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| Started by | Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> |
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| First post | 2013-12-09 07:19 -0700 |
| Last post | 2013-12-09 19:22 -0800 |
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Last Thoth? Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2013-12-09 07:19 -0700
Re: Last Thoth? Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-12-09 15:46 +0000
Re: Last Thoth? Lloyd <lloydp21@live.com> - 2013-12-09 09:49 -0600
Re: Last Thoth? Lloyd E Parsons <lloydp21@live.com> - 2013-12-09 13:40 -0600
Re: Last Thoth? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2013-12-09 14:46 -0500
Re: Last Thoth? Lloyd E Parsons <lloydp21@live.com> - 2013-12-09 13:52 -0600
Re: Last Thoth? Guenther Fischer <never@spam.invalid> - 2013-12-09 21:09 +0100
Re: Last Thoth? Lloyd E Parsons <lloydp21@live.com> - 2013-12-09 14:16 -0600
Re: Last Thoth? gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2013-12-09 13:25 -0800
Re: Last Thoth? gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2013-12-09 13:24 -0800
Re: Last Thoth? Michael Vilain <vilain@NOspamcop.net> - 2013-12-09 13:25 -0800
Re: Last Thoth? Lloyd E Parsons <lloydp21@live.com> - 2013-12-09 15:36 -0600
Re: Last Thoth? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2013-12-09 16:40 -0500
Re: Last Thoth? Lloyd E Parsons <lloydp21@live.com> - 2013-12-09 15:50 -0600
Re: Last Thoth? gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2013-12-10 10:00 -0800
Re: Last Thoth? Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2013-12-09 19:01 -0700
Re: Last Thoth? gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2013-12-09 07:50 -0800
Re: Last Thoth? M-M <nospam.m-m@ny.more> - 2013-12-10 03:00 -0500
Re: Last Thoth? A N Niel <anniel@nym.alias.net.invalid> - 2013-12-10 09:19 -0700
Re: Last Thoth? Lloyd E Parsons <lloydp21@live.com> - 2013-12-10 12:40 -0600
Re: Last Thoth? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2013-12-10 12:22 -0500
Re: Last Thoth? Doc O'Leary <droleary@7usenet2013.subsume.com> - 2013-12-10 11:55 -0600
Re: Last Thoth? M-M <nospam.m-m@ny.more> - 2013-12-10 21:59 -0500
Re: Last Thoth? Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-12-11 05:12 +0000
Re: Last Thoth? gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2013-12-10 10:02 -0800
Re: Last Thoth? MalcolmO <user@domain.invalid> - 2013-12-14 16:25 -0500
Re: Last Thoth? Michael Vilain <vilain@NOspamcop.net> - 2013-12-09 09:08 -0800
Re: Last Thoth? "J.P. Kuypers" <Jean-Pierre.Kuypers@adresse.invalid> - 2013-12-09 19:58 +0100
Re: Last Thoth? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2013-12-19 12:50 +0000
Re: Last Thoth? Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2013-12-19 08:44 -0500
Re: Last Thoth? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2013-12-19 14:06 +0000
Re: Last Thoth? Lloyd E Parsons <lloydp21@live.com> - 2013-12-19 17:31 -0600
Re: Last Thoth? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2013-12-20 01:48 +0000
Re: Last Thoth? Lloyd E Parsons <lloydp21@live.com> - 2013-12-19 20:12 -0600
Re: Last Thoth? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2013-12-20 02:35 +0000
Re: Last Thoth? Lloyd E Parsons <lloydp21@live.com> - 2013-12-19 20:40 -0600
Re: Last Thoth? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2013-12-20 02:53 +0000
Re: Last Thoth? Lloyd E Parsons <lloydp21@live.com> - 2013-12-19 20:58 -0600
Re: Last Thoth? Don Bruder <dakidd@sonic.net> - 2013-12-19 19:27 -0800
Re: Last Thoth? Lloyd E Parsons <lloydp21@live.com> - 2013-12-19 21:49 -0600
Re: Last Thoth? gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2013-12-19 22:49 -0800
Re: Last Thoth? gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2013-12-19 22:48 -0800
Re: Last Thoth? Lloyd E Parsons <lloydp21@live.com> - 2013-12-20 07:56 -0600
Re: Last Thoth? gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2013-12-20 07:26 -0800
Re: Last Thoth? M-M <nospam.m-m@ny.more> - 2013-12-20 15:24 -0500
Re: Last Thoth? "Mr. Strat" <mrstrat@nospam.gmail.com> - 2013-12-21 06:43 -0800
Re: Last Thoth? M-M <nospam.m-m@ny.more> - 2013-12-21 10:48 -0500
