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| From | David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> |
|---|---|
| Newsgroups | alt.conspiracy, comp.programming, alt.comp.freeware |
| Subject | Re: How many Muslim programmers are working for Google and US tech companies? |
| Date | 2017-01-30 16:01 +0100 |
| Organization | A noiseless patient Spider |
| Message-ID | <o6nkcb$ng0$1@dont-email.me> (permalink) |
| References | <o6n5j1$vtu$1@dont-email.me> <uHFjA.170034$ED.164527@fx29.fr7> <o6nehe$ai$1@dont-email.me> <o6nfk5$4p2$1@dont-email.me> <blhu8ct0m57559ft6t04ne9rra0g4qinqq@4ax.com> |
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On 30/01/17 15:11, Wally W. wrote: > On Mon, 30 Jan 2017 14:39:55 +0100, David Brown wrote: > >> On 30/01/17 14:21, Mr. Man-wai Chang wrote: >>> On 1/30/2017 7:45 PM, David B. wrote: >>>> >>>> No, there's no need for panic. >>>> >>>> Please define 'we'. >>> >>> You never knew whether these Mulism programmers secretly inserted and >>> planted dangerous stuff into the software we are using .... :) >>> >> >> Why would someone's religion have any influence on that? >> >> The "danger" is that some short-sighted bigoted half-wit will stop >> programmers getting into the USA to do their jobs, and thus companies >> like Google won't be able to get the best employees to do the work. > > You seem to assume the best programmers are not in the USA. No, I merely assume that Mr. Man-wai Chang is either a troll or a complete moron. I haven't quite figured out which - if there is a difference. And I also assume that when Google is worried about some 100 of their programmers that will not get into the USA, it is because they think they are good programmers - that's why they hired them. That does not mean that those are the /best/ 100 programmers, merely that they are some of the best that Google was able to find. > > If your assumption is valid, are you willing to cede yet another > industry to "foreigners?" I am not American, nor do I live there or have any intention of visiting (Bush's "War on Tourism" was quite successful). America did not invent computers or programming, though Americans have played a major and vital part in the process, and there is a great deal of programming done in the rest of the world already. Part of what made America the centre for programming is that it has collected key people from all over the world (indeed, that applies to most aspects of what made America "great"). Relatively few "great programmers" are going to be affected directly by the current restrictions - but other potential immigrants are going to worry about who will be next, and some will boycott the USA in principle. And the same applies to other industries, especially in the sciences. > > Why do you think US education isn't turning out first-class > programmers? I don't know much about the US education system. But I do know that America imports significant "brain power" in a programming and a wide range of other fields, including from these banned countries. To get their visas, an American company employing them has to show that the "foreigner" is a better candidate than anyone available locally. > > If it isn't, do you favor a permanent condition where the best > programmers are not in the USA? There are a lot of good programmers in the USA. But I see no reason to suspect that the /best/ programmers are currently in the USA. And yes, I favour a condition where most people are able to do the best work they can in their particular fields without feeling they have to emigrate (to the USA or anywhere else) to do so - while it should still be /possible/ for people to move if they want to. The world would be a far better place if smart people were able to do their work in their own countries. > > >> But feel free to panic if you want - you can run around spouting >> whatever daft thoughts come into the empty space between your ears. >> It's not likely to make your posts any less rational. >
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How many Muslim programmers are working for Google and US tech companies? "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2017-01-30 18:48 +0800
Re: How many Muslim programmers are working for Google and US tech companies? "David B." <DavidB@nomail.afraid.invalid> - 2017-01-30 11:45 +0000
Re: How many Muslim programmers are working for Google and US tech companies? "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2017-01-30 21:21 +0800
Re: How many Muslim programmers are working for Google and US tech companies? "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2017-01-30 21:23 +0800
Re: How many Muslim programmers are working for Google and US tech companies? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2017-01-30 14:39 +0100
Re: How many Muslim programmers are working for Google and US tech companies? "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2017-01-30 21:42 +0800
Re: How many Muslim programmers are working for Google and US tech companies? Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2017-01-30 13:49 +0000
Re: How many Muslim programmers are working for Google and US tech companies? "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2017-01-30 21:58 +0800
Re: How many Muslim programmers are working for Google and US tech companies? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2017-01-30 15:34 +0100
