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  Last Thoth? Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2013-12-09 07:19 -0700
    Re: Last Thoth? Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-12-09 15:46 +0000
      Re: Last Thoth? Lloyd <lloydp21@live.com> - 2013-12-09 09:49 -0600
        Re: Last Thoth? Lloyd  E Parsons <lloydp21@live.com> - 2013-12-09 13:40 -0600
          Re: Last Thoth? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2013-12-09 14:46 -0500
            Re: Last Thoth? Lloyd  E Parsons <lloydp21@live.com> - 2013-12-09 13:52 -0600
              Re: Last Thoth? Guenther Fischer <never@spam.invalid> - 2013-12-09 21:09 +0100
                Re: Last Thoth? Lloyd  E Parsons <lloydp21@live.com> - 2013-12-09 14:16 -0600
            Re: Last Thoth? gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2013-12-09 13:25 -0800
          Re: Last Thoth? gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2013-12-09 13:24 -0800
          Re: Last Thoth? Michael Vilain <vilain@NOspamcop.net> - 2013-12-09 13:25 -0800
            Re: Last Thoth? Lloyd  E Parsons <lloydp21@live.com> - 2013-12-09 15:36 -0600
              Re: Last Thoth? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2013-12-09 16:40 -0500
                Re: Last Thoth? Lloyd  E Parsons <lloydp21@live.com> - 2013-12-09 15:50 -0600
                  Re: Last Thoth? gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2013-12-10 10:00 -0800
            Re: Last Thoth? Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2013-12-09 19:01 -0700
    Re: Last Thoth? gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2013-12-09 07:50 -0800
      Re: Last Thoth? M-M <nospam.m-m@ny.more> - 2013-12-10 03:00 -0500
        Re: Last Thoth? A N Niel <anniel@nym.alias.net.invalid> - 2013-12-10 09:19 -0700
          Re: Last Thoth? Lloyd  E Parsons <lloydp21@live.com> - 2013-12-10 12:40 -0600
        Re: Last Thoth? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2013-12-10 12:22 -0500
        Re: Last Thoth? Doc O'Leary <droleary@7usenet2013.subsume.com> - 2013-12-10 11:55 -0600
          Re: Last Thoth? M-M <nospam.m-m@ny.more> - 2013-12-10 21:59 -0500
            Re: Last Thoth? Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-12-11 05:12 +0000
        Re: Last Thoth? gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2013-12-10 10:02 -0800
        Re: Last Thoth? MalcolmO <user@domain.invalid> - 2013-12-14 16:25 -0500
    Re: Last Thoth? Michael Vilain <vilain@NOspamcop.net> - 2013-12-09 09:08 -0800
      Re: Last Thoth? "J.P. Kuypers" <Jean-Pierre.Kuypers@adresse.invalid> - 2013-12-09 19:58 +0100
      Re: Last Thoth? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2013-12-19 12:50 +0000
        Re: Last Thoth? Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2013-12-19 08:44 -0500
          Re: Last Thoth? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2013-12-19 14:06 +0000
            Re: Last Thoth? Lloyd  E Parsons <lloydp21@live.com> - 2013-12-19 17:31 -0600
              Re: Last Thoth? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2013-12-20 01:48 +0000
                Re: Last Thoth? Lloyd  E Parsons <lloydp21@live.com> - 2013-12-19 20:12 -0600
                  Re: Last Thoth? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2013-12-20 02:35 +0000
                    Re: Last Thoth? Lloyd  E Parsons <lloydp21@live.com> - 2013-12-19 20:40 -0600
                      Re: Last Thoth? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2013-12-20 02:53 +0000
                        Re: Last Thoth? Lloyd  E Parsons <lloydp21@live.com> - 2013-12-19 20:58 -0600
                          Re: Last Thoth? Don Bruder <dakidd@sonic.net> - 2013-12-19 19:27 -0800
                            Re: Last Thoth? Lloyd  E Parsons <lloydp21@live.com> - 2013-12-19 21:49 -0600
                              Re: Last Thoth? gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2013-12-19 22:49 -0800
                        Re: Last Thoth? gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2013-12-19 22:48 -0800
                          Re: Last Thoth? Lloyd  E Parsons <lloydp21@live.com> - 2013-12-20 07:56 -0600
                            Re: Last Thoth? gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2013-12-20 07:26 -0800
                      Re: Last Thoth? M-M <nospam.m-m@ny.more> - 2013-12-20 15:24 -0500
                        Re: Last Thoth? "Mr. Strat" <mrstrat@nospam.gmail.com> - 2013-12-21 06:43 -0800
                          Re: Last Thoth? M-M <nospam.m-m@ny.more> - 2013-12-21 10:48 -0500
                            Re: Last Thoth? Matthew Lybanon <lybanon@earthlink.net> - 2013-12-21 10:44 -0600
                              Re: Last Thoth? M-M <nospam.m-m@ny.more> - 2013-12-21 12:34 -0500
                            Re: Last Thoth? Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-12-21 19:33 +0000
                          Re: Last Thoth? Charles <fort514@mac.com> - 2013-12-21 22:25 -0500
                  Re: Last Thoth? Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2013-12-20 11:34 -0500
                    Re: Last Thoth? Lloyd  E Parsons <lloydp21@live.com> - 2013-12-20 11:01 -0600
        Re: Last Thoth? Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-12-19 15:00 +0000
        Re: Last Thoth? Michael Vilain <vilain@NOspamcop.net> - 2013-12-19 10:30 -0800
          Re: Last Thoth? gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2013-12-19 10:32 -0800
    Re: Last Thoth? Guenther Fischer <never@spam.invalid> - 2013-12-09 18:53 +0100
      Re: Last Thoth? "J.P. Kuypers" <Jean-Pierre.Kuypers@adresse.invalid> - 2013-12-09 19:50 +0100
        Re: Last Thoth? gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2013-12-09 13:04 -0800
          Re: Last Thoth? M-M <nospam.m-m@ny.more> - 2013-12-10 03:03 -0500
    Re: Last Thoth? Invid Fan <invid@loclanet.com> - 2013-12-09 13:40 -0500
    Re: Last Thoth? Don Bruder <dakidd@sonic.net> - 2013-12-09 18:36 -0800
      Re: Last Thoth? Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2013-12-09 20:13 -0700
        Re: Last Thoth? Don Bruder <dakidd@sonic.net> - 2013-12-09 19:22 -0800