Re: Last Thoth? Matthew Lybanon <lybanon@earthlink.net> - 2013-12-21 10:44 -0600
Re: Last Thoth? M-M <nospam.m-m@ny.more> - 2013-12-21 12:34 -0500
Re: Last Thoth? Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-12-21 19:33 +0000
Re: Last Thoth? Charles <fort514@mac.com> - 2013-12-21 22:25 -0500
Re: Last Thoth? Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2013-12-20 11:34 -0500
Re: Last Thoth? Lloyd E Parsons <lloydp21@live.com> - 2013-12-20 11:01 -0600
Re: Last Thoth? Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-12-19 15:00 +0000
Re: Last Thoth? Michael Vilain <vilain@NOspamcop.net> - 2013-12-19 10:30 -0800
Re: Last Thoth? gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2013-12-19 10:32 -0800
Re: Last Thoth? Guenther Fischer <never@spam.invalid> - 2013-12-09 18:53 +0100
Re: Last Thoth? "J.P. Kuypers" <Jean-Pierre.Kuypers@adresse.invalid> - 2013-12-09 19:50 +0100
Re: Last Thoth? gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2013-12-09 13:04 -0800
Re: Last Thoth? M-M <nospam.m-m@ny.more> - 2013-12-10 03:03 -0500
Re: Last Thoth? Invid Fan <invid@loclanet.com> - 2013-12-09 13:40 -0500
Re: Last Thoth? Don Bruder <dakidd@sonic.net> - 2013-12-09 18:36 -0800
Re: Last Thoth? Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2013-12-09 20:13 -0700
Re: Last Thoth? Don Bruder <dakidd@sonic.net> - 2013-12-09 19:22 -0800
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| From | Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> |
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| Date | 2013-12-09 07:19 -0700 |
| Subject | Last Thoth? |
| Message-ID | <091220130719558666%michelle@michelle.org> |
In the email announcing Thoth 1.9.1.2, there appeared this sentence: "Please also note that this is the final Thoth Announcements mailing." The download, unlike previous updates, was not password protected. Also, the Thoth web page ends with this paragraph: "Thanks to everyone who registered Thoth over the years, and to all who offered constructive criticism, encouragement, ideas for improvements, and help in their own way. Special thanks to the few who re-registered, to Drew D. Saur for hosting Thoth downloads for so many years, and to Jean-Pierre Kuypers for both hosting Thoth and the long hours he spent providing French localization for Thoth." Sounds to me as if Brian has stopped working on the software.
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| From | Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> |
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| Date | 2013-12-09 15:46 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <slrnlabpf5.1kh9.g.kreme@mbp55.local> |
| In reply to | #19823 |
In message <091220130719558666%michelle@michelle.org> Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> wrote: > In the email announcing Thoth 1.9.1.2, there appeared this sentence: > "Please also note that this is the final Thoth Announcements mailing." > The download, unlike previous updates, was not password protected. > Also, the Thoth web page ends with this paragraph: > "Thanks to everyone who registered Thoth over the years, and to all who > offered constructive criticism, encouragement, ideas for improvements, > and help in their own way. Special thanks to the few who re-registered, > to Drew D. Saur for hosting Thoth downloads for so many years, and to > Jean-Pierre Kuypers for both hosting Thoth and the long hours he spent > providing French localization for Thoth." > Sounds to me as if Brian has stopped working on the software. Again? -- 'The trouble with my friend here is that he doesn't know the difference between a postulate and a metaphor of human existence. Or a hole in the ground.' --Pyramids
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| From | Lloyd <lloydp21@live.com> |
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| Date | 2013-12-09 09:49 -0600 |
| Message-ID | <091220130949360236%lloydp21@live.com> |
| In reply to | #19824 |
