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Why is the iPhone always lacking in basic industry standard hardware functionality?

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#136196

From	Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com>
Date	2025-08-02 08:02 +0000
Message-ID	<106kgnh$v88l$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to	#136195

Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
> On 2025-08-02, Marion <marion@facts.com> wrote:
>> On Fri, 1 Aug 2025 06:39:04 -0000 (UTC), Chris wrote :
>> 
>>>> Unjailbroken iOS can access ports below 1024 for servers, such as
>>>> for SMB.  Hence I fully agree there is this 1 thing iOS can do that
>>>> Android can't do. 
>>> 
>>> There are others...
>> 
>> Name it and I'll deny it and move the goal post around until you get
>> tired of dealing with my bullshit and I declare "victory".
> 
> FTFY

Accurate.

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#136198

From	Marion <marion@facts.com>
Date	2025-08-02 17:34 +0000
Message-ID	<106li7s$4f8$1@nnrp.usenet.blueworldhosting.com>
In reply to	#136196

On Sat, 2 Aug 2025 08:02:57 -0000 (UTC), Chris wrote :


>>>>> Unjailbroken iOS can access ports below 1024 for servers, such as
>>>>> for SMB.  Hence I fully agree there is this 1 thing iOS can do that
>>>>> Android can't do. 
>>>> 
>>>> There are others...
>>> 
>>> Name it and I'll deny it and move the goal post around until you get
>>> tired of dealing with my bullshit and I declare "victory".
>> 
>> FTFY
> 
> Accurate.

For the adult record, neither Chris nor Jolly Roger have come up with a
single item to back up their claim that "there are others" iOS can do.








Understanding why iOS is so astoundingly limited is a key step in adults
understanding Apple's strategy of designing iOS devices as dumb terminals.

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#136205

From	Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com>
Date	2025-08-03 17:17 +0000
Message-ID	<106o5ii$1nh9r$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to	#136198

Marion <marion@facts.com> wrote:
> On Sat, 2 Aug 2025 08:02:57 -0000 (UTC), Chris wrote :
> 
> 
>>>>>> Unjailbroken iOS can access ports below 1024 for servers, such as
>>>>>> for SMB.  Hence I fully agree there is this 1 thing iOS can do that
>>>>>> Android can't do. 
>>>>> 
>>>>> There are others...
>>>> 
>>>> Name it and I'll deny it and move the goal post around until you get
>>>> tired of dealing with my bullshit and I declare "victory".
>>> 
>>> FTFY
>> 
>> Accurate.
> 
> For the adult record, neither Chris nor Jolly Roger have come up with a
> single item to back up their claim that "there are others" iOS can do.
> 

FTR it is Arlen who famously makes unsubstantiated claims. Even when he's
been routinely corrected, he continues with the same claims for weeks and
months and years. 

True to form as described by JR Step 1 is denial. 

> Understanding why iOS is so astoundingly limited is a key step in adults
> understanding Apple's strategy of designing iOS devices as dumb terminals.

Step 2 - moving goal posts: Check!

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#136220

From	Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com>
Date	2025-08-04 00:05 +0000
Message-ID	<mfabpgFs0hjU3@mid.individual.net>
In reply to	#136205

On 2025-08-03, Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> wrote:
> Marion <marion@facts.com> wrote:
>> On Sat, 2 Aug 2025 08:02:57 -0000 (UTC), Chris wrote :
>> 
>>>>>>> Unjailbroken iOS can access ports below 1024 for servers, such
>>>>>>> as for SMB.  Hence I fully agree there is this 1 thing iOS can
>>>>>>> do that Android can't do. 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> There are others...
>>>>> 
>>>>> Name it and I'll deny it and move the goal post around until you
>>>>> get tired of dealing with my bullshit and I declare "victory".
>>>> 
>>>> FTFY
>>> 
>>> Accurate.
>> 
>> For the adult record, neither Chris nor Jolly Roger have come up with
>> a single item to back up their claim that "there are others" iOS can
>> do.
>> 
>
> FTR it is Arlen who famously makes unsubstantiated claims. Even when
> he's been routinely corrected, he continues with the same claims for
> weeks and months and years. 
>
> True to form as described by JR Step 1 is denial. 

And his pathology is on display here 24/7 for anyone to see for
themselves. It's no big secret how he operates. The guy is sick.