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#19823 — Last Thoth?

In the email announcing Thoth 1.9.1.2, there appeared this sentence: 
"Please also note that this is the final Thoth Announcements mailing."

The download, unlike previous updates, was not password protected.

Also, the Thoth web page ends with this paragraph:

"Thanks to everyone who registered Thoth over the years, and to all who
offered constructive criticism, encouragement, ideas for improvements,
and help in their own way. Special thanks to the few who re-registered,
to Drew D. Saur for hosting Thoth downloads for so many years, and to
Jean-Pierre Kuypers for both hosting Thoth and the long hours he spent
providing French localization for Thoth."

Sounds to me as if Brian has stopped working on the software.

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#19824

In message <091220130719558666%michelle@michelle.org> 
  Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> wrote:
> In the email announcing Thoth 1.9.1.2, there appeared this sentence: 
> "Please also note that this is the final Thoth Announcements mailing."

> The download, unlike previous updates, was not password protected.

> Also, the Thoth web page ends with this paragraph:

> "Thanks to everyone who registered Thoth over the years, and to all who
> offered constructive criticism, encouragement, ideas for improvements,
> and help in their own way. Special thanks to the few who re-registered,
> to Drew D. Saur for hosting Thoth downloads for so many years, and to
> Jean-Pierre Kuypers for both hosting Thoth and the long hours he spent
> providing French localization for Thoth."

> Sounds to me as if Brian has stopped working on the software.

Again?

