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  IBM Thinkpad R30 - stumped "S Campbell" <campbellfam@no.spam> - 2013-01-11 17:32 +1000
    Re: IBM Thinkpad R30 - stumped mike <ham789@netzero.net> - 2013-01-11 00:47 -0800
    Re: IBM Thinkpad R30 - stumped "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2013-01-11 20:18 +1100
    Re: IBM Thinkpad R30 - stumped Tom Cole <tacoleNOSPAM@yahoo.co.nz.invalid> - 2013-01-12 11:33 +1300
    Re: IBM Thinkpad R30 - stumped "Damian" <damian_andrews75@yahoo.com.au> - 2013-01-13 12:30 +1100
    Re: IBM Thinkpad R30 - stumped Parko <there.is.an.elephant@the.pantry.door.invalid> - 2013-01-15 22:55 +0000
    Re: IBM Thinkpad R30 - stumped Happy Oyster <-*-*.@.*-*-> - 2013-01-15 21:01 +0400
      Re: IBM Thinkpad R30 - stumped Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> - 2013-01-16 15:59 +1100
        Re: IBM Thinkpad R30 - stumped Happy Oyster <-*-*.@.*-*-> - 2013-01-17 11:19 +0400
          Re: IBM Thinkpad R30 - stumped Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> - 2013-01-18 12:25 +1100
      Re: IBM Thinkpad R30 - stumped "Bob Milutinovic" <cognicom@gmail.com> - 2013-01-16 19:20 +1100
        Re: IBM Thinkpad R30 - stumped Happy Oyster <-*-*.@.*-*-> - 2013-01-17 11:18 +0400
          Re: IBM Thinkpad R30 - stumped "Bob Milutinovic" <cognicom@gmail.com> - 2013-01-18 12:37 +1100
    Re: IBM Thinkpad R30 - stumped "S Campbell" <campbellfam@no.spam> - 2013-02-05 19:49 +1000
      Re: IBM Thinkpad R30 - stumped Happy Oyster <-*-*.@.*-*-> - 2013-02-06 09:33 +0400
        Re: IBM Thinkpad R30 - stumped Happy Oyster <-*-*.@.*-*-> - 2013-02-06 10:39 +0400
      Re: IBM Thinkpad R30 - stumped dg1261 <dgREMOVE-THIS1261@cs.com> - 2013-02-07 01:56 +0000
        Re: IBM Thinkpad R30 - stumped "S Campbell" <campbellfam@no.spam> - 2013-02-08 10:29 +1000
          Re: IBM Thinkpad R30 - stumped dg1261 <dgREMOVE-THIS1261@cs.com> - 2013-02-08 04:07 +0000
        Re: IBM Thinkpad R30 - stumped "S Campbell" <campbellfam@no.spam> - 2013-02-08 10:30 +1000
    Re: IBM Thinkpad R30 - stumped Bob_Villa <pheeh.zero@gmail.com> - 2013-02-07 19:15 -0800

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#1734 — IBM Thinkpad R30 - stumped

Hi friends
Have an IBM Thinkpad R30 and need to find out why it won't boot up from a 
tested and formatted 20 Gb Toshiba drive after the first stage of Windows XP 
installation.
So I installed Windows XP sp2 from a good CD I've used for years and first 
stage of Windows XP installation goes OK without a glitch.  The computer 
resets OK at this first stage.
When the computer reboots it says "press a key to boot from CD" and I don't 
press a key.  After it times out the Windows XP installation won't 
continue - the cursor just blinks on the screen.
If I take out the CD and reboot, the computer still won't boot from the hard 
disk (after BIOS checks it goes to blank screen with a blinking cursor).
I have tested the hard disk and it appears OK.  I had connected it to 
another XP computer, deleted the partition and formatted it as  NTFS.  The 
Windows XP installation on the laptop accepts the format.
So the problem I am trying to figure out is why the laptop won't boot off 
that hard drive when it has Win XP installation to continue?  I checked the 
BIOS and it finds the HD okay.  I have also made it at the top of the Boot 
order (and it is not disabled with '!' as these Thinkpads do)
So where on earth do I go from here?!
Thanks for any solutions to the above problem.

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#1735

On 1/10/2013 11:32 PM, S Campbell wrote:
> Hi friends
> Have an IBM Thinkpad R30 and need to find out why it won't boot up from a
> tested and formatted 20 Gb Toshiba drive after the first stage of Windows XP
> installation.
> So I installed Windows XP sp2 from a good CD I've used for years and first
> stage of Windows XP installation goes OK without a glitch.  The computer
> resets OK at this first stage.
> When the computer reboots it says "press a key to boot from CD" and I don't
> press a key.  After it times out the Windows XP installation won't
> continue - the cursor just blinks on the screen.
> If I take out the CD and reboot, the computer still won't boot from the hard
> disk (after BIOS checks it goes to blank screen with a blinking cursor).
> I have tested the hard disk and it appears OK.  I had connected it to
> another XP computer, deleted the partition and formatted it as  NTFS.  The
> Windows XP installation on the laptop accepts the format.
> So the problem I am trying to figure out is why the laptop won't boot off
> that hard drive when it has Win XP installation to continue?  I checked the
> BIOS and it finds the HD okay.  I have also made it at the top of the Boot
> order (and it is not disabled with '!' as these Thinkpads do)
> So where on earth do I go from here?!
> Thanks for any solutions to the above problem.
>
>
First thing I'd do is check for jumpers.  Most laptop drives don't have 
any, but I've seen some that did.
Download the GPARTED live CD and initialize/partition/format the drive 
in the laptop.
That makes sure you don't have any weird invisible OEM partitions that
confuse the boot process.
Don't forget to set the boot flag.
Try the install again.

