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  Apple Watch AV3 <arvimide@earthlink.net> - 2015-04-10 21:05 -0400
    Re: Apple Watch Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2015-04-10 19:04 -0700
    Re: Apple Watch Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-04-10 22:35 -0700
      Re: Apple Watch AV3 <arvimide@earthlink.net> - 2015-04-11 10:45 -0400
        Re: Apple Watch nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-04-11 14:18 -0400
          Re: Apple Watch AV3 <arvimide@earthlink.net> - 2015-04-11 15:58 -0400
            Re: Apple Watch nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-04-11 16:28 -0400
              Re: Apple Watch Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2015-04-11 16:53 -0700
            Re: Apple Watch Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-04-11 22:22 +0000
              Re: Apple Watch Jim_Higgins <gordian240@hotmail.com> - 2015-04-11 20:05 -0400
                Re: Apple Watch nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-04-11 20:28 -0400
              Re: Apple Watch AV3 <arvimide@earthlink.net> - 2015-04-12 11:08 -0400
                Re: Apple Watch nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-04-12 11:16 -0400
                  Re: Apple Watch AV3 <arvimide@earthlink.net> - 2015-04-14 20:58 -0400
                    Re: Apple Watch Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-04-14 18:00 -0700
                      Re: Apple Watch AV3 <arvimide@earthlink.net> - 2015-04-15 11:14 -0400
                        Re: Apple Watch Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-04-15 08:24 -0700
                    Re: Apple Watch nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-04-14 22:36 -0400
                      Re: Apple Watch AV3 <arvimide@earthlink.net> - 2015-04-15 11:29 -0400
                        Re: Apple Watch nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-04-15 11:42 -0400
                          Re: Apple Watch AV3 <arvimide@earthlink.net> - 2015-04-15 11:56 -0400
                            Re: Apple Watch nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-04-15 12:02 -0400
                          Re: Apple Watch Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-04-15 09:44 -0700
                            Re: Apple Watch nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-04-15 17:14 -0400
                              Re: Apple Watch dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2015-04-16 08:10 +1000
                    Re: Apple Watch John McWilliams <jpmcw@comcast.net> - 2015-04-14 21:13 -0700
                      Re: Apple Watch AV3 <arvimide@earthlink.net> - 2015-04-15 11:20 -0400
                    Re: Apple Watch Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-04-15 12:52 +0000
                      Re: Apple Watch AV3 <arvimide@earthlink.net> - 2015-04-15 11:42 -0400
                        Re: Apple Watch nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-04-15 11:49 -0400
                        Re: Apple Watch Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-04-15 15:56 +0000
                        Re: Apple Watch Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-04-15 22:45 +0000
      Re: Apple Watch nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-04-11 14:18 -0400
        Re: Apple Watch Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-04-11 21:36 -0700
    Re: Apple Watch Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-04-11 11:22 +0000
    Re: Apple Watch Doc O'Leary  <droleary@2usenet2014.subsume.com> - 2015-04-11 14:16 +0000
    Re: Apple Watch Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2015-04-11 19:23 -0400
      Re: Apple Watch Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-04-12 00:22 +0000
        Re: Apple Watch AV3 <arvimide@earthlink.net> - 2015-04-12 11:24 -0400
      Re: Apple Watch nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-04-11 20:28 -0400
      Re: Apple Watch Zar Zifodow <zarzifodow@mailinator.com> - 2015-04-11 19:25 -0700
        Re: Apple Watch Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2015-04-12 07:38 -0400
          Re: Apple Watch Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2015-04-12 09:48 -0400
          Re: Apple Watch me@home.spamsucks.ca (Király) - 2015-04-12 23:13 +0000
            Re: Apple Watch Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2015-04-12 19:30 -0400
              Re: Apple Watch Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2015-04-12 16:48 -0700
                Re: Apple Watch Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2015-04-13 08:27 -0400
                  Re: Apple Watch Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2015-04-13 05:35 -0700
              Re: Apple Watch dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2015-04-13 09:55 +1000
                Re: Apple Watch Kurt Ullman <kurtullman@yahoo.com> - 2015-04-13 07:39 -0400
              Re: Apple Watch me@home.spamsucks.ca (Király) - 2015-04-13 04:52 +0000
                Re: Apple Watch dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2015-04-13 15:52 +1000
                  Re: Apple Watch Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2015-04-13 08:36 -0400
                    Re: Apple Watch John <Man@the.keyboard> - 2015-04-13 18:10 +0100
                  Re: Apple Watch John McWilliams <jpmcw@comcast.net> - 2015-04-13 09:59 -0700
                    Re: Apple Watch dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2015-04-14 07:52 +1000
                      Re: Apple Watch Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2015-04-13 18:49 -0400
                        Re: Apple Watch dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2015-04-14 10:25 +1000
                          Re: Apple Watch Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2015-04-13 18:09 -0700
                            Re: Apple Watch dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2015-04-14 13:01 +1000
                              Re: Apple Watch Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2015-04-13 20:43 -0700
                                Re: Apple Watch dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2015-04-14 18:34 +1000
                              Re: Apple Watch Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2015-04-14 09:52 -0400
                            Re: Apple Watch Leonard Blaisdell <leoblaisdell@sbcglobal.net> - 2015-04-15 16:32 -0700
                              Re: Apple Watch Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2015-04-15 17:46 -0700
                                Re: Apple Watch Leonard Blaisdell <leoblaisdell@sbcglobal.net> - 2015-04-15 20:10 -0700
                                  Re: Apple Watch Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-04-15 20:28 -0700
                                    Re: Apple Watch Leonard Blaisdell <leoblaisdell@sbcglobal.net> - 2015-04-15 20:49 -0700
                                      Re: Apple Watch Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2015-04-15 21:09 -0700
                                        Re: Apple Watch John McWilliams <jpmcw@comcast.net> - 2015-04-16 07:08 -0700
                                          Re: Apple Watch Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2015-04-16 08:26 -0700
                                            Re: Apple Watch John McWilliams <jpmcw@comcast.net> - 2015-04-16 09:16 -0700
                          Re: Apple Watch Leonard Blaisdell <leoblaisdell@sbcglobal.net> - 2015-04-15 16:22 -0700
            Re: Apple Watch Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2015-04-12 16:47 -0700

