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| First post | 2011-09-07 05:19 -0700 |
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printing is sluggish - please help "Adam" <adam@no_thanks.com> - 2011-09-07 05:19 -0700
Re: printing is sluggish - please help The Wizard of Oz <Wizard@EmeraldCity.gov> - 2011-09-07 11:20 -0500
Re: printing is sluggish - please help "Adam" <adam@no_thanks.com> - 2011-09-07 09:51 -0700
Re: printing is sluggish - please help Patok <crazy.div.patok@gmail.com> - 2011-09-07 13:28 -0400
Re: printing is sluggish - please help "Adam" <adam@no_thanks.com> - 2011-09-07 11:20 -0700
Re: printing is sluggish - please help Patok <crazy.div.patok@gmail.com> - 2011-09-07 16:28 -0400
Re: printing is sluggish - please help "Adam" <adam@no_thanks.com> - 2011-09-07 14:55 -0700
Re: printing is sluggish - please help Paul <nospam@needed.com> - 2011-09-07 14:00 -0400
Re: printing is sluggish - please help "Adam" <adam@no_thanks.com> - 2011-09-07 11:32 -0700
Re: printing is sluggish - please help "David H. Lipman" <DLipman~nospam~@Verizon.Net> - 2011-09-07 18:17 -0400
Re: printing is sluggish - please help "Adam" <adam@no_thanks.com> - 2011-09-07 15:31 -0700
Re: printing is sluggish - please help "David H. Lipman" <DLipman~nospam~@Verizon.Net> - 2011-09-07 19:06 -0400
Re: printing is sluggish - please help "Adam" <adam@no_thanks.com> - 2011-09-07 16:32 -0700
Re: printing is sluggish - please help "David H. Lipman" <DLipman~nospam~@Verizon.Net> - 2011-09-07 20:40 -0400
Re: printing is sluggish - please help "Adam" <adam@no_thanks.com> - 2011-09-07 17:59 -0700
Re: printing is sluggish - please help "David H. Lipman" <DLipman~nospam~@Verizon.Net> - 2011-09-07 21:58 -0400
Re: printing is sluggish - please help "Adam" <adam@no_thanks.com> - 2011-09-07 21:30 -0700
Re: printing is sluggish - please help "David H. Lipman" <DLipman~nospam~@Verizon.Net> - 2011-09-08 08:46 -0400
Re: printing is sluggish - please help "Adam" <adam@no_thanks.com> - 2011-09-08 12:32 -0700
Re: printing is sluggish - please help "David H. Lipman" <DLipman~nospam~@Verizon.Net> - 2011-09-08 16:03 -0400
Re: printing is sluggish - please help "Adam" <adam@no_thanks.com> - 2011-09-08 13:46 -0700
Re: printing is sluggish - please help "David H. Lipman" <DLipman~nospam~@Verizon.Net> - 2011-09-08 17:00 -0400
Re: printing is sluggish - please help "Adam" <adam@no_thanks.com> - 2011-09-08 14:18 -0700
Re: printing is sluggish - please help "David H. Lipman" <DLipman~nospam~@Verizon.Net> - 2011-09-08 17:39 -0400
Re: printing is sluggish - please help "Adam" <adam@no_thanks.com> - 2011-09-08 21:53 -0700
Re: printing is sluggish - please help "David H. Lipman" <DLipman~nospam~@Verizon.Net> - 2011-09-08 16:03 -0400
Re: printing is sluggish - please help John John MVP <audetweld@nbnot.nb.ca> - 2011-09-09 07:23 -0300
Re: printing is sluggish - please help "Adam" <adam@no_thanks.com> - 2011-09-09 07:20 -0700
Re: printing is sluggish - please help John John MVP <audetweld@nbnot.nb.ca> - 2011-09-09 12:56 -0300
Re: printing is sluggish - please help "Adam" <adam@no_thanks.com> - 2011-09-09 12:45 -0700
Re: printing is sluggish - please help "Adam" <adam@no_thanks.com> - 2011-09-30 18:54 -0700
Re: printing is sluggish - please help "David H. Lipman" <DLipman~nospam~@Verizon.Net> - 2011-09-30 22:05 -0400
Re: printing is sluggish - please help "Adam" <adam@no_thanks.com> - 2011-09-30 21:06 -0700
Re: printing is sluggish - please help "David H. Lipman" <DLipman~nospam~@Verizon.Net> - 2011-10-01 07:01 -0400
Re: printing is sluggish - please help "Adam" <adam@no_thanks.com> - 2011-10-01 07:29 -0700
Re: printing is sluggish - please help "David H. Lipman" <DLipman~nospam~@Verizon.Net> - 2011-10-01 11:34 -0400
Re: printing is sluggish - please help "Adam" <adam@no_thanks.com> - 2011-10-01 10:31 -0700
Re: printing is sluggish - please help "David H. Lipman" <DLipman~nospam~@Verizon.Net> - 2011-10-01 23:04 -0400
Re: printing is sluggish - please help "Adam" <adam@no_thanks.com> - 2011-10-01 21:36 -0700
Re: printing is sluggish - please help Norman Peelman <npeelmandog@cfl.rr.com> - 2011-10-01 07:12 -0400
Re: printing is sluggish - please help "Adam" <adam@no_thanks.com> - 2011-10-01 07:30 -0700
Re: printing is sluggish - please help Norman Peelman <npeelmandog@cfl.rr.com> - 2011-10-01 17:23 -0400
Re: printing is sluggish - please help "Hot-text" <hot-text.ath.cx@comcast.net> - 2011-10-01 21:32 -0500
Re: printing is sluggish - please help "Adam" <adam@no_thanks.com> - 2011-10-01 22:00 -0700
Re: printing is sluggish - please help "David H. Lipman" <DLipman~nospam~@Verizon.Net> - 2011-10-02 02:08 -0400
Re: printing is sluggish - please help "Adam" <adam@no_thanks.com> - 2011-10-02 00:16 -0700
