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  How many Muslim programmers are working for Google and US tech companies? "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2017-01-30 18:48 +0800
    Re: How many Muslim programmers are working for Google and US tech companies? "David B." <DavidB@nomail.afraid.invalid> - 2017-01-30 11:45 +0000
      Re: How many Muslim programmers are working for Google and US tech companies? "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2017-01-30 21:21 +0800
        Re: How many Muslim programmers are working for Google and US tech companies? "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2017-01-30 21:23 +0800
        Re: How many Muslim programmers are working for Google and US tech companies? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2017-01-30 14:39 +0100
          Re: How many Muslim programmers are working for Google and US tech companies? "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2017-01-30 21:42 +0800
          Re: How many Muslim programmers are working for Google and US tech companies? Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2017-01-30 13:49 +0000
            Re: How many Muslim programmers are working for Google and US tech companies? "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2017-01-30 21:58 +0800
            Re: How many Muslim programmers are working for Google and US tech companies? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2017-01-30 15:34 +0100
              [OT] "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2017-01-30 22:41 +0800
                Re: [OT] David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2017-01-30 16:03 +0100
                  Re: [OT] "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2017-01-30 23:33 +0800
            Re: How many Muslim programmers are working for Google and US tech companies? Kaz Kylheku <221-501-9011@kylheku.com> - 2017-01-30 16:34 +0000
              Re: How many Muslim programmers are working for Google and US tech companies? "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2017-01-31 00:44 +0800
          Re: How many Muslim programmers are working for Google and US tech companies? Wally W. <ww84wa@aim.com> - 2017-01-30 09:11 -0500
            Re: How many Muslim programmers are working for Google and US tech companies? "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2017-01-30 22:18 +0800
              Re: How many Muslim programmers are working for Google and US tech companies? Diesel <me@privacy.net> - 2017-01-31 02:31 +0000
                Re: How many Muslim programmers are working for Google and US tech companies? "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2017-01-31 23:09 +0800
                  Re: How many Muslim programmers are working for Google and US tech companies? Diesel <me@privacy.net> - 2017-02-03 11:50 +0000
                    Re: How many Muslim programmers are working for Google and US tech companies? "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2017-02-03 20:14 +0800
                      Re: How many Muslim programmers are working for Google and US tech companies? Diesel <me@privacy.net> - 2017-02-04 11:05 +0000
                        Re: How many Muslim programmers are working for Google and US tech companies? "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2017-02-04 19:55 +0800
                          Re: How many Muslim programmers are working for Google and US tech companies? Diesel <me@privacy.net> - 2017-02-04 12:43 +0000
                            Re: How many Muslim programmers are working for Google and US tech companies? "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2017-02-04 20:54 +0800
            Re: How many Muslim programmers are working for Google and US tech companies? Shadow <Sh@dow.br> - 2017-01-30 12:35 -0200
              [OT] "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2017-01-30 22:43 +0800
              Re: US education "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2017-01-30 22:48 +0800
            Re: How many Muslim programmers are working for Google and US tech companies? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2017-01-30 16:01 +0100
              Re: How many Muslim programmers are working for Google and US tech companies? burfordTjustice <burfordTjustice@tues.uk> - 2017-01-30 10:09 -0500
                Re: How many Muslim programmers are working for Google and US tech companies? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2017-01-30 16:12 +0100