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#28709 — Apple Watch

I ordered my Apple Watch a couple of minutes after midnight, PDT, and 
was informed I should receive it in the second half of May. I will check 
out its avatar at an Apple store in the meantime.

Did anyone get a promise of earlier delivery? New reports late today 
state that delivery in July is the current delivery date.

Has someone created an Apple Watch newsgroup? I checked out the words 
"watch" and "applewatch" without finding them in the name of any Apple 
newsgroup. If not, which newsgroup is the proper one in which to discuss it?


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#28710

On 2015-04-11 01:05:54 +0000, AV3 said:

> I ordered my Apple Watch a couple of minutes after midnight, PDT, and 
> was informed I should receive it in the second half of May. I will 
> check out its avatar at an Apple store in the meantime.
> 
> Did anyone get a promise of earlier delivery? New reports late today 
> state that delivery in July is the current delivery date.
> 
> Has someone created an Apple Watch newsgroup? I checked out the words 
> "watch" and "applewatch" without finding them in the name of any Apple 
> newsgroup. If not, which newsgroup is the proper one in which to 
> discuss it?

Since the Apple Watch is an iPhone accessory, I would think the 
appropriate NG would be misc.phone.mobile.iphone

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Savageduck

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#28716

In article <mg9s1j$75q$1@news.albasani.net>, AV3
<arvimide@earthlink.net> wrote:

> I ordered my Apple Watch a couple of minutes after midnight, PDT, and 
> was informed I should receive it in the second half of May. I will check 
> out its avatar at an Apple store in the meantime.
> 
> Did anyone get a promise of earlier delivery? New reports late today 
> state that delivery in July is the current delivery date.

Delivery is partially based on the model of the watch and the band.  At
midnight last night, the •Watch Sport was scheduled for delivery
between April 24 and May 1.  The •Watch edition was scheduled for July
or August, depending on the band and whether it is rose gold or yellow
gold.

