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| Started by | Castor Nageur <guilbert.stabilo@gmail.com> |
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| First post | 2011-12-27 07:00 -0800 |
| Last post | 2011-12-28 08:00 +0000 |
| Articles | 11 on this page of 51 — 9 participants |
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How can I reformat a (very) damaged hard disk ? Castor Nageur <guilbert.stabilo@gmail.com> - 2011-12-27 07:00 -0800
Re: How can I reformat a (very) damaged hard disk ? "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2011-12-28 05:16 +1100
Re: How can I reformat a (very) damaged hard disk ? Castor Nageur <guilbert.stabilo@gmail.com> - 2011-12-27 14:12 -0800
Re: How can I reformat a (very) damaged hard disk ? Kirk Bubul <khbubul@charter.net> - 2011-12-27 18:30 -0600
Re: How can I reformat a (very) damaged hard disk ? Winniethepooh@100acrewoods.net (GMAN) - 2011-12-28 17:49 +0000
Re: How can I reformat a (very) damaged hard disk ? Castor Nageur <guilbert.stabilo@gmail.com> - 2011-12-28 13:06 -0800
Re: How can I reformat a (very) damaged hard disk ? Winniethepooh@100acrewoods.net (GMAN) - 2011-12-28 22:41 +0000
Re: How can I reformat a (very) damaged hard disk ? Castor Nageur <guilbert.stabilo@gmail.com> - 2011-12-29 08:40 -0800
Re: How can I reformat a (very) damaged hard disk ? Winniethepooh@100acrewoods.net (GMAN) - 2011-12-29 17:41 +0000
Re: How can I reformat a (very) damaged hard disk ? Castor Nageur <guilbert.stabilo@gmail.com> - 2011-12-29 10:12 -0800
Re: How can I reformat a (very) damaged hard disk ? Winniethepooh@100acrewoods.net (GMAN) - 2011-12-30 17:11 +0000
Re: How can I reformat a (very) damaged hard disk ? Arno <me@privacy.net> - 2011-12-31 13:58 +0000
Re: How can I reformat a (very) damaged hard disk ? Winniethepooh@100acrewoods.net (GMAN) - 2012-01-01 20:31 +0000
Re: How can I reformat a (very) damaged hard disk ? Joseph Terner <jtusenet-nospam@gmx.de> - 2011-12-29 19:11 +0000
Re: How can I reformat a (very) damaged hard disk ? Castor Nageur <guilbert.stabilo@gmail.com> - 2011-12-29 12:57 -0800
Re: How can I reformat a (very) damaged hard disk ? "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2011-12-30 10:16 +1100
Re: How can I reformat a (very) damaged hard disk ? Arno <me@privacy.net> - 2011-12-30 11:53 +0000
Re: How can I reformat a (very) damaged hard disk ? "Salam" <salem@dogfucker.com> - 2011-12-31 04:27 +1100
Re: How can I reformat a (very) damaged hard disk ? Arno <me@privacy.net> - 2011-12-31 13:55 +0000
Re: How can I reformat a (very) damaged hard disk ? "Salam" <salem@dogfucker.com> - 2012-01-01 05:44 +1100
Re: How can I reformat a (very) damaged hard disk ? Arno <me@privacy.net> - 2012-01-01 02:33 +0000
Re: How can I reformat a (very) damaged hard disk ? "Salam" <salem@dogfucker.com> - 2012-01-01 14:09 +1100
Re: How can I reformat a (very) damaged hard disk ? Winniethepooh@100acrewoods.net (GMAN) - 2011-12-30 17:13 +0000
Re: How can I reformat a (very) damaged hard disk ? Arno <me@privacy.net> - 2011-12-31 13:57 +0000
Re: How can I reformat a (very) damaged hard disk ? "Salam" <salem@dogfucker.com> - 2012-01-01 05:48 +1100
Re: How can I reformat a (very) damaged hard disk ? Arno <me@privacy.net> - 2011-12-30 11:52 +0000
Re: How can I reformat a (very) damaged hard disk ? christophe colomb <christophe.colomb@gmail.com> - 2011-12-30 04:06 -0800
Re: How can I reformat a (very) damaged hard disk ? Winniethepooh@100acrewoods.net (GMAN) - 2011-12-30 17:16 +0000
Re: How can I reformat a (very) damaged hard disk ? Arno <me@privacy.net> - 2011-12-31 13:49 +0000
Re: How can I reformat a (very) damaged hard disk ? Winniethepooh@100acrewoods.net (GMAN) - 2012-01-01 20:19 +0000
Re: How can I reformat a (very) damaged hard disk ? Arno <me@privacy.net> - 2012-01-02 08:32 +0000