Re: printing is sluggish - please help "David H. Lipman" <DLipman~nospam~@Verizon.Net> - 2011-10-02 09:03 -0400
Re: printing is sluggish - please help "Adam" <adam@no_thanks.com> - 2011-10-02 14:03 -0700
Re: printing is sluggish - please help "Hot-text" <hot-text.ath.cx@comcast.net> - 2011-10-02 22:09 -0500
Re: printing is sluggish - please help "Elmo P. Shagnasty" <elmop@nastydesigns.com> - 2011-10-01 08:02 -0400
Re: printing is sluggish - please help Paul <nospam@needed.com> - 2011-09-09 11:59 -0400
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| From | "Adam" <adam@no_thanks.com> |
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| Date | 2011-09-07 05:19 -0700 |
| Subject | printing is sluggish - please help |
| Message-ID | <j47q4l$b9i$1@dont-email.me> |
Host OS: Ubuntu 10.04 LTS Guest OS: Windows XP Pro SP3 (via VirtualBox) My laptop prints to a printer connected to a Win98SE desktop on a home network. The print dialog is very sluggish to open (from the guest OS). What is the likely cause of this problem? And, how can it be fixed?
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| From | The Wizard of Oz <Wizard@EmeraldCity.gov> |
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| Date | 2011-09-07 11:20 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <wRM9q.5383$zx2.821@newsfe08.iad> |
| In reply to | #46 |
On 11-09-07 07:19 AM, Adam wrote: > Host OS: Ubuntu 10.04 LTS > Guest OS: Windows XP Pro SP3 (via VirtualBox) > > My laptop prints to a printer connected to > a Win98SE desktop on a home network. > The print dialog is very sluggish to open (from the guest OS). > What is the likely cause of this problem? And, how can it be fixed? > > Presuming this is a new set up rather than one which suddenly became slow... Look at the process. The XP has to create the document and send it to the network. VirtualBox accepts it and sends it to Ubuntu. Ubuntu accepts it and sends it to the network. The router says "I know where this goes" and sends it to your 98 machine which contacts the physical printer and prints it. Each step of the process adds its own delay and bottleneck. The two biggest would be VirtualBox and your LAN (presuming you aren't using gigabit). In addition, XP is not printing a TEXT document. If there are any fonts, colour, or formatting there is a conversion to a graphic format. Since you are running in a virtual machine the corresponding time to convert the information to graphics will go up. As to the print dialogue box... Remember you are running in a virtual machine. Knock the speed of the computer down by at least half. XP (particularly SP3) is the slowest of the three OSs you have. It's not exactly rapid to begin with. Some printer drivers query the printer for ink/toner levels and other information. From my observation, CUPS (the Linux end of things) usually doesn't bother. So XP could be expecting information and not be getting it. The only thing I can suggest is to make sure your XP has enough RAM to play with. As to what is enough... Your guess is as good as mine. Later Mike
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| From | "Adam" <adam@no_thanks.com> |
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| Date | 2011-09-07 09:51 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <j487do$9pt$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #47 |
Thanks, my response is inline. "The Wizard of Oz" <Wizard@EmeraldCity.gov> wrote in message news:wRM9q.5383$zx2.821@newsfe08.iad... > On 11-09-07 07:19 AM, Adam wrote: > > Host OS: Ubuntu 10.04 LTS > > Guest OS: Windows XP Pro SP3 (via VirtualBox) > > > > My laptop prints to a printer connected to > > a Win98SE desktop on a home network. > > The print dialog is very sluggish to open (from the guest OS). > > What is the likely cause of this problem? And, how can it be fixed? > > > > Presuming this is a new set up rather than one which suddenly became > slow... > The latter case is more fitting since it didn't used to be like this. What could have messed things up? My guess is that installing the "HP LaserJet 4100 PCL 5e" drivers from the CD may have messed things up. I'm trying to find instructions on how to properly reinstall the drivers for similar setup. > Look at the process. The XP has to create the document and send it to > the network. VirtualBox accepts it and sends it to Ubuntu. Ubuntu > accepts it and sends it to the network. The router says "I know where > this goes" and sends it to your 98 machine which contacts the physical > printer and prints it. > > Each step of the process adds its own delay and bottleneck. The two > biggest would be VirtualBox and your LAN (presuming you aren't using > gigabit). In addition, XP is not printing a TEXT document. If there are > any fonts, colour, or formatting there is a conversion to a graphic > format. Since you are running in a virtual machine the corresponding > time to convert the information to graphics will go up. > It hasn't even gotten to the printing part yet. The delay is in waiting for the dialog box to open so I can select OK to print. > As to the print dialogue box... Remember you are running in a virtual > machine. Knock the speed of the computer down by at least half. XP > (particularly SP3) is the slowest of the three OSs you have. It's not > exactly rapid to begin with. Some printer drivers query the printer for > ink/toner levels and other information. From my observation, CUPS (the > Linux end of things) usually doesn't bother. So XP could be expecting > information and not be getting it. > > The only thing I can suggest is to make sure your XP has enough RAM to > play with. As to what is enough... Your guess is as good as mine. > > Later > Mike >
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| From | Patok <crazy.div.patok@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2011-09-07 13:28 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <j489l3$ots$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #48 |
Adam wrote: > "The Wizard of Oz" <Wizard@EmeraldCity.gov> wrote in message >> On 11-09-07 07:19 AM, Adam wrote: > >>> Host OS: Ubuntu 10.04 LTS >>> Guest OS: Windows XP Pro SP3 (via VirtualBox) >>> >>> My laptop prints to a printer connected to >>> a Win98SE desktop on a home network. >>> The print dialog is very sluggish to open (from the guest OS). >>> What is the likely cause of this problem? And, how can it be fixed? >>> >> Presuming this is a new set up rather than one which suddenly became >> slow... > > The latter case is more fitting since it didn't used to be like this. > What could have messed things up? My guess is that > installing the "HP LaserJet 4100 PCL 5e" drivers from > the CD may have messed things up. I'm trying to find > instructions on how to properly reinstall the drivers for similar setup. Check the System event log of the XP. Do you see, after the LPDSVC startup information, an error message? The Service Control Manager saying that some service depends on the Parallel arbitrator group and no member of this group started? If yes, it means that the driver you installed thinks that your computer has a parallel port, which it doesn't. Is that the case? > It hasn't even gotten to the printing part yet. The delay is in waiting for > the dialog box to open so I can select OK to print. -- You'd be crazy to e-mail me with the crazy. But leave the div alone. * Whoever bans a book, shall be banished. Whoever burns a book, shall burn.
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| From | "Adam" <adam@no_thanks.com> |
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| Date | 2011-09-07 11:20 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <j48cle$ejq$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #49 |
"Patok" <crazy.div.patok@gmail.com> wrote in message news:j489l3$ots$1@dont-email.me... > Adam wrote: > > "The Wizard of Oz" <Wizard@EmeraldCity.gov> wrote in message > >> On 11-09-07 07:19 AM, Adam wrote: > > > >>> Host OS: Ubuntu 10.04 LTS > >>> Guest OS: Windows XP Pro SP3 (via VirtualBox) > >>> > >>> My laptop prints to a printer connected to > >>> a Win98SE desktop on a home network. > >>> The print dialog is very sluggish to open (from the guest OS). > >>> What is the likely cause of this problem? And, how can it be fixed? > >>> > >> Presuming this is a new set up rather than one which suddenly became > >> slow... > > > > The latter case is more fitting since it didn't used to be like this. > > What could have messed things up? My guess is that > > installing the "HP LaserJet 4100 PCL 5e" drivers from > > the CD may have messed things up. I'm trying to find > > instructions on how to properly reinstall the drivers for similar setup. > > Check the System event log of the XP. Do you see, after the LPDSVC startup > information, an error message? The Service Control Manager saying that some > service depends on the Parallel arbitrator group and no member of this group > started? If yes, it means that the driver you installed thinks that your > computer has a parallel port, which it doesn't. Is that the case? > Thanks, in Event Viewer (eventvwr.msc), since the system started up a week ago, I don't see any event types from Service Control Manager other than "Information". No errors or warnings from Service Control Manager. > > > It hasn't even gotten to the printing part yet. The delay is in waiting for > > the dialog box to open so I can select OK to print. > > > -- > You'd be crazy to e-mail me with the crazy. But leave the div alone. > * > Whoever bans a book, shall be banished. Whoever burns a book, shall burn.
