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  New Toshiba laptop with Windows 7 Yousuf Khan <bbbl67@spammenot.yahoo.com> - 2012-02-03 14:52 -0500
    Re: New Toshiba laptop with Windows 7 Tony <Tony@TheDeli.Sandwich> - 2012-02-03 15:12 -0500
    Re: New Toshiba laptop with Windows 7 Ed Cryer <ed@somewhere.in.the.uk> - 2012-02-03 21:21 +0000
      Re: New Toshiba laptop with Windows 7 Yousuf Khan <bbbl67@spammenot.yahoo.com> - 2012-02-03 22:50 -0500
        Re: New Toshiba laptop with Windows 7 "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2012-02-04 17:38 +1100
          Re: New Toshiba laptop with Windows 7 Yousuf Khan <bbbl67@spammenot.yahoo.com> - 2012-02-04 17:30 -0500
        Re: New Toshiba laptop with Windows 7 Paul <nospam@needed.com> - 2012-02-04 02:56 -0500
          Re: New Toshiba laptop with Windows 7 Yousuf Khan <bbbl67@spammenot.yahoo.com> - 2012-02-04 17:48 -0500
            Re: New Toshiba laptop with Windows 7 Paul <nospam@needed.com> - 2012-02-04 19:30 -0500
              Re: New Toshiba laptop with Windows 7 Yousuf Khan <bbbl67@spammenot.yahoo.com> - 2012-02-06 17:19 -0500
                Re: New Toshiba laptop with Windows 7 Mike Tomlinson <mike@jasper.org.uk> - 2012-02-07 03:36 +0000
                  Re: New Toshiba laptop with Windows 7 Yousuf Khan <bbbl67@spammenot.yahoo.com> - 2012-02-07 09:43 -0500
                    Re: New Toshiba laptop with Windows 7 Paul <nospam@needed.com> - 2012-02-07 11:39 -0500
                    Re: New Toshiba laptop with Windows 7 Mike Tomlinson <mike@jasper.org.uk> - 2012-02-07 17:56 +0000
                      Re: New Toshiba laptop with Windows 7 Yousuf Khan <bbbl67@spammenot.yahoo.com> - 2012-02-08 23:52 -0500
                        Re: New Toshiba laptop with Windows 7 Arno <me@privacy.net> - 2012-02-09 08:14 +0000
                          Re: New Toshiba laptop with Windows 7 Yousuf Khan <bbbl67@spammenot.yahoo.com> - 2012-02-09 14:15 -0500
                            Re: New Toshiba laptop with Windows 7 "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2012-02-10 08:25 +1100
                              Re: New Toshiba laptop with Windows 7 Yousuf Khan <bbbl67@spammenot.yahoo.com> - 2012-02-10 14:31 -0500
                                Re: New Toshiba laptop with Windows 7 a1pcfixer <a1pcfixer@comcast.net> - 2012-02-10 14:37 -0600
                                Re: New Toshiba laptop with Windows 7 "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2012-02-11 10:02 +1100
                                  Re: New Toshiba laptop with Windows 7 AndyHancock <andymhancock@gmail.com> - 2012-02-11 11:05 -0800
                                    Re: New Toshiba laptop with Windows 7 "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2012-02-12 07:19 +1100
                        Re: New Toshiba laptop with Windows 7 Mike Tomlinson <mike@jasper.org.uk> - 2012-02-09 08:26 +0000
                        Re: New Toshiba laptop with Windows 7 "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2012-02-09 20:20 +1100
                          Re: New Toshiba laptop with Windows 7 Yousuf Khan <bbbl67@spammenot.yahoo.com> - 2012-02-10 14:33 -0500
                            Re: New Toshiba laptop with Windows 7 "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2012-02-11 10:05 +1100
                        Re: New Toshiba laptop with Windows 7 Paul <nospam@needed.com> - 2012-02-09 09:40 -0500
                    Re: New Toshiba laptop with Windows 7 "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2012-02-08 07:02 +1100
    Re: New Toshiba laptop with Windows 7 Ed Light <nobody@nobody.there> - 2012-02-03 18:01 -0800
      Re: New Toshiba laptop with Windows 7 Ed Light <nobody@nobody.there> - 2012-02-03 18:04 -0800
      Re: New Toshiba laptop with Windows 7 a1pcfixer <a1pcfixer@comcast.net> - 2012-02-03 21:42 -0600

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#2604

Yousuf Khan wrote
> Rod Speed wrote
>> Yousuf Khan wrote
>>> Arno wrote

>>>> If you do a sector-image, the partition type should not matter.

