Apple will decide that they > think the mouse is no longer needed, but third-party makers will at > least still be selling them for quite a while after that. Not entirely. Most things go at about the right time. After the floppy vanished, I bought a USB one that has been used less than 10 times in the last 10 or more years. Optical has now gone, leaving a nice empty space in my Mini for an SSD. Much more useful. And for £20 I buy a USB DVD-everything drive from Amazon that not only does the same as the previously built-in one, but which can be moved to SWMBO's Mini as and when. -- Tim "That excessive bail ought not to be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted" -- Bill of Rights 1689
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| From | Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> |
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| Date | 2013-11-28 13:10 +1300 |
| Message-ID | <281120131310359811%YourName@YourISP.com> |
| In reply to | #19663 |
In article <271120132320157731%timstreater@greenbee.net>, Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> wrote: > In article <281120130853345579%YourName@YourISP.com>, Your Name > <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote: > > > In article <y1txexvdua.fsf@ethel.the.log>, Doug Anderson > > <ethelthelogremovethis@gmail.com> wrote: > > > Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> writes: > > > > In article <261120130624424736%doozy@earthling.net.invalid>, Philo D > > > > <doozy@earthling.net.invalid> wrote: > > > > > In article <slrnl98i5l.nta.g.kreme@mbp55.local>, Lewis > > > > > <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Pretty sure you can use a three-finger drag to move the content in > > > > > > the > > > > > > preview window if the content is larger than the window. > > > > > > > > > > But of course there is no "three-finger drag" when you are using a > > > > > mouse. The mouse is gradually becoming obsolete, in favor of the > > > > > touch pad. > > > > > > > > Unlikely. The trackpad is simply not accurate enough for many people. > > > > > > Yes, this is an interesting divergence. > > > > > > For the sort of things I do, the trackpad is perfect and in fact much > > > better than a mouse. > > > > > > But there are all kinds of graphics/gaming/etc. things that aren't > > > part of my computing life but where a trackpad is clearly _not_ ideal > > > all the time. > > > > There is a potential problem here though. Apple itself does have a > > nasty tendency to assume it knows what is best and gets rid of things > > even though many people still use them - floppy drives, optical drives, > > software features, etc. It is possibly that Apple will decide that they > > think the mouse is no longer needed, but third-party makers will at > > least still be selling them for quite a while after that. > > Not entirely. Most things go at about the right time. After the floppy > vanished, I bought a USB one that has been used less than 10 times in > the last 10 or more years. Optical has now gone, leaving a nice empty > space in my Mini for an SSD. Much more useful. And for £20 I buy a USB > DVD-everything drive from Amazon that not only does the same as the > previously built-in one, but which can be moved to SWMBO's Mini as and > when. It may be "about the right time" for you and no doubt many other similar people, but it's also completely the wrong time for many other people.
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| From | nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> |
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| Date | 2013-11-27 19:19 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <271120131919410611%nospam@nospam.invalid> |
| In reply to | #19668 |
In article <281120131310359811%YourName@YourISP.com>, Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote: > > > There is a potential problem here though. Apple itself does have a > > > nasty tendency to assume it knows what is best and gets rid of things > > > even though many people still use them - floppy drives, optical drives, > > > software features, etc. It is possibly that Apple will decide that they > > > think the mouse is no longer needed, but third-party makers will at > > > least still be selling them for quite a while after that. > > > > Not entirely. Most things go at about the right time. After the floppy > > vanished, I bought a USB one that has been used less than 10 times in > > the last 10 or more years. Optical has now gone, leaving a nice empty > > space in my Mini for an SSD. Much more useful. And for £20 I buy a USB > > DVD-everything drive from Amazon that not only does the same as the > > previously built-in one, but which can be moved to SWMBO's Mini as and > > when. > > It may be "about the right time" for you and no doubt many other > similar people, but it's also completely the wrong time for many other > people. not enough to justify keeping it in the product. those who need one can buy an external unit. those who don't (which is the majority) save money by not paying for something they'll never use. .
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