-- 
'The trouble with my friend here is that he doesn't know the difference
between a postulate and a metaphor of human existence. Or a hole in the
ground.' --Pyramids

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#19825

In article <slrnlabpf5.1kh9.g.kreme@mbp55.local>, Lewis
<g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:

> In message <091220130719558666%michelle@michelle.org> 
>   Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> wrote:
> > In the email announcing Thoth 1.9.1.2, there appeared this sentence: 
> > "Please also note that this is the final Thoth Announcements mailing."
> 
> > The download, unlike previous updates, was not password protected.
> 
> > Also, the Thoth web page ends with this paragraph:
> 
> > "Thanks to everyone who registered Thoth over the years, and to all who
> > offered constructive criticism, encouragement, ideas for improvements,
> > and help in their own way. Special thanks to the few who re-registered,
> > to Drew D. Saur for hosting Thoth downloads for so many years, and to
> > Jean-Pierre Kuypers for both hosting Thoth and the long hours he spent
> > providing French localization for Thoth."
> 
> > Sounds to me as if Brian has stopped working on the software.
> 
> Again?

Hopefully not.  I've emailed Brian and directly asked him.  No response
as of yet.

-- 
Lloyd

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#19832

On 2013-12-09 15:49:36 +0000, Lloyd said:

> In article <slrnlabpf5.1kh9.g.kreme@mbp55.local>, Lewis
> <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:
> 
>> In message <091220130719558666%michelle@michelle.org>
>> Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> wrote:
>>> In the email announcing Thoth 1.9.1.2, there appeared this sentence:
>>> "Please also note that this is the final Thoth Announcements mailing."
>> 
>>> The download, unlike previous updates, was not password protected.
>> 
>>> Also, the Thoth web page ends with this paragraph:
>> 
>>> "Thanks to everyone who registered Thoth over the years, and to all who
>>> offered constructive criticism, encouragement, ideas for improvements,
>>> and help in their own way. Special thanks to the few who re-registered,
>>> to Drew D. Saur for hosting Thoth downloads for so many years, and to
>>> Jean-Pierre Kuypers for both hosting Thoth and the long hours he spent
>>> providing French localization for Thoth."
>> 
>>> Sounds to me as if Brian has stopped working on the software.
>> 
>> Again?
> 
> Hopefully not.  I've emailed Brian and directly asked him.  No response
> as of yet.

I got a reply from Brian.  I won't post the email he sent as he didn't 
indicate it was for publication.

It appears that Thoth will not continue.  Basically not enough 
purchasers to make it even pay for itself, which includes the domain 
and hosting fees.

I always had good service and support from Brian.  When I emailed with 
issues, he fixed them and provided some test versions along the way to 
what you see now.  I'll be sorry to see it go away which is what will 
happen with no further support.

It is basically a dollars and sense decision on his part, and while I 
wish it was different, I fully understand the issue.

I will make some suggestions to him about how he might find enough 
success, but in the end I doubt it will make a difference.  :(

-- 
Lloyd

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#19833

In article <l856cp$818$1@dont-email.me>, Lloyd  E Parsons
<lloydp21@live.com> wrote:

> It appears that Thoth will not continue.  Basically not enough 
> purchasers to make it even pay for itself, which includes the domain 
> and hosting fees.
> 
> I always had good service and support from Brian.  When I emailed with 
> issues, he fixed them and provided some test versions along the way to 
> what you see now.  I'll be sorry to see it go away which is what will 
> happen with no further support.
> 
> It is basically a dollars and sense decision on his part, and while I 
> wish it was different, I fully understand the issue.
> 
> I will make some suggestions to him about how he might find enough 
> success, but in the end I doubt it will make a difference.  :(

if he made a version for the mac app store, he'd sell a lot. part of
the problem is nobody knows about it. 

the alternative is unison which is horrible. absolutely horrible.