>>> I've gone ahead and let Ptedit32 change the partition types, and then after a reboot, the two partitions were 
>>> actually automatically mounted by Windows as E: and F:.

>> And thats presumably why Toshiba chooses to fake the partition type, so that doesnt happen.

> I've now made an image of both partitions and blown away the original partitions, and it looks like the two partitions 
> are almost identical, both seem to be Windows recovery partitions, even though only one of them is listed as a Windows 
> recovery partition.

Andy said that someone told him, forget who he said it was now, that
one is the diskless recovery and the other creates the recovery disks.

> In fact, the 13GB is all either of them needed, I'm not sure why Toshiba decided to make one 24GB, it was nearly half 
> empty.

Presumably it uses the free space when doing the diskless recovery,
maybe as where it puts some of the settings etc so you dont have
just the option of a return to the factory config as supplied etc.

> I'm not sure if maybe one of them was a 32-bit Windows image, while the other one was 64-bit. But they both seem to 
> contain directories named "64" inside.

That appears to blow that theory up.

> One could be a Toshiba-centric customization of Windows 7, or something.

Yeah, tho that doesnt explain the free space.

Bet the small one creates the recovery disks and the larger one does
the diskless recovery with at least optionally some way of preserving
settings or additional installs etc if the story Andy got is correct. 

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#2610

On Feb 10, 6:02 pm, "Rod Speed" <rod.speed....@gmail.com> wrote:
> Yousuf Khan wrote
>
> > Rod Speed wrote
> >> Yousuf Khan wrote
> >>> Arno wrote
> >>>> If you do a sector-image, the partition type should not matter.
> >>> I've gone ahead and let Ptedit32 change the partition types, and then after a reboot, the two partitions were
> >>> actually automatically mounted by Windows as E: and F:.
> >> And thats presumably why Toshiba chooses to fake the partition type, so that doesnt happen.
> > I've now made an image of both partitions and blown away the original partitions, and it looks like the two partitions
> > are almost identical, both seem to be Windows recovery partitions, even though only one of them is listed as a Windows
> > recovery partition.
>
> Andy said that someone told him, forget who he said it was now, that
> one is the diskless recovery and the other creates the recovery disks.
>
> > In fact, the 13GB is all either of them needed, I'm not sure why Toshiba decided to make one 24GB, it was nearly half
> > empty.
>
> Presumably it uses the free space when doing the diskless recovery,
> maybe as where it puts some of the settings etc so you dont have
> just the option of a return to the factory config as supplied etc.
>
> > I'm not sure if maybe one of them was a 32-bit Windows image, while the other one was 64-bit. But they both seem to
> > contain directories named "64" inside.
>
> That appears to blow that theory up.
>
> > One could be a Toshiba-centric customization of Windows 7, or something.
>
> Yeah, tho that doesnt explain the free space.
>
> Bet the small one creates the recovery disks and the larger one does
> the diskless recovery with at least optionally some way of preserving
> settings or additional installs etc if the story Andy got is correct.

Just got the laptop back this week, been trying to do due diligence,
tests, etc.  New HDD and new mobo (including video chip).
Unfortunately, the HDD got an unintended BUMP in the process.  I mean
with the all-caps.

About the purposes of partitions 3 & 4, it's all a bit foggy, since
it's gathered through peoples experienced assessments on Toshiba
forums (Toshiba.com and Toshiba-europe), as well as Seagate & Norton
forums.  As well, from talking with Toshiba technical support.  As you
might have gathered from your experience, anything they say over the
phone is not to be taken as authoritatively accurate (likely even less
than the info from forums, both Toshiba and others).  But yes, the
gist I got was that partitions 3 & 4 are for recovery discs, disc-less
recovery, and other-language info for the above.  *If* that is
accurage, then how they are distributed between the partitions isn't
all that clear to me.  Sorry I couldn't be more helpful than that.