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#1736

S Campbell <campbellfam@no.spam> wrote

> Have an IBM Thinkpad R30 and need to find out why it won't boot up from a 
> tested and formatted 20 Gb Toshiba drive after the first stage of Windows 
> XP installation.

> So I installed Windows XP sp2 from a good CD I've used for years and first 
> stage of Windows XP installation goes OK without a glitch.  The computer 
> resets OK at this first stage.

> When the computer reboots it says "press a key to boot from CD" and I 
> don't press a key.  After it times out the Windows XP installation won't 
> continue - the cursor just blinks on the screen.

> If I take out the CD and reboot, the computer still won't boot from the 
> hard disk (after BIOS checks it goes to blank screen with a blinking 
> cursor).
> I have tested the hard disk and it appears OK.  I had connected it to 
> another XP computer, deleted the partition and formatted it as  NTFS.  The 
> Windows XP installation on the laptop accepts the format.

> So the problem I am trying to figure out is why the laptop won't boot off 
> that hard drive when it has Win XP installation to continue?  I checked 
> the BIOS and it finds the HD okay.  I have also made it at the top of the 
> Boot order (and it is not disabled with '!' as these Thinkpads do)
> So where on earth do I go from here?!

> Thanks for any solutions to the above problem.

You can get a result like that when the bios has a
setting that doesn’t allow the MBR etc to be changed.
The obvious fix for that is to reset that in the bios.

Some anti viruses can replace the MBR with one that
produces that result when its changed too. The fix for
that is to write zeros thru the first few tracks of the
hard drive so the MBR is overwritten and start the
XP install again.

Have you checked the IBM site on the R30 to
see if its a known problem with a known fix ? 

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#1737

You stated that you initialised the partition on another computer.
With many IBM Thinkpads you need to initialise the HD using the
computer you intend to use the HD on. You need to wipe the partition
and set it up afresh on your R30. The XP CD should do this for you
when you boot it initially.

On Fri, 11 Jan 2013 17:32:27 +1000, "S Campbell" <campbellfam@no.spam>
wrote:

>Hi friends
>Have an IBM Thinkpad R30 and need to find out why it won't boot up from a 
>tested and formatted 20 Gb Toshiba drive after the first stage of Windows XP 
>installation.
>So I installed Windows XP sp2 from a good CD I've used for years and first 
>stage of Windows XP installation goes OK without a glitch.  The computer 
>resets OK at this first stage.
>When the computer reboots it says "press a key to boot from CD" and I don't 
>press a key.  After it times out the Windows XP installation won't 
>continue - the cursor just blinks on the screen.
>If I take out the CD and reboot, the computer still won't boot from the hard 
>disk (after BIOS checks it goes to blank screen with a blinking cursor).
>I have tested the hard disk and it appears OK.  I had connected it to 
>another XP computer, deleted the partition and formatted it as  NTFS.  The 
>Windows XP installation on the laptop accepts the format.
>So the problem I am trying to figure out is why the laptop won't boot off 
>that hard drive when it has Win XP installation to continue?  I checked the 
>BIOS and it finds the HD okay.  I have also made it at the top of the Boot 
>order (and it is not disabled with '!' as these Thinkpads do)
>So where on earth do I go from here?!
>Thanks for any solutions to the above problem.
>

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#1738

"S Campbell" <campbellfam@no.spam> wrote in message 
news:eePHs.2459$1k5.439@viwinnwfe01.internal.bigpond.com...
> Hi friends
> Have an IBM Thinkpad R30 and need to find out why it won't boot up from a 
> tested and formatted 20 Gb Toshiba drive after the first stage of Windows 
> XP installation.
> So I installed Windows XP sp2 from a good CD I've used for years and first 
> stage of Windows XP installation goes OK without a glitch.  The computer 
> resets OK at this first stage.
> When the computer reboots it says "press a key to boot from CD" and I 
> don't press a key.  After it times out the Windows XP installation won't 
> continue - the cursor just blinks on the screen.
> If I take out the CD and reboot, the computer still won't boot from the 
> hard disk (after BIOS checks it goes to blank screen with a blinking 
> cursor).
> I have tested the hard disk and it appears OK.  I had connected it to 
> another XP computer, deleted the partition and formatted it as  NTFS.  The 
> Windows XP installation on the laptop accepts the format.
> So the problem I am trying to figure out is why the laptop won't boot off 
> that hard drive when it has Win XP installation to continue?  I checked 
> the BIOS and it finds the HD okay.  I have also made it at the top of the 
> Boot order (and it is not disabled with '!' as these Thinkpads do)
> So where on earth do I go from here?!
> Thanks for any solutions to the above problem.
>
>
Did you do the whole xp installation on the laptop? or did you do parts of 
it in another computer? 

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#1739

On Fri, 11 Jan 2013 17:32:27 +1000, S Campbell wrote:

> Hi friends Have an IBM Thinkpad R30 and need to find out why it won't
> boot up from a tested and formatted 20 Gb Toshiba drive after the first
> stage of Windows XP installation.

Bugger WinXP, it's old. I'd have a go at getting Puppy Linux going on it. 
http://puppylinux.org/main/Overview%20and%20Getting%20Started.htm

IIRC, based on my distant memory of sticking Debian GNU/Linux 3.1 on an 
IBM R30, the graphics chipset was problematic causing the thing to boot 
into single user mode (ie: a blinking bloody cursor) until I could sort 
out Xfree86. The drivers are still available for it if you want to 
persist with the now unsupported XP.
http://support.lenovo.com/en_US/detail.page?LegacyDocID=MIGR-40213 
You need to load them when prompted by the XP installer.

-- 
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church...