In article <slrnlabpf5.1kh9.g.kreme@mbp55.local>, Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote: > In message <091220130719558666%michelle@michelle.org> > Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> wrote: > > In the email announcing Thoth 1.9.1.2, there appeared this sentence: > > "Please also note that this is the final Thoth Announcements mailing." > > > The download, unlike previous updates, was not password protected. > > > Also, the Thoth web page ends with this paragraph: > > > "Thanks to everyone who registered Thoth over the years, and to all who > > offered constructive criticism, encouragement, ideas for improvements, > > and help in their own way. Special thanks to the few who re-registered, > > to Drew D. Saur for hosting Thoth downloads for so many years, and to > > Jean-Pierre Kuypers for both hosting Thoth and the long hours he spent > > providing French localization for Thoth." > > > Sounds to me as if Brian has stopped working on the software. > > Again? Hopefully not. I've emailed Brian and directly asked him. No response as of yet. -- Lloyd
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| From | Lloyd E Parsons <lloydp21@live.com> |
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| Date | 2013-12-09 13:40 -0600 |
| Message-ID | <l856cp$818$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #19825 |
On 2013-12-09 15:49:36 +0000, Lloyd said: > In article <slrnlabpf5.1kh9.g.kreme@mbp55.local>, Lewis > <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote: > >> In message <091220130719558666%michelle@michelle.org> >> Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> wrote: >>> In the email announcing Thoth 1.9.1.2, there appeared this sentence: >>> "Please also note that this is the final Thoth Announcements mailing." >> >>> The download, unlike previous updates, was not password protected. >> >>> Also, the Thoth web page ends with this paragraph: >> >>> "Thanks to everyone who registered Thoth over the years, and to all who >>> offered constructive criticism, encouragement, ideas for improvements, >>> and help in their own way. Special thanks to the few who re-registered, >>> to Drew D. Saur for hosting Thoth downloads for so many years, and to >>> Jean-Pierre Kuypers for both hosting Thoth and the long hours he spent >>> providing French localization for Thoth." >> >>> Sounds to me as if Brian has stopped working on the software. >> >> Again? > > Hopefully not. I've emailed Brian and directly asked him. No response > as of yet. I got a reply from Brian. I won't post the email he sent as he didn't indicate it was for publication. It appears that Thoth will not continue. Basically not enough purchasers to make it even pay for itself, which includes the domain and hosting fees. I always had good service and support from Brian. When I emailed with issues, he fixed them and provided some test versions along the way to what you see now. I'll be sorry to see it go away which is what will happen with no further support. It is basically a dollars and sense decision on his part, and while I wish it was different, I fully understand the issue. I will make some suggestions to him about how he might find enough success, but in the end I doubt it will make a difference. :( -- Lloyd
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| From | nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> |
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| Date | 2013-12-09 14:46 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <091220131446529556%nospam@nospam.invalid> |
| In reply to | #19832 |
In article <l856cp$818$1@dont-email.me>, Lloyd E Parsons <lloydp21@live.com> wrote: > It appears that Thoth will not continue. Basically not enough > purchasers to make it even pay for itself, which includes the domain > and hosting fees. > > I always had good service and support from Brian. When I emailed with > issues, he fixed them and provided some test versions along the way to > what you see now. I'll be sorry to see it go away which is what will > happen with no further support. > > It is basically a dollars and sense decision on his part, and while I > wish it was different, I fully understand the issue. > > I will make some suggestions to him about how he might find enough > success, but in the end I doubt it will make a difference. :( if he made a version for the mac app store, he'd sell a lot. part of the problem is nobody knows about it. the alternative is unison which is horrible. absolutely horrible.