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#19834

On 2013-12-09 19:46:52 +0000, nospam said:

> In article <l856cp$818$1@dont-email.me>, Lloyd  E Parsons
> <lloydp21@live.com> wrote:
> 
>> It appears that Thoth will not continue.  Basically not enough
>> purchasers to make it even pay for itself, which includes the domain
>> and hosting fees.
>> 
>> I always had good service and support from Brian.  When I emailed with
>> issues, he fixed them and provided some test versions along the way to
>> what you see now.  I'll be sorry to see it go away which is what will
>> happen with no further support.
>> 
>> It is basically a dollars and sense decision on his part, and while I
>> wish it was different, I fully understand the issue.
>> 
>> I will make some suggestions to him about how he might find enough
>> success, but in the end I doubt it will make a difference.  :(
> 
> if he made a version for the mac app store, he'd sell a lot. part of
> the problem is nobody knows about it.
> 
> the alternative is unison which is horrible. absolutely horrible.

I suggested to him the Mac App Store might be a good way.  But if he's 
avoided it this long, he'll probably still avoid it.

And I don't agree about Unison.  It ain't great, but it gets the job done.

-- 
Lloyd

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#19835

In article <bgmlc6Fod31U1@mid.individual.net>, Lloyd  E Parsons
<lloydp21@live.com> wrote:

> On 2013-12-09 19:46:52 +0000, nospam said:
> 
> > In article <l856cp$818$1@dont-email.me>, Lloyd  E Parsons
> > <lloydp21@live.com> wrote:
> > 
> >> It appears that Thoth will not continue.  Basically not enough
> >> purchasers to make it even pay for itself, which includes the domain
> >> and hosting fees.
> >> 
> >> I always had good service and support from Brian.  When I emailed with
> >> issues, he fixed them and provided some test versions along the way to
> >> what you see now.  I'll be sorry to see it go away which is what will
> >> happen with no further support.
> >> 
> >> It is basically a dollars and sense decision on his part, and while I
> >> wish it was different, I fully understand the issue.
> >> 
> >> I will make some suggestions to him about how he might find enough
> >> success, but in the end I doubt it will make a difference.  :(
> > 
> > if he made a version for the mac app store, he'd sell a lot. part of
> > the problem is nobody knows about it.
> > 
> > the alternative is unison which is horrible. absolutely horrible.
> 
> I suggested to him the Mac App Store might be a good way.  But if he's 
> avoided it this long, he'll probably still avoid it.

Told Brian the same. He had good arguments against that idea. Mainly
the work that has to be done to make it accepted by apple. 
He is an old fashioned programmer :-)

> And I don't agree about Unison.  It ain't great, but it gets the job done.

I worked for a while with Unison. It works fine. But Thoth is better
for my purpose. And I am used to that old Newswatcher style. I like
it.... I am an old fashioned user :-)

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#19836

On 2013-12-09 20:09:01 +0000, Guenther Fischer said:

> In article <bgmlc6Fod31U1@mid.individual.net>, Lloyd  E Parsons
> <lloydp21@live.com> wrote:
> 
>> On 2013-12-09 19:46:52 +0000, nospam said:
>> 
>>> In article <l856cp$818$1@dont-email.me>, Lloyd  E Parsons
>>> <lloydp21@live.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> It appears that Thoth will not continue.  Basically not enough
>>>> purchasers to make it even pay for itself, which includes the domain
>>>> and hosting fees.
>>>> 
>>>> I always had good service and support from Brian.  When I emailed with
>>>> issues, he fixed them and provided some test versions along the way to
>>>> what you see now.  I'll be sorry to see it go away which is what will
>>>> happen with no further support.
>>>> 
>>>> It is basically a dollars and sense decision on his part, and while I
>>>> wish it was different, I fully understand the issue.
>>>> 
>>>> I will make some suggestions to him about how he might find enough
>>>> success, but in the end I doubt it will make a difference.  :(
>>> 
>>> if he made a version for the mac app store, he'd sell a lot. part of
>>> the problem is nobody knows about it.
>>> 
>>> the alternative is unison which is horrible. absolutely horrible.
>> 
>> I suggested to him the Mac App Store might be a good way.  But if he's
>> avoided it this long, he'll probably still avoid it.
> 
> Told Brian the same. He had good arguments against that idea. Mainly
> the work that has to be done to make it accepted by apple.
> He is an old fashioned programmer :-)
> 
>> And I don't agree about Unison.  It ain't great, but it gets the job done.
> 
> I worked for a while with Unison. It works fine. But Thoth is better
> for my purpose. And I am used to that old Newswatcher style. I like
> it.... I am an old fashioned user :-)

I've been using Unison though I bought and paid for both it and Thoth.  
I'm strictly a text-only usenet user so either work just fine.