                  Re: How many Muslim programmers are working for Google and US tech companies? burfordTjustice <burfordTjustice@tues.uk> - 2017-01-30 10:27 -0500
                  Re: How many Muslim programmers are working for Google and US tech companies? Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2017-01-30 15:29 +0000
                    rjh@cpax.org.uk burfordTjustice <burfordTjustice@tues.uk> - 2017-01-30 10:31 -0500
                      Re: rjh@cpax.org.uk Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2017-01-30 15:33 +0000
                        Re: rjh@cpax.org.uk burfordTjustice <burfordTjustice@tues.uk> - 2017-01-30 10:35 -0500
                    Re: How many Muslim programmers are working for Google and US tech companies? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2017-01-31 13:03 +0100
          Re: How many Muslim programmers are working for Google and US tech companies? burfordTjustice <burfordTjustice@tues.uk> - 2017-01-30 09:23 -0500
            Re: What exactly is Muslim? "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2017-01-30 22:49 +0800
              Re: What exactly is Muslim? Diesel <me@privacy.net> - 2017-01-31 02:31 +0000
                Re: What exactly is Muslim? Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2017-01-31 07:53 +0000
                  Re: What exactly is Muslim? Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2017-01-31 08:01 +0000
                  Re: What exactly is Muslim? Diesel <me@privacy.net> - 2017-01-31 12:24 +0000
                    Re: What exactly is Muslim? Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2017-01-31 13:34 +0000
            Re: How many Muslim programmers are working for Google and US tech companies? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2017-01-30 16:09 +0100
              Re: How many Muslim programmers are working for Google and US tech companies? Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2017-01-30 15:26 +0000
              Re: How many Muslim programmers are working for Google and US tech companies? burfordTjustice <burfordTjustice@tues.uk> - 2017-01-30 10:27 -0500
              Re: Do Muslim and Islamic practice incest? "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2017-01-30 23:49 +0800
            Re: How many Muslim programmers are working for Google and US tech companies? Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2017-01-30 15:32 +0000
              Re: How many Muslim programmers are working for Google and US tech companies? "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2017-01-30 23:57 +0800
                Re: How many Muslim programmers are working for Google and US tech companies? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2017-01-31 13:07 +0100
          Re: How many Muslim programmers are working for Google and US tech companies? Kaz Kylheku <221-501-9011@kylheku.com> - 2017-01-30 16:32 +0000
            Re: How many Muslim programmers are working for Google and US tech companies? "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2017-01-31 00:35 +0800
          Re: How many Muslim programmers are working for Google and US tech companies? Diesel <me@privacy.net> - 2017-01-31 02:31 +0000
            Re: How many Muslim programmers are working for Google and US tech companies? "p-0''0-h the cat (coder)" <super.pooh@fluffyunderbelly.invalid> - 2017-01-31 10:01 +0000
              Re: How many Muslim programmers are working for Google and US tech companies? Diesel <me@privacy.net> - 2017-01-31 12:24 +0000
                Re: How many Muslim programmers are working for Google and US tech companies? "p-0''0-h the cat (coder)" <super.pooh@fluffyunderbelly.invalid> - 2017-01-31 12:36 +0000
                  Re: How many Muslim programmers are working for Google and US tech companies? Diesel <me@privacy.net> - 2017-02-03 11:50 +0000
                    Re: How many Muslim programmers are working for Google and US tech companies? Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2017-02-03 12:09 +0000
                      Re: How many Muslim programmers are working for Google and US tech companies? Diesel <me@privacy.net> - 2017-02-04 02:39 +0000
                        Re: How many Muslim programmers are working for Google and US tech companies? Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2017-02-04 02:47 +0000
                          Re: How many Muslim programmers are working for Google and US tech companies? Diesel <me@privacy.net> - 2017-02-04 11:05 +0000
                    Re: How many Muslim programmers are working for Google and US tech companies? "p-0''0-h the cat (coder)" <super.pooh@fluffyunderbelly.invalid> - 2017-02-03 14:11 +0000