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| From | Lloyd E Parsons <lloydp21@live.com> |
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| Date | 2013-12-09 13:52 -0600 |
| Message-ID | <bgmlc6Fod31U1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #19833 |
On 2013-12-09 19:46:52 +0000, nospam said: > In article <l856cp$818$1@dont-email.me>, Lloyd E Parsons > <lloydp21@live.com> wrote: > >> It appears that Thoth will not continue. Basically not enough >> purchasers to make it even pay for itself, which includes the domain >> and hosting fees. >> >> I always had good service and support from Brian. When I emailed with >> issues, he fixed them and provided some test versions along the way to >> what you see now. I'll be sorry to see it go away which is what will >> happen with no further support. >> >> It is basically a dollars and sense decision on his part, and while I >> wish it was different, I fully understand the issue. >> >> I will make some suggestions to him about how he might find enough >> success, but in the end I doubt it will make a difference. :( > > if he made a version for the mac app store, he'd sell a lot. part of > the problem is nobody knows about it. > > the alternative is unison which is horrible. absolutely horrible. I suggested to him the Mac App Store might be a good way. But if he's avoided it this long, he'll probably still avoid it. And I don't agree about Unison. It ain't great, but it gets the job done. -- Lloyd
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| From | Guenther Fischer <never@spam.invalid> |
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| Date | 2013-12-09 21:09 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <091220132109017292%never@spam.invalid> |
| In reply to | #19834 |
In article <bgmlc6Fod31U1@mid.individual.net>, Lloyd E Parsons <lloydp21@live.com> wrote: > On 2013-12-09 19:46:52 +0000, nospam said: > > > In article <l856cp$818$1@dont-email.me>, Lloyd E Parsons > > <lloydp21@live.com> wrote: > > > >> It appears that Thoth will not continue. Basically not enough > >> purchasers to make it even pay for itself, which includes the domain > >> and hosting fees. > >> > >> I always had good service and support from Brian. When I emailed with > >> issues, he fixed them and provided some test versions along the way to > >> what you see now. I'll be sorry to see it go away which is what will > >> happen with no further support. > >> > >> It is basically a dollars and sense decision on his part, and while I > >> wish it was different, I fully understand the issue. > >> > >> I will make some suggestions to him about how he might find enough > >> success, but in the end I doubt it will make a difference. :( > > > > if he made a version for the mac app store, he'd sell a lot. part of > > the problem is nobody knows about it. > > > > the alternative is unison which is horrible. absolutely horrible. > > I suggested to him the Mac App Store might be a good way. But if he's > avoided it this long, he'll probably still avoid it. Told Brian the same. He had good arguments against that idea. Mainly the work that has to be done to make it accepted by apple. He is an old fashioned programmer :-) > And I don't agree about Unison. It ain't great, but it gets the job done. I worked for a while with Unison. It works fine. But Thoth is better for my purpose. And I am used to that old Newswatcher style. I like it.... I am an old fashioned user :-)
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| From | Lloyd E Parsons <lloydp21@live.com> |
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| Date | 2013-12-09 14:16 -0600 |
| Message-ID | <l858g5$mt9$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #19835 |
On 2013-12-09 20:09:01 +0000, Guenther Fischer said: > In article <bgmlc6Fod31U1@mid.individual.net>, Lloyd E Parsons > <lloydp21@live.com> wrote: > >> On 2013-12-09 19:46:52 +0000, nospam said: >> >>> In article <l856cp$818$1@dont-email.me>, Lloyd E Parsons >>> <lloydp21@live.com> wrote: >>> >>>> It appears that Thoth will not continue. Basically not enough >>>> purchasers to make it even pay for itself, which includes the domain >>>> and hosting fees. >>>> >>>> I always had good service and support from Brian. When I emailed with >>>> issues, he fixed them and provided some test versions along the way to >>>> what you see now. I'll be sorry to see it go away which is what will >>>> happen with no further support. >>>> >>>> It is basically a dollars and sense decision on his part, and while I >>>> wish it was different, I fully understand the issue. >>>> >>>> I will make some suggestions to him about how he might find enough >>>> success, but in the end I doubt it will make a difference. :( >>> >>> if he made a version for the mac app store, he'd sell a lot. part of >>> the problem is nobody knows about it. >>> >>> the alternative is unison which is horrible. absolutely horrible. >> >> I suggested to him the Mac App Store might be a good way. But if he's >> avoided it this long, he'll probably still avoid it. > > Told Brian the same. He had good arguments against that idea. Mainly > the work that has to be done to make it accepted by apple. > He is an old fashioned programmer :-) > >> And I don't agree about Unison. It ain't great, but it gets the job done. > > I worked for a while with Unison. It works fine. But Thoth is better > for my purpose. And I am used to that old Newswatcher style. I like > it.... I am an old fashioned user :-) I've been using Unison though I bought and paid for both it and Thoth. I'm strictly a text-only usenet user so either work just fine. -- Lloyd
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| From | gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> |
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| Date | 2013-12-09 13:25 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <2013120913251873540-xxx@yyyzzz> |
| In reply to | #19833 |
On 2013-12-09 19:46:52 +0000, nospam said: > In article <l856cp$818$1@dont-email.me>, Lloyd E Parsons > <lloydp21@live.com> wrote: > >> It appears that Thoth will not continue. Basically not enough >> purchasers to make it even pay for itself, which includes the domain >> and hosting fees. >> >> I always had good service and support from Brian. When I emailed with >> issues, he fixed them and provided some test versions along the way to >> what you see now. I'll be sorry to see it go away which is what will >> happen with no further support. >> >> It is basically a dollars and sense decision on his part, and while I >> wish it was different, I fully understand the issue. >> >> I will make some suggestions to him about how he might find enough >> success, but in the end I doubt it will make a difference. :( > > if he made a version for the mac app store, he'd sell a lot. part of > the problem is nobody knows about it. > > the alternative is unison which is horrible. absolutely horrible. I like it and use it as my primary newsreader. But Thoth is vastly more capable.