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| From | Patok <crazy.div.patok@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2011-09-07 16:28 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <j48k4p$4kd$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #51 |
Adam wrote: > "Patok" <crazy.div.patok@gmail.com> wrote in message >> Adam wrote: >>> "The Wizard of Oz" <Wizard@EmeraldCity.gov> wrote in message >>>> On 11-09-07 07:19 AM, Adam wrote: >>>>> Host OS: Ubuntu 10.04 LTS >>>>> Guest OS: Windows XP Pro SP3 (via VirtualBox) >>>>> >>>>> My laptop prints to a printer connected to >>>>> a Win98SE desktop on a home network. >>>>> The print dialog is very sluggish to open (from the guest OS). >>>>> What is the likely cause of this problem? And, how can it be fixed? >>>>> >>>> Presuming this is a new set up rather than one which suddenly became >>>> slow... >>> The latter case is more fitting since it didn't used to be like this. >>> What could have messed things up? My guess is that >>> installing the "HP LaserJet 4100 PCL 5e" drivers from >>> the CD may have messed things up. I'm trying to find >>> instructions on how to properly reinstall the drivers for similar setup. >> Check the System event log of the XP. Do you see, after the LPDSVC startup >> information, an error message? The Service Control Manager saying that some >> service depends on the Parallel arbitrator group and no member of this group >> started? If yes, it means that the driver you installed thinks that your >> computer has a parallel port, which it doesn't. Is that the case? >> > > Thanks, in Event Viewer (eventvwr.msc), since the system started up a week ago, > I don't see any event types from Service Control Manager other than > "Information". No errors or warnings from Service Control Manager. Just to clarify - if this was the case, it would happen only once - at boot time. Right after the LPDSVC started. Afterwards there would be no other error messages, no matter how long the system stayed on. It was a nice try. :) I had the same symptoms you do - about a 30 second delay from clicking the "print" button until the dialog appeared - and that was the reason in my case. Sorry I couldn't help. -- You'd be crazy to e-mail me with the crazy. But leave the div alone. * Whoever bans a book, shall be banished. Whoever burns a book, shall burn.
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| From | "Adam" <adam@no_thanks.com> |
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| Date | 2011-09-07 14:55 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <j48pgd$9l3$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #53 |
"Patok" <crazy.div.patok@gmail.com> wrote in message news:j48k4p$4kd$1@dont-email.me... > Adam wrote: > > "Patok" <crazy.div.patok@gmail.com> wrote in message > >> Adam wrote: > >>> "The Wizard of Oz" <Wizard@EmeraldCity.gov> wrote in message > >>>> On 11-09-07 07:19 AM, Adam wrote: > >>>>> Host OS: Ubuntu 10.04 LTS > >>>>> Guest OS: Windows XP Pro SP3 (via VirtualBox) > >>>>> > >>>>> My laptop prints to a printer connected to > >>>>> a Win98SE desktop on a home network. > >>>>> The print dialog is very sluggish to open (from the guest OS). > >>>>> What is the likely cause of this problem? And, how can it be fixed? > >>>>> > >>>> Presuming this is a new set up rather than one which suddenly became > >>>> slow... > >>> The latter case is more fitting since it didn't used to be like this. > >>> What could have messed things up? My guess is that > >>> installing the "HP LaserJet 4100 PCL 5e" drivers from > >>> the CD may have messed things up. I'm trying to find > >>> instructions on how to properly reinstall the drivers for similar setup. > >> Check the System event log of the XP. Do you see, after the LPDSVC startup > >> information, an error message? The Service Control Manager saying that some > >> service depends on the Parallel arbitrator group and no member of this group > >> started? If yes, it means that the driver you installed thinks that your > >> computer has a parallel port, which it doesn't. Is that the case? > >> > > > > Thanks, in Event Viewer (eventvwr.msc), since the system started up a week ago, > > I don't see any event types from Service Control Manager other than > > "Information". No errors or warnings from Service Control Manager. > > Just to clarify - if this was the case, it would happen only once - at boot > time. Right after the LPDSVC started. Afterwards there would be no other error > messages, no matter how long the system stayed on. > It was a nice try. :) I had the same symptoms you do - about a 30 second > delay from clicking the "print" button until the dialog appeared - and that was > the reason in my case. Sorry I couldn't help. > > -- > You'd be crazy to e-mail me with the crazy. But leave the div alone. > * > Whoever bans a book, shall be banished. Whoever burns a book, shall burn. Thanks for trying.