                Re: How many Muslim programmers are working for Google and US tech companies? burfordTjustice <burfordTjustice@tues.uk> - 2017-01-31 08:13 -0500
    How many Jew programmers are working for Google and US tech companies? Topaz <mars1933@hotmail.com> - 2017-01-30 15:25 -0600
    How many Jew programmers are working for Google and US tech companies? Topaz <mars1933@hotmail.com> - 2017-01-30 15:26 -0600
    Re: How many Muslim programmers are working for Google and US tech companies? "K Wills (Shill #3)" <compuelf@gmail.com> - 2017-01-31 04:37 -0600
      Re: How many Muslim programmers are working for Google and US tech companies? "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2017-01-31 23:15 +0800
        Re: How many Muslim programmers are working for Google and US tech companies? "K Wills (Shill #3)" <compuelf@gmail.com> - 2017-02-01 04:18 -0600
          Re: How many Muslim programmers are working for Google and US tech companies? "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2017-02-01 19:37 +0800
            Re: How many Muslim programmers are working for Google and US tech companies? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2017-02-01 14:13 +0100
              Re: How many Muslim programmers are working for Google and US tech companies? "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2017-02-01 21:26 +0800
                Re: How many Muslim programmers are working for Google and US tech companies? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2017-02-01 16:39 +0100
                  Re: How many Muslim programmers are working for Google and US tech companies? "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2017-02-02 01:04 +0800
                    Re: How many Muslim programmers are working for Google and US tech companies? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2017-02-02 11:32 +0100
                      Re: How many Muslim programmers are working for Google and US tech companies? "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2017-02-02 19:18 +0800
                        Re: [OT]How many Muslim programmers are working for Google and US tech companies? Shadow <Sh@dow.br> - 2017-02-02 12:51 -0200
                Re: How many Muslim programmers are working for Google and US tech companies? "K Wills (Shill #3)" <compuelf@gmail.com> - 2017-02-02 03:37 -0600
                Re: How many Muslim programmers are working for Google and US tech companies? Shadow <Sh@dow.br> - 2017-02-02 11:32 -0200
                Re: [OT]How many Muslim programmers are working for Google and US tech companies? Shadow <Sh@dow.br> - 2017-02-02 12:45 -0200
                  Re: [OT]How many Muslim programmers are working for Google and US tech companies? burfordTjustice <burfordTjustice@tues.uk> - 2017-02-02 14:57 -0500
                    Re: [OT] They are all Indians... one face, one voice? "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2017-02-03 23:01 +0800
            Re: How many Muslim programmers are working for Google and US tech companies? "K Wills (Shill #3)" <compuelf@gmail.com> - 2017-02-02 03:37 -0600
              Re: How many Muslim programmers are working for Google and US tech companies? "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2017-02-02 18:25 +0800
                Re: How many Muslim programmers are working for Google and US tech companies? "K Wills (Shill #3)" <compuelf@gmail.com> - 2017-02-02 04:56 -0600
                  Re: How many Muslim programmers are working for Google and US tech companies? "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2017-02-02 19:20 +0800
                    Re: How many Muslim programmers are working for Google and US tech companies? "K Wills (Shill #3)" <compuelf@gmail.com> - 2017-02-03 04:18 -0600
                      Re: How many Muslim programmers are working for Google and US tech companies? "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2017-02-03 18:51 +0800
                        Re: How many Muslim programmers are working for Google and US tech companies? "K Wills (Shill #3)" <compuelf@gmail.com> - 2017-02-04 04:01 -0600
                          Re: How many Muslim programmers are working for Google and US tech companies? "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2017-02-04 18:25 +0800
                            Re: How many Muslim programmers are working for Google and US tech companies? "K Wills (Shill #3)" <compuelf@gmail.com> - 2017-02-04 17:33 -0600