[OT] "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2017-01-30 22:41 +0800
Re: [OT] David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2017-01-30 16:03 +0100
Re: [OT] "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2017-01-30 23:33 +0800
Re: How many Muslim programmers are working for Google and US tech companies? Kaz Kylheku <221-501-9011@kylheku.com> - 2017-01-30 16:34 +0000
Re: How many Muslim programmers are working for Google and US tech companies? "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2017-01-31 00:44 +0800
Re: How many Muslim programmers are working for Google and US tech companies? Wally W. <ww84wa@aim.com> - 2017-01-30 09:11 -0500
Re: How many Muslim programmers are working for Google and US tech companies? "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2017-01-30 22:18 +0800
Re: How many Muslim programmers are working for Google and US tech companies? Diesel <me@privacy.net> - 2017-01-31 02:31 +0000
Re: How many Muslim programmers are working for Google and US tech companies? "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2017-01-31 23:09 +0800
Re: How many Muslim programmers are working for Google and US tech companies? Diesel <me@privacy.net> - 2017-02-03 11:50 +0000
Re: How many Muslim programmers are working for Google and US tech companies? "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2017-02-03 20:14 +0800
Re: How many Muslim programmers are working for Google and US tech companies? Diesel <me@privacy.net> - 2017-02-04 11:05 +0000
Re: How many Muslim programmers are working for Google and US tech companies? "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2017-02-04 19:55 +0800
Re: How many Muslim programmers are working for Google and US tech companies? Diesel <me@privacy.net> - 2017-02-04 12:43 +0000
Re: How many Muslim programmers are working for Google and US tech companies? "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2017-02-04 20:54 +0800
Re: How many Muslim programmers are working for Google and US tech companies? Shadow <Sh@dow.br> - 2017-01-30 12:35 -0200
[OT] "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2017-01-30 22:43 +0800
Re: US education "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2017-01-30 22:48 +0800
Re: How many Muslim programmers are working for Google and US tech companies? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2017-01-30 16:01 +0100
Re: How many Muslim programmers are working for Google and US tech companies? burfordTjustice <burfordTjustice@tues.uk> - 2017-01-30 10:09 -0500
Re: How many Muslim programmers are working for Google and US tech companies? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2017-01-30 16:12 +0100
Re: How many Muslim programmers are working for Google and US tech companies? burfordTjustice <burfordTjustice@tues.uk> - 2017-01-30 10:27 -0500
Re: How many Muslim programmers are working for Google and US tech companies? Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2017-01-30 15:29 +0000
rjh@cpax.org.uk burfordTjustice <burfordTjustice@tues.uk> - 2017-01-30 10:31 -0500
Re: rjh@cpax.org.uk Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2017-01-30 15:33 +0000
Re: rjh@cpax.org.uk burfordTjustice <burfordTjustice@tues.uk> - 2017-01-30 10:35 -0500
Re: How many Muslim programmers are working for Google and US tech companies? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2017-01-31 13:03 +0100
Re: How many Muslim programmers are working for Google and US tech companies? burfordTjustice <burfordTjustice@tues.uk> - 2017-01-30 09:23 -0500
Re: What exactly is Muslim? "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2017-01-30 22:49 +0800
Re: What exactly is Muslim? Diesel <me@privacy.net> - 2017-01-31 02:31 +0000
Re: What exactly is Muslim? Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2017-01-31 07:53 +0000
Re: What exactly is Muslim? Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2017-01-31 08:01 +0000
Re: What exactly is Muslim? Diesel <me@privacy.net> - 2017-01-31 12:24 +0000
Re: What exactly is Muslim? Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2017-01-31 13:34 +0000
Re: How many Muslim programmers are working for Google and US tech companies? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2017-01-30 16:09 +0100
Re: How many Muslim programmers are working for Google and US tech companies? Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2017-01-30 15:26 +0000
Re: How many Muslim programmers are working for Google and US tech companies? burfordTjustice <burfordTjustice@tues.uk> - 2017-01-30 10:27 -0500
Re: Do Muslim and Islamic practice incest? "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2017-01-30 23:49 +0800
Re: How many Muslim programmers are working for Google and US tech companies? Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2017-01-30 15:32 +0000
Re: How many Muslim programmers are working for Google and US tech companies? "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2017-01-30 23:57 +0800
Re: How many Muslim programmers are working for Google and US tech companies? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2017-01-31 13:07 +0100
Re: How many Muslim programmers are working for Google and US tech companies? Kaz Kylheku <221-501-9011@kylheku.com> - 2017-01-30 16:32 +0000
