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| Started by | Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> |
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| First post | 2026-10-08 23:23 +0000 |
| Last post | 2026-10-10 18:35 -0700 |
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Another Reason Why Apple Is Not Unix Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-10-08 23:23 +0000
Re: Another Reason Why Apple Is Not Unix Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-10-08 23:43 +0000
Re: Another Reason Why Apple Is Not Unix Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-10-11 21:35 +0000
Re: Another Reason Why Apple Is Not Unix Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-10-12 00:09 +0000
Re: Another Reason Why Apple Is Not Unix Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2026-10-12 15:58 -0700
Re: Another Reason Why Apple Is Not Unix CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2026-10-12 19:23 -0400
Re: Another Reason Why Apple Is Not Unix "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-10-12 19:37 -0400
Re: Another Reason Why Apple Is Not Unix Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2026-10-12 16:47 -0700
Re: Another Reason Why Apple Is Not Unix "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-10-12 19:58 -0400
Re: Another Reason Why Apple Is Not Unix Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2026-10-12 18:33 -0700
Re: Another Reason Why Apple Is Not Unix CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2026-10-13 07:48 -0400
Re: Another Reason Why Apple Is Not Unix "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-10-13 14:24 -0400
Re: Another Reason Why Apple Is Not Unix CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2026-10-12 20:35 -0400
Re: Another Reason Why Apple Is Not Unix "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-10-13 14:21 -0400
Re: Another Reason Why Apple Is Not Unix Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2026-10-13 11:25 -0700
Re: Another Reason Why Apple Is Not Unix "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-10-13 16:22 -0400
Re: Another Reason Why Apple Is Not Unix Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2026-10-13 14:32 -0700
Re: Another Reason Why Apple Is Not Unix CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2026-10-13 17:09 -0400
Re: Another Reason Why Apple Is Not Unix "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-10-13 17:13 -0400
Re: Another Reason Why Apple Is Not Unix Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2026-10-13 14:34 -0700
Re: Another Reason Why Apple Is Not Unix CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2026-10-13 19:38 -0400
Re: Another Reason Why Apple Is Not Unix Brock McNuggets <Brock.McNuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-10-12 16:54 -0700
Re: Another Reason Why Apple Is Not Unix Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2026-10-08 16:46 -0700
Re: Another Reason Why Apple's OS IS in fact Unix (was: Another Reason Why Apple Is Not Unix) Nick Charles <none@none.none> - 2026-10-09 00:56 +0000
Re: Another Reason Why Apple Is Not Unix Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-10-09 01:06 +0000
Re: Another Reason Why Apple Is Not Unix Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2026-10-08 19:28 -0700
Re: Another Reason Why Apple Is Not Unix CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2026-10-09 08:25 -0400
Re: Another Reason Why Apple Is Not Unix John Bokma <contact@johnbokma.com> - 2026-10-09 14:40 +0200
Re: Another Reason Why Apple Is Not Unix CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2026-10-09 09:09 -0400
Re: Another Reason Why Apple Is Not Unix Nick Charles <nunya@none.none> - 2026-10-09 14:41 +0000
Re: Another Reason Why Apple Is Not Unix CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2026-10-09 11:00 -0400
Re: Another Reason Why Apple Is Not Unix Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-10-10 20:21 +0000
Re: Another Reason Why Apple Is Not Unix Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2026-10-10 17:11 -0700
Re: Another Reason Why Apple Is Not Unix Brock McNuggets <Brock.McNuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-10-12 00:36 -0700
Re: Another Reason Why Apple Is Not Unix Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-10-10 20:17 +0000
Re: Another Reason Why Apple Is Not Unix Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2026-10-10 17:13 -0700
Re: Another Reason Why Apple Is Not Unix CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2026-10-10 20:38 -0400
Re: Another Reason Why Apple Is Not Unix Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-10-11 15:12 +0000
Re: Another Reason Why Apple Is Not Unix Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-10-11 21:29 +0000
Re: Another Reason Why Apple Is Not Unix Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-10-11 22:09 +0000
Re: Another Reason Why Apple Is Not Unix Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2026-10-12 15:45 -0700
Re: Another Reason Why Apple Is Not Unix Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2026-10-09 09:10 -0700
Re: Another Reason Why Apple Is Not Unix Nick Charles <nunya@none.none> - 2026-10-09 14:41 +0000
Re: Another Reason Why Apple Is Not Unix CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2026-10-09 11:02 -0400
Re: Another Reason Why Apple Is Not Unix Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2026-10-09 09:11 -0700
Re: Another Reason Why Apple Is Not Unix "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-10-09 14:32 -0400
Re: Another Reason Why Apple Is Not Unix CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2026-10-09 17:13 -0400