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| From | gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> |
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| Date | 2013-12-09 13:24 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <2013120913244524260-xxx@yyyzzz> |
| In reply to | #19832 |
On 2013-12-09 19:40:36 +0000, Lloyd E Parsons said: > It appears that Thoth will not continue. Basically not enough > purchasers to make it even pay for itself, which includes the domain > and hosting fees. That may be so. But here's my projection of what will happen. The next time an OS produces misery for Thoth, Brian will be *unable* to avoid looking into it and seeing it it can be readily corrected. And if it's small, he'll fix it. And if it's large he'll be intrigued and just put in a little time on it, then get challenged by it, and wind up fixing it too. Just my guess.
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| From | Michael Vilain <vilain@NOspamcop.net> |
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| Date | 2013-12-09 13:25 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <vilain-D48CAF.13250809122013@news.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #19832 |
In article <l856cp$818$1@dont-email.me>, Lloyd E Parsons <lloydp21@live.com> wrote: > On 2013-12-09 15:49:36 +0000, Lloyd said: > > > In article <slrnlabpf5.1kh9.g.kreme@mbp55.local>, Lewis > > <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote: > > > >> In message <091220130719558666%michelle@michelle.org> > >> Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> wrote: > >>> In the email announcing Thoth 1.9.1.2, there appeared this sentence: > >>> "Please also note that this is the final Thoth Announcements mailing." > >> > >>> The download, unlike previous updates, was not password protected. > >> > >>> Also, the Thoth web page ends with this paragraph: > >> > >>> "Thanks to everyone who registered Thoth over the years, and to all who > >>> offered constructive criticism, encouragement, ideas for improvements, > >>> and help in their own way. Special thanks to the few who re-registered, > >>> to Drew D. Saur for hosting Thoth downloads for so many years, and to > >>> Jean-Pierre Kuypers for both hosting Thoth and the long hours he spent > >>> providing French localization for Thoth." > >> > >>> Sounds to me as if Brian has stopped working on the software. > >> > >> Again? > > > > Hopefully not. I've emailed Brian and directly asked him. No response > > as of yet. > > I got a reply from Brian. I won't post the email he sent as he didn't > indicate it was for publication. > > It appears that Thoth will not continue. Basically not enough > purchasers to make it even pay for itself, which includes the domain > and hosting fees. > > I always had good service and support from Brian. When I emailed with > issues, he fixed them and provided some test versions along the way to > what you see now. I'll be sorry to see it go away which is what will > happen with no further support. > > It is basically a dollars and sense decision on his part, and while I > wish it was different, I fully understand the issue. > > I will make some suggestions to him about how he might find enough > success, but in the end I doubt it will make a difference. :( As callous as it sounds, isn't this how the free market works? How many great products just died because people didn't know about them? Claris made all these great products that were perfect in their price points only to have the company vanish and the products killed off. Except for Filemaker, which actually became something. It's not like Thoth is overpriced, like Unison. Guess it's just economics. -- DeeDee, don't press that button! DeeDee! NO! Dee... [I filter all Goggle Groups posts, so any reply may be automatically ignored]
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| From | Lloyd E Parsons <lloydp21@live.com> |
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| Date | 2013-12-09 15:36 -0600 |
| Message-ID | <l85d60$nrq$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #19839 |