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#1740

On Fri, 11 Jan 2013 17:32:27 +1000, "S Campbell" <campbellfam@no.spam>
wrote:

>Hi friends
>Have an IBM Thinkpad R30 and need to find out why it won't boot up from a 
>tested and formatted 20 Gb Toshiba drive after the first stage of Windows XP 
>installation.
>So I installed Windows XP sp2 from a good CD I've used for years and first 
>stage of Windows XP installation goes OK without a glitch.  The computer 
>resets OK at this first stage.
>When the computer reboots it says "press a key to boot from CD" and I don't 
>press a key.  After it times out the Windows XP installation won't 
>continue - the cursor just blinks on the screen.
>If I take out the CD and reboot, the computer still won't boot from the hard 
>disk (after BIOS checks it goes to blank screen with a blinking cursor).
>I have tested the hard disk and it appears OK.  I had connected it to 
>another XP computer, deleted the partition and formatted it as  NTFS.  The 
>Windows XP installation on the laptop accepts the format.
>So the problem I am trying to figure out is why the laptop won't boot off 
>that hard drive when it has Win XP installation to continue?  I checked the 
>BIOS and it finds the HD okay.  I have also made it at the top of the Boot 
>order (and it is not disabled with '!' as these Thinkpads do)
>So where on earth do I go from here?!
>Thanks for any solutions to the above problem.

Hi, I read you descrption and I read the answers. I admit that I do
frown about some answers. 

Okay, so I will give it a try. 

Key problem might be the HDD. It has several areas. One area is for the
data. But one totally different area is for booting, where the MBR is.
Some HDDs are reported fine, but the MBR space can not be correctly
written to. These HDDs one can only use for data, but one cannot boot
from them. From time to time such HDDs are sold at eBay's. So one has to
watch out NOT to buy such one if one wants to USE the computer with that
HDD, booting from it. 

During installation the Win XP wrote onto HDD. So writing in the data
area of the HDD seems to work. 

A strange problem might be HOW the HDD is access ("LBA") or other stuff.
I you prepared the HDD in an other computer, THAT VERY SETTING of the
OTHER computer is used for addressing on HDD. Might be that there are
differences in the parameters of both BIOSes. You ought to check them. 

About some MBR write-to preventions I have no clue. If a BIOS would have
such a parameter, I would not enable it. Also, the question is how the
installer of Win XP would react to such a write-barrier. 

That some Thinkpads would REQUIRE the HDD to be prepared on THAT VERY
THINKPAD where the HDD then is to be used I consider wrong. I guess that
in those cases some addressing was not done correctly.

An easy mistake to make is to install the OS completely correct, but
spoil addressing of drive 1 and drive 2. You ought to check the jumpers
on the HDD and look at time of boot into the BIOS and see how the HDD is
recognized, as drive 1 or drive 2 - or simple "have none". 


One test to make is to prepare the HDD on an other computer AND THERE
install Win XP and see if it boots there. 

One more test, quite simple and easy: install an other OS. Check it THAT
is able to boot on the HDD. 

Win XP is rather stupid. Before installing it, the partitioning should
be done correctly and the "active" partition for booting must have the
marker set in the partition table.

One more pothole is how the boot actually is done. You ought to check
the sequence for booting. Might be that the boot gets stuck by accessing
some other device? The XP installs I had were prone for messing up with
a) partitioning and b) sequence of devices. 


So, you have some days of work ahead... ;O) 

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#1741

On Tue, 15 Jan 2013 21:01:40 +0400, Happy Oyster <-*-*.@.*-*-> wrote:

>Hi, I read you descrption and I read the answers. I admit that I do
>frown about some answers. 
>
>Okay, so I will give it a try. 
>
>Key problem might be the HDD. It has several areas. One area is for the
>data. But one totally different area is for booting, where the MBR is.
>Some HDDs are reported fine, but the MBR space can not be correctly
>written to. These HDDs one can only use for data, but one cannot boot
>from them. From time to time such HDDs are sold at eBay's. So one has to
>watch out NOT to buy such one if one wants to USE the computer with that
>HDD, booting from it. 
>
>During installation the Win XP wrote onto HDD. So writing in the data
>area of the HDD seems to work. 
>
>A strange problem might be HOW the HDD is access ("LBA") or other stuff.
>I you prepared the HDD in an other computer, THAT VERY SETTING of the
>OTHER computer is used for addressing on HDD. Might be that there are
>differences in the parameters of both BIOSes. You ought to check them. 
>
>About some MBR write-to preventions I have no clue. If a BIOS would have
>such a parameter, I would not enable it. Also, the question is how the
>installer of Win XP would react to such a write-barrier. 
>
>That some Thinkpads would REQUIRE the HDD to be prepared on THAT VERY
>THINKPAD where the HDD then is to be used I consider wrong. I guess that
>in those cases some addressing was not done correctly.
>
>An easy mistake to make is to install the OS completely correct, but
>spoil addressing of drive 1 and drive 2. You ought to check the jumpers
>on the HDD and look at time of boot into the BIOS and see how the HDD is
>recognized, as drive 1 or drive 2 - or simple "have none". 
>
>
>One test to make is to prepare the HDD on an other computer AND THERE
>install Win XP and see if it boots there. 
>
>One more test, quite simple and easy: install an other OS. Check it THAT
>is able to boot on the HDD. 
>
>Win XP is rather stupid. Before installing it, the partitioning should
>be done correctly and the "active" partition for booting must have the
>marker set in the partition table.
>
>One more pothole is how the boot actually is done. You ought to check
>the sequence for booting. Might be that the boot gets stuck by accessing
>some other device? The XP installs I had were prone for messing up with
>a) partitioning and b) sequence of devices. 
>
>
>So, you have some days of work ahead... ;O) 