Re: How can I reformat a (very) damaged hard disk ? "Salam" <salem@dogfucker.com> - 2012-01-02 20:00 +1100
Re: How can I reformat a (very) damaged hard disk ? Winniethepooh@100acrewoods.net (GMAN) - 2012-01-02 17:56 +0000
Re: How can I reformat a (very) damaged hard disk ? Arno <me@privacy.net> - 2012-01-02 22:28 +0000
Re: How can I reformat a (very) damaged hard disk ? "Salam" <salem@dogfucker.com> - 2012-01-03 19:48 +1100
Re: How can I reformat a (very) damaged hard disk ? Arno <me@privacy.net> - 2011-12-31 13:48 +0000
Re: How can I reformat a (very) damaged hard disk ? Winniethepooh@100acrewoods.net (GMAN) - 2012-01-01 20:17 +0000
Re: How can I reformat a (very) damaged hard disk ? Arno <me@privacy.net> - 2012-01-02 08:36 +0000
Re: How can I reformat a (very) damaged hard disk ? Winniethepooh@100acrewoods.net (GMAN) - 2012-01-02 17:57 +0000
Re: How can I reformat a (very) damaged hard disk ? Arno <me@privacy.net> - 2012-01-02 22:30 +0000
Re: How can I reformat a (very) damaged hard disk ? "arno fucker" <af@arnofucker.com> - 2012-01-03 20:06 +1100
Re: How can I reformat a (very) damaged hard disk ? Joseph Terner <jtusenet-nospam@gmx.de> - 2012-01-03 10:14 +0000
Re: How can I reformat a (very) damaged hard disk ? Winniethepooh@100acrewoods.net (GMAN) - 2012-01-03 17:27 +0000
Re: How can I reformat a (very) damaged hard disk ? Castor Nageur <guilbert.stabilo@gmail.com> - 2011-12-30 04:14 -0800
Re: How can I reformat a (very) damaged hard disk ? Castor Nageur <guilbert.stabilo@gmail.com> - 2011-12-30 05:31 -0800
Re: How can I reformat a (very) damaged hard disk ? Arno <me@privacy.net> - 2011-12-31 13:51 +0000
Re: How can I reformat a (very) damaged hard disk ? Joseph Terner <jtusenet-nospam@gmx.de> - 2011-12-30 18:15 +0000
Re: How can I reformat a (very) damaged hard disk ? christophe colomb <christophe.colomb@gmail.com> - 2011-12-30 12:38 -0800
Re: How can I reformat a (very) damaged hard disk ? Castor Nageur <guilbert.stabilo@gmail.com> - 2011-12-30 12:41 -0800
Re: How can I reformat a (very) damaged hard disk ? "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2011-12-31 13:04 +1100
Re: How can I reformat a (very) damaged hard disk ? Arno <me@privacy.net> - 2011-12-28 08:00 +0000
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| From | "arno fucker" <af@arnofucker.com> |
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| Date | 2012-01-03 20:06 +1100 |
| Message-ID | <9mfupiFjllU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #2231 |
Arno wrote: >> GMAN <Winniethepooh@100acrewoods.net> wrote: >>> In article <9md8l1FenfU2@mid.individual.net>, Arno <me@privacy.net> >>> wrote: >>>> GMAN <Winniethepooh@100acrewoods.net> wrote: >>>>> In article <9m8i4lFcp5U1@mid.individual.net>, Arno >>>>> <me@privacy.net> wrote: >>>>>> christophe colomb <christophe.colomb@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>> On 30 d?c, 12:52, Arno <m...@privacy.net> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>>> And modern HDDs often have g-sensors, just for this purpose. >>>>>>>> Also know that what you intend to do is fraud and immoral. >>>>>> >>>>>>> I did not want to fraud or being immoral : the drive only fell >>>>>>> from vertical to horizontal position and I just expected that >>>>>>> it was not the cause of the problem. >>>>>> >>>>>> On a hard surface, a few centimeters is quite enough. 300G is not >>>>>> that much. >>>>>> >>>>>> Arno >>>>>> >>>>> It would rip our body apart. >>>> >>>> Depends on the situation entirely. Maybe have a look into >>>> physics 101? You seem to be pretty weak there. >>>> >>>> Arno >>> FUCK you >> >>> Weak is being named after a Muppett!!!! >> >> I am sure this does wonders for your credibility. You never ever had any of that. > <plonk> Bet that will make him curl up and die for sure. > Arno > -- > Arno Wagner, Dr. sc. techn., Dipl. Inform., CISSP -- Email: arno@wagner.name Wota fucking wanker...