On 2013-12-09 21:25:08 +0000, Michael Vilain said: > In article <l856cp$818$1@dont-email.me>, > Lloyd E Parsons <lloydp21@live.com> wrote: > >> On 2013-12-09 15:49:36 +0000, Lloyd said: >> >>> In article <slrnlabpf5.1kh9.g.kreme@mbp55.local>, Lewis >>> <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote: >>> >>>> In message <091220130719558666%michelle@michelle.org> >>>> Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> wrote: >>>>> In the email announcing Thoth 1.9.1.2, there appeared this sentence: >>>>> "Please also note that this is the final Thoth Announcements mailing." >>>> >>>>> The download, unlike previous updates, was not password protected. >>>> >>>>> Also, the Thoth web page ends with this paragraph: >>>> >>>>> "Thanks to everyone who registered Thoth over the years, and to all who >>>>> offered constructive criticism, encouragement, ideas for improvements, >>>>> and help in their own way. Special thanks to the few who re-registered, >>>>> to Drew D. Saur for hosting Thoth downloads for so many years, and to >>>>> Jean-Pierre Kuypers for both hosting Thoth and the long hours he spent >>>>> providing French localization for Thoth." >>>> >>>>> Sounds to me as if Brian has stopped working on the software. >>>> >>>> Again? >>> >>> Hopefully not. I've emailed Brian and directly asked him. No response >>> as of yet. >> >> I got a reply from Brian. I won't post the email he sent as he didn't >> indicate it was for publication. >> >> It appears that Thoth will not continue. Basically not enough >> purchasers to make it even pay for itself, which includes the domain >> and hosting fees. >> >> I always had good service and support from Brian. When I emailed with >> issues, he fixed them and provided some test versions along the way to >> what you see now. I'll be sorry to see it go away which is what will >> happen with no further support. >> >> It is basically a dollars and sense decision on his part, and while I >> wish it was different, I fully understand the issue. >> >> I will make some suggestions to him about how he might find enough >> success, but in the end I doubt it will make a difference. :( > > As callous as it sounds, isn't this how the free market works? How many > great products just died because people didn't know about them? Claris > made all these great products that were perfect in their price points > only to have the company vanish and the products killed off. Except for > Filemaker, which actually became something. > > It's not like Thoth is overpriced, like Unison. Guess it's just > economics. ?? Unison is less than $5 more than Thoth. -- Lloyd
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| From | nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> |
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| Date | 2013-12-09 16:40 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <091220131640419284%nospam@nospam.invalid> |
| In reply to | #19841 |
In article <l85d60$nrq$1@dont-email.me>, Lloyd E Parsons <lloydp21@live.com> wrote: > > It's not like Thoth is overpriced, like Unison. Guess it's just > > economics. > > ?? Unison is less than $5 more than Thoth. if unison was free, it would still be overpriced.
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| From | Lloyd E Parsons <lloydp21@live.com> |
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| Date | 2013-12-09 15:50 -0600 |
| Message-ID | <l85e16$sq9$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #19842 |
On 2013-12-09 21:40:41 +0000, nospam said: > In article <l85d60$nrq$1@dont-email.me>, Lloyd E Parsons > <lloydp21@live.com> wrote: > >>> It's not like Thoth is overpriced, like Unison. Guess it's just >>> economics. >> >> ?? Unison is less than $5 more than Thoth. > > if unison was free, it would still be overpriced. Bullshit. -- Lloyd
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| From | gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> |
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| Date | 2013-12-10 10:00 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <2013121010003477653-xxx@yyyzzz> |
| In reply to | #19844 |
On 2013-12-09 21:50:55 +0000, Lloyd E Parsons said: > On 2013-12-09 21:40:41 +0000, nospam said: > >> In article <l85d60$nrq$1@dont-email.me>, Lloyd E Parsons >> <lloydp21@live.com> wrote: >> >>>> It's not like Thoth is overpriced, like Unison. Guess it's just >>>> economics. >>> >>> ?? Unison is less than $5 more than Thoth. >> >> if unison was free, it would still be overpriced. > > Bullshit. I think he just meant to say "I don't like Unison". That's fair. I don't like chocolate.