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#136358

From	Marion <marion@facts.com>
Date	2025-08-08 23:05 +0000
Message-ID	<1075vsj$1gp6$1@nnrp.usenet.blueworldhosting.com>
In reply to	#136220

On 4 Aug 2025 00:05:04 GMT, Jolly Roger wrote :


>>> For the adult record, neither Chris nor Jolly Roger have come up with
>>> a single item to back up their claim that "there are others" iOS can
>>> do.
>>> 
>>
>> FTR it is Arlen who famously makes unsubstantiated claims. Even when
>> he's been routinely corrected, he continues with the same claims for
>> weeks and months and years. 
>>
>> True to form as described by JR Step 1 is denial. 
> 
> And his pathology is on display here 24/7 for anyone to see for
> themselves. It's no big secret how he operates. The guy is sick.

Heh heh heh... 

The Apple trolls are deathly *afraid* of what amounts to a simple query:
 
 From: Marion <marion@facts.com>
 Newsgroups: misc.phone.mobile.iphone,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
 Subject: Is there really only one thing that iOS can do 
          that Android can't do?
 Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2025 17:37:54 -0000 (UTC)
 Message-ID: <106lidi$6h7$1@nnrp.usenet.blueworldhosting.com>

 In previous threads, I've proven by my own detailed testing, that there
 is at least one thing non-jailbroken iOS can do which unrooted Android 
 can't.

 But... is there anything else?


Once you know the answer to that question, you know a lot about Apple's
fundamental strategy of designing the iPhone as a crippled mobile device.

But until you can answer that question, you don't know anything at all.
Once you understand the answer, then I can begin to teach you why.

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#136396

From	Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com>
Date	2025-08-09 16:32 -0700
Message-ID	<1078lqt$1he7o$4@dont-email.me>
In reply to	#136358

On 2025-08-08 16:05, Marion wrote:
> On 4 Aug 2025 00:05:04 GMT, Jolly Roger wrote :
> 
> 
>>>> For the adult record, neither Chris nor Jolly Roger have come up with
>>>> a single item to back up their claim that "there are others" iOS can
>>>> do.
>>>>
>>> FTR it is Arlen who famously makes unsubstantiated claims. Even when
>>> he's been routinely corrected, he continues with the same claims for
>>> weeks and months and years.
>>>
>>> True to form as described by JR Step 1 is denial.
>> And his pathology is on display here 24/7 for anyone to see for
>> themselves. It's no big secret how he operates. The guy is sick.
> Heh heh heh...
> 
> The Apple trolls are deathly*afraid* of what amounts to a simple query:
>   
>   From: Marion<marion@facts.com>
>   Newsgroups: misc.phone.mobile.iphone,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
>   Subject: Is there really only one thing that iOS can do
>            that Android can't do?
>   Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2025 17:37:54 -0000 (UTC)
>   Message-ID:<106lidi$6h7$1@nnrp.usenet.blueworldhosting.com>
> 
>   In previous threads, I've proven by my own detailed testing, that there
>   is at least one thing non-jailbroken iOS can do which unrooted Android
>   can't.

By YOUR testing, Arlen?

LOL!

You denied it over and over after multiple people told you it worked!

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#136401

From	Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com>
Date	2025-08-10 00:13 +0000
Message-ID	<mfq6hhFh8ocU3@mid.individual.net>
In reply to	#136396

On 2025-08-09, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
> On 2025-08-08 16:05, Marion wrote:
>> On 4 Aug 2025 00:05:04 GMT, Jolly Roger wrote :
>> 
>>>>> For the adult record, neither Chris nor Jolly Roger have come up with
>>>>> a single item to back up their claim that "there are others" iOS can
>>>>> do.
>>>>>
>>>> FTR it is Arlen who famously makes unsubstantiated claims. Even when
>>>> he's been routinely corrected, he continues with the same claims for
>>>> weeks and months and years.
>>>>
>>>> True to form as described by JR Step 1 is denial.
>>> And his pathology is on display here 24/7 for anyone to see for
>>> themselves. It's no big secret how he operates. The guy is sick.
>> Heh heh heh...
>> 
>> The Apple trolls are deathly*afraid* of what amounts to a simple query:
>>   
>>   From: Marion<marion@facts.com>
>>   Newsgroups: misc.phone.mobile.iphone,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
>>   Subject: Is there really only one thing that iOS can do
>>            that Android can't do?
>>   Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2025 17:37:54 -0000 (UTC)
>>   Message-ID:<106lidi$6h7$1@nnrp.usenet.blueworldhosting.com>
>> 
>>   In previous threads, I've proven by my own detailed testing, that there
>>   is at least one thing non-jailbroken iOS can do which unrooted Android
>>   can't.
>
> By YOUR testing, Arlen?
>
> LOL!
>
> You denied it over and over after multiple people told you it worked!