Re: Another Reason Why Apple Is Not Unix "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-10-09 18:36 -0400
Re: Another Reason Why Apple Is Not Unix rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-09 19:14 +0000
Re: Another Reason Why Apple Is Not Unix Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2026-10-09 12:48 -0700
Re: Another Reason Why Apple Is Not Unix CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2026-10-09 17:14 -0400
Re: Another Reason Why Apple Is Not Unix rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-10 01:36 +0000
Re: Another Reason Why Apple Is Not Unix "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-10-09 21:40 -0400
Re: Another Reason Why Apple Is Not Unix CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2026-10-10 07:34 -0400
Re: Another Reason Why Apple Is Not Unix "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-10-11 15:24 -0400
Re: Another Reason Why Apple Is Not Unix CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2026-10-11 21:16 -0400
Re: Another Reason Why Apple Is Not Unix "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-10-11 21:23 -0400
Re: Another Reason Why Apple Is Not Unix CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2026-10-11 21:32 -0400
Re: Another Reason Why Apple Is Not Unix rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-12 04:10 +0000
Re: Another Reason Why Apple Is Not Unix Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2026-10-09 19:06 -0700
Re: Another Reason Why Apple Is Not Unix CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2026-10-10 07:38 -0400
A diversion into iOS vs Android (was Re: Another Reason Why Apple Is Not Unix Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2026-10-10 12:42 -0700
Re: A diversion into iOS vs Android (was Re: Another Reason Why Apple Is Not Unix CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2026-10-10 20:37 -0400
Re: A diversion into iOS vs Android (was Re: Another Reason Why Apple Is Not Unix Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2026-10-10 18:34 -0700
Re: A diversion into iOS vs Android (was Re: Another Reason Why Apple Is Not Unix CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2026-10-10 21:42 -0400
Re: A diversion into iOS vs Android (was Re: Another Reason Why Apple Is Not Unix "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-10-11 15:37 -0400
Re: A diversion into iOS vs Android (was Re: Another Reason Why Apple Is Not Unix Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2026-10-11 13:40 -0700
Re: A diversion into iOS vs Android (was Re: Another Reason Why Apple Is Not Unix "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-10-11 16:55 -0400
Re: A diversion into iOS vs Android (was Re: Another Reason Why Apple Is Not Unix Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2026-10-12 12:06 -0700
Re: A diversion into iOS vs Android (was Re: Another Reason Why Apple Is Not Unix "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-10-12 15:33 -0400
Re: A diversion into iOS vs Android (was Re: Another Reason Why Apple Is Not Unix Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2026-10-12 12:54 -0700
Re: A diversion into iOS vs Android (was Re: Another Reason Why Apple Is Not Unix "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-10-12 16:19 -0400
Re: A diversion into iOS vs Android (was Re: Another Reason Why Apple Is Not Unix Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2026-10-12 13:49 -0700
Re: A diversion into iOS vs Android (was Re: Another Reason Why Apple Is Not Unix rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-13 00:47 +0000
Re: A diversion into iOS vs Android (was Re: Another Reason Why Apple Is Not Unix Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2026-10-11 07:41 -0400
Re: A diversion into iOS vs Android (was Re: Another Reason Why Apple Is Not Unix Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2026-10-11 13:44 -0700
Re: A diversion into iOS vs Android (was Re: Another Reason Why Apple Is Not Unix "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-10-11 16:57 -0400
Re: A diversion into iOS vs Android (was Re: Another Reason Why Apple Is Not Unix rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-12 04:23 +0000
Re: A diversion into iOS vs Android (was Re: Another Reason Why Apple Is Not Unix "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-10-12 00:29 -0400
Re: A diversion into iOS vs Android (was Re: Another Reason Why Apple Is Not Unix CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2026-10-12 07:07 -0400
Re: A diversion into iOS vs Android (was Re: Another Reason Why Apple Is Not Unix "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-10-12 07:11 -0400
Re: A diversion into iOS vs Android (was Re: Another Reason Why Apple Is Not Unix CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2026-10-12 07:51 -0400
Re: A diversion into iOS vs Android (was Re: Another Reason Why Apple Is Not Unix rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-12 18:54 +0000
Re: A diversion into iOS vs Android (was Re: Another Reason Why Apple Is Not Unix Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2026-10-12 12:07 -0700
Re: A diversion into iOS vs Android (was Re: Another Reason Why Apple Is Not Unix CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2026-10-11 21:25 -0400
Re: A diversion into iOS vs Android (was Re: Another Reason Why Apple Is Not Unix CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2026-10-11 21:12 -0400
Re: A diversion into iOS vs Android (was Re: Another Reason Why Apple Is Not Unix Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2026-10-12 12:09 -0700
Re: Another Reason Why Apple Is Not Unix Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2026-10-10 12:17 -0400