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#7444

"Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> news:o71s3j$des$1@dont-
email.me Fri, 03 Feb 2017 12:14:21 GMT in alt.comp.freeware, wrote:

> On 2/3/2017 7:50 PM, Diesel wrote:
>>
>> So you're writing from your arse, essentially.
>>
>> True for business applications? Only business applications? What
>> experience writing code do you personally have?
> 
> It's not difficult to find out more about me via internet. Not sure 
> about you.

I haven't tried to find out more about you via the internet. And, I 
tend to take things with a bit more than a grain of salt when it 
comes to reading it on the internet. As far as being unsure about me, 
heh, You clearly haven't got the foggiest idea who I am, despite the 
arguments I tend to have with some of my fanbase. ROFL. Some things 
really are easier to hide right under a persons nose, in plain sight.

> How many programs have you ever written then? You don't seem to
> know much about programming languages.

How many programs altogether, or, specific purpose? I've been writing 
code since I was a kiddo, so...I wouldn't even try to take a guess. 
Let's just say alot. In various languages - ranging from logos to 
assembler. 

Some of my programs have articles written about them. Ranging from 
reviews with awards to technical information concerning it's specific 
functions.

You can find some of my legit code stuff at the url below. I do 
caution you, it's very old stuff, isn't supported and may not even 
natively run on the OS you're using. If you've been a reader of 
alt.comp.freeware since the mid 90s, you might have seen some of 
these programs reviews posted here. They typically won four out of 
five stars on zdnet and they would have gotten all five, had the 
documentation been more professional. 

I'd submit them for review and publication to a wider audience. Most 
of them have also been published on those shareware/freeware mass 
distribution cdroms that BBS operators once purchased to increase the 
files available to their users. 

http://bughunter.it-mate.co.uk/core/

The last application I wrote in house, from scratch and supported for 
three years that was made available to the public was this:

http://bughunter.it-mate.co.uk/

And there's an entirely seperate class of programs. ranging from 
cracks/keygens to executable file infecting viruses. Not word macros, 
rofl, no, these were the real thing. A few families of them are 
viruses AND worms.

In other words, you're barking up the wrong tree and your comment 
isn't based on fact, rather, it's fiction.




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#7445

On 4/02/2017 7:05 PM, Diesel wrote:
> How many programs altogether, or, specific purpose? I've been writing
> code since I was a kiddo, so...I wouldn't even try to take a guess.
> Let's just say alot. In various languages - ranging from logos to
> assembler.
>
> Some of my programs have articles written about them. Ranging from
> reviews with awards to technical information concerning it's specific
> functions.
> ....
> In other words, you're barking up the wrong tree and your comment
> isn't based on fact, rather, it's fiction.

Are you trained by your family to become a programmer? Not me.

How many other programming languages have you ever experienced other 
than the one you used to write your malware scanner?

It's easy to bully others over internet.

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#7446

"Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com>
news:o74fbl$il8$1@dont-email.me Sat, 04 Feb 2017 11:55:11 GMT in
alt.comp.freeware, wrote: 

> On 4/02/2017 7:05 PM, Diesel wrote:
>> How many programs altogether, or, specific purpose? I've been
>> writing code since I was a kiddo, so...I wouldn't even try to
>> take a guess. Let's just say alot. In various languages - ranging
>> from logos to assembler.
>>
>> Some of my programs have articles written about them. Ranging
>> from reviews with awards to technical information concerning it's
>> specific functions.
>> ....
>> In other words, you're barking up the wrong tree and your comment
>> isn't based on fact, rather, it's fiction.
> 
> Are you trained by your family to become a programmer? Not me.

No.
 
> How many other programming languages have you ever experienced
> other than the one you used to write your malware scanner?


The malware scanner uses assembler and a much lesser known language.
 
C,C++,C--,delphi,pascal,assembler,fortran,cobol,logos,various 
dialects of basic,various script languages. Would be hard to put an 
exact number on it...
 
> It's easy to bully others over internet.

I'm not bullying anyone.
 



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#7447

On 4/02/2017 8:43 PM, Diesel wrote:
>
> The malware scanner uses assembler and a much lesser known language.
>
> C,C++,C--,delphi,pascal,assembler,fortran,cobol,logos,various
> dialects of basic,various script languages. Would be hard to put an
> exact number on it...

Did you notice that the way commands and functions work are a little bit 
different from each other in various programming languages? Their syntax 
and semantics are also different though they are all in English.

That's what I wanna say.

>> It's easy to bully others over internet.
>
> I'm not bullying anyone.

Programming is still translation of human languages into high-level 
languages, then compiled into lower level languages, then computer 
instructions. Algorithms might not be a computer program itself. They 
could be some workflow (e.g. accounting, form filling, ...) or 
mathematics (e.g. Fourier Transform in MP3 encoding and decoding).