Really when one needs a new Windows computer one needs a new computer
Get the catalogue Harvey Norman, JB HiFi, Dick Smith, or whoever
Desktop Windows 8 touchscreens with 22 inch touch screens are
basically Desktop computers are now just a screen with a keyboard
smaller than a Laptop. Ebay search but check local from catalogue
http://tinyurl.com/c4npytl
For a car you can buy cheap inverters to power them from any 12 volt
supply Ebay search but get a pure Sine wave one for desktop cheaper
are OK for Laptop/Tablet as its just recharging battery
http://tinyurl.com/cyvqbld 
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Australia's forefathers  have long agreed with
"a mine is a hole in the ground owned by liars, crooks and cheats"

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#1746

On Wed, 16 Jan 2013 15:59:17 +1100, Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Tue, 15 Jan 2013 21:01:40 +0400, Happy Oyster <-*-*.@.*-*-> wrote:
>
>>Hi, I read you descrption and I read the answers. I admit that I do
>>frown about some answers. 
>>
>>Okay, so I will give it a try. 
>>
>>Key problem might be the HDD. It has several areas. One area is for the
>>data. But one totally different area is for booting, where the MBR is.
>>Some HDDs are reported fine, but the MBR space can not be correctly
>>written to. These HDDs one can only use for data, but one cannot boot
>>from them. From time to time such HDDs are sold at eBay's. So one has to
>>watch out NOT to buy such one if one wants to USE the computer with that
>>HDD, booting from it. 
>>
>>During installation the Win XP wrote onto HDD. So writing in the data
>>area of the HDD seems to work. 
>>
>>A strange problem might be HOW the HDD is access ("LBA") or other stuff.
>>I you prepared the HDD in an other computer, THAT VERY SETTING of the
>>OTHER computer is used for addressing on HDD. Might be that there are
>>differences in the parameters of both BIOSes. You ought to check them. 
>>
>>About some MBR write-to preventions I have no clue. If a BIOS would have
>>such a parameter, I would not enable it. Also, the question is how the
>>installer of Win XP would react to such a write-barrier. 
>>
>>That some Thinkpads would REQUIRE the HDD to be prepared on THAT VERY
>>THINKPAD where the HDD then is to be used I consider wrong. I guess that
>>in those cases some addressing was not done correctly.
>>
>>An easy mistake to make is to install the OS completely correct, but
>>spoil addressing of drive 1 and drive 2. You ought to check the jumpers
>>on the HDD and look at time of boot into the BIOS and see how the HDD is
>>recognized, as drive 1 or drive 2 - or simple "have none". 
>>
>>
>>One test to make is to prepare the HDD on an other computer AND THERE
>>install Win XP and see if it boots there. 
>>
>>One more test, quite simple and easy: install an other OS. Check it THAT
>>is able to boot on the HDD. 
>>
>>Win XP is rather stupid. Before installing it, the partitioning should
>>be done correctly and the "active" partition for booting must have the
>>marker set in the partition table.
>>
>>One more pothole is how the boot actually is done. You ought to check
>>the sequence for booting. Might be that the boot gets stuck by accessing
>>some other device? The XP installs I had were prone for messing up with
>>a) partitioning and b) sequence of devices. 
>>
>>
>>So, you have some days of work ahead... ;O) 
>
>Really when one needs a new Windows computer one needs a new computer

No.

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#1747

On Thu, 17 Jan 2013 11:19:38 +0400, Happy Oyster <-*-*.@.*-*-> wrote:

>On Wed, 16 Jan 2013 15:59:17 +1100, Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>On Tue, 15 Jan 2013 21:01:40 +0400, Happy Oyster <-*-*.@.*-*-> wrote:
>>
>>>Hi, I read you descrption and I read the answers. I admit that I do
>>>frown about some answers. 
>>>
>>>Okay, so I will give it a try. 
>>>
>>>Key problem might be the HDD. It has several areas. One area is for the
>>>data. But one totally different area is for booting, where the MBR is.
>>>Some HDDs are reported fine, but the MBR space can not be correctly
>>>written to. These HDDs one can only use for data, but one cannot boot
>>>from them. From time to time such HDDs are sold at eBay's. So one has to
>>>watch out NOT to buy such one if one wants to USE the computer with that
>>>HDD, booting from it. 
>>>
>>>During installation the Win XP wrote onto HDD. So writing in the data
>>>area of the HDD seems to work. 
>>>
>>>A strange problem might be HOW the HDD is access ("LBA") or other stuff.
>>>I you prepared the HDD in an other computer, THAT VERY SETTING of the
>>>OTHER computer is used for addressing on HDD. Might be that there are
>>>differences in the parameters of both BIOSes. You ought to check them. 
>>>
>>>About some MBR write-to preventions I have no clue. If a BIOS would have
>>>such a parameter, I would not enable it. Also, the question is how the
>>>installer of Win XP would react to such a write-barrier. 
>>>
>>>That some Thinkpads would REQUIRE the HDD to be prepared on THAT VERY
>>>THINKPAD where the HDD then is to be used I consider wrong. I guess that
>>>in those cases some addressing was not done correctly.
>>>
>>>An easy mistake to make is to install the OS completely correct, but
>>>spoil addressing of drive 1 and drive 2. You ought to check the jumpers
>>>on the HDD and look at time of boot into the BIOS and see how the HDD is
>>>recognized, as drive 1 or drive 2 - or simple "have none". 
>>>
>>>
>>>One test to make is to prepare the HDD on an other computer AND THERE
>>>install Win XP and see if it boots there. 
>>>
>>>One more test, quite simple and easy: install an other OS. Check it THAT
>>>is able to boot on the HDD. 
>>>
>>>Win XP is rather stupid. Before installing it, the partitioning should
>>>be done correctly and the "active" partition for booting must have the
>>>marker set in the partition table.
>>>
>>>One more pothole is how the boot actually is done. You ought to check
>>>the sequence for booting. Might be that the boot gets stuck by accessing
>>>some other device? The XP installs I had were prone for messing up with
>>>a) partitioning and b) sequence of devices. 
>>>
>>>
>>>So, you have some days of work ahead... ;O) 
>>
>>Really when one needs a new Windows computer one needs a new computer
>
>No.