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| From | Paul <nospam@needed.com> |
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| Date | 2011-09-07 14:00 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <j48bgg$6np$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #46 |
Adam wrote:
> Host OS: Ubuntu 10.04 LTS
> Guest OS: Windows XP Pro SP3 (via VirtualBox)
>
> My laptop prints to a printer connected to
> a Win98SE desktop on a home network.
> The print dialog is very sluggish to open (from the guest OS).
> What is the likely cause of this problem? And, how can it be fixed?
>
>
The protocols involved in files shares and printing, are
pretty complicated. The length of this article, and the
lack of details, show how many versions there are, and
the need to map from one scheme to another, in a
heterogeneous network.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Server_Message_Block
In my small experience using virtual machines (more than one on
the same PC), I find that the "discovery" phase, sucks. I've had
cases where one VM, simply refuses to find a share on a second VM,
necessitating shutting both down and rebooting them.
So if I was approaching the problem, I'd look for a solution that
avoided discovery as much as possible. I've found for shares, that
if I use an IP address for the share machine, I get there a lot faster.
This page details setting up a printer having an IP address.
I don't know if this will solve your problem, but it might
help avoid discovery.
http://uis.georgetown.edu/software/documentation/winxp/winxp.network.printer.html
To make that work in the future, you're probably going to need some
usage of static IP addresses. Perhaps the Win98 machine can be
changed from DHCP over to static, then once the static IP address
is known, then set up printer details in WinXP ?
Just a guess,
Paul
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| From | "Adam" <adam@no_thanks.com> |
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| Date | 2011-09-07 11:32 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <j48dbm$jer$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #50 |
"Paul" <nospam@needed.com> wrote in message news:j48bgg$6np$1@dont-email.me... > Adam wrote: > > Host OS: Ubuntu 10.04 LTS > > Guest OS: Windows XP Pro SP3 (via VirtualBox) > > > > My laptop prints to a printer connected to > > a Win98SE desktop on a home network. > > The print dialog is very sluggish to open (from the guest OS). > > What is the likely cause of this problem? And, how can it be fixed? > > > > The protocols involved in files shares and printing, are > pretty complicated. The length of this article, and the > lack of details, show how many versions there are, and > the need to map from one scheme to another, in a > heterogeneous network. > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Server_Message_Block > > In my small experience using virtual machines (more than one on > the same PC), I find that the "discovery" phase, sucks. I've had > cases where one VM, simply refuses to find a share on a second VM, > necessitating shutting both down and rebooting them. > > So if I was approaching the problem, I'd look for a solution that > avoided discovery as much as possible. I've found for shares, that > if I use an IP address for the share machine, I get there a lot faster. > > This page details setting up a printer having an IP address. > I don't know if this will solve your problem, but it might > help avoid discovery. > > http://uis.georgetown.edu/software/documentation/winxp/winxp.network.printer.htm l > > To make that work in the future, you're probably going to need some > usage of static IP addresses. Perhaps the Win98 machine can be > changed from DHCP over to static, then once the static IP address > is known, then set up printer details in WinXP ? > > Just a guess, > Paul Thanks (Guru Paul), I'll have to look into giving the Win98SE desktop a static IP address as soon as possible.
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| From | "David H. Lipman" <DLipman~nospam~@Verizon.Net> |
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| Date | 2011-09-07 18:17 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <j48qi601bhb@news2.newsguy.com> |
| In reply to | #46 |
From: "Adam" <adam@no_thanks.com> > Host OS: Ubuntu 10.04 LTS > Guest OS: Windows XP Pro SP3 (via VirtualBox) > > My laptop prints to a printer connected to > a Win98SE desktop on a home network. > The print dialog is very sluggish to open (from the guest OS). > What is the likely cause of this problem? And, how can it be fixed? > After reviewing this thread... I suggest putting the printer on a Print Server and printing directly to it via TCP/IP and not via Win9x Print Share. -- Dave Multi-AV Scanning Tool - http://multi-av.thespykiller.co.uk http://www.pctipp.ch/downloads/dl/35905.asp
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| From | "Adam" <adam@no_thanks.com> |
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| Date | 2011-09-07 15:31 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <j48rbt$kvq$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #55 |