BTW, read your reply again and tell me whether it smelled like bullying. :)

<begin quote>
You're an idiot. Unless you're porting a program from one language to
another, you aren't really doing much language translation when you
write software, unless you're using a very very broad brush to claim
that the act of writing a program to have the computer perform a
specific task is simply a matter of translating our language to it's
own? Quite a stretch if that's what your thinking. Incidently,
programmers tend to write a lot of algorithms in the process of
developing whatever application their writing.
</end quote>

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#7357

On Mon, 30 Jan 2017 09:11:08 -0500, Wally W. <ww84wa@aim.com> wrote:

>Why do you think US education isn't turning out first-class
>programmers?

	You mean Americans actually have an education ?
	WOW. Stunning !!!
	And yet Trump got voted in. And the alternative was Clinton
.... WOW. again !!!!
	Not a single candidate representing the working/middle class,
, IOW, > 90% of the population.
	That's hedukation for you.
	[]'s

OT groups removed. The OP (A Chinese drop-out) deliberately spams
groups with psychotic drivel about black magic, witches, Japanese
cartoon super-heroes, ISIS and other childish stuff. He believes the
Internet is a conspiracy to eat his brain. All 5 grams of it.
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#7359 — [OT]

On 1/30/2017 10:35 PM, Shadow wrote:
 >
> OT groups removed. The OP (A Chinese drop-out) deliberately spams
> groups with psychotic drivel about black magic, witches, Japanese
> cartoon super-heroes, ISIS and other childish stuff. He believes the
> Internet is a conspiracy to eat his brain. All 5 grams of it.

I just wish Windows$ and Office had no Muslim Trojan codes. :)

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#7360 — Re: US education

On 1/30/2017 10:35 PM, Shadow wrote:
> 	You mean Americans actually have an education ?
> 	WOW. Stunning !!!
> 	And yet Trump got voted in. And the alternative was Clinton
> .... WOW. again !!!!
> 	Not a single candidate representing the working/middle class,
> , IOW, > 90% of the population.
> 	That's hedukation for you.
> 	[]'s
>
> OT groups removed. The OP (A Chinese drop-out) deliberately
 > spams....

I still believe US has a proper education system. But then, to quote 
you, there are always "drop-outs" from even the best schools. There are 
also graduates who betrayed what they were taught for personal interests 
and ambitions.

Could we treat ISIS as drop-outs from Muslim and Islam belief? ;)


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#7362

On 30/01/17 15:11, Wally W. wrote:
> On Mon, 30 Jan 2017 14:39:55 +0100, David Brown wrote:
> 
>> On 30/01/17 14:21, Mr. Man-wai Chang wrote:
>>> On 1/30/2017 7:45 PM, David B. wrote:
>>>>
>>>> No, there's no need for panic.
>>>>
>>>> Please define 'we'.
>>>
>>> You never knew whether these Mulism programmers secretly inserted and
>>> planted dangerous stuff into the software we are using .... :)
>>>
>>
>> Why would someone's religion have any influence on that?
>>
>> The "danger" is that some short-sighted bigoted half-wit will stop
>> programmers getting into the USA to do their jobs, and thus companies
>> like Google won't be able to get the best employees to do the work.
> 
> You seem to assume the best programmers are not in the USA.

No, I merely assume that Mr. Man-wai Chang is either a troll or a
complete moron.  I haven't quite figured out which - if there is a
difference.

And I also assume that when Google is worried about some 100 of their
programmers that will not get into the USA, it is because they think
they are good programmers - that's why they hired them.

That does not mean that those are the /best/ 100 programmers, merely
that they are some of the best that Google was able to find.

> 
> If your assumption is valid, are you willing to cede yet another
> industry to "foreigners?"

I am not American, nor do I live there or have any intention of visiting
(Bush's "War on Tourism" was quite successful).  America did not invent
computers or programming, though Americans have played a major and vital
part in the process, and there is a great deal of programming done in
the rest of the world already.