You still run a SX386?
Why you don't
Worked fine with WIN3.11

My WIN7 32 bit laptop I bought five years ago and now getting too slow
Windows with their "updates" make it even slower.
The "upgrade" to WIN8 touch screen is what everyone faces doing

Really when one needs a new Windows computer one needs a new computer
Get the catalogue Harvey Norman, JB HiFi, Dick Smith, or whoever
Desktop Windows 8 touchscreens with 22 inch touch screens are
basically Desktop computers are now just a screen with a keyboard
smaller than a Laptop. Ebay search but check local from catalogue
http://tinyurl.com/c4npytl
For a car you can buy cheap inverters to power them from any 12 volt
supply Ebay search but get a pure Sine wave one for desktop cheaper
are OK for Laptop/Tablet as its just recharging battery
http://tinyurl.com/cyvqbld 
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#1742

"Happy Oyster" <-*-*.@.*-*-> wrote in message 
news:2t1bf8plus4nq7eo965687sekid5736k3h@4ax.com...
> On Fri, 11 Jan 2013 17:32:27 +1000, "S Campbell" <campbellfam@no.spam>
> wrote:
>
>>Hi friends
>>Have an IBM Thinkpad R30 and need to find out why it won't boot up from a
>>tested and formatted 20 Gb Toshiba drive after the first stage of Windows 
>>XP
>>installation.
>>So I installed Windows XP sp2 from a good CD I've used for years and first
>>stage of Windows XP installation goes OK without a glitch.  The computer
>>resets OK at this first stage.
>>When the computer reboots it says "press a key to boot from CD" and I 
>>don't
>>press a key.  After it times out the Windows XP installation won't
>>continue - the cursor just blinks on the screen.
>>If I take out the CD and reboot, the computer still won't boot from the 
>>hard
>>disk (after BIOS checks it goes to blank screen with a blinking cursor).
>>I have tested the hard disk and it appears OK.  I had connected it to
>>another XP computer, deleted the partition and formatted it as  NTFS.  The
>>Windows XP installation on the laptop accepts the format.
>>So the problem I am trying to figure out is why the laptop won't boot off
>>that hard drive when it has Win XP installation to continue?  I checked 
>>the
>>BIOS and it finds the HD okay.  I have also made it at the top of the Boot
>>order (and it is not disabled with '!' as these Thinkpads do)
>>So where on earth do I go from here?!
>>Thanks for any solutions to the above problem.
>
> Hi, I read you descrption and I read the answers. I admit that I do
> frown about some answers.

<snip remaining crappage>

What a brilliant way to spam the buggery out of the newsgroup with your 
links whilst offering advice more relevant for Windows 98 than anything that 
came after it.


-- 
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Cognicom

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#1745

On Wed, 16 Jan 2013 19:20:22 +1100, "Bob Milutinovic"
<cognicom@gmail.com> wrote:

>"Happy Oyster" <-*-*.@.*-*-> wrote in message 
>news:2t1bf8plus4nq7eo965687sekid5736k3h@4ax.com...
>> On Fri, 11 Jan 2013 17:32:27 +1000, "S Campbell" <campbellfam@no.spam>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>Hi friends
>>>Have an IBM Thinkpad R30 and need to find out why it won't boot up from a
>>>tested and formatted 20 Gb Toshiba drive after the first stage of Windows 
>>>XP
>>>installation.
>>>So I installed Windows XP sp2 from a good CD I've used for years and first
>>>stage of Windows XP installation goes OK without a glitch.  The computer
>>>resets OK at this first stage.
>>>When the computer reboots it says "press a key to boot from CD" and I 
>>>don't
>>>press a key.  After it times out the Windows XP installation won't
>>>continue - the cursor just blinks on the screen.
>>>If I take out the CD and reboot, the computer still won't boot from the 
>>>hard
>>>disk (after BIOS checks it goes to blank screen with a blinking cursor).
>>>I have tested the hard disk and it appears OK.  I had connected it to
>>>another XP computer, deleted the partition and formatted it as  NTFS.  The
>>>Windows XP installation on the laptop accepts the format.
>>>So the problem I am trying to figure out is why the laptop won't boot off
>>>that hard drive when it has Win XP installation to continue?  I checked 
>>>the
>>>BIOS and it finds the HD okay.  I have also made it at the top of the Boot
>>>order (and it is not disabled with '!' as these Thinkpads do)
>>>So where on earth do I go from here?!
>>>Thanks for any solutions to the above problem.
>>
>> Hi, I read you descrption and I read the answers. I admit that I do
>> frown about some answers.
>
><snip remaining crappage>
>
>What a brilliant way to spam the buggery out of the newsgroup with your 
>links whilst offering advice more relevant for Windows 98 than anything that 
>came after it.