-- 
Lloyd

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#19840

On 2013-12-09 19:46:52 +0000, nospam said:

> In article <l856cp$818$1@dont-email.me>, Lloyd  E Parsons
> <lloydp21@live.com> wrote:
> 
>> It appears that Thoth will not continue.  Basically not enough
>> purchasers to make it even pay for itself, which includes the domain
>> and hosting fees.
>> 
>> I always had good service and support from Brian.  When I emailed with
>> issues, he fixed them and provided some test versions along the way to
>> what you see now.  I'll be sorry to see it go away which is what will
>> happen with no further support.
>> 
>> It is basically a dollars and sense decision on his part, and while I
>> wish it was different, I fully understand the issue.
>> 
>> I will make some suggestions to him about how he might find enough
>> success, but in the end I doubt it will make a difference.  :(
> 
> if he made a version for the mac app store, he'd sell a lot. part of
> the problem is nobody knows about it.
> 
> the alternative is unison which is horrible. absolutely horrible.

I like it and use it as my primary newsreader. But Thoth is vastly more 
capable.

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#19838

On 2013-12-09 19:40:36 +0000, Lloyd  E Parsons said:

> It appears that Thoth will not continue.  Basically not enough 
> purchasers to make it even pay for itself, which includes the domain 
> and hosting fees.

That may be so.  But here's my projection of what will happen.  The 
next time an OS produces misery for Thoth, Brian will be *unable* to 
avoid looking into it and seeing it it can be readily corrected.  And 
if it's small, he'll fix it.

And if it's large he'll be intrigued and just put in a little time on 
it, then get challenged by it, and wind up fixing it too.

Just my guess.

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#19839

In article <l856cp$818$1@dont-email.me>,
 Lloyd  E Parsons <lloydp21@live.com> wrote:

> On 2013-12-09 15:49:36 +0000, Lloyd said:
> 
> > In article <slrnlabpf5.1kh9.g.kreme@mbp55.local>, Lewis
> > <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:
> > 
> >> In message <091220130719558666%michelle@michelle.org>
> >> Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> wrote:
> >>> In the email announcing Thoth 1.9.1.2, there appeared this sentence:
> >>> "Please also note that this is the final Thoth Announcements mailing."
> >> 
> >>> The download, unlike previous updates, was not password protected.
> >> 
> >>> Also, the Thoth web page ends with this paragraph:
> >> 
> >>> "Thanks to everyone who registered Thoth over the years, and to all who
> >>> offered constructive criticism, encouragement, ideas for improvements,
> >>> and help in their own way. Special thanks to the few who re-registered,
> >>> to Drew D. Saur for hosting Thoth downloads for so many years, and to
> >>> Jean-Pierre Kuypers for both hosting Thoth and the long hours he spent
> >>> providing French localization for Thoth."
> >> 
> >>> Sounds to me as if Brian has stopped working on the software.
> >> 
> >> Again?
> > 
> > Hopefully not.  I've emailed Brian and directly asked him.  No response
> > as of yet.
> 
> I got a reply from Brian.  I won't post the email he sent as he didn't 
> indicate it was for publication.
> 
> It appears that Thoth will not continue.  Basically not enough 
> purchasers to make it even pay for itself, which includes the domain 
> and hosting fees.
> 
> I always had good service and support from Brian.  When I emailed with 
> issues, he fixed them and provided some test versions along the way to 
> what you see now.  I'll be sorry to see it go away which is what will 
> happen with no further support.
> 
> It is basically a dollars and sense decision on his part, and while I 
> wish it was different, I fully understand the issue.
> 
> I will make some suggestions to him about how he might find enough 
> success, but in the end I doubt it will make a difference.  :(

As callous as it sounds, isn't this how the free market works? How many 
great products just died because people didn't know about them?  Claris 
made all these great products that were perfect in their price points 
only to have the company vanish and the products killed off.  Except for 
Filemaker, which actually became something.