And now he just pretends that never happened, right along with
brainrotdude. The fascinating thing is they actually believe if they lie
we'll all just magically forget about it as if it never happened. They
actually believe people are as fucking dumb as they are. It's pathetic
behavior.

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#136429

From	Marion <marion@facts.com>
Date	2025-08-11 06:11 +0000
Message-ID	<107c1id$26ml$1@nnrp.usenet.blueworldhosting.com>
In reply to	#136401

On 10 Aug 2025 00:13:37 GMT, Jolly Roger wrote :


> And now he just pretends that never happened, right along with
> brainrotdude. The fascinating thing is they actually believe if they lie
> we'll all just magically forget about it as if it never happened. They
> actually believe people are as fucking dumb as they are. It's pathetic
> behavior.

Heh heh heh... 

You Apple trolls *hate* that Apple sold you on a device that can't do much.

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#136444

From	Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com>
Date	2025-08-11 10:04 -0700
Message-ID	<107d7qo$2nolj$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to	#136429

On 2025-08-10 23:11, Marion wrote:
> On 10 Aug 2025 00:13:37 GMT, Jolly Roger wrote :
> 
> 
>> And now he just pretends that never happened, right along with
>> brainrotdude. The fascinating thing is they actually believe if they lie
>> we'll all just magically forget about it as if it never happened. They
>> actually believe people are as fucking dumb as they are. It's pathetic
>> behavior.
> 
> Heh heh heh...
> 
> You Apple trolls *hate* that Apple sold you on a device that can't do much.

What exactly is it that my device "can't do"?

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#136181

From	Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com>
Date	2025-08-01 15:19 +0000
Message-ID	<mf4487Fqi6hU2@mid.individual.net>
In reply to	#136176

On 2025-08-01, Marion <marion@facts.com> wrote:
> On Wed, 30 Jul 2025 21:21:07 -0000 (UTC), Chris wrote :
>
>>> In fact, we have a thread already on that topic where NOBODY could find a
>>> single thing that the iPhone does that Android doesn't already do, Chris.
>> 
>> Your memory is failing you or your denialism is such that reality is a
>> foreign country. You yourself admitted there was something an iphone could
>> do that an android phone couldn't. 
>> 
>> I'll leave it for you to remember. It was only a few weeks ago.
>
> Well, Jolly Roger brought it up just now, so I will agree I was wrong.

You're almost always wrong when it comes to Apple. 

So is Robbie.

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#136191

From	Marion <marion@facts.com>
Date	2025-08-02 00:19 +0000
Message-ID	<106jlj9$1p6v$1@nnrp.usenet.blueworldhosting.com>
In reply to	#136181

On 1 Aug 2025 15:19:35 GMT, Jolly Roger wrote :


>> Well, Jolly Roger brought it up just now, so I will agree I was wrong.
> 
> You're almost always wrong when it comes to Apple.

Never think I'm anything like you Jolly Roger, as that is a mistake.
I never would mind admitting when I'm wrong - because I'm an actual adult.

My value added is that everyone can trust what I say is correct.
And part of that trust is openly admitting when I'm wrong - which I did.

You Apple trolls are nothing like me in that your ego doesn't allow that.
Your ego is fragile because you've been told you're stupid your whole life.

So don't ever make the mistake of assuming I'm anything like you trolls.

As I said, there is one thing iOS can do that Android cannot do.
And that is access ports below 1024 for servers such as for SMB.

However... 

I can't name a single other thing though that iOS does that Android can't.
Can you?

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#136194

From	Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com>
Date	2025-08-02 02:28 +0000
Message-ID	<mf5beiF2e46U3@mid.individual.net>
In reply to	#136191

On 2025-08-02, Marion <marion@facts.com> wrote:
> On 1 Aug 2025 15:19:35 GMT, Jolly Roger wrote :
>
>>> Well, Jolly Roger brought it up just now, so I will agree I was
>>> wrong.
>> 
>> You're almost always wrong when it comes to Apple.
>
> I never would mind admitting when I'm wrong

Says the troll who repeatedly claimed it was impossible for iPhones to
run SMB servers on default ports *long* after you were shown that's not
the case - as you *always* do. Pretend all you want, but Pepperidge Farm
remembers. 🤣

> I'm an actual adult.