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| From | Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> |
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| Date | 2013-12-09 19:01 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <091220131901576072%michelle@michelle.org> |
| In reply to | #19839 |
In article <vilain-D48CAF.13250809122013@news.individual.net>, Michael Vilain <vilain@NOspamcop.net> wrote: > > I will make some suggestions to him about how he might find enough > > success, but in the end I doubt it will make a difference. :( > > As callous as it sounds, isn't this how the free market works? How many > great products just died because people didn't know about them? Claris > made all these great products that were perfect in their price points > only to have the company vanish and the products killed off. Except for > Filemaker, which actually became something. It wasn't that people didn't know about Claris products; it's that FileMaker Pro produced such an abnormal percentage of Claris' income and profits that it was financially in the best interest of Claris and Apple to kill off everything but FileMaker and ClarisWorks. They were a strange pair of products to be produced by the same company, so Apple brought ClarisWorks into itself and renamed it AppleWorks. Oh, and the company didn't vanish; it merely changed its name.
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| From | gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> |
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| Date | 2013-12-09 07:50 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <2013120907501277189-xxx@yyyzzz> |
| In reply to | #19823 |
On 2013-12-09 14:19:55 +0000, Michelle Steiner said: > In the email announcing Thoth 1.9.1.2, there appeared this sentence: > "Please also note that this is the final Thoth Announcements mailing." > > The download, unlike previous updates, was not password protected. > > Also, the Thoth web page ends with this paragraph: > > "Thanks to everyone who registered Thoth over the years, and to all who > offered constructive criticism, encouragement, ideas for improvements, > and help in their own way. Special thanks to the few who re-registered, > to Drew D. Saur for hosting Thoth downloads for so many years, and to > Jean-Pierre Kuypers for both hosting Thoth and the long hours he spent > providing French localization for Thoth." > > Sounds to me as if Brian has stopped working on the software. That's curious. Particularly since he's apparently spent so much time on it during the Mavericks transition. I got the impression that he was back supporting it, and that part of the rationale is that other newsreaders seem to be falling by the wayside over the past couple of years.
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| From | M-M <nospam.m-m@ny.more> |
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| Date | 2013-12-10 03:00 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <101220130300545432%nospam.m-m@ny.more> |
| In reply to | #19826 |
In article <2013120907501277189-xxx@yyyzzz>, gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> wrote: > > Sounds to me as if Brian has stopped working on the software. > > That's curious. Particularly since he's apparently spent so much time > on it during the Mavericks transition. I got the impression that he > was back supporting it, and that part of the rationale is that other > newsreaders seem to be falling by the wayside over the past couple of > years. I find it so odd that there were so few who bought Thoth after Mavericks killed MT-NW. I was so happy to find Thoth and jumped right on board. Brian has been exceptional in providing support and fixes. I guess there aren't many usenet users anymore. -- m-m photo gallery: http://mhmyers.com
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| From | A N Niel <anniel@nym.alias.net.invalid> |
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| Date | 2013-12-10 09:19 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <101220130919021853%anniel@nym.alias.net.invalid> |
| In reply to | #19859 |
In article <101220130300545432%nospam.m-m@ny.more>, M-M <nospam.m-m@ny.more> wrote: > I guess there aren't many usenet users anymore. This is the real problem. Mostly just us old-timers from before HTTP days.
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| From | Lloyd E Parsons <lloydp21@live.com> |
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| Date | 2013-12-10 12:40 -0600 |
| Message-ID | <l87n9e$sjv$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #19861 |
On 2013-12-10 16:19:02 +0000, A N Niel said: > In article <101220130300545432%nospam.m-m@ny.more>, M-M > <nospam.m-m@ny.more> wrote: > >> I guess there aren't many usenet users anymore. > > This is the real problem. Mostly just us old-timers from before HTTP > days. Not even many of us for that matter. A number of years ago when the ISPs were doing usenet, our local one went down. I was out of town when it happened and the way the usenet server worked then was I had to be on my ISP to actually use it. I called when I came home to find it down. Tech told me it had been down 3 days and I was only the 2nd one to notice. With usenet dieing a slow death, it is damned hard for someone to make any money writing an app to access it. And that's what Brian is fighting. A losing battle, imo. :( -- Lloyd
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