It's not like Thoth is overpriced, like Unison. Guess it's just 
economics.

-- 
DeeDee, don't press that button!  DeeDee!  NO!  Dee...
[I filter all Goggle Groups posts, so any reply may be automatically ignored]

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#19841

On 2013-12-09 21:25:08 +0000, Michael Vilain said:

> In article <l856cp$818$1@dont-email.me>,
>  Lloyd  E Parsons <lloydp21@live.com> wrote:
> 
>> On 2013-12-09 15:49:36 +0000, Lloyd said:
>> 
>>> In article <slrnlabpf5.1kh9.g.kreme@mbp55.local>, Lewis
>>> <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> In message <091220130719558666%michelle@michelle.org>
>>>> Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> wrote:
>>>>> In the email announcing Thoth 1.9.1.2, there appeared this sentence:
>>>>> "Please also note that this is the final Thoth Announcements mailing."
>>>> 
>>>>> The download, unlike previous updates, was not password protected.
>>>> 
>>>>> Also, the Thoth web page ends with this paragraph:
>>>> 
>>>>> "Thanks to everyone who registered Thoth over the years, and to all who
>>>>> offered constructive criticism, encouragement, ideas for improvements,
>>>>> and help in their own way. Special thanks to the few who re-registered,
>>>>> to Drew D. Saur for hosting Thoth downloads for so many years, and to
>>>>> Jean-Pierre Kuypers for both hosting Thoth and the long hours he spent
>>>>> providing French localization for Thoth."
>>>> 
>>>>> Sounds to me as if Brian has stopped working on the software.
>>>> 
>>>> Again?
>>> 
>>> Hopefully not.  I've emailed Brian and directly asked him.  No response
>>> as of yet.
>> 
>> I got a reply from Brian.  I won't post the email he sent as he didn't
>> indicate it was for publication.
>> 
>> It appears that Thoth will not continue.  Basically not enough
>> purchasers to make it even pay for itself, which includes the domain
>> and hosting fees.
>> 
>> I always had good service and support from Brian.  When I emailed with
>> issues, he fixed them and provided some test versions along the way to
>> what you see now.  I'll be sorry to see it go away which is what will
>> happen with no further support.
>> 
>> It is basically a dollars and sense decision on his part, and while I
>> wish it was different, I fully understand the issue.
>> 
>> I will make some suggestions to him about how he might find enough
>> success, but in the end I doubt it will make a difference.  :(
> 
> As callous as it sounds, isn't this how the free market works? How many
> great products just died because people didn't know about them?  Claris
> made all these great products that were perfect in their price points
> only to have the company vanish and the products killed off.  Except for
> Filemaker, which actually became something.
> 
> It's not like Thoth is overpriced, like Unison. Guess it's just
> economics.

??   Unison is less than $5 more than Thoth.

-- 
Lloyd

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#19842

In article <l85d60$nrq$1@dont-email.me>, Lloyd  E Parsons
<lloydp21@live.com> wrote:

> > It's not like Thoth is overpriced, like Unison. Guess it's just
> > economics.
> 
> ??   Unison is less than $5 more than Thoth.

if unison was free, it would still be overpriced.

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#19844

On 2013-12-09 21:40:41 +0000, nospam said:

> In article <l85d60$nrq$1@dont-email.me>, Lloyd  E Parsons
> <lloydp21@live.com> wrote:
> 
>>> It's not like Thoth is overpriced, like Unison. Guess it's just
>>> economics.
>> 
>> ??   Unison is less than $5 more than Thoth.
> 
> if unison was free, it would still be overpriced.

Bullshit.

-- 
Lloyd

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#19864

On 2013-12-09 21:50:55 +0000, Lloyd  E Parsons said:

> On 2013-12-09 21:40:41 +0000, nospam said:
> 
>> In article <l85d60$nrq$1@dont-email.me>, Lloyd  E Parsons
>> <lloydp21@live.com> wrote:
>> 
>>>> It's not like Thoth is overpriced, like Unison. Guess it's just
>>>> economics.
>>> 
>>> ??   Unison is less than $5 more than Thoth.
>> 
>> if unison was free, it would still be overpriced.
> 
> Bullshit.