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#28732

On 4/11/15, 1:35, Michelle Steiner wrote:
> In article<mg9s1j$75q$1@news.albasani.net>, AV3
> <arvimide@earthlink.net>  wrote:
>
>> I ordered my Apple Watch a couple of minutes after midnight, PDT, and
>> was informed I should receive it in the second half of May. I will check
>> out its avatar at an Apple store in the meantime.
>>
>> Did anyone get a promise of earlier delivery? New reports late today
>> state that delivery in July is the current delivery date.
>
> Delivery is partially based on the model of the watch and the band.  At
> midnight last night, the •Watch Sport was scheduled for delivery
> between April 24 and May 1.  The •Watch edition was scheduled for July
> or August, depending on the band and whether it is rose gold or yellow
> gold.


You beat me by going directly to a store. I was afraid of long lines, to 
which I am allergic. I ordered the •Watch Milanese like you. For the 
amount spent, it seems inconsiderate to delay the •Watch edition so 
late. That's the worst first world problem I ever heard of.


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#28737

In article <mgbc2r$e1a$1@news.albasani.net>, AV3
<arvimide@earthlink.net> wrote:

> >> I ordered my Apple Watch a couple of minutes after midnight, PDT, and
> >> was informed I should receive it in the second half of May. I will check
> >> out its avatar at an Apple store in the meantime.
> >>
> >> Did anyone get a promise of earlier delivery? New reports late today
> >> state that delivery in July is the current delivery date.
> >
> > Delivery is partially based on the model of the watch and the band.  At
> > midnight last night, the €Watch Sport was scheduled for delivery
> > between April 24 and May 1.  The €Watch edition was scheduled for July
> > or August, depending on the band and whether it is rose gold or yellow
> > gold.
> 
> You beat me by going directly to a store. I was afraid of long lines, to 
> which I am allergic.

going to a store would not have helped since they sold out of the
initial batch before stores even opened (unless you live in australia
or something).

not only that, but if you walk into a store and ask to buy one, they
help you order it online, the same as if you just stayed home and did
that.

> I ordered the €Watch Milanese like you. For the 
> amount spent, it seems inconsiderate to delay the €Watch edition so 
> late. That's the worst first world problem I ever heard of.

do you really think they're intentionally delaying the gold edition?

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#28738

On 4/11/15, 14:18, nospam wrote:
> In article<mgbc2r$e1a$1@news.albasani.net>, AV3
> <arvimide@earthlink.net>  wrote:
>
>>>> I ordered my Apple Watch a couple of minutes after midnight, PDT, and
>>>> was informed I should receive it in the second half of May. I will check
>>>> out its avatar at an Apple store in the meantime.
>>>>
>>>> Did anyone get a promise of earlier delivery? New reports late today
>>>> state that delivery in July is the current delivery date.
>>>
>>> Delivery is partially based on the model of the watch and the band.  At
>>> midnight last night, the €Watch Sport was scheduled for delivery
>>> between April 24 and May 1.  The €Watch edition was scheduled for July
>>> or August, depending on the band and whether it is rose gold or yellow
>>> gold.
>>
>> ...
>
>> I ordered the €Watch Milanese like you. For the
>> amount spent, it seems inconsiderate to delay the €Watch edition so
>> late. That's the worst first world problem I ever heard of.
>
> do you really think they're intentionally delaying the gold edition?


No, but I thought they would have highest priority for delivery. I doubt 
Apple expects to sell a thousand during the next year. Couldn't they 
have a couple of hundred ready by the earliest delivery date? I would 
expect that kind of priority if I were spending that much money for a 
watch case. Maybe demand far outpaced Apple's expectations. I expect I 
got a relatively early delivery date promised because I ordered a 
relatively expensive model that is less in demand.


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#28739

In article <mgbucc$g3i$1@news.albasani.net>, AV3
<arvimide@earthlink.net> wrote:
> >> I ordered the ¤Watch Milanese like you. For the
> >> amount spent, it seems inconsiderate to delay the ¤Watch edition so
> >> late. That's the worst first world problem I ever heard of.
> >
> > do you really think they're intentionally delaying the gold edition?
> 
> No, but I thought they would have highest priority for delivery. 

wtf for? they're certainly not going to sell the gold editions in the
same numbers as the other two versions.

the highest priority should be the ones that are going to sell the
most, which is *not* the gold version.