You're a man child troll who spends his every waking moment trolling
newsgroups for products you hold a seething hatred for.

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#136197

From	Marion <marion@facts.com>
Date	2025-08-02 17:33 +0000
Message-ID	<106li60$3c0$1@nnrp.usenet.blueworldhosting.com>
In reply to	#136194

On 2 Aug 2025 02:28:34 GMT, Jolly Roger wrote :

>> As I said, there is one thing iOS can do that Android cannot do.
>> And that is access ports below 1024 for servers such as for SMB.
>> However... 
>> I can't name a single other thing though that iOS does that Android can't.
>> Can you?

> You're a man child troll who spends his every waking moment trolling
> newsgroups for products you hold a seething hatred for.

The adults on this child-like Apple newsgroup will note that both Chris and
Jolly Roger claimed there is something else iOS can do that Android can't.

Yet, the response from those child-like Apple trolls was rather revealing.
Nonetheless, the question is apropos for this iPhone & Apple related ng.

Q: *What else do you feel iOS can do that Android doesn't already do?*
A: ?

Note: Once these Apple herd animals finally understand there's almost
nothing that iOS can do that Android hasn't done long ago, then, & only
then, they are ready to begin to understand Apple's strategy as to why.

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#136124

From	Tom Elam <thomas.e.elam@gmail.com>
Date	2025-07-29 10:36 -0400
Message-ID	<106am9a$2m13n$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to	#136089

On 7/26/2025 2:43 PM, Marion wrote:
> On Sat, 26 Jul 2025 08:59:05 -0400, Tom Elam wrote :
> 
> 
>> Having owned numerous Android phones I can tell you that the SD card is
>> almost useless. You cannot put apps on the SD card. Many apps do not
>> enable SD card access. I found that in practice it was more trouble than
>> it was worth. With Apple you do not have to worry about 2 very different
>> storage media. It's worth it to have all apps and all data in one place.
> 
> Why do I have almost a thousand apps on my 64GB Android, Tom Elam without
> any problems (where my sd card is many times the internal phone storage).
> 
> And you can't?
> 
> The reason you can't do anything on that iPhone that Android phones with
> basic hardware can do is Apple didn't give you the choice of hardware.
> 
> You bought a phone that lacks everything that has worked for years.
> Which is EXACTLY what Apple's profit-making strategy is, Tom Elam.
> 
> I'm trying to teach you what Apple's profit-making strategy is.
> Why do you think they're so profitable anyway, Tom?
> 
> The iPhone is barely functional because Apple removed what actually works.
> Then you are forced to buy it all back.
> 
> It's sheer genius.

I think you are lying. Big time. Theory and practice diverge in this case.

March 2024 article:

https://www.howtogeek.com/114667/how-to-install-android-apps-to-the-sd-card-by-default-move-almost-any-app-to-the-sd-card/

I read the entire article and things have not changed since my Android 
phone days.

Some quotes:

"Some Android phones don't have a lot of storage, which means you might 
run out of space for apps. If your device has a microSD card slot, you 
can use that to expand the storage and have more room for apps. However, 
SD card support is more limited than it used to be."

It's getting more limited?

"Android apps are installed on your device's internal storage by 
default. If you have a microSD card, you can move some of your currently 
installed apps over to the microSD card. This is not supported by all 
apps, however. In fact, many don't support this feature at all."

In my experience it was very few that could be moved and still even work 
as designed.

"Running an app off your SD card will almost always be slower than 
running it off the internal storage, so only use this if you absolutely 
have to—and if you can, try to use it for apps that don't require a lot 
of speed to run well."

VERY true, if you can even move them over.

"Some manufacturers—namely, Samsung and LG—allowed users to format 
microSD cards as internal storage prior to around 2022. That meant apps 
and games would be installed there by default. Sadly, this feature is no 
longer present on newer devices."

When I tried this on A 64 mb Samsung phone the apps on the SD card were 
unstable.

"Technically, it's still possible if you're willing to go through the 
trouble of rooting your Android phone. Rooting an Android phone is not 
as worth it as it used to be. Android has gotten much better and the 
rooting process has only gotten more difficult. It's simply not a 
legitimate solution for the majority of people."

