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Re: Poll: How much battery drainage in shutdown/hibernation

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BeadyBeady Bee wrote:
> Hi, Bill,
>
> Sorry, I don't think I was all that clear in my other thread.  Yes, I
> did pop out the battery for a few seconds before reinserting.  The
> problem persists despite doing that.
>
> The CPU is an i5.
>
> To me, it seems to be a design flaw for a laptop to discharge the
> battery when shut down or hibernated.  What that implies is that the
> battery is actually powering some function in hibernation or
> shutdown.  However, we all know (I hope) that if you remove the
> battery for some time before reinsertion, it shouldn't affect the
> resumption from hibernation one bit (or the boot up, in the case of
> shut down).  All that is served by the discharging battery in
> hibernation/shutdown is to require the user to remove the battery if
> there is any chance that he/she will not use that laptop ahead of time
> (something that is not always known or planned ahead of time).  If you
> put away the laptop with the expectation of using it soon, but it
> turns out that you don't...you could end up discharging the battery.
> Unfortunately, it is inadvisable to frequently discharge modern
> batteries to zero because is harmful to the lifetime of the battery.
>
> As well, if you're called away on a trip, your travel preparations
> checklist will include:
>
>    1) Unplug laptop (in case a thunder storm occurs while you are
> away)
>
>    2) Clear desk of papers enough to unplug cables to the laptop and
> flip it over to remove battery
>
> Considering that things are pretty hectic prior to travel, requirement
> #2 is just an added unwelcome complication that should be unnecessary
> if the laptop was properly designed.  The real irony seems to be that
> laptops were properly designed (at least in this respect) in the past.

Well I don't disagree with you one bit. But this deal of off doesn't 
mean off started way back in the old TV vacuum tube days. And I forgot 
which company started it. But some TVs never turned off the vacuum tube 
heaters (although they ran at a lower voltage than the normal operating 
voltage was). So why did they do this? Simple, to allow almost instant 
on when you turned on the TV.

This practice has continued to this very day. Lots of devices never 
turns everything off when you turn them off. If they run off of AC, you 
need an external power switch. And if they run off of batteries, you 
have to remove the batteries.

Sure some devices uses so little power that you probably don't notice 
any power drain. But some are not so nice. Take my Palm IIIc for 
example. There is no real power off. As it is either living in standby 
or on. You have no other choice. And living in standby (the closest 
thing to off), drains the battery in about two weeks. And you have to 
disassemble the Palm to disconnect the battery. Thus why I leave it 
connected all of the time. But I do keep it on the charger most of the 
time because of this.

My Asus 701/702 netbooks also has a battery drain problem. Which also 
drains the battery in about a two week period of time when off. Also 
odd, even without a battery installed and they are off, they are drawing 
1.5 watts of power from the AC. Although I have to admit, the USB ports 
still has power under these conditions. So that probably explains what 
most of that 1.5 watts are be used for.

My Gateway MX6124 laptops also drain the battery in about 2 weeks being 
off. I never tested these Gateway M465 laptops, but I wouldn't be 
surprised if they drain the battery too.

So I am with you that I too believe there should be an option for a real 
off on all devices. But I am afraid most manufactures care very much if 
we want this or not. :-(

-- 
Bill
Gateway M465e ('06 era) - OE-QuoteFix v1.19.2
Centrino Core Duo 1.83G - 2GB - Windows XP SP3 

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Re: Poll: How much battery drainage in shutdown/hibernation "BillW50" <BillW50@aol.kom> - 2011-04-30 07:40 -0500
  Re: Poll: How much battery drainage in shutdown/hibernation BeadyBeady Bee <beadybeadybee@gmail.com> - 2011-05-01 08:38 -0700
    Re: Poll: How much battery drainage in shutdown/hibernation AJL <1245nomail@none.com> - 2011-05-01 21:57 -0700
      Re: Poll: How much battery drainage in shutdown/hibernation BeadyBeady Bee <beadybeadybee@gmail.com> - 2011-05-02 21:40 -0700
    Re: Poll: How much battery drainage in shutdown/hibernation "BillW50" <BillW50@aol.kom> - 2011-05-05 09:35 -0500
      Re: Poll: How much battery drainage in shutdown/hibernation wrat@panix.com (the wharf rat) - 2011-05-05 18:22 +0000
        Re: Poll: How much battery drainage in shutdown/hibernation BeadyBeady Bee <beadybeadybee@gmail.com> - 2011-05-05 19:27 -0700
      Re: Poll: How much battery drainage in shutdown/hibernation BeadyBeady Bee <beadybeadybee@gmail.com> - 2011-05-05 19:27 -0700

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