> I doubt 
> Apple expects to sell a thousand during the next year. 

don't be stupid. apple probably sold way more than 1000 gold editions
*already*.

they sold out of the initial batch in just *hours* and if this launch
is like previous ones, it's probably several *million* watches. assume
1% want gold (probably low but it's as good a guess as any), that's
tens of thousands in *just* preorders.

> Couldn't they 
> have a couple of hundred ready by the earliest delivery date? I would 
> expect that kind of priority if I were spending that much money for a 
> watch case. Maybe demand far outpaced Apple's expectations. I expect I 
> got a relatively early delivery date promised because I ordered a 
> relatively expensive model that is less in demand.

or maybe the gold version is in higher demand than apple thought it
would be.

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#28744

On 2015-04-11 20:28:20 +0000, nospam said:

> In article <mgbucc$g3i$1@news.albasani.net>, AV3
> <arvimide@earthlink.net> wrote:
>>>> I ordered the ¤Watch Milanese like you. For the
>>>> amount spent, it seems inconsiderate to delay the ¤Watch edition so
>>>> late. That's the worst first world problem I ever heard of.
>>> 
>>> do you really think they're intentionally delaying the gold edition?
>> 
>> No, but I thought they would have highest priority for delivery.
> 
> wtf for? they're certainly not going to sell the gold editions in the
> same numbers as the other two versions.
> 
> the highest priority should be the ones that are going to sell the
> most, which is *not* the gold version.
> 
>> I doubt
>> Apple expects to sell a thousand during the next year.
> 
> don't be stupid. apple probably sold way more than 1000 gold editions
> *already*.
> 
> they sold out of the initial batch in just *hours* and if this launch
> is like previous ones, it's probably several *million* watches. assume
> 1% want gold (probably low but it's as good a guess as any), that's
> tens of thousands in *just* preorders.
> 
>> Couldn't they
>> have a couple of hundred ready by the earliest delivery date? I would
>> expect that kind of priority if I were spending that much money for a
>> watch case. Maybe demand far outpaced Apple's expectations. I expect I
>> got a relatively early delivery date promised because I ordered a
>> relatively expensive model that is less in demand.
> 
> or maybe the gold version is in higher demand than apple thought it
> would be.

Apparently the big gold edition pre-order came in China.

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Regards,

Savageduck

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#28742

On 2015-04-11, AV3 <arvimide@earthlink.net> wrote:
> On 4/11/15, 14:18, nospam wrote:
>
>> do you really think they're intentionally delaying the gold edition?
>
> No, but I thought they would have highest priority for delivery. 

What evidence can you provide that shows they don't?

> I doubt Apple expects to sell a thousand during the next year.
> Couldn't they have a couple of hundred ready by the earliest delivery
> date? 

Perhaps not economically. Why does it matter so much to you?

> I would expect that kind of priority if I were spending that much
> money for a watch case. 

And you clearly speak for yourself. I'm sure plenty are happy to get it
when its first available. 

> Maybe demand far outpaced Apple's expectations.

Or maybe your suggestion that they don't have the highest priority for
delivery is incorrect. 

> I expect I got a relatively early delivery date promised because I
> ordered a relatively expensive model that is less in demand.

Yes. And so what?

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I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead.

JR

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#28745

On 4/11/15 6:22 PM, Jolly Roger wrote:
> On 2015-04-11, AV3 <arvimide@earthlink.net> wrote:
>> On 4/11/15, 14:18, nospam wrote:
>>
>>> do you really think they're intentionally delaying the gold edition?
>>
>> No, but I thought they would have highest priority for delivery.
>
> What evidence can you provide that shows they don't?
>
>> I doubt Apple expects to sell a thousand during the next year.
>> Couldn't they have a couple of hundred ready by the earliest delivery
>> date?
>
> Perhaps not economically. Why does it matter so much to you?
>
>> I would expect that kind of priority if I were spending that much
>> money for a watch case.
>
> And you clearly speak for yourself. I'm sure plenty are happy to get it
> when its first available.
>
>> Maybe demand far outpaced Apple's expectations.
>
> Or maybe your suggestion that they don't have the highest priority for
> delivery is incorrect.
>
>> I expect I got a relatively early delivery date promised because I
>> ordered a relatively expensive model that is less in demand.
>
> Yes. And so what?
>

The Apple watch will flop. It is written in the stars.