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| From | Joseph Terner <jtusenet-nospam@gmx.de> |
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| Date | 2012-01-03 10:14 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <pan.2012.01.03.10.13.58@xylex.homeunix.org> |
| In reply to | #2235 |
Someone wrote: > From: "arno fucker" <af@arnofucker.com> > Message-ID: <9mfupiFjllU1@mid.individual.net> > X-Trace: individual.net g6Pgc3Jd9RPQ81nwf7tWaQXzmnN/jM79x7oj13sltxc5s/Ucg= > X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2670 > > Arno wrote: >>> GMAN <Winniethepooh@100acrewoods.net> wrote: >>>> FUCK you >>> >>>> Weak is being named after a Muppett!!!! >>> >>> I am sure this does wonders for your credibility. > > You never ever had any of that. > >> <plonk> > > Bet that will make him curl up and die for sure. > >> Arno -- >> Arno Wagner, Dr. sc. techn., Dipl. Inform., CISSP -- Email: >> arno@wagner.name > > Wota fucking wanker... You are bound to <http://news.individual.net/rules.php> here, you know? Obey them or you may lose your posting privileges. Joseph
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| From | Winniethepooh@100acrewoods.net (GMAN) |
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| Date | 2012-01-03 17:27 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <kTGMq.260506$sP1.207875@en-nntp-08.dc1.easynews.com> |
| In reply to | #2231 |
In article <9mepfbFh4qU4@mid.individual.net>, Arno <me@privacy.net> wrote: >GMAN <Winniethepooh@100acrewoods.net> wrote: >> In article <9md8l1FenfU2@mid.individual.net>, Arno <me@privacy.net> wrote: >>>GMAN <Winniethepooh@100acrewoods.net> wrote: >>>> In article <9m8i4lFcp5U1@mid.individual.net>, Arno <me@privacy.net> wrote: >>>>>christophe colomb <christophe.colomb@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>> On 30 d?c, 12:52, Arno <m...@privacy.net> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>> And modern HDDs often have g-sensors, just for this purpose. >>>>>>> Also know that what you intend to do is fraud and immoral. >>>>> >>>>>> I did not want to fraud or being immoral : the drive only fell from >>>>>> vertical to horizontal position and I just expected that it was not >>>>>> the cause of the problem. >>>>> >>>>>On a hard surface, a few centimeters is quite enough. 300G is not >>>>>that much. >>>>> >>>>>Arno >>>>> >>>> It would rip our body apart. >>> >>>Depends on the situation entirely. Maybe have a look into >>>physics 101? You seem to be pretty weak there. >>> >>>Arno >> FUCK you > >> Weak is being named after a Muppett!!!! > >I am sure this does wonders for your credibility. <plonk> > >Arno The only one who gives a care about my cred is you.