I think he just meant to say "I don't like Unison".  That's fair.  I 
don't like chocolate.

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#19845

In article <vilain-D48CAF.13250809122013@news.individual.net>, Michael
Vilain <vilain@NOspamcop.net> wrote:

> > I will make some suggestions to him about how he might find enough 
> > success, but in the end I doubt it will make a difference.  :(
> 
> As callous as it sounds, isn't this how the free market works? How many 
> great products just died because people didn't know about them?  Claris 
> made all these great products that were perfect in their price points 
> only to have the company vanish and the products killed off.  Except for 
> Filemaker, which actually became something.

It wasn't that people didn't know about Claris products; it's that
FileMaker Pro produced such an abnormal percentage of Claris' income
and profits that it was financially in the best interest of Claris and
Apple to kill off everything but FileMaker and ClarisWorks. They were a
strange pair of products to be produced by the same company, so Apple
brought ClarisWorks into itself and renamed it AppleWorks.

Oh, and the company didn't vanish; it merely changed its name.

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#19826

On 2013-12-09 14:19:55 +0000, Michelle Steiner said:

> In the email announcing Thoth 1.9.1.2, there appeared this sentence:
> "Please also note that this is the final Thoth Announcements mailing."
> 
> The download, unlike previous updates, was not password protected.
> 
> Also, the Thoth web page ends with this paragraph:
> 
> "Thanks to everyone who registered Thoth over the years, and to all who
> offered constructive criticism, encouragement, ideas for improvements,
> and help in their own way. Special thanks to the few who re-registered,
> to Drew D. Saur for hosting Thoth downloads for so many years, and to
> Jean-Pierre Kuypers for both hosting Thoth and the long hours he spent
> providing French localization for Thoth."
> 
> Sounds to me as if Brian has stopped working on the software.

That's curious.  Particularly since he's apparently spent so much time 
on it during the Mavericks transition.  I got the impression that he 
was back supporting it, and that part of the rationale is that other 
newsreaders seem to be falling by the wayside over the past couple of 
years.

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#19859

In article <2013120907501277189-xxx@yyyzzz>, gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> wrote:

> > Sounds to me as if Brian has stopped working on the software.
> 
> That's curious.  Particularly since he's apparently spent so much time 
> on it during the Mavericks transition.  I got the impression that he 
> was back supporting it, and that part of the rationale is that other 
> newsreaders seem to be falling by the wayside over the past couple of 
> years.

I find it so odd that there were so few who bought Thoth after
Mavericks killed MT-NW. I was so happy to find Thoth and jumped right
on board. 

Brian has been exceptional in providing support and fixes. 

I guess there aren't many usenet users anymore.

-- 
m-m
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#19861

In article <101220130300545432%nospam.m-m@ny.more>, M-M
<nospam.m-m@ny.more> wrote:

> I guess there aren't many usenet users anymore.

This is the real problem.  Mostly just us old-timers from before HTTP
days.

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#19867

On 2013-12-10 16:19:02 +0000, A N Niel said:

> In article <101220130300545432%nospam.m-m@ny.more>, M-M
> <nospam.m-m@ny.more> wrote:
> 
>> I guess there aren't many usenet users anymore.
> 
> This is the real problem.  Mostly just us old-timers from before HTTP
> days.

Not even many of us for that matter.  A number of years ago when the 
ISPs were doing usenet, our local one went down.  I was out of town 
when it happened and the way the usenet server worked then was I had to 
be on my ISP to actually use it.  I called when I came home to find it 
down.  Tech told me it had been down 3 days and I was only the 2nd one 
to notice.

With usenet dieing a slow death, it is damned hard for someone to make 
any money writing an app to access it.  And that's what Brian is 
fighting.  A losing battle, imo.  :(

-- 
Lloyd

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