Re: Another Reason Why Apple Is Not Unix Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2026-10-10 12:43 -0700
Re: Another Reason Why Apple Is Not Unix Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2026-10-11 07:49 -0400
Re: Another Reason Why Apple Is Not Unix Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2026-10-11 13:45 -0700
Re: Another Reason Why Apple Is Not Unix CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2026-10-10 07:29 -0400
Re: Another Reason Why Apple Is Not Unix rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-10 20:24 +0000
Re: Another Reason Why Apple Is Not Unix CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2026-10-10 20:40 -0400
Re: Another Reason Why Apple Is Not Unix Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2026-10-10 18:35 -0700
Re: Another Reason Why Apple Is Not Unix WolfFan <akwolffan@zoho.com> - 2026-10-09 18:36 -0400
Re: Another Reason Why Apple Is Not Unix Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2026-10-10 12:13 -0400
Re: Another Reason Why Apple Is Not Unix rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-10 20:21 +0000
Re: Another Reason Why Apple Is Not Unix CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2026-10-10 20:36 -0400
Re: Another Reason Why Apple Is Not Unix rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-11 03:57 +0000
Re: Another Reason Why Apple Is Not Unix Nick Charles <none@none.none> - 2026-10-10 01:08 +0000
Re: Another Reason Why Apple Is Not Unix CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2026-10-09 22:27 -0400
Re: Another Reason Why Apple Is Not Unix Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-10-10 20:14 +0000
Re: Another Reason Why Apple Is Not Unix Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-10-09 17:44 +0000
Re: Another Reason Why Apple Is Not Unix Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-10-10 20:16 +0000
Re: Another Reason Why Apple Is Not Unix Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-10-10 21:32 +0000
Re: Another Reason Why Apple Is Not Unix Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-10-10 23:03 +0000
Re: THE Reason Why Apple MacOS IS Unix (was: Another Reason Why Apple Is Not Unix) Nick Charles <none@none.none> - 2026-10-11 00:18 +0000
Re: THE Reason Why Apple MacOS IS Unix (was: Another Reason Why Apple Is Not Unix) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-10-11 00:41 +0000
Re: THE Reason Why Apple MacOS IS Unix Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2026-10-10 18:38 -0700
Re: THE Reason Why Apple MacOS IS Unix Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-10-11 15:13 +0000
Re: Another Reason Why Apple Is Not Unix Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-10-11 21:34 +0000
Re: Another Reason Why Apple Is Not Unix Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-10-11 22:12 +0000
Re: Another Reason Why Apple Is Not Unix CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2026-10-11 21:27 -0400
Re: Another Reason Why Apple Is Not Unix Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2026-10-12 12:10 -0700
Re: Another Reason Why Apple Is Not Unix Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2026-10-10 18:37 -0700
Re: Another Reason Why Apple Is Not Unix Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-10-11 15:06 +0000
Re: Another Reason Why Apple Is Not Unix Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-10-11 21:40 +0000
Re: Another Reason Why Apple Is Not Unix Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-10-11 23:12 +0000
Re: Another Reason Why Apple Is Not Unix "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-10-11 19:26 -0400
Re: Another Reason Why Apple Is Not Unix Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-10-12 00:12 +0000
Re: Another Reason Why Apple Is Not Unix "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-10-11 20:23 -0400
Re: Another Reason Why Apple Is Not Unix Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-10-12 04:58 +0000
Re: Another Reason Why Apple Is Not Unix "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-10-12 03:02 -0400
Re: Another Reason Why Apple Is Not Unix Brock McNuggets <Brock.McNuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-10-12 00:32 -0700
Re: Another Reason Why Apple Is Not Unix Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2026-10-12 12:59 -0700
Re: Another Reason Why Apple Is Not Unix "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-10-12 16:21 -0400
Re: Another Reason Why Apple Is Not Unix Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2026-10-12 13:50 -0700
Re: Another Reason Why Apple Is Not Unix "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-10-12 16:56 -0400
Re: Another Reason Why Apple Is Not Unix rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-13 00:35 +0000
Re: Another Reason Why Apple Is Not Unix Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2026-10-10 18:35 -0700
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| From | Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> |
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| Date | 2026-10-12 15:45 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <11ajnv7$20kk$4@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #149343 |
On 2026-10-11 14:29, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote: > On 11 Oct 2026 15:12:07 GMT, Brock McNuggets wrote: > >> Lawrence: >> >> Apple builds the GUI directly into the OS kernel... >> >> Told repeatedly he is completely wrong.... >> >> .... ignores it. > > You are wrong. No, he is not wrong. 1. You can start up macOS in single-user mode and have no GUI whatsover. 2. The idea that just because you're prevented from deleting something means it must be part of the kernel is absurd on its face.