Did you root your phone?

"Sadly, not many Android phones have SD card slots anymore, and it seems 
that even fewer apps support the ability to be moved to external 
storage. If you do have an SD card slot, you should take advantage of it."

Android is moving to the Apple memory model.

Summary, Apple's unified memory is a superior solution to having 2 very 
different sets of memory.

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#136137

From	Marion <marion@facts.com>
Date	2025-07-29 22:41 +0000
Message-ID	<106bini$g1e$1@nnrp.usenet.blueworldhosting.com>
In reply to	#136124

On Tue, 29 Jul 2025 10:36:27 -0400, Tom Elam wrote :


> On 7/26/2025 2:43 PM, Marion wrote:
>> On Sat, 26 Jul 2025 08:59:05 -0400, Tom Elam wrote :
>> 
>>> Having owned numerous Android phones I can tell you that the SD card is
>>> almost useless. You cannot put apps on the SD card. Many apps do not
>>> enable SD card access. I found that in practice it was more trouble than
>>> it was worth. With Apple you do not have to worry about 2 very different
>>> storage media. It's worth it to have all apps and all data in one place.
>> 
>> Why do I have almost a thousand apps on my 64GB Android, Tom Elam without
>> any problems (where my sd card is many times the internal phone storage).
>> 
>> And you can't?
>> 
>> The reason you can't do anything on that iPhone that Android phones with
>> basic hardware can do is Apple didn't give you the choice of hardware.
>> 
>> You bought a phone that lacks everything that has worked for years.
>> Which is EXACTLY what Apple's profit-making strategy is, Tom Elam.
>> 
>> I'm trying to teach you what Apple's profit-making strategy is.
>> Why do you think they're so profitable anyway, Tom?
>> 
>> The iPhone is barely functional because Apple removed what actually works.
>> Then you are forced to buy it all back.
>> 
>> It's sheer genius.
> 
> I think you are lying. Big time. Theory and practice diverge in this case.
> 
> March 2024 article:
> 
> https://www.howtogeek.com/114667/how-to-install-android-apps-to-the-sd-card-by-default-move-almost-any-app-to-the-sd-card/
> 
> I read the entire article and things have not changed since my Android 
> phone days.
> 
> Some quotes:
> 
> "Some Android phones don't have a lot of storage, which means you might 
> run out of space for apps. If your device has a microSD card slot, you 
> can use that to expand the storage and have more room for apps. However, 
> SD card support is more limited than it used to be."
> 
> It's getting more limited?
> 
> "Android apps are installed on your device's internal storage by 
> default. If you have a microSD card, you can move some of your currently 
> installed apps over to the microSD card. This is not supported by all 
> apps, however. In fact, many don't support this feature at all."
> 
> In my experience it was very few that could be moved and still even work 
> as designed.
> 
> "Running an app off your SD card will almost always be slower than 
> running it off the internal storage, so only use this if you absolutely 
> have to—and if you can, try to use it for apps that don't require a lot 
> of speed to run well."
> 
> VERY true, if you can even move them over.
> 
> "Some manufacturers—namely, Samsung and LG—allowed users to format 
> microSD cards as internal storage prior to around 2022. That meant apps 
> and games would be installed there by default. Sadly, this feature is no 
> longer present on newer devices."
> 
> When I tried this on A 64 mb Samsung phone the apps on the SD card were 
> unstable.
> 
> "Technically, it's still possible if you're willing to go through the 
> trouble of rooting your Android phone. Rooting an Android phone is not 
> as worth it as it used to be. Android has gotten much better and the 
> rooting process has only gotten more difficult. It's simply not a 
> legitimate solution for the majority of people."
> 
> Did you root your phone?
> 
> "Sadly, not many Android phones have SD card slots anymore, and it seems 
> that even fewer apps support the ability to be moved to external 
> storage. If you do have an SD card slot, you should take advantage of it."
> 
> Android is moving to the Apple memory model.
> 
> Summary, Apple's unified memory is a superior solution to having 2 very 
> different sets of memory.

You MAGA Apple trolls understand nothing.
I never said I installed the apps on the sd card, Tom.
I never said I set up the sd card as extended memory either, Tom.

What I said was I have no problem with a thousand apps on my phone.
Where they store their data (e.g., map data, or photos) on the sd card.

You Apple MAGA trolls understand nothing.

