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Re: How many Muslim programmers are working for Google and US tech companies?

From David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no>
Newsgroups alt.conspiracy, comp.programming, alt.comp.freeware
Subject Re: How many Muslim programmers are working for Google and US tech companies?
Date 2017-01-30 16:01 +0100
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On 30/01/17 15:11, Wally W. wrote:
> On Mon, 30 Jan 2017 14:39:55 +0100, David Brown wrote:
> 
>> On 30/01/17 14:21, Mr. Man-wai Chang wrote:
>>> On 1/30/2017 7:45 PM, David B. wrote:
>>>>
>>>> No, there's no need for panic.
>>>>
>>>> Please define 'we'.
>>>
>>> You never knew whether these Mulism programmers secretly inserted and
>>> planted dangerous stuff into the software we are using .... :)
>>>
>>
>> Why would someone's religion have any influence on that?
>>
>> The "danger" is that some short-sighted bigoted half-wit will stop
>> programmers getting into the USA to do their jobs, and thus companies
>> like Google won't be able to get the best employees to do the work.
> 
> You seem to assume the best programmers are not in the USA.

No, I merely assume that Mr. Man-wai Chang is either a troll or a
complete moron.  I haven't quite figured out which - if there is a
difference.

And I also assume that when Google is worried about some 100 of their
programmers that will not get into the USA, it is because they think
they are good programmers - that's why they hired them.

That does not mean that those are the /best/ 100 programmers, merely
that they are some of the best that Google was able to find.

> 
> If your assumption is valid, are you willing to cede yet another
> industry to "foreigners?"

I am not American, nor do I live there or have any intention of visiting
(Bush's "War on Tourism" was quite successful).  America did not invent
computers or programming, though Americans have played a major and vital
part in the process, and there is a great deal of programming done in
the rest of the world already.

Part of what made America the centre for programming is that it has
collected key people from all over the world (indeed, that applies to
most aspects of what made America "great").  Relatively few "great
programmers" are going to be affected directly by the current
restrictions - but other potential immigrants are going to worry about
who will be next, and some will boycott the USA in principle.  And the
same applies to other industries, especially in the sciences.

> 
> Why do you think US education isn't turning out first-class
> programmers?

I don't know much about the US education system.  But I do know that
America imports significant "brain power" in a programming and a wide
range of other fields, including from these banned countries.  To get
their visas, an American company employing them has to show that the
"foreigner" is a better candidate than anyone available locally.

> 
> If it isn't, do you favor a permanent condition where the best
> programmers are not in the USA?

There are a lot of good programmers in the USA.  But I see no reason to
suspect that the /best/ programmers are currently in the USA.  And yes,
I favour a condition where most people are able to do the best work they
can in their particular fields without feeling they have to emigrate (to
the USA or anywhere else) to do so - while it should still be /possible/
for people to move if they want to.  The world would be a far better
place if smart people were able to do their work in their own countries.

> 
> 
>> But feel free to panic if you want - you can run around spouting
>> whatever daft thoughts come into the empty space between your ears.
>> It's not likely to make your posts any less rational.
> 

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How many Muslim programmers are working for Google and US tech companies? "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2017-01-30 18:48 +0800
  Re: How many Muslim programmers are working for Google and US tech companies? "David B." <DavidB@nomail.afraid.invalid> - 2017-01-30 11:45 +0000
    Re: How many Muslim programmers are working for Google and US tech companies? "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2017-01-30 21:21 +0800
      Re: How many Muslim programmers are working for Google and US tech companies? "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2017-01-30 21:23 +0800
      Re: How many Muslim programmers are working for Google and US tech companies? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2017-01-30 14:39 +0100
        Re: How many Muslim programmers are working for Google and US tech companies? "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2017-01-30 21:42 +0800
        Re: How many Muslim programmers are working for Google and US tech companies? Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2017-01-30 13:49 +0000
          Re: How many Muslim programmers are working for Google and US tech companies? "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2017-01-30 21:58 +0800
          Re: How many Muslim programmers are working for Google and US tech companies? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2017-01-30 15:34 +0100
            [OT] "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2017-01-30 22:41 +0800
              Re: [OT] David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2017-01-30 16:03 +0100
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        Re: How many Muslim programmers are working for Google and US tech companies? "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2017-02-01 19:37 +0800
          Re: How many Muslim programmers are working for Google and US tech companies? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2017-02-01 14:13 +0100
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