P.S. Sorry for fragmenting the thread, but I got the following
message:

Google Groups does not currently support posting to the following
usenet groups: "alt.windows7.general"

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#2615

AndyHancock wrote
> Rod Speed <rod.speed....@gmail.com> wrote
>> Yousuf Khan wrote
>>> Rod Speed wrote
>>>> Yousuf Khan wrote
>>>>> Arno wrote

>>>>>> If you do a sector-image, the partition type should not matter.

>>>>> I've gone ahead and let Ptedit32 change the partition types,
>>>>> and then after a reboot, the two partitions were actually
>>>>> automatically mounted by Windows as E: and F:.

>>>> And thats presumably why Toshiba chooses to fake the partition
>>>> type, so that doesnt happen.

>>> I've now made an image of both partitions and blown away the
>>> original partitions, and it looks like the two partitions are
>>> almost identical, both seem to be Windows recovery partitions, even
>>> though only one of them is listed as a Windows recovery partition.

>> Andy said that someone told him, forget who he said it was now, that
>> one is the diskless recovery and the other creates the recovery disks.

>>> In fact, the 13GB is all either of them needed, I'm not sure why
>>> Toshiba decided to make one 24GB, it was nearly half empty.

>> Presumably it uses the free space when doing the diskless recovery,
>> maybe as where it puts some of the settings etc so you dont have
>> just the option of a return to the factory config as supplied etc.

>>> I'm not sure if maybe one of them was a 32-bit Windows image, while
>>> the other one was 64-bit. But they both seem to contain directories
>>> named "64" inside.

>> That appears to blow that theory up.

>>> One could be a Toshiba-centric customization of Windows 7, or something.

>> Yeah, tho that doesnt explain the free space.

>> Bet the small one creates the recovery disks and the larger one does
>> the diskless recovery with at least optionally some way of preserving
>> settings or additional installs etc if the story Andy got is correct.

> Just got the laptop back this week, been trying to do due diligence,
> tests, etc.  New HDD and new mobo (including video chip).

> Unfortunately, the HDD got an unintended BUMP in the process.
> I mean with the all-caps.

Urk, what happened there ?

> About the purposes of partitions 3 & 4, it's all a bit foggy, since
> it's gathered through peoples experienced assessments on Toshiba
> forums (Toshiba.com and Toshiba-europe), as well as Seagate & Norton
> forums.  As well, from talking with Toshiba technical support.  As you
> might have gathered from your experience, anything they say over the
> phone is not to be taken as authoritatively accurate (likely even less
> than the info from forums, both Toshiba and others).  But yes, the
> gist I got was that partitions 3 & 4 are for recovery discs, disc-less
> recovery, and other-language info for the above.  *If* that is
> accurage, then how they are distributed between the partitions isn't
> all that clear to me.  Sorry I couldn't be more helpful than that.

> P.S. Sorry for fragmenting the thread, but I got the following message:

> Google Groups does not currently support posting to the following
> usenet groups: "alt.windows7.general"

No problem, gg can be a bit quirky at times. 

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#2584

En el artículo <4f3350c5$1@news.bnb-lp.com>, Yousuf Khan
<bbbl67@spammenot.yahoo.com> escribió:

>I wonder if I can just change the partition type from 17 to 07, then 
>it'll become a standard NTFS. I should then be able to just back it up 
>with my imaging program.

Just changing the partition type should not be data-destructive, but if
you're ultra-cautious, as a precaution you could make an image of the
partition elsewhere and change the type on that to 07, then see if it
appears as a normal NTFS filesystem.

-- 
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(='.'=)
(")_(")

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#2585

Yousuf Khan wrote
> Mike Tomlinson wrote
>> Yousuf Khan <bbbl67@spammenot.yahoo.com> wrote

>>> It says both are "hid HPFS/NTFS"

>> there's your answer then.

>> TestDisk has a 'file browser' built-in.  If those partitions are  NTFS, it should be able to produce a list of files 
>> for you.  That'll confirm that they are NTFS format and not some Toshiba proprietary format.

> I wonder if I can just change the partition type from 17 to 07, then
> it'll become a standard NTFS. I should then be able to just back it up
> with my imaging program.

Any decent imaging program can back it up regardless of whether it recognised the file system or not. 