"David H. Lipman" <DLipman~nospam~@Verizon.Net> wrote in message news:j48qi601bhb@news2.newsguy.com... > From: "Adam" <adam@no_thanks.com> > > > Host OS: Ubuntu 10.04 LTS > > Guest OS: Windows XP Pro SP3 (via VirtualBox) > > > > My laptop prints to a printer connected to > > a Win98SE desktop on a home network. > > The print dialog is very sluggish to open (from the guest OS). > > What is the likely cause of this problem? And, how can it be fixed? > > > > After reviewing this thread... > > I suggest putting the printer on a Print Server and printing directly to it via TCP/IP and > not via Win9x Print Share. > > > -- > Dave > Multi-AV Scanning Tool - http://multi-av.thespykiller.co.uk > http://www.pctipp.ch/downloads/dl/35905.asp > Thanks, I'll have to look into the best way to setup a Print Server for my case as well. Things like ... what type of system, OS, etc. Sounds like fun. :-)
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| From | "David H. Lipman" <DLipman~nospam~@Verizon.Net> |
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| Date | 2011-09-07 19:06 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <j48tcv0247t@news4.newsguy.com> |
| In reply to | #56 |
From: "Adam" <adam@no_thanks.com> >> >> After reviewing this thread... >> >> I suggest putting the printer on a Print Server and printing directly to it via TCP/IP >> and >> not via Win9x Print Share. >> >> > Thanks, I'll have to look into the best way to > setup a Print Server for my case as well. > Things like ... what type of system, OS, etc. > Sounds like fun. :-) A Print Server is a standalone appliance that connects directly to the printer (parallel or USB) and via Ethernet, Bluetooth or WiFi to your network. There is no OS to speak of. Once the IP address is set on the Print Server appliance, you point any OS to print to its IP address. Usually a good Print Server can use; DLC, Appletalk, TCP/IP and IPX/SPX protocols. -- Dave Multi-AV Scanning Tool - http://multi-av.thespykiller.co.uk http://www.pctipp.ch/downloads/dl/35905.asp
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| From | "Adam" <adam@no_thanks.com> |
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| Date | 2011-09-07 16:32 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <j48uud$evj$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #57 |
"David H. Lipman" <DLipman~nospam~@Verizon.Net> wrote in message news:j48tcv0247t@news4.newsguy.com... > From: "Adam" <adam@no_thanks.com> > > >> > >> After reviewing this thread... > >> > >> I suggest putting the printer on a Print Server and printing directly to it via TCP/IP > >> and > >> not via Win9x Print Share. > >> > >> > > Thanks, I'll have to look into the best way to > > setup a Print Server for my case as well. > > Things like ... what type of system, OS, etc. > > Sounds like fun. :-) > > A Print Server is a standalone appliance that connects directly to the printer (parallel > or USB) and via Ethernet, Bluetooth or WiFi to your network. There is no OS to speak of. > > Once the IP address is set on the Print Server appliance, you point any OS to print to its > IP address. Usually a good Print Server can use; DLC, Appletalk, TCP/IP and IPX/SPX > protocols. > > -- > Dave > Multi-AV Scanning Tool - http://multi-av.thespykiller.co.uk > http://www.pctipp.ch/downloads/dl/35905.asp > Thanks (Guru Dave), I found some good info here ... How to set up a print server: http://www.theblog.ca/print-server-how-to Looks like Option #3 best suits my case since my router (Linksys BEFSR41) does not have a built-in print server, I think. Will give it a try as soon as I get a chance.
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| From | "David H. Lipman" <DLipman~nospam~@Verizon.Net> |
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| Date | 2011-09-07 20:40 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <j492ui01h9a@news2.newsguy.com> |
| In reply to | #58 |
From: "Adam" <adam@no_thanks.com> > > Thanks (Guru Dave), I found some good info here ... > > How to set up a print server: > http://www.theblog.ca/print-server-how-to > > Looks like Option #3 best suits my case since > my router (Linksys BEFSR41) does not have a built-in print server, I think. > Will give it a try as soon as I get a chance. > That is not a good source. Here is a Wiki on HP JetDirect devices... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/JetDirect http://www.amazon.com/D-Link-DP-300U-100TX-2-Parallel-Server/dp/B00008UA9I http://www.amazon.com/Jetdirect-300X-1PAR-Print-Server/dp/B000EVOPHY CSCO wireless to USB http://homestore.cisco.com/en-us/printserver/linksys-WPSM54G-Wirelessg_stcVVproductId53934612VVcatId552009VVviewprod.htm Here is a Linksys with an Ethernet switch and print server http://www.amazon.com/Cisco-Linksys-PSUS4-PrintServer-Port-Switch/dp/B0000DF2LT Linksys Wireless to USB http://www.amazon.com/Cisco-Linksys-WPS54GU2-Wireless-G-Print-Server/dp/B0000E658Q -- Dave Multi-AV Scanning Tool - http://multi-av.thespykiller.co.uk http://www.pctipp.ch/downloads/dl/35905.asp
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| From | "Adam" <adam@no_thanks.com> |
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| Date | 2011-09-07 17:59 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <j494a6$a9q$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #59 |