Part of what made America the centre for programming is that it has
collected key people from all over the world (indeed, that applies to
most aspects of what made America "great").  Relatively few "great
programmers" are going to be affected directly by the current
restrictions - but other potential immigrants are going to worry about
who will be next, and some will boycott the USA in principle.  And the
same applies to other industries, especially in the sciences.

> 
> Why do you think US education isn't turning out first-class
> programmers?

I don't know much about the US education system.  But I do know that
America imports significant "brain power" in a programming and a wide
range of other fields, including from these banned countries.  To get
their visas, an American company employing them has to show that the
"foreigner" is a better candidate than anyone available locally.

> 
> If it isn't, do you favor a permanent condition where the best
> programmers are not in the USA?

There are a lot of good programmers in the USA.  But I see no reason to
suspect that the /best/ programmers are currently in the USA.  And yes,
I favour a condition where most people are able to do the best work they
can in their particular fields without feeling they have to emigrate (to
the USA or anywhere else) to do so - while it should still be /possible/
for people to move if they want to.  The world would be a far better
place if smart people were able to do their work in their own countries.

> 
> 
>> But feel free to panic if you want - you can run around spouting
>> whatever daft thoughts come into the empty space between your ears.
>> It's not likely to make your posts any less rational.
> 

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#7364

On Mon, 30 Jan 2017 16:01:05 +0100
David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> wrote:

> I am not American, nor do I live there


Then your opinion means nothing..
move along, son.

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#7366

On 30/01/17 16:09, burfordTjustice wrote:
> On Mon, 30 Jan 2017 16:01:05 +0100
> David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> wrote:
> 
>> I am not American, nor do I live there
> 
> 
> Then your opinion means nothing..
> move along, son.
> 

I think you will find that all three newsgroups here (of which
"alt.conspiracy" is the only topical one) are international.

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#7369

On Mon, 30 Jan 2017 16:12:35 +0100
David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> wrote:

> On 30/01/17 16:09, burfordTjustice wrote:
> > On Mon, 30 Jan 2017 16:01:05 +0100
> > David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> wrote:
> > 
> >> I am not American, nor do I live there
> > 
> > 
> > Then your opinion means nothing..
> > move along, son.
> > 
> 
> I think you will find that all three newsgroups here (of which
> "alt.conspiracy" is the only topical one) are international.
> 
> 
On Mon, 30 Jan 2017 16:01:05 +0100
David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> wrote:

> I am not American, nor do I live there  


Then your opinion means nothing..
move along, son.

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#7370

On 30/01/17 15:12, David Brown wrote:
> On 30/01/17 16:09, burfordTjustice wrote:
>> On Mon, 30 Jan 2017 16:01:05 +0100
>> David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> wrote:
>>
>>> I am not American, nor do I live there
>>
>>
>> Then your opinion means nothing..
>> move along, son.
>>
>
> I think you will find that all three newsgroups here (of which
> "alt.conspiracy" is the only topical one) are international.

I think you will find that you are communicating with someone who thinks 
Paris is in Texas.

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Email: rjh at cpax dot org dot uk
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#7371 — rjh@cpax.org.uk

On Mon, 30 Jan 2017 15:29:40 +0000
Richard Heathfield <

rjh@cpax.org.uk

 wrote:

> Paris is in Texas.

You are an odd one.

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#7374 — Re: rjh@cpax.org.uk

On 30/01/17 15:31, burfordTjustice wrote:
> On Mon, 30 Jan 2017 15:29:40 +0000
> Richard Heathfield <
>
> rjh@cpax.org.uk
>
>  wrote:
>
>> Paris is in Texas.

That's a misquotation.

> You are an odd one.

If "odd" means "doesn't think the same way burfordTjustice thinks", 
that's quite a compliment. Thanks.