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| From | Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> |
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| Date | 2026-10-09 09:10 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <11ab3kr$upbs$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #149253 |
On 2026-10-09 05:25, CrudeSausage wrote: > On 2026-10-08 10:28 p.m., Alan wrote: >> On 2026-10-08 18:06, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote: >>> On Fri, 09 Oct 2026 00:56:45 +0000, Nick Charles wrote: >>> >>>> On Oct 8, 2026 at 7:23:12 PM EDT, "Lawrence D´Oliveiro" >>>> <ldo@nz.invalid> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Quite amusing to discover that an app for Iphone that offers a >>>>> Unix-style shell was threatened with removal by Apple >>>>> <https://www.notebookcheck.net/Unix-shell-app-for-iOS-threatened- >>>>> with-removal-but-Apple-backtracks-on-decision.503414.0.html> >>>> >>>> An article from 6 YEARS ago is "another" reason? >>> >>> The app is still in the App Store, so the reason remains current, yes. >>> >>> And the fact that it mentions that it makes your precious Apple >>> platform “Linux-like“, rather than “Unix-like”, is like a delicious >>> icing on top of the cake. >> >> Which is simply because these days far more people will have HEARD of >> Linux. >> >>> >>>> Yes, MacOS/iOS/iPadOS are all the same Unix OS. >>> >>> I pointed out elsewhere why they are not. But if course you ran away >>> from that, didn’t you? >> Funnily, "The Open Group official register of UNIX Certified Products" >> disagrees: >> >> Right there at the top: >> >> 'Apple Inc.: macOS version 26.0 Tahoe on Apple silicon-based Mac >> computers >> >> Apple Inc.: macOS version 26.0 Tahoe on Intel-based Mac computers >> >> <https://www.opengroup.org/openbrand/register/> >> >> But we should believe you, right? > > I hate to interrupt this bitchfest, but I clicked on the link and don't > see Apple anywhere: <https://www.pasteboard.co/BVlIL2MN9fVU.png> > I don't know what to tell you. It was clearly there when I posted that link, and I just checked it again right now: <https://www.pasteboard.co/gTSjL-HY_ygi.png>
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| From | Nick Charles <nunya@none.none> |
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| Date | 2026-10-09 14:41 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <OP-cnUhjA7SIYFX3nZ2dnZfqn_EAAAAA@supernews.com> |
| In reply to | #149247 |
Lawrence D´Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote: > On Fri, 09 Oct 2026 00:56:45 +0000, Nick Charles wrote: > >> On Oct 8, 2026 at 7:23:12 PM EDT, "Lawrence D´Oliveiro" <ldo@nz.invalid> >> wrote: >> >>> Quite amusing to discover that an app for Iphone that offers a >>> Unix-style shell was threatened with removal by Apple >>> <https://www.notebookcheck.net/Unix-shell-app-for-iOS-threatened-with-removal-but-Apple-backtracks-on-decision.503414.0.html> >> >> An article from 6 YEARS ago is "another" reason? > > The app is still in the App Store, so the reason remains current, yes. > > And the fact that it mentions that it makes your precious Apple > platform “Linux-like“, rather than “Unix-like”, is like a delicious > icing on top of the cake. > >> Yes, MacOS/iOS/iPadOS are all the same Unix OS. > > I pointed out elsewhere why they are not. But if course you ran away > from that, didn’t you? You claiming that MacOS is not Unix is not “pointing it out”. The fact that MacOS IS Unix has been proven to you multiple times. Right here in this thread. Will you admit you are wrong? Or will you run away again?
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| From | CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> |
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| Date | 2026-10-09 11:02 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <6ac901ed$0$27$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com> |
| In reply to | #149258 |
On 2026-10-09 10:41 a.m., Nick Charles wrote: > Lawrence D´Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote: >> On Fri, 09 Oct 2026 00:56:45 +0000, Nick Charles wrote: >> >>> On Oct 8, 2026 at 7:23:12 PM EDT, "Lawrence D´Oliveiro" <ldo@nz.invalid> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Quite amusing to discover that an app for Iphone that offers a >>>> Unix-style shell was threatened with removal by Apple >>>> <https://www.notebookcheck.net/Unix-shell-app-for-iOS-threatened-with-removal-but-Apple-backtracks-on-decision.503414.0.html> >>> >>> An article from 6 YEARS ago is "another" reason? >> >> The app is still in the App Store, so the reason remains current, yes. >> >> And the fact that it mentions that it makes your precious Apple >> platform “Linux-like“, rather than “Unix-like”, is like a delicious >> icing on top of the cake. >> >>> Yes, MacOS/iOS/iPadOS are all the same Unix OS. >> >> I pointed out elsewhere why they are not. But if course you ran away >> from that, didn’t you? > > You claiming that MacOS is not Unix is not “pointing it out”. > > The fact that MacOS IS Unix has been proven to you multiple times. Right > here in this thread. Will you admit you are wrong? Or will you run away > again? I like Lawrence, but he needs to move on from the idea that Linux and open-source provides a superior experience to Apple and MacOS. People have eyes and ears, and none of those people with vision and hearing have looked at Linux and said "this is what I want." -- CrudeSausage MacBook Air M4 iPhone 13 Friendly Apple zealot
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| From | Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> |
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| Date | 2026-10-09 09:11 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <11ab3o4$upbs$2@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #149260 |
On 2026-10-09 08:02, CrudeSausage wrote: > On 2026-10-09 10:41 a.m., Nick Charles wrote: >> Lawrence D´Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote: >>> On Fri, 09 Oct 2026 00:56:45 +0000, Nick Charles wrote: >>> >>>> On Oct 8, 2026 at 7:23:12 PM EDT, "Lawrence D´Oliveiro" >>>> <ldo@nz.invalid> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Quite amusing to discover that an app for Iphone that offers a >>>>> Unix-style shell was threatened with removal by Apple >>>>> <https://www.notebookcheck.net/Unix-shell-app-for-iOS-threatened- >>>>> with-removal-but-Apple-backtracks-on-decision.503414.0.html> >>>> >>>> An article from 6 YEARS ago is "another" reason? >>> >>> The app is still in the App Store, so the reason remains current, yes. >>> >>> And the fact that it mentions that it makes your precious Apple >>> platform “Linux-like“, rather than “Unix-like”, is like a delicious >>> icing on top of the cake. >>> >>>> Yes, MacOS/iOS/iPadOS are all the same Unix OS. >>> >>> I pointed out elsewhere why they are not. But if course you ran away >>> from that, didn’t you? >> >> You claiming that MacOS is not Unix is not “pointing it out”. >> >> The fact that MacOS IS Unix has been proven to you multiple times. >> Right >> here in this thread. Will you admit you are wrong? Or will you run >> away >> again? > > I like Lawrence, but he needs to move on from the idea that Linux and > open-source provides a superior experience to Apple and MacOS. People > have eyes and ears, and none of those people with vision and hearing > have looked at Linux and said "this is what I want." > Now, now, be fair! A few people (very few) have! ;-)