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| From | Castor Nageur <guilbert.stabilo@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2011-12-30 04:14 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <54e4b42e-9afa-413a-aac0-7207abf97136@t13g2000yqg.googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #2175 |
On 30 déc, 12:52, Arno <m...@privacy.net> wrote: > And modern HDDs often have g-sensors, just for this purpose. > Also know that what you intend to do is fraud and immoral. I did not want to fraud or being immoral. The unit just fell from vertical to horizontal position so I am not sure this is the consequence of my problems. * Is there a way to access to the g-sensors data ? * Does my SMART data reflect a damage due to a g-shock ? If the sensors are OK, I suppose I can send the HDD back to WD. Thanks in advance for helping me.
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| From | Castor Nageur <guilbert.stabilo@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2011-12-30 05:31 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <180969e3-1693-4eb1-9f0d-19440d96519b@cs7g2000vbb.googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #2178 |
On 30 déc, 13:14, Castor Nageur <guilbert.stab...@gmail.com> wrote: > * Is there a way to access to the g-sensors data ? I found that my new Seagate drive has a "g-sense error rate" SMART property so I suppose this is the sensor you were talking about. I deduce that my faulty drive does not have the property so it has no g- sensor.
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| From | Arno <me@privacy.net> |
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| Date | 2011-12-31 13:51 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <9m8iavFcp5U3@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #2179 |
Castor Nageur <guilbert.stabilo@gmail.com> wrote: > On 30 d?c, 13:14, Castor Nageur <guilbert.stab...@gmail.com> wrote: >> * Is there a way to access to the g-sensors data ? > I found that my new Seagate drive has a "g-sense error rate" SMART > property so I suppose this is the sensor you were talking about. I > deduce that my faulty drive does not have the property so it has no g- > sensor. Or none that shows up in the SMART data. It may still have one. I have seen g-force sensors on drives without that SMART attibute. Arno -- Arno Wagner, Dr. sc. techn., Dipl. Inform., CISSP -- Email: arno@wagner.name GnuPG: ID: 1E25338F FP: 0C30 5782 9D93 F785 E79C 0296 797F 6B50 1E25 338F ---- Cuddly UI's are the manifestation of wishful thinking. -- Dylan Evans
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| From | Joseph Terner <jtusenet-nospam@gmx.de> |
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| Date | 2011-12-30 18:15 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <pan.2011.12.30.18.15.12@xylex.homeunix.org> |
| In reply to | #2178 |
On Fri, 30 Dec 2011 04:14:31 -0800, Castor Nageur wrote: > On 30 déc, 12:52, Arno <m...@privacy.net> wrote: > >> And modern HDDs often have g-sensors, just for this purpose. >> Also know that what you intend to do is fraud and immoral. > > I did not want to fraud or being immoral. This is not about morality. Handling damage is just not covered by this sort of limited warranty. This is the reason, why it is called "limited". :-) > The unit just fell from > vertical to horizontal position so I am not sure this is the consequence > of my problems. WD specifies a maximum of 250 G / 2 ms shock non-operating, which is rather low. The standard spec for desktop drives is 350 G and up to 1000 G/ms for notebook drives (all non-operating). So it's quite possible to damage a delicate desktop drive fatally by tipping it over on a hard surface. > * Is there a way to access to the g-sensors data ? > > * Does my SMART data reflect a damage due to a g-shock ? > > If the sensors are OK, I suppose I can send the HDD back to WD. Thanks > in advance for helping me. The sensors may be accessible over the serial port (RS232, not SATA) of the drive. The problem is: Operating a handling damaged drive does more damage inside the drive over time, which is visible to the expert eye after opening. Joseph
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| From | christophe colomb <christophe.colomb@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2011-12-30 12:38 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <967d8b56-3612-4352-add5-266c55ab23f5@z25g2000vbs.googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #2184 |
On 30 déc, 19:15, Joseph Terner <jtusenet-nos...@gmx.de> wrote: > The sensors may be accessible over the serial port (RS232, not SATA) of > the drive. The problem is: Operating a handling damaged drive does more > damage inside the drive over time, which is visible to the expert eye > after opening. Thanks for all this technical information. As I said in my previous post, my recent Seagate Barracuda Green (ST2000DL003-9VT166) has the "g-sense error rate" sensor accessible through the SMART data. According to the sensor name, I suppose it detects read errors due to g-shocks so it won't work when the unit is off. Because I can not be sure of what damaged my drive unit and because it is true that I shocked it, I will not return it. The last reason is I am unable to wipe all my personal data and I do not want to send it to unknown people. I will just go to the shop and buy another disk. Moreover, it seems that HDD prices began decreasing since early December ;-)