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#136149

From	Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com>
Date	2025-07-29 15:48 -0700
Message-ID	<106bj35$2tbrm$4@dont-email.me>
In reply to	#136137

On 2025-07-29 15:41, Marion wrote:
> On Tue, 29 Jul 2025 10:36:27 -0400, Tom Elam wrote :
> 
> 
>> On 7/26/2025 2:43 PM, Marion wrote:
>>> On Sat, 26 Jul 2025 08:59:05 -0400, Tom Elam wrote :
>>>
>>>> Having owned numerous Android phones I can tell you that the SD card is
>>>> almost useless. You cannot put apps on the SD card. Many apps do not
>>>> enable SD card access. I found that in practice it was more trouble than
>>>> it was worth. With Apple you do not have to worry about 2 very different
>>>> storage media. It's worth it to have all apps and all data in one place.
>>>
>>> Why do I have almost a thousand apps on my 64GB Android, Tom Elam without
>>> any problems (where my sd card is many times the internal phone storage).
>>>
>>> And you can't?
>>>
>>> The reason you can't do anything on that iPhone that Android phones with
>>> basic hardware can do is Apple didn't give you the choice of hardware.
>>>
>>> You bought a phone that lacks everything that has worked for years.
>>> Which is EXACTLY what Apple's profit-making strategy is, Tom Elam.
>>>
>>> I'm trying to teach you what Apple's profit-making strategy is.
>>> Why do you think they're so profitable anyway, Tom?
>>>
>>> The iPhone is barely functional because Apple removed what actually works.
>>> Then you are forced to buy it all back.
>>>
>>> It's sheer genius.
>>
>> I think you are lying. Big time. Theory and practice diverge in this case.
>>
>> March 2024 article:
>>
>> https://www.howtogeek.com/114667/how-to-install-android-apps-to-the-sd-card-by-default-move-almost-any-app-to-the-sd-card/
>>
>> I read the entire article and things have not changed since my Android
>> phone days.
>>
>> Some quotes:
>>
>> "Some Android phones don't have a lot of storage, which means you might
>> run out of space for apps. If your device has a microSD card slot, you
>> can use that to expand the storage and have more room for apps. However,
>> SD card support is more limited than it used to be."
>>
>> It's getting more limited?
>>
>> "Android apps are installed on your device's internal storage by
>> default. If you have a microSD card, you can move some of your currently
>> installed apps over to the microSD card. This is not supported by all
>> apps, however. In fact, many don't support this feature at all."
>>
>> In my experience it was very few that could be moved and still even work
>> as designed.
>>
>> "Running an app off your SD card will almost always be slower than
>> running it off the internal storage, so only use this if you absolutely
>> have to—and if you can, try to use it for apps that don't require a lot
>> of speed to run well."
>>
>> VERY true, if you can even move them over.
>>
>> "Some manufacturers—namely, Samsung and LG—allowed users to format
>> microSD cards as internal storage prior to around 2022. That meant apps
>> and games would be installed there by default. Sadly, this feature is no
>> longer present on newer devices."
>>
>> When I tried this on A 64 mb Samsung phone the apps on the SD card were
>> unstable.
>>
>> "Technically, it's still possible if you're willing to go through the
>> trouble of rooting your Android phone. Rooting an Android phone is not
>> as worth it as it used to be. Android has gotten much better and the
>> rooting process has only gotten more difficult. It's simply not a
>> legitimate solution for the majority of people."
>>
>> Did you root your phone?
>>
>> "Sadly, not many Android phones have SD card slots anymore, and it seems
>> that even fewer apps support the ability to be moved to external
>> storage. If you do have an SD card slot, you should take advantage of it."
>>
>> Android is moving to the Apple memory model.
>>
>> Summary, Apple's unified memory is a superior solution to having 2 very
>> different sets of memory.
> 
> You MAGA Apple trolls understand nothing.
> I never said I installed the apps on the sd card, Tom.
> I never said I set up the sd card as extended memory either, Tom.

So if you don't use it as extended memory and you don't install apps on 
the SD card...

...then you're still bound by how much storage is built in to the phone, 
right?

> 
> What I said was I have no problem with a thousand apps on my phone.
> Where they store their data (e.g., map data, or photos) on the sd card.

Riiiiiiiiiight.