"David H. Lipman" <DLipman~nospam~@Verizon.Net> wrote in message news:j492ui01h9a@news2.newsguy.com... > From: "Adam" <adam@no_thanks.com> > > > > > Thanks (Guru Dave), I found some good info here ... > > > > How to set up a print server: > > http://www.theblog.ca/print-server-how-to > > > > Looks like Option #3 best suits my case since > > my router (Linksys BEFSR41) does not have a built-in print server, I think. > > Will give it a try as soon as I get a chance. > > > > That is not a good source. > > Here is a Wiki on HP JetDirect devices... > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/JetDirect > > http://www.amazon.com/D-Link-DP-300U-100TX-2-Parallel-Server/dp/B00008UA9I > > http://www.amazon.com/Jetdirect-300X-1PAR-Print-Server/dp/B000EVOPHY > > CSCO wireless to USB > http://homestore.cisco.com/en-us/printserver/linksys-WPSM54G-Wirelessg_stcVVprod uctId53934612VVcatId552009VVviewprod.htm > > Here is a Linksys with an Ethernet switch and print server > http://www.amazon.com/Cisco-Linksys-PSUS4-PrintServer-Port-Switch/dp/B0000DF2LT > > Linksys Wireless to USB > http://www.amazon.com/Cisco-Linksys-WPS54GU2-Wireless-G-Print-Server/dp/B0000E65 8Q > > > > -- > Dave > Multi-AV Scanning Tool - http://multi-av.thespykiller.co.uk > http://www.pctipp.ch/downloads/dl/35905.asp > > I have the HP JetDirect 610N, which I need to setup/configure. http://ec1.images-amazon.com/media/i3d/01/A/man-migrate/MANUAL000039870.pdf http://computing.geology.ucdavis.edu/printers/hp/jetdirect/HP%20JetDirect%20610N _ag.pdf The router is not detecting it right now.
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| From | "David H. Lipman" <DLipman~nospam~@Verizon.Net> |
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| Date | 2011-09-07 21:58 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <j497go01ll4@news2.newsguy.com> |
| In reply to | #60 |
From: "Adam" <adam@no_thanks.com> > > The router is not detecting it right now. > The router is not detecting "what" it right now? -- Dave Multi-AV Scanning Tool - http://multi-av.thespykiller.co.uk http://www.pctipp.ch/downloads/dl/35905.asp
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| From | "Adam" <adam@no_thanks.com> |
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| Date | 2011-09-07 21:30 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <j49gd6$43h$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #61 |
"David H. Lipman" <DLipman~nospam~@Verizon.Net> wrote in message news:j497go01ll4@news2.newsguy.com... > From: "Adam" <adam@no_thanks.com> > > > > > The router is not detecting it right now. > > > > The router is not detecting "what" it right now? > > > -- > Dave > Multi-AV Scanning Tool - http://multi-av.thespykiller.co.uk > http://www.pctipp.ch/downloads/dl/35905.asp > > Sorry, this is my first attempt at setting up a print server so putting the pieces together is not smooth sailing. The "it" refers to the print server (JetDirect). According to ... http://www.theblog.ca/print-server-how-to "First, you will need to find the IP address of the printer... If you are using a network-capable printer (option #3), log in to your router and find the printer in the “DHCP” or “Client list” or similar page. If your router has a “static IP” feature, where you can assign fixed internal IP addresses to MAC addresses, be sure to use that so that the printer always has the same IP address." Turns out the router is not detecting the print server because JetDirect is not even showing up in the Printer Configuration Page when performing Step 5 according to ... http://ec1.images-amazon.com/media/i3d/01/A/man-migrate/MANUAL000039870.pdf So, JetDirect is not operating properly.
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| From | "David H. Lipman" <DLipman~nospam~@Verizon.Net> |
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| Date | 2011-09-08 08:46 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <j4adei01ead@news6.newsguy.com> |
| In reply to | #62 |
From: "Adam" <adam@no_thanks.com> > Sorry, this is my first attempt at setting up a print server so > putting the pieces together is not smooth sailing. > > The "it" refers to the print server (JetDirect). > > According to ... http://www.theblog.ca/print-server-how-to > > "First, you will need to find the IP address of the printer... > If you are using a network-capable printer (option #3), log in to > your router and find the printer in the “DHCP” or “Client list” or similar page. > If your router has a “static IP” feature, > where you can assign fixed internal IP addresses to MAC addresses, > be sure to use that so that the printer always has the same IP address." > > Turns out the router is not detecting the print server because > JetDirect is not even showing up in the Printer Configuration Page when > performing Step 5 according to ... > > http://ec1.images-amazon.com/media/i3d/01/A/man-migrate/MANUAL000039870.pdf > > So, JetDirect is not operating properly. > What model HP JetDirect ? The objective is to hold down the reset button for ~30 secs. while the JetDirect is connected to the network. This will cause the JetDirect to forget any settings and to subsequently initiate a DHCP call. Once it has an IP address you can go into the Router's DHCP table and determine the IP address which was assigned. Then you can Telnet or HTTP into the IP address and statically set the IP to to one you want and set anything else you prefer. Once completed you can then setup clients to print to it. -- Dave Multi-AV Scanning Tool - http://multi-av.thespykiller.co.uk http://www.pctipp.ch/downloads/dl/35905.asp