Windows 8 is crap. YXour inability to realize this is impressive.
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#1748

"Happy Oyster" <-*-*.@.*-*-> wrote in message 
news:rd9ff8dc06amh5rrsuhje0qh7b3r6m0ve0@4ax.com...
> On Wed, 16 Jan 2013 19:20:22 +1100, "Bob Milutinovic"
> <cognicom@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>"Happy Oyster" <-*-*.@.*-*-> wrote in message
>>news:2t1bf8plus4nq7eo965687sekid5736k3h@4ax.com...
>>> On Fri, 11 Jan 2013 17:32:27 +1000, "S Campbell" <campbellfam@no.spam>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>Hi friends
>>>>Have an IBM Thinkpad R30 and need to find out why it won't boot up from 
>>>>a
>>>>tested and formatted 20 Gb Toshiba drive after the first stage of 
>>>>Windows
>>>>XP
>>>>installation.
>>>>So I installed Windows XP sp2 from a good CD I've used for years and 
>>>>first
>>>>stage of Windows XP installation goes OK without a glitch.  The computer
>>>>resets OK at this first stage.
>>>>When the computer reboots it says "press a key to boot from CD" and I
>>>>don't
>>>>press a key.  After it times out the Windows XP installation won't
>>>>continue - the cursor just blinks on the screen.
>>>>If I take out the CD and reboot, the computer still won't boot from the
>>>>hard
>>>>disk (after BIOS checks it goes to blank screen with a blinking cursor).
>>>>I have tested the hard disk and it appears OK.  I had connected it to
>>>>another XP computer, deleted the partition and formatted it as  NTFS. 
>>>>The
>>>>Windows XP installation on the laptop accepts the format.
>>>>So the problem I am trying to figure out is why the laptop won't boot 
>>>>off
>>>>that hard drive when it has Win XP installation to continue?  I checked
>>>>the
>>>>BIOS and it finds the HD okay.  I have also made it at the top of the 
>>>>Boot
>>>>order (and it is not disabled with '!' as these Thinkpads do)
>>>>So where on earth do I go from here?!
>>>>Thanks for any solutions to the above problem.
>>>
>>> Hi, I read you descrption and I read the answers. I admit that I do
>>> frown about some answers.
>>
>><snip remaining crappage>
>>
>>What a brilliant way to spam the buggery out of the newsgroup with your
>>links whilst offering advice more relevant for Windows 98 than anything 
>>that
>>came after it.
>
> Windows 8 is crap. YXour inability to realize this is impressive.

My inability to realise this? I was one of the first, if not _the_ first, to 
openly criticise it and vehemently advise against it - on this very 
newsgroup.

But then, why am I bothering to explain something like this to a spammer who 
still has the fresh stench of nappy rash cream?

-- 
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Cognicom

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#1768

"S Campbell" <campbellfam@no.spam> wrote in message 
news:eePHs.2459$1k5.439@viwinnwfe01.internal.bigpond.com...
> Hi friends
> Have an IBM Thinkpad R30 and need to find out why it won't boot up from a 
> tested and formatted 20 Gb Toshiba drive after the first stage of Windows 
> XP installation.
> So I installed Windows XP sp2 from a good CD I've used for years and first 
> stage of Windows XP installation goes OK without a glitch.  The computer 
> resets OK at this first stage.
> When the computer reboots it says "press a key to boot from CD" and I 
> don't press a key.  After it times out the Windows XP installation won't 
> continue - the cursor just blinks on the screen.
> If I take out the CD and reboot, the computer still won't boot from the 
> hard disk (after BIOS checks it goes to blank screen with a blinking 
> cursor).
> I have tested the hard disk and it appears OK.  I had connected it to 
> another XP computer, deleted the partition and formatted it as  NTFS.  The 
> Windows XP installation on the laptop accepts the format.
> So the problem I am trying to figure out is why the laptop won't boot off 
> that hard drive when it has Win XP installation to continue?  I checked 
> the BIOS and it finds the HD okay.  I have also made it at the top of the 
> Boot order (and it is not disabled with '!' as these Thinkpads do)
> So where on earth do I go from here?!
> Thanks for any solutions to the above problem.


Thanks to all who helped with this.  The solution for this was:
1. connect the hard disk to a working Windows XP computer using a IDE to USB 
adaptor
2. delete all partitions on that disk and recreate partitions/dynamic disk
3. re-install hard disk in the laptop
4. change R30's BIOS power management to Maximum Performance i.e. no power 
management
5. boot up from Win XP CD (can use F5 to select power management type if you 
want)
6. allow the Windows XP installer to remove and recreate the partition 
(couldn't do this before until I did steps 1 and 2) May have been something 
dodgy on the MBR/hard disk...
7. finish installation of Windows
8. on first boot, change ACPI power management under Device management to 
Standard computer.

--> Computer runs fine

So much info I had to gather to make it work...

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#1769

On Tue, 5 Feb 2013 19:49:40 +1000, "S Campbell" <campbellfam@no.spam>
wrote:

>"S Campbell" <campbellfam@no.spam> wrote in message 
>news:eePHs.2459$1k5.439@viwinnwfe01.internal.bigpond.com...
>> Hi friends
>> Have an IBM Thinkpad R30 and need to find out why it won't boot up from a 
>> tested and formatted 20 Gb Toshiba drive after the first stage of Windows 
>> XP installation.
>> So I installed Windows XP sp2 from a good CD I've used for years and first 
>> stage of Windows XP installation goes OK without a glitch.  The computer 
>> resets OK at this first stage.
>> When the computer reboots it says "press a key to boot from CD" and I 
>> don't press a key.  After it times out the Windows XP installation won't 
>> continue - the cursor just blinks on the screen.
>> If I take out the CD and reboot, the computer still won't boot from the 
>> hard disk (after BIOS checks it goes to blank screen with a blinking 
>> cursor).
>> I have tested the hard disk and it appears OK.  I had connected it to 
>> another XP computer, deleted the partition and formatted it as  NTFS.  The 
>> Windows XP installation on the laptop accepts the format.
>> So the problem I am trying to figure out is why the laptop won't boot off 
>> that hard drive when it has Win XP installation to continue?  I checked 
>> the BIOS and it finds the HD okay.  I have also made it at the top of the 
>> Boot order (and it is not disabled with '!' as these Thinkpads do)
>> So where on earth do I go from here?!
>> Thanks for any solutions to the above problem.
>
>
>Thanks to all who helped with this.  The solution for this was:
>1. connect the hard disk to a working Windows XP computer using a IDE to USB 
>adaptor
>2. delete all partitions on that disk and recreate partitions/dynamic disk
>3. re-install hard disk in the laptop
>4. change R30's BIOS power management to Maximum Performance i.e. no power 
>management
>5. boot up from Win XP CD (can use F5 to select power management type if you 
>want)
>6. allow the Windows XP installer to remove and recreate the partition 
>(couldn't do this before until I did steps 1 and 2) May have been something 
>dodgy on the MBR/hard disk...
>7. finish installation of Windows
>8. on first boot, change ACPI power management under Device management to 
>Standard computer.
>
>--> Computer runs fine
>
>So much info I had to gather to make it work...