-- 
"Guarded by a tired cohort of Roman Heavy Infantry"

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#28748

In article <mgccpp$vl8$1@dont-email.me>, Jim_Higgins
<gordian240@hotmail.com> wrote:

> The Apple watch will flop. It is written in the stars.

you're looking at the wrong constellations.

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#28768

On 4/11/15, 18:22, Jolly Roger wrote:
> On 2015-04-11, AV3<arvimide@earthlink.net>  wrote:
>> On 4/11/15, 14:18, nospam wrote:
>>
>>> do you really think they're intentionally delaying the gold edition?
>>
>> No, but I thought they would have highest priority for delivery.
>
> What evidence can you provide that shows they don't?


That I got an earlier delivery date (the second half of May) than gold 
watch buyers. That says to me that orders are being filled more on the 
basis of first come/first served. That pleases me. It surprises me that 
big spenders are not coddled in the way I expected.


>
>> I doubt Apple expects to sell a thousand during the next year.
>> Couldn't they have a couple of hundred ready by the earliest delivery
>> date?
>
> Perhaps not economically. Why does it matter so much to you?

It doesn't "matter" to me, it just interests me. The news in my neck of 
the woods is that high rent and maintenance payers are demanding 
privileges over those paying legally determined "affordable" rents in 
residential developments. It is part of the decades-long debate about 
the value of rent control and rent stabilization.


>
>> I would expect that kind of priority if I were spending that much
>> money for a watch case.
>
> And you clearly speak for yourself. I'm sure plenty are happy to get it
> when its first available.


Me among them.


>
>> Maybe demand far outpaced Apple's expectations.
>
> Or maybe your suggestion that they don't have the highest priority for
> delivery is incorrect.


I was expressing surprise that my expectation was wrong.


>
>> I expect I got a relatively early delivery date promised because I
>> ordered a relatively expensive model that is less in demand.
>
> Yes. And so what?


Exactly


>


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#28770

In article <mge1on$f9f$1@news.albasani.net>, AV3
<arvimide@earthlink.net> wrote:

> >>> do you really think they're intentionally delaying the gold edition?
> >>
> >> No, but I thought they would have highest priority for delivery.
> >
> > What evidence can you provide that shows they don't?
> 
> That I got an earlier delivery date (the second half of May) than gold 
> watch buyers. That says to me that orders are being filled more on the 
> basis of first come/first served. That pleases me. It surprises me that 
> big spenders are not coddled in the way I expected.

of course orders are filled first come/first serve.

why would anyone do anything else??

if you ordered a gold watch at 12:01a on friday, you might have had a
4/24 ship date. 5-10 minutes later, shipping times for *all* versions
slipped into may or later.

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#28844

On 4/12/15, 11:16, nospam wrote:
> In article<mge1on$f9f$1@news.albasani.net>, AV3
> <arvimide@earthlink.net>  wrote:
>
>>>>> do you really think they're intentionally delaying the gold edition?
>>>>
>>>> No, but I thought they would have highest priority for delivery.
>>>
>>> What evidence can you provide that shows they don't?
>>
>> That I got an earlier delivery date (the second half of May) than gold
>> watch buyers. That says to me that orders are being filled more on the
>> basis of first come/first served. That pleases me. It surprises me that
>> big spenders are not coddled in the way I expected.
>
> of course orders are filled first come/first serve.
>
> why would anyone do anything else??


You're not consistent. You argued that airlines are performing a service 
to customers by charging graduated fees for seat selection service that 
was previously first come/first serve and without a fee. I favor first 
come/first serve for both airline and Apple services. But I was prepared 
to see the enormous price differential as an entitlement to early 
service on a few dozen gold-encased watches.


>
> if you ordered a gold watch at 12:01a on friday, you might have had a
> 4/24 ship date. 5-10 minutes later, shipping times for *all* versions
> slipped into may or later.


That suggests a considerable underestimate of demand. It probably takes 
goldsmiths that much time to make at least several hundred more cases. I 
ordered the same watch as Michelle just after midnight EDT online, while 
she ordered hers in an Arizona store, presumably several hours later, 
but we both ended up in the same delivery promise time, suggesting that 
demand for that watch was relatively low and stretched out through that 
ordering period.