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#136152

From	Tyrone <none@none.none>
Date	2025-07-30 00:59 +0000
Message-ID	<Wq6dnama7snv8xT1nZ2dnZfqnPidnZ2d@supernews.com>
In reply to	#136149

On Jul 29, 2025 at 6:48:05 PM EDT, "Alan" <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:

> On 2025-07-29 15:41, Marion wrote:
>> On Tue, 29 Jul 2025 10:36:27 -0400, Tom Elam wrote :
>> 
>> 
>>> On 7/26/2025 2:43 PM, Marion wrote:
>>>> On Sat, 26 Jul 2025 08:59:05 -0400, Tom Elam wrote :
>>>> 
>>>>> Having owned numerous Android phones I can tell you that the SD card is
>>>>> almost useless. You cannot put apps on the SD card. Many apps do not
>>>>> enable SD card access. I found that in practice it was more trouble than
>>>>> it was worth. With Apple you do not have to worry about 2 very different
>>>>> storage media. It's worth it to have all apps and all data in one place.
>>>> 
>>>> Why do I have almost a thousand apps on my 64GB Android, Tom Elam without
>>>> any problems (where my sd card is many times the internal phone storage).
>>>> 
>>>> And you can't?
>>>> 
>>>> The reason you can't do anything on that iPhone that Android phones with
>>>> basic hardware can do is Apple didn't give you the choice of hardware.
>>>> 
>>>> You bought a phone that lacks everything that has worked for years.
>>>> Which is EXACTLY what Apple's profit-making strategy is, Tom Elam.
>>>> 
>>>> I'm trying to teach you what Apple's profit-making strategy is.
>>>> Why do you think they're so profitable anyway, Tom?
>>>> 
>>>> The iPhone is barely functional because Apple removed what actually works.
>>>> Then you are forced to buy it all back.
>>>> 
>>>> It's sheer genius.
>>> 
>>> I think you are lying. Big time. Theory and practice diverge in this case.
>>> 
>>> March 2024 article:
>>> 
>>> https://www.howtogeek.com/114667/how-to-install-android-apps-to-the-sd-card-by-default-move-almost-any-app-to-the-sd-card/
>>> 
>>> I read the entire article and things have not changed since my Android
>>> phone days.
>>> 
>>> Some quotes:
>>> 
>>> "Some Android phones don't have a lot of storage, which means you might
>>> run out of space for apps. If your device has a microSD card slot, you
>>> can use that to expand the storage and have more room for apps. However,
>>> SD card support is more limited than it used to be."
>>> 
>>> It's getting more limited?
>>> 
>>> "Android apps are installed on your device's internal storage by
>>> default. If you have a microSD card, you can move some of your currently
>>> installed apps over to the microSD card. This is not supported by all
>>> apps, however. In fact, many don't support this feature at all."
>>> 
>>> In my experience it was very few that could be moved and still even work
>>> as designed.
>>> 
>>> "Running an app off your SD card will almost always be slower than
>>> running it off the internal storage, so only use this if you absolutely
>>> have to—and if you can, try to use it for apps that don't require a lot
>>> of speed to run well."
>>> 
>>> VERY true, if you can even move them over.
>>> 
>>> "Some manufacturers—namely, Samsung and LG—allowed users to format
>>> microSD cards as internal storage prior to around 2022. That meant apps
>>> and games would be installed there by default. Sadly, this feature is no
>>> longer present on newer devices."
>>> 
>>> When I tried this on A 64 mb Samsung phone the apps on the SD card were
>>> unstable.
>>> 
>>> "Technically, it's still possible if you're willing to go through the
>>> trouble of rooting your Android phone. Rooting an Android phone is not
>>> as worth it as it used to be. Android has gotten much better and the
>>> rooting process has only gotten more difficult. It's simply not a
>>> legitimate solution for the majority of people."
>>> 
>>> Did you root your phone?
>>> 
>>> "Sadly, not many Android phones have SD card slots anymore, and it seems
>>> that even fewer apps support the ability to be moved to external
>>> storage. If you do have an SD card slot, you should take advantage of it."
>>> 
>>> Android is moving to the Apple memory model.
>>> 
>>> Summary, Apple's unified memory is a superior solution to having 2 very
>>> different sets of memory.
>> 
>> You MAGA Apple trolls understand nothing.
>> I never said I installed the apps on the sd card, Tom.
>> I never said I set up the sd card as extended memory either, Tom.
> 
> So if you don't use it as extended memory and you don't install apps on
> the SD card...
> 
> ...then you're still bound by how much storage is built in to the phone,
> right?
> 
>> 
>> What I said was I have no problem with a thousand apps on my phone.
>> Where they store their data (e.g., map data, or photos) on the sd card.
> 
> Riiiiiiiiiight.