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#2602

On 09/02/2012 4:20 AM, Rod Speed wrote:
> Yousuf Khan wrote
>> I wonder if I can just change the partition type from 17 to 07, then
>> it'll become a standard NTFS. I should then be able to just back it up
>> with my imaging program.
>
> Any decent imaging program can back it up regardless of whether it recognised the file system or not.

The Windows imaging programs tend to be a bit smart, so they need to 
know a little bit about the overlying filesystem.

	Yousuf Khan

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#2605

Yousuf Khan wrote
> Rod Speed wrote
>> Yousuf Khan wrote

>>> I wonder if I can just change the partition type from 17 to 07, then it'll become a standard NTFS. I should then be 
>>> able to just back it up with my imaging program.

>> Any decent imaging program can back it up regardless of whether it recognised the file system or not.

> The Windows imaging programs tend to be a bit smart, so they need to know a little bit about the overlying filesystem.

Thats not true of Acronis True Image. It will be smart enough to save only
the parts of the partition that are actually used with file systems that it
recognises and does a sector by sector image of those where it doesnt.

I've never tried it with a partition whose partition type is faked
to see if it can pick file systems with faked partition types.

It certainly handles more than just FAT and NTFS file systems. 

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#2586

Yousuf Khan wrote:
> On 07/02/2012 12:56 PM, Mike Tomlinson wrote:
>> En el artículo<4f31387a$1@news.bnb-lp.com>, Yousuf Khan
>> <bbbl67@spammenot.yahoo.com>  escribió:
>>
>>> It says both are "hid HPFS/NTFS"
>>
>> there's your answer then.
>>
>> TestDisk has a 'file browser' built-in.  If those partitions are NTFS,
>> it should be able to produce a list of files for you.  That'll confirm
>> that they are NTFS format and not some Toshiba proprietary format.
> 
> I wonder if I can just change the partition type from 17 to 07, then 
> it'll become a standard NTFS. I should then be able to just back it up 
> with my imaging program.
> 
>     Yousuf Khan

There is a good chance that will work.

But if I had doubts, I'd use "disktype". I have a USB flash with
Ubuntu on it, with a copy of disktype loaded. I can plug that into
a machine and have an answer in about 3 minutes or so (slow slow boot,
partially the fault of the flash).

    Paul

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#2572

Yousuf Khan wrote
> Mike Tomlinson wrote
>> Yousuf Khan <bbbl67@spammenot.yahoo.com> wrote

>>> It's probable, but when I used the command-line based Windows util,
>>> diskpart.exe (which I assume is more powerful than the graphical
>>> Disk Management utility), it couldn't recognize the filesystem on
>>> the Type 17 partitions. I did recognize the filesystem on the type
>>> 27 partition, even though that's also considered a hidden NTFS.

>> What does TestDisk say?

>> http://www.cgsecurity.org/wiki/TestDisk

> It says both are "hid HPFS/NTFS"

>>> I suppose I could read it raw with the Unix/Linux-based DD utility,
>>> but then I need to clear off this partition to even get Unix on this
>>> machine. Lotsa catch-22's.

>> use a live CD.

> You'd still need to be able to store the image file on a large enough
> file system, which usually means the internal hard disk.

Nope, the better live CDs can store on an external drive fine. 

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#2541

With Bootit Bare Metal partition & boot manager, you can have lots of 
primary partitions, but of course, only 4 active for one boot choice.

I think you can only have one active extended partition, but of course 
with lots of volumes, any of which you can hide for a boot choice.

It comes with an imaging program built in.

PS Once you don't limit primary partitions, you must use only Bootit to 
alter partitions.
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#2542

PS re Bootit.

The way I use it on my netbook is, I have an extended partition with 
various data volumes, then of course there's the factory restore 
partition, and the Bootit partition. I shrunk the original C: partition 
way down to 30 Gigs, and I have a copy of it as an alternate. I have 
images of C: in a volume that I update when changes are made to C:, so I 
can pull out of any difficulties by restoring, and the data is 
untouched, being on the volumes.

Ta da!

On the bootit site there are faq's about linux, plus there's a great 
newsgroup where you get really quick answers.

It's a very geeky program.

bootitng.com

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#2543

Ed,

> With Bootit Bare Metal partition & boot manager

Might help to give a link<g>

http://www.terabyteunlimited.com/index.htm

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