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| From | "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2026-10-09 14:32 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <11abbvf$128op$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #149262 |
On 10/9/2026 12:11 PM, Alan wrote: > On 2026-10-09 08:02, CrudeSausage wrote: >> On 2026-10-09 10:41 a.m., Nick Charles wrote: >>> >>> You claiming that MacOS is not Unix is not “pointing it out”. >>> >>> The fact that MacOS IS Unix has been proven to you multiple times. Right >>> here in this thread. Will you admit you are wrong? Or will you >>> run away >>> again? >> >> I like Lawrence, but he needs to move on from the idea that Linux and >> open-source provides a superior experience to Apple and MacOS. People >> have eyes and ears, and none of those people with vision and hearing >> have looked at Linux and said "this is what I want." > > Now, now, be fair! > > A few people (very few) have! > > ;-) It's possible to use Linux extremely well. But I would argue that macOS's experience with Unix applications is quite good. -- Joel W. Crump
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| From | CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> |
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| Date | 2026-10-09 17:13 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <6ac958f7$0$18$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com> |
| In reply to | #149266 |
On 2026-10-09 2:32 p.m., Joel W. Crump wrote: > On 10/9/2026 12:11 PM, Alan wrote: >> On 2026-10-09 08:02, CrudeSausage wrote: >>> On 2026-10-09 10:41 a.m., Nick Charles wrote: >>>> >>>> You claiming that MacOS is not Unix is not “pointing it out”. >>>> >>>> The fact that MacOS IS Unix has been proven to you multiple times. >>>> Right >>>> here in this thread. Will you admit you are wrong? Or will you >>>> run away >>>> again? >>> >>> I like Lawrence, but he needs to move on from the idea that Linux and >>> open-source provides a superior experience to Apple and MacOS. People >>> have eyes and ears, and none of those people with vision and hearing >>> have looked at Linux and said "this is what I want." >> >> Now, now, be fair! >> >> A few people (very few) have! >> >> ;-) > > > It's possible to use Linux extremely well. It is, but Linux experts are themselves constantly fixing their installations and then lying to you and saying that there is never a need for them to do so. It's just boring at this point. I've waited for the operating system to make progress for decades and while it is decent, it's just never going to be on the level of MacOS. Heck, even Windows is less of a hassle than Linux is. > But I would argue that > macOS's experience with Unix applications is quite good. It's stellar. You have just enough UNIX as you would need, but the rest of it is a polished operating system that works the way the human mind does. It takes a little bit of getting used to coming from Windows, but a person who has never used a computer in their life is a lot more likely to learn MacOS properly than either Windows or Linux because it makes sense. -- CrudeSausage MacBook Air M4 iPhone 13 Friendly Apple zealot
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| From | "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2026-10-09 18:36 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <11abq8m$17k99$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #149274 |
On 10/9/2026 5:13 PM, CrudeSausage wrote: > On 2026-10-09 2:32 p.m., Joel W. Crump wrote: >> On 10/9/2026 12:11 PM, Alan wrote: >>> On 2026-10-09 08:02, CrudeSausage wrote: >>>> On 2026-10-09 10:41 a.m., Nick Charles wrote: >>>>> >>>>> You claiming that MacOS is not Unix is not “pointing it out”. >>>>> >>>>> The fact that MacOS IS Unix has been proven to you multiple times. >>>>> Right >>>>> here in this thread. Will you admit you are wrong? Or will you >>>>> run away >>>>> again? >>>> >>>> I like Lawrence, but he needs to move on from the idea that Linux >>>> and open-source provides a superior experience to Apple and MacOS. >>>> People have eyes and ears, and none of those people with vision and >>>> hearing have looked at Linux and said "this is what I want." >>> >>> Now, now, be fair! >>> >>> A few people (very few) have! >>> >>> ;-) >> >> It's possible to use Linux extremely well. > > It is, but Linux experts are themselves constantly fixing their > installations and then lying to you and saying that there is never a > need for them to do so. It's just boring at this point. I've waited for > the operating system to make progress for decades and while it is > decent, it's just never going to be on the level of MacOS. Heck, even > Windows is less of a hassle than Linux is. > >> But I would argue that macOS's experience with Unix applications is >> quite good. > > It's stellar. You have just enough UNIX as you would need, but the rest > of it is a polished operating system that works the way the human mind > does. It takes a little bit of getting used to coming from Windows, but > a person who has never used a computer in their life is a lot more > likely to learn MacOS properly than either Windows or Linux because it > makes sense. There are human minds which like Apple and it may be that this is going to be a hell of a lot more significant than people realized. Because Microsoft has big ground to potentially lose. I think the gaming/graphical support will be both macOS-centric and emulation-of-Windows-centric, depending what one is doing, there's a way for Apple to exploit its success in laptops to the Nth degree if they really conceive of the product line it would take, and why couldn't they accomplish this? -- Joel W. Crump
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2026-10-09 19:14 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <nisso8F6daqU5@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #149260 |
On Fri, 9 Oct 2026 11:02:05 -0400, CrudeSausage wrote: > I like Lawrence, but he needs to move on from the idea that Linux and > open-source provides a superior experience to Apple and MacOS. People > have eyes and ears, and none of those people with vision and hearing > have looked at Linux and said "this is what I want." I have never used macOS but I have used AIX which is a certified UNIX V& and UNIX 03 OS. I prefer Linux.
