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Re: Local Mail

From	Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies>
Newsgroups	comp.sys.mac.apps
Subject	Re: Local Mail
Date	2014-01-27 18:29 +0000
Organization	Miskatonic U
Message-ID	<slrnled9cd.vqk.g.kreme@amelia.local> (permalink)
References	(6 earlier) <lbm8rj$2fv$1@dont-email.me> <barmar-860321.17475421012014@news.eternal-september.org> <lbuaef$9r0$1@reader2.panix.com> <slrnle72kf.31gj.g.kreme@amelia.local> <lc62kh$96d$1@reader2.panix.com>

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In message <lc62kh$96d$1@reader2.panix.com> 
  billy@MIX.COM <billy@MIX.COM> wrote:
> Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> writes, quoting me:

>> > Port 465 (using TLS/SSL) is almost always a better choice.
>> 
>> No. Port 465 is a legacy port for LookOut and LookOut express. Most mail
>> servers do not even support it.
>> 
>> 587 is submission, and is the only port that should be used for sending
>> mail.

> My experience has been that on a practical level (I work in many
> places, and run into a pretty good variety of people trying to send
> email) port 465 works more often than 587.  Some of this is due to
> 587 being filtered in firewalls (Warner Bros is or maybe was a good
> example of that), and some of it is from 587 not being supported at
> the MTA.

MTAs certainly support submission.

> This includes my postmaster, who says it has caused as
> much a problem as it solves.

Then he's an idiot.

> He says 465 should be used if possible,

Yep, a blithering blinkered msftie dumbass.  465 should *never* be used.

> then STARTTLS on 25

No mail submission should be allowed on port 25. STARTTLS on port 587.

> or 2525.

OMG. No.

> He travels a lot, and has found half the time no one cares, 24% of the
> time 25 is blocked and 2525 is ok, and 24% of the time 2525 is blocked
> and 2525 is allowed.  For the remaining 2%, a VPN client is necessary.

Anyone who blocks port 587 should be beaten with aluminium bats and left
on the side of the road.

-- 
Technically, Aziraphale was a Principality, but people made jokes about
that these days

Thread

Local Mail Robert Peirce <bob@peirce-family.com> - 2014-01-19 11:35 -0500
  Re: Local Mail Robert Peirce <bob@peirce-family.com> - 2014-01-19 11:40 -0500
  Re: Local Mail Michael Vilain <vilain@NOspamcop.net> - 2014-01-19 11:50 -0800
    Re: Local Mail Robert Peirce <bob@peirce-family.com> - 2014-01-19 15:19 -0500
      Re: Local Mail Michael Vilain <vilain@NOspamcop.net> - 2014-01-19 15:16 -0800
        Re: Local Mail Robert Peirce <bob@peirce-family.com> - 2014-01-20 18:35 -0500
          Re: Local Mail Robert Peirce <bob@peirce-family.com> - 2014-01-21 10:42 -0500
            Re: Local Mail Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> - 2014-01-21 11:07 -0500
              Re: Local Mail Robert Peirce <bob@peirce-family.com> - 2014-01-21 12:02 -0500
            Re: Local Mail Michael Vilain <vilain@NOspamcop.net> - 2014-01-22 02:25 -0800
              Re: Local Mail Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> - 2014-01-22 10:24 -0500
                Re: Local Mail Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-01-22 16:22 +0000
                Re: Local Mail Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> - 2014-01-22 12:22 -0500
                Re: Local Mail Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-01-22 18:33 +0000
                Re: Local Mail Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> - 2014-01-22 14:40 -0500
                Re: Local Mail Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-01-22 22:16 +0000
              Re: Local Mail billy@MIX.COM - 2014-01-24 18:18 +0000
          Re: Local Mail Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> - 2014-01-21 10:46 -0500
            Re: Local Mail Robert Peirce <bob@peirce-family.com> - 2014-01-21 11:56 -0500
              Re: Local Mail Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> - 2014-01-21 17:47 -0500
                Re: Local Mail billy@MIX.COM - 2014-01-24 18:12 +0000
                Re: Local Mail Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> - 2014-01-24 14:16 -0500
                Re: Local Mail Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-01-25 09:57 +0000
                Re: Local Mail billy@MIX.COM - 2014-01-27 16:48 +0000
                Re: Local Mail Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> - 2014-01-27 12:50 -0500
                Re: Local Mail billy@MIX.COM - 2014-01-27 19:31 +0000
                Re: Local Mail Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-01-27 18:29 +0000
                Re: Local Mail billy@MIX.COM - 2014-01-27 19:27 +0000
                Re: Local Mail Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-01-28 00:27 +0000
                Re: Local Mail billy@MIX.COM - 2014-01-28 05:58 +0000
                Re: Local Mail Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-01-28 16:46 +0000
      Re: Local Mail Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-01-19 23:58 +0000
        Re: Local Mail Robert Peirce <bob@peirce-family.com> - 2014-01-20 19:07 -0500
    Re: Local Mail Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-01-19 21:26 +0000

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