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#28845

In article <mgkd45$69q$1@news.albasani.net>, AV3
<arvimide@earthlink.net> wrote:

> That suggests a considerable underestimate of demand. It probably takes 
> goldsmiths that much time to make at least several hundred more cases. I 
> ordered the same watch as Michelle just after midnight EDT online, while 
> she ordered hers in an Arizona store, presumably several hours later, 
> but we both ended up in the same delivery promise time, suggesting that 
> demand for that watch was relatively low and stretched out through that 
> ordering period.

Actually, I ordered it on line with my iPad while at the Apple Store.

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#28852

On 4/14/15, 21:00, Michelle Steiner wrote:
> In article<mgkd45$69q$1@news.albasani.net>, AV3
> <arvimide@earthlink.net>  wrote:
>
>> That suggests a considerable underestimate of demand. It probably takes
>> goldsmiths that much time to make at least several hundred more cases. I
>> ordered the same watch as Michelle just after midnight EDT online, while
>> she ordered hers in an Arizona store, presumably several hours later,
>> but we both ended up in the same delivery promise time, suggesting that
>> demand for that watch was relatively low and stretched out through that
>> ordering period.
>
> Actually, I ordered it on line with my iPad while at the Apple Store.


I ordered online a couple of minutes after midnight, PDT, but I presume 
you visited that store several hours later, and we both ended up in the 
same delivery period, right?


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#28854

In article <mglv89$fsu$1@news.albasani.net>, AV3
<arvimide@earthlink.net> wrote:

> On 4/14/15, 21:00, Michelle Steiner wrote:
> > In article<mgkd45$69q$1@news.albasani.net>, AV3
> > <arvimide@earthlink.net>  wrote:
> >
> >> That suggests a considerable underestimate of demand. It probably takes
> >> goldsmiths that much time to make at least several hundred more cases. I
> >> ordered the same watch as Michelle just after midnight EDT online, while
> >> she ordered hers in an Arizona store, presumably several hours later,
> >> but we both ended up in the same delivery promise time, suggesting that
> >> demand for that watch was relatively low and stretched out through that
> >> ordering period.
> >
> > Actually, I ordered it on line with my iPad while at the Apple Store.
> 
> 
> I ordered online a couple of minutes after midnight, PDT, but I presume 
> you visited that store several hours later, and we both ended up in the 
> same delivery period, right?

Yes, I ordered it about 7:30 - 7:45 PM.

At a few minutes after midnight, the shipping time was 4-6 weeks; when
I ordered it, the shipping time was the same.

I doubt that anyone got any earlier shipping times for this particular
model.

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#28847

In article <mgkd45$69q$1@news.albasani.net>, AV3
<arvimide@earthlink.net> wrote:

> >>>>> do you really think they're intentionally delaying the gold edition?
> >>>>
> >>>> No, but I thought they would have highest priority for delivery.
> >>>
> >>> What evidence can you provide that shows they don't?
> >>
> >> That I got an earlier delivery date (the second half of May) than gold
> >> watch buyers. That says to me that orders are being filled more on the
> >> basis of first come/first served. That pleases me. It surprises me that
> >> big spenders are not coddled in the way I expected.
> >
> > of course orders are filled first come/first serve.
> >
> > why would anyone do anything else??
> 
> You're not consistent. You argued that airlines are performing a service 
> to customers by charging graduated fees for seat selection service that 
> was previously first come/first serve and without a fee. I favor first 
> come/first serve for both airline and Apple services. But I was prepared 
> to see the enormous price differential as an entitlement to early 
> service on a few dozen gold-encased watches.

not a good comparison, and the price of the gold watch is in line with
other gold watches.

airline seat selection is first come/first serve. if you want 12a and
someone else picks it before you do, you must choose another seat, no
matter how much money you want to pay.

some seats are blocked off for elite customers, such as ones towards
the front or the exit row because those pax fly a lot and the airline
caters to them, versus the kettles who fly once a year, if that much.

of course, you can always pay a premium for business or first class,
but you get a better product. it's the equivalent of a gold watch. 

regardless of seat, you still get to the destination at the same time
everyone else does.