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| From | Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> |
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| Date | 2026-10-09 12:48 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <11abgf8$1409g$2@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #149268 |
On 2026-10-09 12:14, rbowman wrote: > On Fri, 9 Oct 2026 11:02:05 -0400, CrudeSausage wrote: > >> I like Lawrence, but he needs to move on from the idea that Linux and >> open-source provides a superior experience to Apple and MacOS. People >> have eyes and ears, and none of those people with vision and hearing >> have looked at Linux and said "this is what I want." > > I have never used macOS but I have used AIX which is a certified UNIX V& > and UNIX 03 OS. I prefer Linux. Nothing wrong with that. But most people have a different preference.
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| From | CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> |
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| Date | 2026-10-09 17:14 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <6ac95925$0$18$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com> |
| In reply to | #149268 |
On 2026-10-09 3:14 p.m., rbowman wrote: > On Fri, 9 Oct 2026 11:02:05 -0400, CrudeSausage wrote: > >> I like Lawrence, but he needs to move on from the idea that Linux and >> open-source provides a superior experience to Apple and MacOS. People >> have eyes and ears, and none of those people with vision and hearing >> have looked at Linux and said "this is what I want." > > I have never used macOS but I have used AIX which is a certified UNIX V& > and UNIX 03 OS. I prefer Linux. The first led to the second. That's all I will say. Without that experience with UNIX, you probably wouldn't be as forgiving of Linux's mediocrity. -- CrudeSausage MacBook Air M4 iPhone 13 Friendly Apple zealot
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2026-10-10 01:36 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <nitj40F6daqU15@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #149275 |
On Fri, 9 Oct 2026 17:14:13 -0400, CrudeSausage wrote: > The first led to the second. That's all I will say. Without that > experience with UNIX, you probably wouldn't be as forgiving of Linux's > mediocrity. I think the only mediocrity involved is your inability to maintain a Linux OS.
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| From | "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2026-10-09 21:40 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <11ac538$1b0hr$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #149284 |
On 10/9/2026 9:36 PM, rbowman wrote: > On Fri, 9 Oct 2026 17:14:13 -0400, CrudeSausage wrote: > >> The first led to the second. That's all I will say. Without that >> experience with UNIX, you probably wouldn't be as forgiving of Linux's >> mediocrity. > > I think the only mediocrity involved is your inability to maintain a Linux > OS. I booted and updated mine, today. It seems to have cost me using my TV as a second monitor, swapping all the cables, but my TV doesn't need the connection really. I can't get back into Linux mindset. It's just not as good an experience, no way to save that. -- Joel W. Crump
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| From | CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> |
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| Date | 2026-10-10 07:34 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <6aca22c4$0$27$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com> |
| In reply to | #149285 |
On 2026-10-09 9:40 p.m., Joel W. Crump wrote: > On 10/9/2026 9:36 PM, rbowman wrote: >> On Fri, 9 Oct 2026 17:14:13 -0400, CrudeSausage wrote: >> >>> The first led to the second. That's all I will say. Without that >>> experience with UNIX, you probably wouldn't be as forgiving of Linux's >>> mediocrity. >> >> I think the only mediocrity involved is your inability to maintain a >> Linux >> OS. > > > I booted and updated mine, today. It seems to have cost me using my TV > as a second monitor, swapping all the cables, but my TV doesn't need the > connection really. I can't get back into Linux mindset. It's just not > as good an experience, no way to save that. We both tried (me probably for much longer than you) and gave up. We're both tired of fighting with our operating system and acting like the dated, clunky experience we're given is somehow better than the competition. The filesystems are better than NTFS, I'll give them that much, but they're not better than APFS in any significant way. The desktop experience is also not more elegant than MacOS or noticeably faster than Windows (the latter might appear clunky, but it still loads and responds as quickly on the same hardware). It's definitely more private than Windows and MacOS are, but what does it matter when we learn that all of us are being surveilled regardless of what operating system we run? -- CrudeSausage MacBook Air M4 iPhone 13 Friendly Apple zealot
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| From | "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2026-10-11 15:24 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <11agnpb$2ui8o$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #149293 |