-- 
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Email: rjh at cpax dot org dot uk
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#7375 — Re: rjh@cpax.org.uk

On Mon, 30 Jan 2017 15:33:38 +0000
Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> wrote:

> On 30/01/17 15:31, burfordTjustice wrote:
> > On Mon, 30 Jan 2017 15:29:40 +0000
> > Richard Heathfield <
> >
> > rjh@cpax.org.uk
> >
> >  wrote:
> >
> >> Paris is in Texas.
> 
> That's a misquotation.
> 
> > You are an odd one.
> 
> If "odd" means "doesn't think the same way burfordTjustice thinks", 
> that's quite a compliment. Thanks.
> 

Stay on the porch, sonny jim.

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#7391

On 30/01/17 16:29, Richard Heathfield wrote:
> On 30/01/17 15:12, David Brown wrote:
>> On 30/01/17 16:09, burfordTjustice wrote:
>>> On Mon, 30 Jan 2017 16:01:05 +0100
>>> David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I am not American, nor do I live there
>>>
>>>
>>> Then your opinion means nothing..
>>> move along, son.
>>>
>>
>> I think you will find that all three newsgroups here (of which
>> "alt.conspiracy" is the only topical one) are international.
> 
> I think you will find that you are communicating with someone who thinks
> Paris is in Texas.
> 

I think you are giving him too much credit - the only "Paris" he is
likely to know about it is famous for her sex tapes.

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#7355

On Mon, 30 Jan 2017 14:39:55 +0100
David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> wrote:

> On 30/01/17 14:21, Mr. Man-wai Chang wrote:
> > On 1/30/2017 7:45 PM, David B. wrote:
> >>
> >> No, there's no need for panic.
> >>
> >> Please define 'we'.
> > 
> > You never knew whether these Mulism programmers secretly inserted
> > and planted dangerous stuff into the software we are using .... :)
> > 
> 
> Why would someone's religion have any influence on that?
> 
> The "danger" is that some short-sighted bigoted half-wit will stop
> programmers getting into the USA to do their jobs, and thus companies
> like Google won't be able to get the best employees to do the work.
> 
> But feel free to panic if you want - you can run around spouting
> whatever daft thoughts come into the empty space between your ears.
> It's not likely to make your posts any less rational.
> 

muslim is not a religion. So that pretty much
makes you "short-sighted bigoted half-wit"

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#7361 — Re: What exactly is Muslim?

On 1/30/2017 10:23 PM, burfordTjustice wrote:
>
> muslim is not a religion. So that pretty much
> makes you "short-sighted bigoted half-wit"

Then what is it? Military doctrine?

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#7384 — Re: What exactly is Muslim?

"Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> news:o6njmc$kle$2@dont-
email.me Mon, 30 Jan 2017 14:49:24 GMT in alt.comp.freeware, wrote:

> On 1/30/2017 10:23 PM, burfordTjustice wrote:
>>
>> muslim is not a religion. So that pretty much
>> makes you "short-sighted bigoted half-wit"
> 
> Then what is it? Military doctrine?
> 

ROFL. BTJ is right. Muslim isn't a religion. It's a person who follows 
a religion known as Islam. 

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/Muslim


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#7387 — Re: What exactly is Muslim?

On 31/01/17 02:31, Diesel wrote:
> "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> news:o6njmc$kle$2@dont-
> email.me Mon, 30 Jan 2017 14:49:24 GMT in alt.comp.freeware, wrote:
>
>> On 1/30/2017 10:23 PM, burfordTjustice wrote:
>>>
>>> muslim is not a religion. So that pretty much
>>> makes you "short-sighted bigoted half-wit"
>>
>> Then what is it? Military doctrine?
>>
>
> ROFL. BTJ is right.

His claim (that "muslim is not a religion") is correct, but nobody was 
making that claim. Mr burfordTjustice set up a straw-man so that he 
could knock it down.

> Muslim isn't a religion. It's a person who follows
> a religion known as Islam.

That has already been pointed out in this thread.

-- 
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Email: rjh at cpax dot org dot uk
"Usenet is a strange place" - dmr 29 July 1999
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