> > if you ordered a gold watch at 12:01a on friday, you might have had a
> > 4/24 ship date. 5-10 minutes later, shipping times for *all* versions
> > slipped into may or later.
> 
> That suggests a considerable underestimate of demand. 

it's much better than an overestimate of demand.

also keep in mind that the factories can only produce a certain amount
no matter what their estimates are. they are no doubt making as many as
they can.

the iphone 6/6+ was supply constrained until december/january or so.

> It probably takes 
> goldsmiths that much time to make at least several hundred more cases. I 
> ordered the same watch as Michelle just after midnight EDT online, while 
> she ordered hers in an Arizona store, presumably several hours later, 
> but we both ended up in the same delivery promise time, suggesting that 
> demand for that watch was relatively low and stretched out through that 
> ordering period.

it isn't low demand.

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#28855

On 4/14/15, 22:36, nospam wrote:
> In article<mgkd45$69q$1@news.albasani.net>, AV3
> <arvimide@earthlink.net>  wrote:
>
>>>>>>> do you really think they're intentionally delaying the gold edition?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> No, but I thought they would have highest priority for delivery.
>>>>>
>>>>> What evidence can you provide that shows they don't?
>>>>
>>>> That I got an earlier delivery date (the second half of May) than gold
>>>> watch buyers. That says to me that orders are being filled more on the
>>>> basis of first come/first served. That pleases me. It surprises me that
>>>> big spenders are not coddled in the way I expected.
>>>
>>> of course orders are filled first come/first serve.
>>>
>>> why would anyone do anything else??
>>
>> You're not consistent. You argued that airlines are performing a service
>> to customers by charging graduated fees for seat selection service that
>> was previously first come/first serve and without a fee. I favor first
>> come/first serve for both airline and Apple services. But I was prepared
>> to see the enormous price differential as an entitlement to early
>> service on a few dozen gold-encased watches.
>
> not a good comparison, and the price of the gold watch is in line with
> other gold watches.
>
> airline seat selection is first come/first serve. if you want 12a and
> someone else picks it before you do, you must choose another seat, no
> matter how much money you want to pay.
>
> some seats are blocked off for elite customers, such as ones towards
> the front or the exit row because those pax fly a lot and the airline
> caters to them, versus the kettles who fly once a year, if that much.


In economy class many seats are now blocked off purely for pay, not 
offered privately to elite customers. All those seats were formerly 
offered first come/first serve. On long flights, extra leg room and 
short rows are highly desirable.


>
> of course, you can always pay a premium for business or first class,
> but you get a better product. it's the equivalent of a gold watch.


On airlines today, even many "economy" class seats are also in that 
category.


>
> regardless of seat, you still get to the destination at the same time
> everyone else does.


Duh! But not so comfortably for crowded rows.

>
>>> ...


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#28856

In article <mgm04p$hb7$1@news.albasani.net>, AV3
<arvimide@earthlink.net> wrote:

> >> You're not consistent. You argued that airlines are performing a service
> >> to customers by charging graduated fees for seat selection service that
> >> was previously first come/first serve and without a fee. I favor first
> >> come/first serve for both airline and Apple services. But I was prepared
> >> to see the enormous price differential as an entitlement to early
> >> service on a few dozen gold-encased watches.
> >
> > not a good comparison, and the price of the gold watch is in line with
> > other gold watches.
> >
> > airline seat selection is first come/first serve. if you want 12a and
> > someone else picks it before you do, you must choose another seat, no
> > matter how much money you want to pay.
> >
> > some seats are blocked off for elite customers, such as ones towards
> > the front or the exit row because those pax fly a lot and the airline
> > caters to them, versus the kettles who fly once a year, if that much.
> 
> In economy class many seats are now blocked off purely for pay, not 
> offered privately to elite customers. All those seats were formerly 
> offered first come/first serve. On long flights, extra leg room and 
> short rows are highly desirable.

the seats are still first come/first serve but airlines reserve the
better seats for customers who fly a lot, versus the kettles who don't.

if you regularly buy large volumes of apple products per year, you'll
get priority service too.

> > of course, you can always pay a premium for business or first class,
> > but you get a better product. it's the equivalent of a gold watch.
> 
> On airlines today, even many "economy" class seats are also in that 
> category.

like hell they are.

there's a *huge* difference between premium economy and first/biz.

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