Re: How many Muslim programmers are working for Google and US tech companies? "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2017-01-31 00:35 +0800
Re: How many Muslim programmers are working for Google and US tech companies? Diesel <me@privacy.net> - 2017-01-31 02:31 +0000
Re: How many Muslim programmers are working for Google and US tech companies? "p-0''0-h the cat (coder)" <super.pooh@fluffyunderbelly.invalid> - 2017-01-31 10:01 +0000
Re: How many Muslim programmers are working for Google and US tech companies? Diesel <me@privacy.net> - 2017-01-31 12:24 +0000
Re: How many Muslim programmers are working for Google and US tech companies? "p-0''0-h the cat (coder)" <super.pooh@fluffyunderbelly.invalid> - 2017-01-31 12:36 +0000
Re: How many Muslim programmers are working for Google and US tech companies? Diesel <me@privacy.net> - 2017-02-03 11:50 +0000
Re: How many Muslim programmers are working for Google and US tech companies? Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2017-02-03 12:09 +0000
Re: How many Muslim programmers are working for Google and US tech companies? Diesel <me@privacy.net> - 2017-02-04 02:39 +0000
Re: How many Muslim programmers are working for Google and US tech companies? Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2017-02-04 02:47 +0000
Re: How many Muslim programmers are working for Google and US tech companies? Diesel <me@privacy.net> - 2017-02-04 11:05 +0000
Re: How many Muslim programmers are working for Google and US tech companies? "p-0''0-h the cat (coder)" <super.pooh@fluffyunderbelly.invalid> - 2017-02-03 14:11 +0000
Re: How many Muslim programmers are working for Google and US tech companies? burfordTjustice <burfordTjustice@tues.uk> - 2017-01-31 08:13 -0500
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Re: How many Muslim programmers are working for Google and US tech companies? "K Wills (Shill #3)" <compuelf@gmail.com> - 2017-01-31 04:37 -0600
Re: How many Muslim programmers are working for Google and US tech companies? "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2017-01-31 23:15 +0800
Re: How many Muslim programmers are working for Google and US tech companies? "K Wills (Shill #3)" <compuelf@gmail.com> - 2017-02-01 04:18 -0600
Re: How many Muslim programmers are working for Google and US tech companies? "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2017-02-01 19:37 +0800
Re: How many Muslim programmers are working for Google and US tech companies? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2017-02-01 14:13 +0100
Re: How many Muslim programmers are working for Google and US tech companies? "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2017-02-01 21:26 +0800
Re: How many Muslim programmers are working for Google and US tech companies? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2017-02-01 16:39 +0100
Re: How many Muslim programmers are working for Google and US tech companies? "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2017-02-02 01:04 +0800
Re: How many Muslim programmers are working for Google and US tech companies? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2017-02-02 11:32 +0100
Re: How many Muslim programmers are working for Google and US tech companies? "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2017-02-02 19:18 +0800
Re: [OT]How many Muslim programmers are working for Google and US tech companies? Shadow <Sh@dow.br> - 2017-02-02 12:51 -0200
Re: How many Muslim programmers are working for Google and US tech companies? "K Wills (Shill #3)" <compuelf@gmail.com> - 2017-02-02 03:37 -0600
Re: How many Muslim programmers are working for Google and US tech companies? Shadow <Sh@dow.br> - 2017-02-02 11:32 -0200
Re: [OT]How many Muslim programmers are working for Google and US tech companies? Shadow <Sh@dow.br> - 2017-02-02 12:45 -0200
Re: [OT]How many Muslim programmers are working for Google and US tech companies? burfordTjustice <burfordTjustice@tues.uk> - 2017-02-02 14:57 -0500
Re: [OT] They are all Indians... one face, one voice? "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2017-02-03 23:01 +0800
Re: How many Muslim programmers are working for Google and US tech companies? "K Wills (Shill #3)" <compuelf@gmail.com> - 2017-02-02 03:37 -0600
Re: How many Muslim programmers are working for Google and US tech companies? "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2017-02-02 18:25 +0800
Re: How many Muslim programmers are working for Google and US tech companies? "K Wills (Shill #3)" <compuelf@gmail.com> - 2017-02-02 04:56 -0600
Re: How many Muslim programmers are working for Google and US tech companies? "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2017-02-02 19:20 +0800
Re: How many Muslim programmers are working for Google and US tech companies? "K Wills (Shill #3)" <compuelf@gmail.com> - 2017-02-03 04:18 -0600
Re: How many Muslim programmers are working for Google and US tech companies? "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2017-02-03 18:51 +0800
Re: How many Muslim programmers are working for Google and US tech companies? "K Wills (Shill #3)" <compuelf@gmail.com> - 2017-02-04 04:01 -0600
Re: How many Muslim programmers are working for Google and US tech companies? "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2017-02-04 18:25 +0800
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