On 10/10/2026 7:34 AM, CrudeSausage wrote: > On 2026-10-09 9:40 p.m., Joel W. Crump wrote: >> On 10/9/2026 9:36 PM, rbowman wrote: >>> On Fri, 9 Oct 2026 17:14:13 -0400, CrudeSausage wrote: >>> >>>> The first led to the second. That's all I will say. Without that >>>> experience with UNIX, you probably wouldn't be as forgiving of Linux's >>>> mediocrity. >>> >>> I think the only mediocrity involved is your inability to maintain a >>> Linux >>> OS. >> >> I booted and updated mine, today. It seems to have cost me using my >> TV as a second monitor, swapping all the cables, but my TV doesn't >> need the connection really. I can't get back into Linux mindset. >> It's just not as good an experience, no way to save that. > > We both tried (me probably for much longer than you) I used Linux between 2019-2021 and 2023-2026, but have gotten over the fascination with it and have appreciated Win11 more. > and gave up. We're > both tired of fighting with our operating system I didn't have that experience with Linux, I just don't want the lesser experience more broadly. > and acting like the > dated, clunky experience we're given is somehow better than the > competition. The filesystems are better than NTFS, I'll give them that > much, but they're not better than APFS in any significant way. The > desktop experience is also not more elegant than MacOS or noticeably > faster than Windows (the latter might appear clunky, but it still loads > and responds as quickly on the same hardware). It's definitely more > private than Windows and MacOS are, but what does it matter when we > learn that all of us are being surveilled regardless of what operating > system we run? I can definitely say that only Larry is secure in using an OS, since he builds such a broken system, there's no place for the backdoor, but definitely Linux distros have them much like Windows. -- Joel W. Crump
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| From | CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> |
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| Date | 2026-10-11 21:16 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <6acc34fc$0$27$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com> |
| In reply to | #149335 |
On 2026-10-11 3:24 p.m., Joel W. Crump wrote: > On 10/10/2026 7:34 AM, CrudeSausage wrote: >> On 2026-10-09 9:40 p.m., Joel W. Crump wrote: >>> On 10/9/2026 9:36 PM, rbowman wrote: >>>> On Fri, 9 Oct 2026 17:14:13 -0400, CrudeSausage wrote: >>>> >>>>> The first led to the second. That's all I will say. Without that >>>>> experience with UNIX, you probably wouldn't be as forgiving of Linux's >>>>> mediocrity. >>>> >>>> I think the only mediocrity involved is your inability to maintain a >>>> Linux >>>> OS. >>> >>> I booted and updated mine, today. It seems to have cost me using my >>> TV as a second monitor, swapping all the cables, but my TV doesn't >>> need the connection really. I can't get back into Linux mindset. >>> It's just not as good an experience, no way to save that. >> >> We both tried (me probably for much longer than you) > > > I used Linux between 2019-2021 and 2023-2026, but have gotten over the > fascination with it and have appreciated Win11 more. As everyone knows, I've used Linux on and off since the late 90s. It has never been a long-term system for me, even when I had no hardware whatsoever and purposely bought a desktop for the purpose of using Ubuntu Linux when it had its first release. Even then, I returned to Windows. However, while Windows was my main system, I'll be the first to admit that its original install almost never stayed on my computer. There was always a reason to reinstall. MacOS is the only operating system I've never needed to reinstall. >> and gave up. We're both tired of fighting with our operating system > > > I didn't have that experience with Linux, I just don't want the lesser > experience more broadly. > > >> and acting like the dated, clunky experience we're given is somehow >> better than the competition. The filesystems are better than NTFS, >> I'll give them that much, but they're not better than APFS in any >> significant way. The desktop experience is also not more elegant than >> MacOS or noticeably faster than Windows (the latter might appear >> clunky, but it still loads and responds as quickly on the same >> hardware). It's definitely more private than Windows and MacOS are, >> but what does it matter when we learn that all of us are being >> surveilled regardless of what operating system we run? > > > I can definitely say that only Larry is secure in using an OS, since he > builds such a broken system, there's no place for the backdoor, but > definitely Linux distros have them much like Windows. Indeed. I subscribe to a bunch of RSS feeds which monitor such things for all operating systems. Linux is definitely not looking as safe as it used to, but the security problems that emerge always seem to be patched by the time the news about them is released. -- CrudeSausage MacBook Air M4 iPhone 13 Friendly Apple zealot
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| From | "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2026-10-11 21:23 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <11ahcr3$35n26$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #149355 |
On 10/11/2026 9:16 PM, CrudeSausage wrote: >>>> I can't get back into Linux mindset. >>>> It's just not as good an experience, no way to save that. >>> >>> We both tried (me probably for much longer than you) >> >> I used Linux between 2019-2021 and 2023-2026, but have gotten over the >> fascination with it and have appreciated Win11 more. > > As everyone knows, I've used Linux on and off since the late 90s. It has > never been a long-term system for me, even when I had no hardware > whatsoever and purposely bought a desktop for the purpose of using > Ubuntu Linux when it had its first release. Even then, I returned to > Windows. However, while Windows was my main system, I'll be the first to > admit that its original install almost never stayed on my computer. > There was always a reason to reinstall. MacOS is the only operating > system I've never needed to reinstall. I should care more about Linux, but looking at it again reminded me of why I don't. It's just not up to speed on the desktop. >>> and acting like the dated, clunky experience we're given is somehow >>> better