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| From | "Adam" <adam@no_thanks.com> |
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| Date | 2011-09-08 12:32 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <j4b5ar$b4n$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #63 |
"David H. Lipman" <DLipman~nospam~@Verizon.Net> wrote in message news:j4adei01ead@news6.newsguy.com... > From: "Adam" <adam@no_thanks.com> > > > Sorry, this is my first attempt at setting up a print server so > > putting the pieces together is not smooth sailing. > > > > The "it" refers to the print server (JetDirect). > > > > According to ... http://www.theblog.ca/print-server-how-to > > > > "First, you will need to find the IP address of the printer... > > If you are using a network-capable printer (option #3), log in to > > your router and find the printer in the “DHCP” or “Client list” or similar page. > > If your router has a “static IP” feature, > > where you can assign fixed internal IP addresses to MAC addresses, > > be sure to use that so that the printer always has the same IP address." > > > > Turns out the router is not detecting the print server because > > JetDirect is not even showing up in the Printer Configuration Page when > > performing Step 5 according to ... > > > > http://ec1.images-amazon.com/media/i3d/01/A/man-migrate/MANUAL000039870.pdf > > > > So, JetDirect is not operating properly. > > > > What model HP JetDirect ? > > The objective is to hold down the reset button for ~30 secs. while the JetDirect is > connected to the network. This will cause the JetDirect to forget any settings and to > subsequently initiate a DHCP call. Once it has an IP address you can go into the Router's > DHCP table and determine the IP address which was assigned. Then you can Telnet or HTTP > into the IP address and statically set the IP to one you want and set anything else you > prefer. Once completed you can then setup clients to print to it. > > > -- > Dave > Multi-AV Scanning Tool - http://multi-av.thespykiller.co.uk > http://www.pctipp.ch/downloads/dl/35905.asp > > Thanks, the Configuration Page that came with the printer says it's an HP JetDirect J6057A. But, I have not been able to print a Configuration Page showing the JetDirect card. Even after a cold reset power on, both EIO 1 & 2 are "Empty".
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| From | "David H. Lipman" <DLipman~nospam~@Verizon.Net> |
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| Date | 2011-09-08 16:03 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <j4b71l03ag@news2.newsguy.com> |
| In reply to | #65 |
From: "Adam" <adam@no_thanks.com> > > "David H. Lipman" <DLipman~nospam~@Verizon.Net> wrote in message > news:j4adei01ead@news6.newsguy.com... >> From: "Adam" <adam@no_thanks.com> >> >>> Sorry, this is my first attempt at setting up a print server so >>> putting the pieces together is not smooth sailing. >>> >>> The "it" refers to the print server (JetDirect). >>> >>> According to ... http://www.theblog.ca/print-server-how-to >>> >>> "First, you will need to find the IP address of the printer... >>> If you are using a network-capable printer (option #3), log in to >>> your router and find the printer in the “DHCP” or “Client list” or similar > page. >>> If your router has a “static IP” feature, >>> where you can assign fixed internal IP addresses to MAC addresses, >>> be sure to use that so that the printer always has the same IP address." >>> >>> Turns out the router is not detecting the print server because >>> JetDirect is not even showing up in the Printer Configuration Page when >>> performing Step 5 according to ... >>> >>> http://ec1.images-amazon.com/media/i3d/01/A/man-migrate/MANUAL000039870.pdf >>> >>> So, JetDirect is not operating properly. >>> >> >> What model HP JetDirect ? >> >> The objective is to hold down the reset button for ~30 secs. while the > JetDirect is >> connected to the network. This will cause the JetDirect to forget any > settings and to >> subsequently initiate a DHCP call. Once it has an IP address you can go into > the Router's >> DHCP table and determine the IP address which was assigned. Then you can > Telnet or HTTP >> into the IP address and statically set the IP to one you want and set anything > else you >> prefer. Once completed you can then setup clients to print to it. >> >> > > Thanks, the Configuration Page that came with the printer says > it's an HP JetDirect J6057A. But, I have not been able to > print a Configuration Page showing the JetDirect card. > Even after a cold reset power on, both EIO 1 & 2 are "Empty". > OK. The directions I gave you more or less is for an External JetDirect. You have an EIO card, 615N So when you go to the printers LCD control panel to configure EIO, you can't manually set the TCP/IP information. That's indicative of a bad EIO card. Please check again by entering the LCD control panel and try find the EIO sub-menu. When you go through the menu it should be listed. -- Dave Multi-AV Scanning Tool - http://multi-av.thespykiller.co.uk http://www.pctipp.ch/downloads/dl/35905.asp
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