If you had a dual boot OR if you could boot from an USA stick (I think)
it would not have been necessary to take the HDD out. 

ALSO an idea is to boot from CD and use the gparted and with that to the
partitioning work.

The advantage would be: no taking out the HDD ==> no possible damage to
the hardware. AND: being lazy sometimes has its advantages. ;O) 
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#1770

On Wed, 06 Feb 2013 09:33:46 +0400, Happy Oyster <-*-*.@.*-*-> wrote:

>On Tue, 5 Feb 2013 19:49:40 +1000, "S Campbell" <campbellfam@no.spam>
>wrote:
>
>>"S Campbell" <campbellfam@no.spam> wrote in message 
>>news:eePHs.2459$1k5.439@viwinnwfe01.internal.bigpond.com...
>>> Hi friends
>>> Have an IBM Thinkpad R30 and need to find out why it won't boot up from a 
>>> tested and formatted 20 Gb Toshiba drive after the first stage of Windows 
>>> XP installation.
>>> So I installed Windows XP sp2 from a good CD I've used for years and first 
>>> stage of Windows XP installation goes OK without a glitch.  The computer 
>>> resets OK at this first stage.
>>> When the computer reboots it says "press a key to boot from CD" and I 
>>> don't press a key.  After it times out the Windows XP installation won't 
>>> continue - the cursor just blinks on the screen.
>>> If I take out the CD and reboot, the computer still won't boot from the 
>>> hard disk (after BIOS checks it goes to blank screen with a blinking 
>>> cursor).
>>> I have tested the hard disk and it appears OK.  I had connected it to 
>>> another XP computer, deleted the partition and formatted it as  NTFS.  The 
>>> Windows XP installation on the laptop accepts the format.
>>> So the problem I am trying to figure out is why the laptop won't boot off 
>>> that hard drive when it has Win XP installation to continue?  I checked 
>>> the BIOS and it finds the HD okay.  I have also made it at the top of the 
>>> Boot order (and it is not disabled with '!' as these Thinkpads do)
>>> So where on earth do I go from here?!
>>> Thanks for any solutions to the above problem.
>>
>>
>>Thanks to all who helped with this.  The solution for this was:
>>1. connect the hard disk to a working Windows XP computer using a IDE to USB 
>>adaptor
>>2. delete all partitions on that disk and recreate partitions/dynamic disk
>>3. re-install hard disk in the laptop
>>4. change R30's BIOS power management to Maximum Performance i.e. no power 
>>management
>>5. boot up from Win XP CD (can use F5 to select power management type if you 
>>want)
>>6. allow the Windows XP installer to remove and recreate the partition 
>>(couldn't do this before until I did steps 1 and 2) May have been something 
>>dodgy on the MBR/hard disk...
>>7. finish installation of Windows
>>8. on first boot, change ACPI power management under Device management to 
>>Standard computer.
>>
>>--> Computer runs fine
>>
>>So much info I had to gather to make it work...
>
>
>If you had a dual boot OR if you could boot from an USA stick (I think)
                                                     *********
>it would not have been necessary to take the HDD out. 
>
>ALSO an idea is to boot from CD and use the gparted and with that to the
>partitioning work.
>
>The advantage would be: no taking out the HDD ==> no possible damage to
>the hardware. AND: being lazy sometimes has its advantages. ;O) 


Better make that an USB stick. ;O) 
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#1771

"S Campbell" <campbellfam@no.spam> wrote in news:UA4Qs.3429$Ow3.1467
@viwinnwfe02.internal.bigpond.com:

> So much info I had to gather to make it work...


You made it much harder than it needed to be. I didn't bother weighing in 
on this earlier because Tom Cole gave you the precisely correct answer 
long ago.  The key is all partitioning work *must* be done in the 
laptop--and a few other people also pointed to that as the possible 
source of the problem.

This is a well known idiosyncracy of IBM/Lenovo laptops (and HP/Compaq 
laptops, BTW).  The drive "geometry" for setting up partitions is 
determined by the machine's bios, so any given hard drive will appear to 
have one geometry (specifically, 240 heads) in a HP/Compaq/IBM/Lenovo 
laptop yet have a different geometry in a desktop or other laptops (255 
heads).  Note this has nothing to do with the brand of hard drive, it's a 
bios problem and happens with all drives.  When you removed the hard 
drive and partitioned it in another machine, you created partitions as 
though the drive had 255 heads, yet Windows was trying to install on a 
hard drive that the Thinkpad bios insisted had 240 heads.

The solution is to make sure you do all partitioning with the hard drive 
in the Thinkpad, not removed to elsewhere.  As Tom said, the XP install 
CD would have created proper partitions on a blank hard drive, so there 
was no need to jump through any other hoops.

Once you messed it up by improperly partitioning the drive, the easiest 
remedy would have been to delete all existing partitions, then restart 
with the XP CD and let XP handle it as a new, blank drive.  As others 
suggested, a bootable CD with gparted or any similar standalone 
partitioner could have been used for that.

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#1773

Thanks for the reply.