than the competition. The filesystems are better than NTFS, >>> I'll give them that much, but they're not better than APFS in any >>> significant way. The desktop experience is also not more elegant than >>> MacOS or noticeably faster than Windows (the latter might appear >>> clunky, but it still loads and responds as quickly on the same >>> hardware). It's definitely more private than Windows and MacOS are, >>> but what does it matter when we learn that all of us are being >>> surveilled regardless of what operating system we run? >> >> I can definitely say that only Larry is secure in using an OS, since >> he builds such a broken system, there's no place for the backdoor, but >> definitely Linux distros have them much like Windows. > > Indeed. I subscribe to a bunch of RSS feeds which monitor such things > for all operating systems. Linux is definitely not looking as safe as it > used to, but the security problems that emerge always seem to be patched > by the time the news about them is released. I'm literally talking about the distro producers (and likely the NSA/etc.) having a planned backdoor, like M$ does in Windows. -- Joel W. Crump
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| From | CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> |
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| Date | 2026-10-11 21:32 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <6acc38b1$0$18$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com> |
| In reply to | #149356 |
On 2026-10-11 9:23 p.m., Joel W. Crump wrote: > On 10/11/2026 9:16 PM, CrudeSausage wrote: > >>>>> I can't get back into Linux mindset. It's just not as good an >>>>> experience, no way to save that. >>>> >>>> We both tried (me probably for much longer than you) >>> >>> I used Linux between 2019-2021 and 2023-2026, but have gotten over >>> the fascination with it and have appreciated Win11 more. >> >> As everyone knows, I've used Linux on and off since the late 90s. It >> has never been a long-term system for me, even when I had no hardware >> whatsoever and purposely bought a desktop for the purpose of using >> Ubuntu Linux when it had its first release. Even then, I returned to >> Windows. However, while Windows was my main system, I'll be the first >> to admit that its original install almost never stayed on my computer. >> There was always a reason to reinstall. MacOS is the only operating >> system I've never needed to reinstall. > > > I should care more about Linux, but looking at it again reminded me of > why I don't. It's just not up to speed on the desktop. There is nothing to know. Gnome is for the masses, KDE is for those who like Windows but wants lots of customization, X is for those who want a leaner desktop and something like Hyprland is for those, presumably, who do a lot of programming. >>>> and acting like the dated, clunky experience we're given is somehow >>>> better than the competition. The filesystems are better than NTFS, >>>> I'll give them that much, but they're not better than APFS in any >>>> significant way. The desktop experience is also not more elegant >>>> than MacOS or noticeably faster than Windows (the latter might >>>> appear clunky, but it still loads and responds as quickly on the >>>> same hardware). It's definitely more private than Windows and MacOS >>>> are, but what does it matter when we learn that all of us are being >>>> surveilled regardless of what operating system we run? >>> >>> I can definitely say that only Larry is secure in using an OS, since >>> he builds such a broken system, there's no place for the backdoor, >>> but definitely Linux distros have them much like Windows. >> >> Indeed. I subscribe to a bunch of RSS feeds which monitor such things >> for all operating systems. Linux is definitely not looking as safe as >> it used to, but the security problems that emerge always seem to be >> patched by the time the news about them is released. > > I'm literally talking about the distro producers (and likely the NSA/ > etc.) having a planned backdoor, like M$ does in Windows. Linux doesn't need to have backdoors because the hardware it runs on already does. It doesn't matter what operating system you use: if they want to monitor your activity, they can. -- CrudeSausage MacBook Air M4 iPhone 13 Friendly Apple zealot
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2026-10-12 04:10 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <nj34tqF6daqU51@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #149355 |
On Sun, 11 Oct 2026 21:16:44 -0400, CrudeSausage wrote: > Indeed. I subscribe to a bunch of RSS feeds which monitor such things > for all operating systems. Linux is definitely not looking as safe as it > used to, but the security problems that emerge always seem to be patched > by the time the news about them is released. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SELinux Both my Fedora and SUSE Tumbleweed machines use SELinux. CGNAT may or may not add a little security.
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| From | Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> |
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| Date | 2026-10-09 19:06 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <11ac6jc$1bemq$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #149284 |
On 2026-10-09 18:36, rbowman wrote: > On Fri, 9 Oct 2026 17:14:13 -0400, CrudeSausage wrote: > >> The first led to the second. That's all I will say. Without that >> experience with UNIX, you probably wouldn't be as forgiving of Linux's >> mediocrity. > > I think the only mediocrity involved is your inability to maintain a Linux > OS. I know you won't understand this... ...like it won't even penetrate your brain... ...but almost NO ONE wants to have to "maintain" anything.
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