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| From | Castor Nageur <guilbert.stabilo@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2011-12-30 12:41 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <0641062f-96b1-4346-8c45-13169ea06875@q11g2000vbq.googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #2184 |
On 30 déc, 19:15, Joseph Terner <jtusenet-nos...@gmx.de> wrote: > The sensors may be accessible over the serial port (RS232, not SATA) of > the drive. The problem is: Operating a handling damaged drive does more > damage inside the drive over time, which is visible to the expert eye > after opening. Thanks for all this technical information. As I said in my previous post, my recent Seagate Barracuda Green (ST2000DL003-9VT166) has the "g-sense error rate" sensor accessible through the SMART data. According to the sensor name, I suppose it detects read errors due to g-shocks so it won't work when the unit is off. Because I can not be sure of what damaged my drive unit and because it is true that I shocked it, I will not return it. The last reason is I am unable to wipe all my personal data and I do not want to send it to unknown people. I will just go to the shop and buy another disk. Moreover, it seems that HDD prices began decreasing since early December ;-)
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| From | "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2011-12-31 13:04 +1100 |
| Message-ID | <9m78tuFi0gU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #2184 |
Joseph Terner wrote > Castor Nageur wrote >> Arno <m...@privacy.net> wrote >>> And modern HDDs often have g-sensors, just for this purpose. >>> Also know that what you intend to do is fraud and immoral. >> I did not want to fraud or being immoral. > This is not about morality. Handling damage is > just not covered by this sort of limited warranty. Thats just plain wrong. > This is the reason, why it is called "limited". :-) Wrong again. >> The unit just fell from vertical to horizontal position so >> I am not sure this is the consequence of my problems. > WD specifies a maximum of 250 G / 2 ms shock non-operating, > which is rather low. The standard spec for desktop drives is 350 G > and up to 1000 G/ms for notebook drives (all non-operating). So it's > quite possible to damage a delicate desktop drive fatally by tipping it > over on a hard surface. Doesnt meet the fit for purpose test. >> * Is there a way to access to the g-sensors data ? >> * Does my SMART data reflect a damage due to a g-shock ? >> If the sensors are OK, I suppose I can send the HDD back to WD. >> Thanks in advance for helping me. > The sensors may be accessible over the serial port (RS232, not SATA) > of the drive. The problem is: Operating a handling damaged drive does > more damage inside the drive over time, which is visible to the > expert eye after opening. Irrelevant to whether its covered by the warranty.
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| From | Arno <me@privacy.net> |
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| Date | 2011-12-28 08:00 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <9m00kqFqjaU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #2160 |
Castor Nageur <guilbert.stabilo@gmail.com> wrote: > Hi all, > On of my 2 TB HDD (formatted in NTFS) felt on the floor (the disk was > off when it felt). > At first, it looked as if the disk was still working fine but after > one month of use, the disk began to fail and I completely lost access > to my data a few days ago. > Thanks to ddrescue (a wonderful Linux recovery tool), I was able to > copy the recoverable data to another brand new 2 TB HDD and thanks to > some data recovery tool, I recovered about 1/3 of my data from the > copy. > (hopefully, all my personnal data was backed up so I only lost GB of > recorded TV shows ;-)) > Actually, it seems that the more I try to read the damaged disk, the > more it becomes unaccessible. > I would like to find a way to reformat it so I can use the undamaged > area of the disk. Forget it. There is no "undamaged" area. Damage due to mechanical shock always is head or bearing damage, affecting the whole device. The defective data is just an indirect effect of that. Arno -- Arno Wagner, Dr. sc. techn., Dipl. Inform., CISSP -- Email: arno@wagner.name GnuPG: ID: 1E25338F FP: 0C30 5782 9D93 F785 E79C 0296 797F 6B50 1E25 338F ---- Cuddly UI's are the manifestation of wishful thinking. -- Dylan Evans
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