"dg1261" <dgREMOVE-THIS1261@cs.com> wrote in message 
news:XnsA15FB67AC35CCdgREMOVETHIS1261csco@78.46.70.116...
> "S Campbell" <campbellfam@no.spam> wrote in news:UA4Qs.3429$Ow3.1467
> @viwinnwfe02.internal.bigpond.com:
>
>> So much info I had to gather to make it work...
>
> You made it much harder than it needed to be.

Actually, no.  The first time I turned on the computer, booted with XP and 
tried to install, the installer refused to accept the hard drive until I 
reset it in another computer.

I thought it was faster to just plug the HD into another PC via USB and 
delete the old partitions (most likely corrupted), and restart the installer 
in the Thinkpad than go through the Gparted route, not knowing if the PC 
would boot from a CD-R, take more time, etc.  As I mentioned there was 
something strange with this particular hard disk which the xp installer 
would refuse to accept until I quickly and easily fixed on another pc.

But I certainly understand that the thinkpads need the xp installer to 
accept/configure the drive, but as I said, it couldn't initially.

> I didn't bother weighing in
> on this earlier because Tom Cole gave you the precisely correct answer
> long ago.  The key is all partitioning work *must* be done in the
> laptop--and a few other people also pointed to that as the possible
> source of the problem.
>
> This is a well known idiosyncracy of IBM/Lenovo laptops (and HP/Compaq
> laptops, BTW).  The drive "geometry" for setting up partitions is
> determined by the machine's bios, so any given hard drive will appear to
> have one geometry (specifically, 240 heads) in a HP/Compaq/IBM/Lenovo
> laptop yet have a different geometry in a desktop or other laptops (255
> heads).  Note this has nothing to do with the brand of hard drive, it's a
> bios problem and happens with all drives.  When you removed the hard
> drive and partitioned it in another machine, you created partitions as
> though the drive had 255 heads, yet Windows was trying to install on a
> hard drive that the Thinkpad bios insisted had 240 heads.
>
> The solution is to make sure you do all partitioning with the hard drive
> in the Thinkpad, not removed to elsewhere.  As Tom said, the XP install
> CD would have created proper partitions on a blank hard drive, so there
> was no need to jump through any other hoops.
>
> Once you messed it up by improperly partitioning the drive, the easiest
> remedy would have been to delete all existing partitions, then restart
> with the XP CD and let XP handle it as a new, blank drive.  As others
> suggested, a bootable CD with gparted or any similar standalone
> partitioner could have been used for that.
>
 

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#1776

"S Campbell" <campbellfam@no.spam> wrote in
news:tFXQs.3498$Ow3.3434@viwinnwfe02.internal.bigpond.com: 

>> You made it much harder than it needed to be.
> 
> Actually, no.  The first time I turned on the computer, booted with XP
> and tried to install, the installer refused to accept the hard drive
> until I reset it in another computer.
> 
> I thought it was faster to just plug the HD into another PC via USB
> and delete the old partitions (most likely corrupted), and restart the
> installer in the Thinkpad than go through the Gparted route, not
> knowing if the PC would boot from a CD-R, take more time, etc.  As I
> mentioned there was something strange with this particular hard disk
> which the xp installer would refuse to accept until I quickly and
> easily fixed on another pc. 


I've worked on many of those old R30s and R40s, and as I said, it's a 
long known issue.  Like you, I personally find it easier to pull the 
drive and use another machine to reset it, but that only involves about 5 
seconds with a disk editor (like Roadkil's SecEdit) to zero the first 
sector, then return it to Thinkpad.  If someone isn't comfortable with 
that technique, then the gparted route is a sufficiently simple option 
for a similar result.  All that rigamarole with making it a dynamic disk 
and then deleting it qualifies, IMO, as making things harder than it 
needed to be.

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#1774

also I think ACPI was causing a problem and 'maximum performance' in the 
bios solved the booting problem. then it was changing the acpi driver in xp 
to make the computer reliable.

"dg1261" <dgREMOVE-THIS1261@cs.com> wrote in message 
news:XnsA15FB67AC35CCdgREMOVETHIS1261csco@78.46.70.116...
> "S Campbell" <campbellfam@no.spam> wrote in news:UA4Qs.3429$Ow3.1467
> @viwinnwfe02.internal.bigpond.com:
>
>> So much info I had to gather to make it work...
>
>
> You made it much harder than it needed to be. I didn't bother weighing in
> on this earlier because Tom Cole gave you the precisely correct answer
> long ago.  The key is all partitioning work *must* be done in the
> laptop--and a few other people also pointed to that as the possible
> source of the problem.
>
> This is a well known idiosyncracy of IBM/Lenovo laptops (and HP/Compaq
> laptops, BTW).  The drive "geometry" for setting up partitions is
> determined by the machine's bios, so any given hard drive will appear to
> have one geometry (specifically, 240 heads) in a HP/Compaq/IBM/Lenovo
> laptop yet have a different geometry in a desktop or other laptops (255
> heads).  Note this has nothing to do with the brand of hard drive, it's a
> bios problem and happens with all drives.  When you removed the hard
> drive and partitioned it in another machine, you created partitions as
> though the drive had 255 heads, yet Windows was trying to install on a
> hard drive that the Thinkpad bios insisted had 240 heads.
>
> The solution is to make sure you do all partitioning with the hard drive
> in the Thinkpad, not removed to elsewhere.  As Tom said, the XP install
> CD would have created proper partitions on a blank hard drive, so there
> was no need to jump through any other hoops.
>
> Once you messed it up by improperly partitioning the drive, the easiest
> remedy would have been to delete all existing partitions, then restart
> with the XP CD and let XP handle it as a new, blank drive.  As others
> suggested, a bootable CD with gparted or any similar standalone
> partitioner could have been used for that.
> 

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