That whooshing sound you hear is ANOTHER goal post shift. 

MAGA Troll indeed.   Make Android Good Anywayhecan.

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#136156

From	Marion <marion@facts.com>
Date	2025-07-30 07:42 +0000
Message-ID	<106cick$2gq$1@nnrp.usenet.blueworldhosting.com>
In reply to	#136152

On Wed, 30 Jul 2025 00:59:30 +0000, Tyrone wrote :


> MAGA Troll indeed.   Make Android Good Anywayhecan.

I study you Apple MAGA trolls. And I study Apple's strategy.

Specifically Apple's strategy of removing pockets from pants & then
convincing people like you that it's "progress" to remove pockets (at the
same time Apple sells you their proprietary replacement for the missing
functionality).

How does Apple get away with convincing you that pants without pockets are
somehow progress - where you're forced to buy the lost functionality back?

Apple doesn't just sell tech - it sells belief. And belief is powerful
enough to override inconvenience, cost, and even common sense.

Here's why people like you MAGA trolls don't comprehend the deception:

Marketing is myth making. Apple frames the removal of most basic hardware
functionality removals as "progress." No headphone jack? That's "courage."
No charger in the box? That's "environmental responsibility." These aren't
just excuses - they're Apple's trademarked narratives that make you MAGA
trolls feel like they're part of something visionary.

Tribe loyalty is at stake here. You MAGA trolls often form a kind of brand
identity. Once you're in the ecosystem, questioning Apple feels like
questioning your own taste or values. That's not deception; it's emotional
engineering.

And then there's design over function where Apple's aesthetic minimalism
convinces people like you that fewer ports means more elegance. Even if it
means buying dongles, adapters, or wireless accessories, the sleek look
wins in your mind because Apple has convinced you that less is more.

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#136159

From	"David B." <BD@hotmail.co.uk>
Date	2025-07-30 10:18 +0100
Message-ID	<meu6c3FpkeuU3@mid.individual.net>
In reply to	#136156

On 30/07/2025 08:42, Marion wrote:
> On Wed, 30 Jul 2025 00:59:30 +0000, Tyrone wrote :
> 
> 
>> MAGA Troll indeed.   Make Android Good Anywayhecan.
> 
> I study you Apple MAGA trolls. And I study Apple's strategy.
> 
> Specifically Apple's strategy of removing pockets from pants & then
> convincing people like you that it's "progress" to remove pockets (at the
> same time Apple sells you their proprietary replacement for the missing
> functionality).
> 
> How does Apple get away with convincing you that pants without pockets are
> somehow progress - where you're forced to buy the lost functionality back?
> 
> Apple doesn't just sell tech - it sells belief. And belief is powerful
> enough to override inconvenience, cost, and even common sense.
> 
> Here's why people like you MAGA trolls don't comprehend the deception:
> 
> Marketing is myth making. Apple frames the removal of most basic hardware
> functionality removals as "progress." No headphone jack? That's "courage."
> No charger in the box? That's "environmental responsibility." These aren't
> just excuses - they're Apple's trademarked narratives that make you MAGA
> trolls feel like they're part of something visionary.
> 
> Tribe loyalty is at stake here. You MAGA trolls often form a kind of brand
> identity. Once you're in the ecosystem, questioning Apple feels like
> questioning your own taste or values. That's not deception; it's emotional
> engineering.
> 
> And then there's design over function where Apple's aesthetic minimalism
> convinces people like you that fewer ports means more elegance. Even if it
> means buying dongles, adapters, or wireless accessories, the sleek look
> wins in your mind because Apple has convinced you that less is more.

You are CORRECT, my friend! 🙂

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#136169

From	Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com>
Date	2025-07-31 09:47 -0700
Message-ID	<106g6mh$3t2u4$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to	#136156

On 2025-07-30 00:42, Marion wrote:
> On Wed, 30 Jul 2025 00:59:30 +0000, Tyrone wrote :
> 
> 
>> MAGA Troll indeed.   Make Android Good Anywayhecan.
> 
> I study you Apple MAGA trolls.

LOLOLOLLOLOLOL!

That's just TOO FUNNY!

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